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>> kayleigh: the high profile and emotional trial of the illegal immigrant charged with the murder of laken riley just wrapped for a break. venezuelan migrant jose vargas charged with killing the 22-year-old laken riley while she was jogging on the university of georgia campus fear that was back in february of this year. in its opening statement they say that ibarra went "hunting for females," and that laken riley fought for her life and what was described as a long interaction. the defense is arguing that the evidence is all circumstantial. pretty powerful. we will lay it all out for you. hello, everyone. this is 21. i'm kayleigh mcenany. this is my cohost, harris faulkner. and we also have kennedy, tomi lahren, and cohost of "verdict with ted cruz" podcast and a host of the "ben ferguson

podcast," ben ferguson. we began in athens, georgia, where madison scarpino has the latest on the case. madison. >> hello, kayleigh. we just heard from the third room made of laken riley. she was very emotional at times during her testimony, but before that, we heard from the u ga police officer who found laken riley's body outside of the inner mural seals on the campus. they played the body cam video where he was clearly distressed, performing cpr. but in opening statements, the prosecution said ibarra went "hunting for a woman." and that when she refused to be his rape victim, he bashed her skull in with a rock repeatedly. >> the evidence will show that laken fought. she fought for her life. she thought for her dignity.

in that fight, she caused this man to leave forensic evidence behind. scratches on his arm, wrists, scratches on the back of his neck. scratches on his hands. >> just some of the disturbing details we are hearing today. prosecutors say based on evidence, their interaction was long before she died. again, she put up a fight. prosecution says they know this thanks to modern day technology, like her watch and the app on my iphone. also showing the surveillance video of ibarra throwing a jacket in a dumpster that investigators say have riley's blood and hair on it. her family was understandably sobbing during much of this. but ibarra's defense says that evidence linking ibarra to the crime is lacking. it is the judge who will decide ibarra's fate, not a jury.

here is an explanation of why the defense wanted to do that. >> if we have a jury trial in this case with the hope and trust that, despite the nature of this evidence, that you could come to a verdict that was not just a way of easing this family suffering. but it was based on an impartial juror, an honest assessment of the evidence in this case. >> ibarra's defense goes on to say that they were no injuries consistent with sexual assault and that the dna evidence in this case just is not strong enough. the death penalty is not on the table in this case, but if the judge convicts ibarra, he's facing life in prison without the possibility of parole. we are going to be listening in all day long and we will keep you updated. back to you. >> kayleigh: thank you very much.

keep us updated. this is chilling. hard to watch. and i am going to take us through what we learned today. the details after the viewer discretion. if you have small children, you may want to take them out of the room. it is hard to hear. it's emotional. i want to start at the beginning of this sad story. it begins at 9:03 when laken riley goes for a run. she was running seven minute miles, this beautiful nursing student, but just minutes later, she made this call. listen. anemic 911. [indistinct] >> kayleigh: the call lasted just over a minute. at the 552nd mark, you hear what appears to be a voice and the call disconnects.

>> harris: more than 17 minutes she fought for her life. that's what we found out. you know, i looked over my shoulder in a minute ago, and i know this is not part of the story, but it's part of our story as america. i am seeing so called major media outlets not on this right now. i got into what i do as a young journalist to give voice to the voiceless and the people who have been quieted the most. she's silent today. it is our job to cover this, and by the way, the american people voted on this issue among the things that were most important to them. their voices will be silenced if those blue city leaders push against the incoming border czar, tom homan, and the president-elect, donald trump, on this issue. wow. 27 family members heard what we heard, but they saw it too. they were weeping in that courtroom, kayleigh. the mom left. you and i talked about that on the commercial break. we couldn't stay. it would be hard.

