under donald trump. quick's is the same with the laken riley case it never should have happened. just like the daniel penny casey should not go to trial at all. quick's he should not have to defend people in a subway train from crazies that are let in. this young man should have received help pretty you protect your fellow citizens you should not be prosecuted for. it's a world we have been living in. quick's at nasa for us but see it next week and a member to always dvr if you cannot catch us ♪ ♪ "life, liberty & levin" starts at the top of th p6 i am at shannon bream it. trevor president trump elect with congress pics. >> everybody feels very confident, very encouraged about the days ahead.

quick sister publican team is united. we are on one team. shannon: a new era for publican leadership also to place on capitol hill as trump announces key choices for his cabinet from secretaries of state and defense, two national intelligence director, hhs and attorney general. >> we are going to reduce regulation, waste, fraud and inefficiency but were going to clear out the corrupt, broken and failing bureaucracies. shannon: will get reaction from speaker mike johnson who just when the gop nomination for a full two-year term as democrats determine how they can best flex their power and into washington will talk with delaware senator chris coons on our sunday pen on the trump agenda and what it means for foreign policy and the economy. >> you have to start my term from november 5. because the market has gone through the roof. enthusiasm has doubled. shannon: alt rig all right now x news sunday."

>> hears foxes from washington quick look at your headlines russia launched a massive drone and missile attacks on ukraine overnight targeting energy infrastructure. shutdown 140 air targets but there was a damage and water supplies. president biden met one on one with chinese president jinping saturday at the asia-pacific summit present she working with incoming ufc fight in madison square garden rising house speaker mike johnson was there but will speak with him in just a moment and later senator chris coons joins us as well. first we turn to team coverage with kevin corke covering the final weeks of the vitamins ration at the white house. bill melugin reporting a

president-elect trump in west palm beach. that is where we begin. hello bill. >> good morning to you. at present electron but his transition team here in palm beach have been moving at rapid speed when it comes to filling out future administration but they made more than a dozen pics this last week alone. some of them have bipartisan support others are raising some eyebrows. >> a president-elect trump taking a victory lap ufc fight night at madison square garden after a busy week building his second administration's choices include marco rubio for secretary of state. mike walls of her national security adviser. jon directly for cia director, doug bergen for secretary of the interior and christie known for homeland security secretary. >> we have for years ahead of us that donald trump has tapped as the golden age of america. he is putting effective hard-working people into these positions. >> other have been more

controversy including trump selection for health and human services secretary. >> today i nominated him for i guess, if you like health and if you like people who live a long time, it's most important position, rfk junior. quick service disruption across entire federal government took a chance to do it. >> decimation of committee health centers. text trump does nominate matt gaetz for attorney general. that led democrat senator martin heinrich too post people voted for cheaper eggs now whatever the f this is better publican centers are not sold either. >> trump's charming army veteran former fox news colleague pete hegseth the secretary of defense republican tulsi gabbard as national intelligence. >> the best individuals available trump once more recess

without senate confirmation if necessary incoming gop senate majority leader john thune tells fox news he is looking at every single option including the controversial resource appointments they will all be on the table whenever it when it comes down to it. shannon will send it back to you. shannon: will talk about that quite a bit in the show today bill melugin reporting for west palm beach. thank you. senior national correspondent kevin corke at the white house. >> shannon, little more than to months from officer mr. biden does not mean that lame dunk appeared will be an inactive one for the biden white house. plenty on the agenda as you know wrapping up ambitious closing international global conferences from peru, to the amazon rain forces to brazil mr. biden addressed issues from climate change to global governance in

the economy. aipac and per route mr. biden pn presumably meant for the last time with chinese president xi jinping whose country just opened at major seaport there and was front and center of the leaders photo. while shockingly mr. biden was consigned to the upper right-hand corner. when he does return to roll up his sleeves and press ahead with his domestic agenda. which includes partnering with congressional lawmakers by allocating any remaining authorized resources for major claimant initiatives here at home congressional lawmakers and there's istheirs is a fulsome tt as well to the holidays any additional aid and getting the right money for the national defense authorization and to confirm judges that's especially