the dad stayed. the stepdad stayed. and all of those other family members. we couldn't show you the pictures because they were not open to us. with the sound of the crunch, crunch, as he was running to try to get to is this person hurt? what's going on? it was just a little bit, he said, about 12ish minutes as he ran that he remembered on the stand today before he reached her, and that sound was so powerful. you felt like you where they are. >> kayleigh: it was incredibly powerful. one part that stuck out to me, kennedy, how long the interaction was between jose at ibarra and laken riley appearing at her parents purchased for her a watch for christmas which shares details about this, and i want you to listen about the story about this told. it tells us a lot. >> 9:10:00 a.m. from her watch

that she was wearing, she is clipping seven minute miles. she is listening to. something happens. he does something to her. to make her stop dead in her tracks. her encounter with him was long. her fight with him was fierce. and that is what the garmin data shows. and once her heart stops at 9:28:00 a.m., there is no more info from the garmin. >> kayleigh: 9:28:00 a.m., her heart stopped. >> kennedy: she had done all the right things. her parents had done all the right things. this case is about so much more than just her tragic murder. this is a snapshot out where we are in the country. and you can do the right things as a woman. you can protect yourself. you can keep in great shape.

she can conceivably outrun anyone. a seven minute mile is phenomenal. i'm glad she was wearing a garmin. i'm wearing mine right now. part of it is the data, but it is the government who failed her. for years there have been people imploring this administration, do a better job convicting people who wish to harm and kill americans, and keep the bad people out. let the good people and who want to work, who want to thrive. who also want to do the right things. this is total failure. that's why this moment was critical in the election. because people realize, parents realized that this could be my daughter. this could be my niece are my friend or my roommate. they don't want this to happen anymore. >> we know that her digital profile, tomi, that her roommates were keeping track of, found that she was at a sedentary location in the woods off the trail, so they knew something was wrong.

the police officer went to this location. took 24 minutes to find her body because that's how what is the area was. what we are about to play, viewer discretion advised. this is when laken riley's mom left the room. all of which were in tears according to our producers, the moment where the georgia police officer finds the body of laken riley. >> ma'am, ma'am. oh! i need medics immediately. [breathing] ma'am, ma'am. she's down. she's not breathing. >> kayleigh: it's chilling. and i will say this. there is optimism that we have a

president-elect is going to do something about this. we have tom homan, who was on harris' shows earlier. going to do something about this. also chilling to me the number of blue state governors that have already vowed to fight orders from donald trump van tom homan, saying we are going to come get criminal alien monsters like this, and you've got governors proudly proclaiming that they are going to stand in the way. as a young woman, what really struck me in the opening is a hunting for females. you have donald trump that's going to fix this. tom homan that is going to fix this. it is going to take some time. there are a lot of people hiding in the shadows of this country. thousands potentially. if you are a young woman or you have a young daughter or roommate, not only follow their location. not only have technology that allows you to track their friends or to track movements, but also if you are a young woman out there, it is open

season on you to some degree, and it always has been in america. women will always be vulnerable from illegal immigrants or anyone else on the street. if you are trained, carry a firearm. your self-defense at some point will be up to you, so make sure you're ready and your focus and he are prepared because we don't want to have any more trials like this, and we don't want to see young women in this position. sometimes there's nothing you can do. especially young college students who are out running. we have all been that college student running. prepare yourself now. >> kayleigh: this was entirely preventable. i want to pull up the timeline of mr. ibarra. entered the country september 22. arrested in new york s septembe' 23. >> ben: number one, to the other members of the media, what cowards. right now they are talking about donald trump appointments because they know that this is such a powerful story that will

affect the mind-set of the american people on an issue of immigration, and they want to turn donald trump into a bad guy for wanting to get rid of people just like this. number two, and i think this is a part that makes me even more angry is the fact that we have people in congress just yesterday, aoc, who was telling people how to get away with being in the country illegally. telling them how to get their life in order and their papers in order and how to reach local members of congress to defend you. that's who they are representing. not the american people. the third thing is this is why i favor the death penalty. you look at the sky, and i'm sorry, he deserves to die. we have given him a deal. make sure they go to prison for the rest of their lives, and there are people celebrating that. if you are a woman in america today, it is open season on you, and the reason why is because we

have a system and a government that has said we don't protect american citizens are the most vulnerable. we protect the criminals at all costs. if you want to know why donald trump won and why god spared his life, he's saying we are going to protect american citizens. we are going to make this country safer. god bless them. i hope he doesn't. >> tomi: looking at the picture of that beautiful 22-year-old, laken riley, i want to leave you with the words of her mother. "i know that my sweet laken riley new jesus personally peer never left her side, and he will take care of her now and forever in heaven." laken riley, 22 years old. we remember her today. more "outnumbered," next. g food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are

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>> harris: president-elect donald trump is shaking it up by selecting robert f. kennedy jr. to head health and human services. trump is making good on his campaign promise to have kennedy join his administration to disrupt the washington norms. griff jenkins recording now from d.c. with the latest. >> this may be of the surprising pick after trump repeatedly hinted that he would and lets kennedy do make america healthy again, but already getting a harsh reception from some democrat senators like patty murray posting this yesterday, saying "this could not be or dangerous. there is no telling how far in anti-vaxxer and french conspiracy theorist like rfk jr. could set america back in terms of public health and more." but kennedy says his skepticism is being misconstrued by his

critics, offering this. >> i am not going to take anything away from people, vaccines. if the vaccines are working for some, i am not going to take them away. people have a choice, and that choice not to be informed. >> and he is getting praise from a democratic governor who was on the front lines during the covid pandemic. jared polis saying this. "i'm excited about the news. he helped us defeat vaccine mandates in colorado and will help make america healthy again by shaking of hhs and fda." now, among the things we know kennedy wants to do if confirmed, address america's health and food habits, put a spotlight on obesity, re-examine vaccine approvals, ban toxic chemicals, cut corporate influences. for what it's worth, harris, many of these goals are

bipartisan. lest we forget, michelle obama led the movement to get america more fit. let's see what happens. >> harris: you know, ben, your show is called "verdict." what your verdict on this? >> ben: i laugh at how they are all freaked out. "obama considers stars for the cabinet. this quote strongly considering robert f. kennedy jr. to head the environmental protection agency." so all these democrats that are like freaking out, he is extreme. we can't have him. we can't trust them. sorry, shut up. you guys are so filled with hypocrisy, it's embarrassing. i also think it's shocking how the media is a reacting. all the things that he said he was going to do that he is actually doing. they cannot believe that rfk is actually there. did you not see them on stage? did you not see the fireworks? did you not see the crowd go

crazy? the same left that loves them only because he bucked to the system on asking questions about the covid-19 pandemic and a lot of people took a second look at him. a lot of people who are conservative took a second look and said this is interesting. this is a guy that's asking questions. he only asks questions, and they lost their minds. >> harris: i remember when he was in our studios and for the first time we sat down, and i asked rfk jr. are you turning independent or republican? "no, i'm a democrat." >> kennedy: he is very proud of being a democrat, and he was hoping that would appeal to more democrats. and it might have if they had had an honest process throughout my merry season. they did not want a primary process. now this is what you are faced with. he touched a nerve with a lot of people. he got people who were not interested in politics at all to listen to his ideas. >> harris: good point.

>> kay >> kennedy: when i thought that kennedy was nominated, i thought it was me. okay, we are going to washington. so i have to call off the dogs. but he is kind of all over the map. he has become somewhat libertarian in the last few years. i hope he remembers what it means to be libertarian. because i worry that someone with a collage of ideas that he has is going to use government oppressively. and that is not what we want in terms of our health. it is one thing to be a great role model and a great example. it's another thing to make sure that there is not fraud happening and we are not being actively poisoned so repetitious lee. repetitious, but to mandate what people put in their bodies in terms of food, that is a very slippery slope. >> tomi: yeah, i would agree. i'm really surprised that some on the left are freaking out about this because i believe it