important for democrats who are concerned about living gop control it's all to say the president is eager to get back to work as a memories of his own legacy and his leadership and of course the loss in november make way for the final verdict on his time in office. shannon: art kevin corke reporting in the white house thank you. not her interview house speaker mike johnson. quick speaker up that late night and earlatenight and early morne back to "fox news sunday." >> rate to be with you. let's start here the house ethics can has been investigating one of president trump's nominees former congressman now matt gaetz up for attorney general is going to be released. democrat congressman this is what we see for the report. >> is president for that someone

has left the congress and some cannot be released for that matter. >> our intrepid shadow program congressional correspondent says there are at least two times a report has been released after member left congress. white the transparency and this may clear him for someone is going to be the top federal law enforcement officer in the country i don't anything but the contents of the report that with tthe waythe rules work the speaf the house the comments these are two breaches of the tradition under external circumstances. that does not meet the criteria. matt gaetz is a colleague of my we've been serving together for more than eight years he's one of the brightest minds in washington or anywhere for that matter. he knows everything about how

the department of justice has been a weapon iced and misused apart he will be a reformer. that is why the establishment in washington is so shaken up about this pick. but with regard to the report there's a very important reason for the tradition we have almost always followed and that is we do not issue investigations and ethics reports on people who are not members of congress. i am afraid that will open a pandora's box because the jurisdiction of the ethics committee is limited to those serving in the institution but that's his very purpose and that's a breach of protocol that could be dangerous for us going forward in the future. shannon: his denominational i was happy with the senate confirmation excuse me the senate judiciary committee. that is going to be a long process. our next guest coming up senator chris coons as part of that committee said the report should be released he is not the only one. it's not just democrat here's republican senator john cornyn. plus i think there should not be any limitation on the senate

judiciary committee investigation. including whatever the house ethics committee generated. shannon: opened to open a subpoena how do you see this playing out? >> i hope the ethics committee will stick by the tradition of protocol for the reasons i just articulated. i think this would take us down a path i don't know how we would return of house ethics committee and its resources were significant, substantial could be used to investigate people who are not in the house where would that end people can weaponize that function of government as well. the recent matt gaetz is such an exciting pic to so many people he will go in and reform the department of justice. we sat on the judiciary committee for almost seven years before became speaker of the house and we heard the evidence. we saw the evidence of a law fair we saw how the department of justice had been used for political purposes.

school boards improve life americans this is not what our system of justice was built to do matt gaetz will go in there and shake it up. this is what it think most of the american people think that's an important function. >> to be fair he was a member when the investigation was underway will see how the battle may be between the senate and the house sides play out as he proceeds in the confirmation process president trump is made it clear his nominees get stuck once the senate to move ahead possibly the house cooperating with this idea of a racist appointment. forbes said this lawmakers in both the house and senate would have to agree for the senate to adjourn for more than 10 days as the constitution requires a happy house and senate action your role in that. constitutional role should

outrage any member of congress. would you take steps to put things in recess to those of the appointments would happen? controversial notion were in a time a very the senate would take its job of advice and consent of his choosing. if this bogs down wit they delid a mandate to the present overwhelming popular vote victory and of course electoral college victory. they have sent the message america first policies should be the rule of the day. the persons the president's choosing will help with that agenda. they will take their leadership in these agencies and reform them as a people expect and demand. we will evaluate all that at the

appropriate time and make the appropriate decision. there may be a function for that will see have it plays out. shannon: you up a have had a specialty as a constitutional lawyer i knew you four years in that role before you proceeded into what you're doing now. here is the wall street journal editorial board on the constitutionality of the recess appointments. they said it's unconstitutional, anti- constitutional would eliminate one of the basic checks on power of the founders built into the american system of government. if mr. trump gets away with that the next democrat to win the oval office would whip through left nominees whoever holds the presidency would gain unilateral power to name cranks and cronies to offices of the immense authority. you talk about opening a pandora's box by going against tradition earlier in the show. i'm democrat president installing whomever he or she wanted without restrictions of the senate confirmation process?