is california who has led the crusade to ban certain things and food. skittles. >> harris: even furniture. there are all sorts of -- and most of them are coming from california. maybe it's a good thing. >> tomi: i'm really surprised that there are some that are so angry because that is part of his agenda, to look at the toxic chemicals of things that are in our food. why does europe have better food for us? singh sold here that are not allowed to be sold elsewhere? that is something the bomb as it should embrace. why not take a look at these things? and for some, so that was a religion, so i understand you are poking at some peoples religion. what happened during the vaccines. some people are still very sensitive because they got so much wrong, but if you have someone who's willing to examine these things, maybe make big pharma a little uncomfortable, i think that's okay. >> ben: follow the money. i've never seen so many

conservatives of following the money has big pharma, maybe we are being taken advantage of. maybe they want to throw every single vaccine that you to make money. we also know that doctors are not honest with the american people because they were getting bonuses for how many vaccines they were putting out there. and we will not forget that. >> harris: you side up close. the whole thing with the cloth mask. have you ever seen a surgeon go into surgery with a cloth mask? i think he was feigning it when he said he was not sure. telling people to use whatever they had. would he have gone into a disease environment with a cloth mask? it just did not make any sense can't. >> tomi: remember when he admitted he was only saying that because there was a shortage? he is a big critic of -- i will

say this, just coming from the other side, there are more traditional conservatives, social conservatives who really wanted to see someone like ben carson, someone who is pro-life. but what i would say to social conservatives, he will face questions about his abortion views during his nomination process by pro-life senators. what i can say to those in the community who are worried, i can tell you that the guy at the top is the biggest advocate for the pro-life cause. most pro-life president we have had, and i have comfort that the ultimate boss is guiding trump. >> harris: may be -- maybe it's true, great ideas can come from anyone. >> ben: that is what they are all freaked out about. every one of these nominees. >> harris: all right, wow. what an hour. a bakery holding a news conference after whoopi goldberg claimed on "the view" this week that this particular bakery did not want to serve her a happy

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c4 new york congresswomen and progressive superstar if you want to call her that, alexandria ocasio-cortez nonviral yesterday after followers noticed that her pronouns were missing from her x profile, so where did they go? two years ago she apologized for not having them, claiming "i fell off." what does that mean? words don't just fall, but there was no apology this go around when many are blaming gender issues for the big defeat last week, including a "new york times" op-ed -- fascinating. you got to read it. a liberal writer who wrote this. nevertheless the democratic voters felt betrayed.

"they resent being labeled anti-transfer questioning whether it's right to simply accept what their children saying about their gender, especially since those children often suffer from other mental health issues." this writer is fascinating. she goes on to say that more than 14,000 american children have gender-related medical interventions between 2019 and 2023, and while much of europe has been pulling back from gender affirmation model, evidence has emerged that in the u.s., opponents of this approach have let politics color at the science. she goes on to cite a government researcher who had findings that went against gender-affirming care and buried that appeared. >> tomi: that study was really important because it studied the mental health impacts of those that were transitioning, and when it turned out they did not have positive mental health impacts two years down the road, she wanted to bury that study that we spend taxpayer dollars on, by the way. many in the united states

figuring out that the social experiment of transitioning your minor children is a sale the social experiment with lifelong repercussions. if you talk to somebody, and i have many times, trying to detransition, they will tell you that their life as hell. because of surgeries they've done to their bodies. they will forever be scarred from this, so i think now the american people, not just republicans and conservatives are starting to take a look at this and say we want to distance ourselves from this. it does not have anything to do with adults choosing to be trans, but when it comes to kids, the line has been drawn, and i think it's a great step forward. >> kayleigh: "democrat spend way too much time trying not to offend, rather than being brutally honest about the challenge many americans face. i have two little girls. i don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a

male athlete. but as a democrat i'm supposed to be afraid to say that." he got a lot of backlash for saying this. here he has on "morning joe" sharing that backlash. >> the backlash i received proves my point that we can't even have these discussions as a party. instead, we have a party that shames us, tries to cancel people who even bring up these difficult topics. and frankly shame voters. the same people who told us to defend the police, that there was not a problem at the southern border, who told us that inflation was transient, whatever that means, and who told us that president biden was just fine. and they are out of touch with voters. >> harris: yeah, you know, part of the backlash against seth moulton ought to include the fact that he did not vote against the trans bill o bill of rights. he has got more then a sketchy past of whether or not he really believes what he's saying now. he has an opposite voting record for it.

everybody is going to flex now from the left. they want to make sure that they are voting with the right people in silence until it comes time to run again and then hopefully nobody will remember what they've done in the past. >> ben: like aoc. >> kayleigh: harris without receipts on a friday. to your point, then new york times -- one so that she became "radicalized" when she saw that infamous commercial. she said i don't like trump, but i voted on the side of normalcy. >> ben: an issue that they went way too far on. vanderbilt was a great example. a flash point for her parents when they saw that. you have to get on board with the surgeries for children because it makes us a lot of money. and if you don't you are basically going to be excommunicated from the house at vanderbilt. wow, this is not child care. this is about a guaranteed

paycheck for life because of the puberty blockers and all of the other expensive drugs. this was a radical idea from the left. they are ruining kids' lives. they are taking them in as experiments. instead of actually being good parents and the doctors to these kids, no one should be cutting, mutilating a child under 18, period. >> kayleigh: kennedy, there were democrats outraged at chuck schumer on this issue. $77 million is what the g.o.p. poured into the trans issue. >> kennedy: i'm going to push back a little because my youngest daughter wants to be a federal law enforcement officer, so i got her a gun and german shepherd because that's how she identifies. she's arresting people left and right. you know what? she's a cop. my child wants to be a cop. one of the german study said we have to treat children wholly. we cannot just look at this one

issue and this one area of identification. it's unkind appeared we have to look and see what the greater mental health issues are because for so many kids, it is an epid. we have to treat the mental health first. get them out of pain. the suffering that they are experiencing. and then you can treat the gender stuff mom surgically. >> kayleigh: democrats love talking about team normal. it turns out that people saw team normal as the right. meanwhile, this bakery in staten island is about the whole a news conference after whoopi goldberg claimed on "the view" this week that this bakery did not want to make her a happy birthday dessert order because of her political views.

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frankly, the people who defame this family should apologize to the family for making stuff up. to suit their needs. not everybody wakes up every day and thinks about politics. a good business person does not care about anybody's politics. so with that i would like to call up jill. she deserves 110% of our support. jill. [applause] >> is a community that i have to tell you i am so overwhelmed by the support between finding out yesterday this event happened, getting phone calls, and then people coming in. people from all over, supporting us in every way. we have phone calls yesterday from alabama. guys, send them doughnuts. send them cupcakes. their support has been so overwhelming, and i know how hard my family has worked to

keep this business alive, and i wish my father was here today to see this. he would never believe it. coming in at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning just to have doughnuts and roles for everybody that comes in. we have the best roles ever. and you know what? it took my whole family, the community that comes everybody to see us. we have this everyday conversation. how's the family? how's this? this is what makes us who we a are. and us coming back to the community, makes this go around. if it was not for you and staten island to make this work, we would not still be here today. [applause] so i know my brother works hard. joe, my baker in the back, here six days a week. he gives his heart and soul to this place. you know what? my father always said do what you love. i'm telling you, this is my heart.

i thank you so much to everybody who came out to support us. it means the world to me. it really does. thank you so much. [applause] >> oh, good. just a little background for those who no, they had a boiler that was 60 or 70 years old, and the first week in november, guess what? when on the fritz. had to be replaced. and the reputation of holtermann's is impeccable, so they said we cannot do it. the person who besmirched and defames them took it as an insult to her. well, get over it. this family will be here for, god willing, another 145 years. if our family, staten island community. elected officials. i hope if you are watching this from across the country, go online and order something, and we will mail it to you.