>> have been a jealous guardian of the constitution my whole life. i've demonstrated over and over we will have fidelity to our oath which is to uphold the constitution but we evaluate all the things very carefully am sympathetic to all these arguments. as i said we'll have to see how this develops i'm very hopeful, very hope of the sun will do his job that is provide advice and consent an move these nominees along. they have an obligation to do a vetting of every nominee and they will. we will see how this plays out. i think all of the hyperbole everything on the front end is to distract the american people install president trump and delivering upon the mandate that the people have given him. i know he is excited to get to work spent all day yesterday with emmett mayor lago, a long day of hard work we went ultimately had a little fun at the fc fight late last night. he is in a good place he is ready to governance of the people of his choosing are ready to do the same. i think that's much bigger thing for the country. >> you got a big agenda

headfirst in the lame duck session funding for the government. we have run out of money at the federal level at least in part. shorshort-term measure long term effort. you want to get all of the appropriation bills ar passed it possible to do that? what do we do come that cliff? >> is getting more and more difficult to get all those bills done for here's the reason why the house is done its work the house is not. chuck schumer is a democratic leader they are in the senate he refused to but a single appropriation bill on the floor. that is not how the process of supposed to work so it is broken down in that regard. we are running out of clock december 20 is the deadline. we are still hopeful we might be able to get that done. if not will have a temporary measure that would go into the first part of next year end allow us the necessary time to get this done. i think that would be ultimately a good move because the country would benefit from it. you have republican control

would have a little more say it with the spending bills are. the new reform agenda begins in earnest as soon as president donald j trump takes the office in january we have a full agenda to run. it's going to be an aggressive first 100 days of the new congress with all of the members of congress ready for that the houses been preparhouse is beens for almost a year and now the senate under its new leadership of leader elect thune, he and i met this week and talks about this aggressive agenda. he told me he is ready to go and deliver on america first the house will see how the last few seats settle out. mr. speaker think every time i was good to have you. >> thank you so much good to be with you. >> will get perspective from the other side of the aisle democrat senator chris coons and met all this talk of recess appointments. it could take the senate out of the confirmation process.

rfk jennifer health and human services secretary that nomination that is all coming up after this.

shannon: a president elected trump rattling washington this week with some of his cabinet nominations including robert f kennedy jr. as health and human services secretary. with his controversial views were back in the spotlight joining out johns hopkins professor dr. marty makary also blind spots medicine gets it wrong and what it means for our

health. welcome to back to "fox news sunday" you spent time with rfk junior he knows controversy will be as you know what critics are beating him up about right now. over at that "washington post" said that she's either unable to understand the scientific process that forms the basis of modern medicine or heat purposefully ignores the research when conclusions do not support his preconceived notio notions. either is disqualifying. with health and science. >> if we listen to what he's talking about he is very clear about what he wants to do part number one he wants to address corruption and healthcare and corruption in our government health agencies for a lot of people don't like that message that threatened by it. number two he wants to get back to evidence-based research he wants to fund research is going to answer the big questions of our day and number three he wants to address the child chronic disease epidemic. a lot are concerned food supply is poisoned and kids are growing up and we are drugging kids at scale as the american academy pediatrics is pushing those.

he is on but health and chronic diseases should not be a political message and you're seeing a lot of people unite around that message parents that are effective on the campaign. think they a there delivering ot now. shannon: i've seen is the medical community at your peers as well say we agree with him a lot of that stuff those are conversations we need to have but they are very worried about his authority over agencies that it very important when it comes to things like vaccines and public health. >> i would say people should not dissect what he said 30 years ago listen to what he saying now. he sank very clearly is not anti- becks present going to remove or take away anyone's vaccines. what is scary and dangerous to health is not rfk junior, it's what people just witnessed it's the food pyramid at light that's been out there for 60 years. it's a medical establishment that lied to us about opioids for 20 you're saying is not addictive. it was a vaccine mandate cloth masks on tyler's was driving the distrust in the medical establishment is not rfk junior.