[applause] so, keep coming to holtermann's. i would like to call up jessica. [applause] >> thank you so much for putting this together. and to the holtermann family. jill. give her a big round of app applause. i think one thing all of the elected officials have in common is that holtermann's has been around our entire lives. my parents entire lives. my grandparents entire lives. bibliography at grandparents entire lives. this is a staple in the staten island community, and one message is clear. you do not mess with staten island. [applause] we come together as a borough like no other, so just understand staten island others are going to shop at holtermann's.

this is an amazing family establishment. thank you to dean holtermann family for giving us an historic beautiful business for 146 years. thank you. [applause] >> i'm sorry. i'm getting old. 146. councilman. >> thank you so much to our president. you know who always stands up for staten island? and today staten island needs to be stood up for. we are glad to have holtermann's back. they have had the backs of this community. like so many other small business owners, they give back to the community that they call home. they give back to the community that patronize is them, and i'm so glad we see all the cars here, all the people coming in and out of the story to send a message to the person who decided she was too important for a boiler breakdown. that she had to have her

pastries and if it was not coming to her, it must have been a direct insult to her. i would never be the case. staten island there is don't serve people based on their political opinions. they serve everyone who comes through their doors. and that is the case with the holtermann family. [applause] in case you cannot tell, i love a good bakery. this is one of the best in the world, bar none. my family has been shopping here since i was a little kid. when my mom had to buy that snack on the counter that was there for a company, it was not entenmann's. it was holtermann's that she bought. and i look forward to seeing their pastries and products all throughout the borough for years to come. so god bless you. >> harris: well, they showed up. and who got the party started? that was the borough president and staten island, and he said

these words. "this is the american story." wow. so what did what did whoopi goldberg try to do to this woman in her bakery? watch. >> the place that made these refuse to make them for me. >> oh, really? >> no, no, no. let me explain. let me explain. they said that their ovens have gone down. all kinds of stuff. but folks went and got them anyway, which is why am not telling you who made them. it is not because i am a woman, but perhaps they did not like my politics. >> harris: the boiler was broken. you could hear the new york city councilman there. they brought everybody to those microphones. >> ben: not political is what they are saying. trying to destroy a family business that has been in business for as long as they

said just because it could not be that she might not get a cupcake on her birthday. because she's such a lunatic, she thinks anything that does not go her way is some conspiracy theory against her. everybody hates her. this is the intolerance of the left. i am going to guess that some of the people who smoke are probably democrats, and thank goodness they came out and said you don't do this to our bakery. i hope there is a lawsuit here. i hope whoopi goldberg has to pay a huge, huge birthday check to this bakery. >> harris: i hope that abc is on the hook here too. they don't mention holtermann's bakery. by the way, everybody is googling this so much that you just put in three letters, and it's there. they are iconic, those cupcakes. so they are and like every shot of what's being said while it sheis accusing her of being

politically discriminatory. so how much on the hook is "abc news"? how much on the hook is whoopi? somebody is. according to the law, how does it work? >> tomi: you cannot just not say the bakery's name and say okay, i'm off the hook. i did not slander or libel anyone. if there is a fact that you disclose that could lead someone to infer what you're talking about, you can still be on the hook. to your point, that infamous -- or i should not say infamous, the famous white box with the pink dots allows people to know that it is holtermann's bakery. she chose to unleash the attack dogs based on what evidence? what evidence led her to believe that this was about politics? but thanks god this bakery is fighting back. >> harris: some of those new york representatives could very well be democrats as well. >> kennedy: is staten island is pretty conservative. they are a rare territory in the

five boroughs of new york city. great people there. they obviously are very passionate about their environment and their community. what is with the goldberg doing, saying this is whoopi goldberg. if i need something custom-made for me and my whoopi goldberg ness now. they may have had this premade. so someone may have made all of those lovely confections which someone was able to fetch and take two whoopi onset because god knows she's been eating a lot of cupcakes lately. >> harris: we just get deeper and deeper. what is the truth of all this? >> tomi: i think she is an incredibly self-indulgent person who thinks everything is about her. she takes it personally because of how highly she thinks of herself, and she thinks everyone else regards her in that way, that they would care what her politics are, that they would go

to such lengths that they would not make her a cupcake. this is projection and deflection. this is what the left does. i have numerous instances in california and other liberal places where people did not want to serve me or where i got bad looks or i felt obviously uncomfortable being in a place because of who i am and what i believe in. i would never call these places out on air. i would never try to disparage them or hurt their business, but i think she's used to do that because she's on the left and maybe she would do that to somebody. so she automatically assumes that that was done to her, but it quite clearly wasn't. >> harris: you and i had i think seen some of the same reporting on this that "the view" might be struggling with its view. and that may be they really had to be more sensitive to the fact that everybody is a part of this country. >> kayleigh: they have one of you. they all voted for kamala harris. it is only one view.

76 million americans don't have a voice. there you have it. well, the holidays are almost here. americans nationwide are preparing to celebrate with their families. but the sin this yale psychiatrist, urging liberal voters to cut off loved ones who voted for trump. >> there is a push i think just a societal norm that if somebody is your family, they are entitled to your time. and i think the answer is absolutely not. so if you are going into a situation where you have family members, where you have close friends who you know have voted in ways that are against you, it's completely fine to not be around those people and to tell them why. >> kayleigh: wow. yale psychiatrist. she clearly has a view that i'm not sure so many people would say a psychologically mart or healthy. now critics are calling out the left for yet another attempt to

sow division "new york post" columnist kristin fleming isn't blasting the dems rhetoric as un-american. and a sociologist from the university of virginia even claims that the left sounds like a cult. "cults often encourage people to cut off their family and friends. just to kind of key people within the culture." so i don't take that advice is worth following. kennedy, what psychiatrist says it is healthy for you to ice out family members? >> kennedy: i think she went to the doctor conrad murray school of medicine if i had to guess. this is incredibly dangerous. because we do have an epidemic of loneliness in this country. telling people to isolate themselves further, it's actually very psychologically harmful. this is god awful advice but also whether democrats lost. the vision is not selling right now. they have to figure out a way to talk to more people, to engage my people, and you start by

finding the areas of your life where you have common ground. so, you know, she does not have a lot of common ground with conservatives. maybe she needs to branch out. >> ben: what a novel idea. >> kayleigh: this is the popular vote count for trump. won more for any president that is a republican. 76 million. that is a lot of people to cut out of your life. that is 76 million americans. >> ben: those kinds of guys back in the day, we are your family now. do you remember that? you don't need your actual family because we are your family. they always demand that you must be tolerant of their radical ideas, and i'm sorry. when i go to thanksgiving and christmas, i do politics. some people are ready to go. i don't give crap about politics

on thanksgiving or christmas day. i don't want to have a debate or discussion. i want to ask you how you are as a human being. if you voted against something i voted for, god bless america. but you have these people who are experts saying this, it is a cultlike mentality. when you treat americans this way, at some point there is a point where you say enough already. >> kayleigh: people who take their politics as religion. i certainly don't. i can still associate with people different from me ideologically. it's healthy. >> harris: it is the snowflake way out. you have a snowflake psychiatrist teaching people who really do, as kennedy pointed out, they need our love and support. they need for us to say we see you, we love you. we want to lift you up. she is teaching them how to melt down. and that's not okay. i think she is harming people. >> tomi: this is a pattern for

me. 2016 they told you if you voted for donald trump, maybe don't attend christmas or thanksgiving. in 2020, don't gather. now they are telling us don't gather with friends and family if they have political differences from you. sounds like maybe they just don't want us to gather for holidays. optimism, right? i don't think this is the mainstream democrat. at least after the selection, i don't think they are going to cut off the trump supporter's in their life because there are so many of them. i think this exists in government, hollywood, media, social media. everywhere else, they are stabilizing, normalizing, and they are going to go to thanksgiving and christmas with their family members who voted differently. maybe those trump supporter's have something insightful that they could learn from.ntro more "outnumbered" in a moment. va cash out loan at lower mortgage rates to pay off those high rate car loans.

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