shannon: there also those who object within the republican party because of the issues on abortion, his position their former vice president pence now it's american freedom put this on exit. said he would be the most pro- abortion republican appointed secretary of hhs in modern history i respectfully urging senate republicans to reject his nomination. there is the abortion issue for conservatives they have concerns about. >> i don't speak for him i don't know his views on abortion i do know his views on addressing chronic diseases and the issues of the food supply. if you look at the path we are on as a country it is not a good path. we are watching so many crimes go up early onset alzheimer's have tripled. cancer and young people under age 50 has gone up 79%. we are looking at half the nation's children are sick. we are looking 40% of the nation's children with the mental health diagnosis. one in five kids is on medication what he is really

focused on is the concept we cannot keep drugging our nations children going down this path that is was dangerous. >> if he were to be conformed to this position how muuthoty would he have two make progress on all this things you mention it may be four years? >> i think he was to bring in a lot of scientists are highly respected institutions and let them do good work. and i think that is the focus. he is the quintessential environmental health attorney of our era that may be the quintessential issue of our era the central issue in healthcare is the health of the population. it's not health insurance and how we finance a broken healthcare system it is how we fix it. and so for the first time ever we are seeing a focus on the health of our nations children and the chronic disease epidemic. that is exciting a lot of people. >> a lot of people be shocked to the system will see how this plays out for doctor good to see you. thank you so much. joining meat now delaware democratic senator chris coons

someone voting out all these different confirmations. senator, good to see you. >> good to see you at shannon thanks for chance to be out again. kukla's talk about rfk junior. as i mentioned the people than the medical establishment have some problems with him but do like the things he is highlighting. "new york times" essay doctor said this i believe there's a healthcare agenda that finds common ground between people like myself medical researchers and clinicians and mr. kennedy. there is opportunity to leverage mr. kennedy's skepticism and relative political independence for good to turn his most valid criticisms of the american healthcare system into constructive reforms. are you open to sitting down and having this conversation with him about where he really stands at all these issues? >> of course. you introduced me as someone who will get a chance to vote on all these nominations. i certainly hope that is the case. we will not see nominees are jammed through in recess appointments where there is no confirmation hearing.

no confirmation of vote they take over incredibly powerful positions for up to two years. of course i will be willing to meet with president elected trump nominees. i did the previous time he was president. i voted on the many of them. i look forward to meeting with rfk junior. i have to say though, is a long record of being anti- vaccine campaigner gives me real pause and concern. that would be the first thing i would ask him about because the fact that american children are vaccinated against things like measles, mumps, and rebel it keeps us safe and saves and millions of lives a year. so, getting to the bottom of his real views on a wide range of issues from vaccines to dietary supplements, to that research work of cdc, nih and nga weathers pro-choice or pro- life all that would be important for us to get some clarity on. shannon: just a few days ago he said he's not anti- vaccine and he does not accept that label that's been given to him. he says he is is for being more

transparent is not going to block vaccines for people or kids he says he wants people to have more of the scientific information and studies is that a conversation to hear him say it and articulated in that way? >> yes. the whole point of a confirmation process is to have meetings with those who have been nominated to run incredibly significant and powerful agencies and get clarity on their views, their experience and their character. that is why there's been both great consternation in the set it about matt gaetz being nominated to be the next attorney general. because of real concerns about his character. there has generally been real positivity about senator marco rubio being nominated to be the next secretary of state. senator rubio has served in a leading role on the intelligence committee, on the foreign relations committee for 14

years. he is a conservative republican. he and i differ on some key policies but he is someone i have worked with, legislated with, traveled with. matt gaetz is someone who just resigned in order to avoid the public release of a bipartisan report of the house ethics committee that might very well have cast a very damning allegations against his character and conduct in the congress. shannon: we don't know what it says the d.o.j. decided not to charge him in february of last year but to the health act thick issues you've called for it to be released or not the only one that republicans including john cornyn on the senate judiciary committee as well saying he would be open to a subpoena. you think there be bipartisan support from the committee to do what you needed to do to get your hands on that report? >> yes. to be clear about what speaker johnson said before the ethics committee loses its jurisdiction to discipline a member when they are no longer a member. on several occasions in the

house the house ethics committee has released a report when someone, as a matt gaetz just did, resigned at the last moment in order to avoid the release of a report. some might say why is it relevant now? it is relevant because he senate has a constitutional role. it's called our advice and consent role to make sure president elect mostly gets their choice, their nominees but doesn't get the people and who are unqualified or lack the requisite character and capabilities to lead incredibly important agency like the department of justice. >> it be interesting to see if this had been a dozen of your committee is to get into this in january. but absent this the conversation about recess appointments than a cut the set it out of the process altogether potentially, do you think that all republicans all 53 of them which you flip into the new year, the mccormick's seat holds as we expect in the midst of this recount. you think all of them would vote to adjourn the senate? do you think there are some republican colleagues of yours who would say we are not going

to adjourn the senate, go along this recess and run. >> likely yes. they understand our constitutional role. we are a check and balance we are there to be a guard rail you cited earlier wall street journal editorial that said frankly if you take the confirmation process out and only put in the cabinet as recess appointments there is a real risk of future administrations future presidents will jam an and increasingly marginal characters who are there because of their popularity or their celebrity or what they have said but lack the requisite scale, experience and policy views and character to lead our huge insignificant federal agencies. i agree with that view. >> or something else being worked on the department of government efficiency it's not going to be an official government entity but run what they want to do is highlight where they say there's tons of government fraud overregulation for too many federal employees

but wall street editorial board says this thing could be trumps a best idea they attempt to tame and shrink leviathan is worth the toil it's essential to liberating americans from the tyranny of the expanding administrative state. their government waste reports that come out to every or pointing out all kinds of crazy things the american taxpayer has no idea their funding. what you make of this effort? come to congress as a suggestion you would then have to act on how the opportunity to act on it. is it a worthwhile exercise? >> look, president clinton came into office one of things he asked his vice president al gore to do was to lead a commission to look at government efficiency and operation. they work closely with folks in the bureaucracy who knew better than anyone where they were things they were doing that were unnecessary or duplicative. they saved up billions and billions of dollars. shannon we also already have an agency called the gao the general accounting office that

does reports as you mentioned they release them every congress that highlight areas of inefficiency and waste and operations. the numbers that elon musk have thrown out that they might be able to cut $2 trillion out of government spending, there is no way to achieve that kind of savings without cutting into critical functions like social security, medicare, medicaid, veterans healthcare. but they could save tens or hundreds of billions of dollars depending on how it is structured and what they do this could be a constructive undertaking that ought to be embraced. frankly it somewhat amuses me they have chosen to billionaires with no prior government experience to run this entity whatever it will be and that one of them is a major government contractor. it is important that we proceed with transparency and guardrails. look, the success elon musk's hat and busine businessman teame will have some insights

government efficiency i look forward to having a conversation with that path forward can and should look like. >> these are successful guys he said they're doing it for $0. that is a cost-cutting measure i guess off the top. always good to see you. >> thank you, shannon. >> elon musk, they are trying to go for unprecedented cuts to bureaucracy our panel is going to dig into this. newly minted department of government efficiency board, how it could shake up washington.

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shannon: you've got a number of the senators now choosing their words very carefully think it's the right thing to say. but they have to now know there are threats of if you do not support these nominees in the republican side you might get primary in a maga primary. pre-they got to cap like that. hopefully it sent to bill cassidy who at times has been willing to consider party lines come out pretty favorably for rfk junior his appointment and others. people are walking their expressed concerns about some of these matt gaetz has been one is on the hill when that announcement came out was talking to senate republicans seem to indicate it's pretty tough road for matt gaetz to get there than not making any decisions right now. it's clear these controversial pics are going to have rough processes even if they get across the finish line in the end there's going to be real

questions asked a handful of republican six or seven i can name who are not going to be able to be counted on. >> republican senators do not want to resist or oppose trump. they might discover some hint of institutional pride of the president demands the senate shutter its operation for a while so he can circumvent the required confirmation process put in place cabinet officials most centers opposed. so how does this play out in reality? >> thing with susan recess appointment and that is appropriate. as a historian if you don't learn lessons from the past you're going to repeat the same mistakes. with the american people have said, not just conservatives is that they want a trump administration in a cabinet filled with men and women who place the average american ahead of washington. in the borders are to rfk as hhs

secretary, to marco rubio as a secretary of state, there is a message being sent that while you can have your institutional prerogatives the american people want their country back. those that the sentries understand that. shannon: one we were together on election night with 100 10,000 people attract them over period of time that's motivating their vote. more than 82% said that either one substantial change or like a complete upheaval. there seem to be an appetite for these controversial pics. >> absolutely. but the thing about it to me as there are conservatives who i would say our prudential and qualified to do major jobs in this town like run the defense department. but, when it look at the nominees president-elect trump he is like casting the apprentice. it feels like a parody. stuff is on the hill talking to

republican senator and republicans have questions that looks like the priority here is not about serving those people who are trump faithful who what washington disrupted. it looks like it's about are you a trum trompe l'oeil list? will you really do with they tell you and not interfere with the white house prerogative and setting the agenda for washington and going after enemies within with vendettas. two kevin.the senate we know is a 53 -- 47. with that if these were qualified people you would not have any trouble getting them confirmed. the advice and consent function would be phi's fine. it's a republican senate. the fact they are not qualified people is why you are hearing talk of recess appointments and why there is pressure being put on republicans to advocate their responsibility to screen these

folks it. >> notes because the senate moves to slow its time then beat move faster to the will of the american people. >> the american people made it loud and clear with donald trump but in the popular vote. to many of our country. shannon: there is but they is the central to walk them through imparted that maybe the house ethics committee and former congressman matt gaetz gets release politico says that two options release their long-running report into alleged misconduct can't risk incurring present like donald trump's wrath or keep it under wraps and face accusations of a bearing potential scandalous information about nominee for attorney general the most powerful law enforcement official in the country. tiffany, do we get to see that? do centers get to see that? >> yes we will. there's plenty of wiggle room at the house majority there is an opportunity here for president trump to get his nominations

through the 32 recess appointments. the mandate for change i breakthrough of status quo. he believes in the rule of law. root out corruption of the d.o.j. thad.o.j.that's exactly n people look forward to next four years. click to this was a democrat and the kind of potential sexual crimes i think conservatives. >> d.o.j. did not charge a leisure we do not have the house ethics committee cleared him. we just do not know so centers will continue to try to fight to get that information this is something president trump has said about his buddy elon musk and just how tight they have become.

>> you know, he likes this place. i can't get him out of here, he just likes this place. [laughter] and you know what, i like having him here pick which one thanks it will be tasked with doing he and change it which tweeted out on november 14 would eat super h iq small government revolutionaries willing to work 80 plus hours per week on unglamorous cost-cutting elon himself all that with a tweet indeed this will be tedious work make lots of enemies and compensation is zero. what a great deal. what is not the person we've had a commission looks at government efficiency. it is not the first time the government has look to try to save american tax dollars, all of that. it will be interesting to see how some like elon musk takes on this role as well as vivek ramaswamy and the big question is whether they try to find ways to implement their suggestions on their own without congress. that's a big question right now but congress is in charge of appropriated funds. usually comes out to congress to

decide where money should be cut or mind mo mud more funding pro. we have been hearing trump folks are looking at options and ways to cut spending on their own part that's the biggest thing we are watching here. because they can make suggestions all they want but there's not a way to really implement them, then it's hard to see how much change they can really provide. shannon: kevin, a lot of legal experts are saying that they tried to do a run around congress on these cuts and ideas that that is when important day one. >> sure, that is fair that i do not see them attempting them to do an end run i see 30,000 foot view almost every american acknowledges which is at the very least on this best day the federal government is inefficient and we need to improve it on behalf of the everyday american. there's another facet of this that we need to think about is enlisting americans as volunteers. not only will they get better ideas but perhaps they will

improve the level of trust that americans have in the federal government and i would like to think that is something that even one and i and liberals, conservatives and centrists. >> i can agree with that. but elon musk made his money on government spending and government regulation. the seat looking out for himself owith the american taxpayer her? >> is a picture of the american dream we think about excellence and ingenuity that's exactly what this is. i know he and donald trump has sucked them great ideas that that incredible things in the private sector people want a rocket to send to them i want that guy working in an agency in our government. >> what they are going to do is not spent government money allegedly doing this in publisher thing online. which most of us would like to know. panel do not go far this week new york judges did make a judge whether or not president trump will be sentenced on criminal charges. that i

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♪don't you hesitate, do it asap.♪ learn more at cisa.gov/secureourworld ♪that's how we can secure our world!♪ >> it should be dismissed it never should have been brought. if judge merchan once any dignity in the robe in the office of all attorneys and judges in the d.o.j. he should stop this nonsense right away. thirty-six trump attorney arguing the present elective newer criminal case should be tossed we are waiting the judges decision due by tuesday were back with our panel. one, i'm guessing you do not agree with her. >> to me, i am not sure about the law but i am sure about this, when i've heard for my conservatfrom myconservative cos morning is elected president -- at present electron won the popular vote it's very hard right now for the justice department or any judge to say this a president-elect must go

to jail. it just seems like while pickwick say something short of jail customer if he decides a case survives there's a sentencing issue. >> he is an elderly man and typically that would be factored in as well as the fact he was convicted and penalties paid. you are right there are other ways he could be penalized. >> what he think he does? judge merchan has moved and moved and move this things and feels like we're due for a decision. >> our fox friend legal scholar jonathan turley said it right. he calls it a circus. may be the circus and master will finally realize that gig is up for that's what i am hoping for that will be right and just. even people who did not vote to president trump think the time for the succumb to a close is passed apart every decision he has made, every decision the judge has made us favor the prosecution which is really a political persecution that no one in this country should stand for protracted sit through that trial and can tell you i don't think there is anything he decided they were the trump legal team they were arguing

for. hooks a jury made the decision the judge can shape things along the way and he was not a trump fan is fair to say it. over msnbc legal analyst writes on the blog jury found him guilty dismissing the case outright with respect they would not make sense trump could argue it interfered this duty to have a sentencing hanging over him but that is his problem he was convicted as a private citizen. what about that argument? >> it is extraordinary circumstances for sure. the supreme court was clear when they ruled president trump has immunity from criminal liability while in office. shannon: official duties. >> yes official duties. but to be clear any time this is brought up the american people tune it out. they are tired of it. they want to talk about securing our border. they want to talk about the economy and that's exactly what they voted for in voting for president trump. shannon: we have the federal cases when here in d.c., one

down in florida and jack smith special counsel has asked too but both of those on hold he will have a report by december 2 but it looks like he's going to step down. there is more potential potentie nbc news reporting this a living question the weeks ahead is whether smith's final report detailing his decisions will be made public before inauguration day for special counsel office is required under justice department regulations for confidential report for attorney general american garland who can choose to make it public. do you think at this point the d.o.j. is like we are closing this chapter? or is there one last dig at here is what we are alleging the president did? >> you can see it going either way. i do think the justice department has to be very aware of the dynamics it is hard to imagine trouble winning is a redoubt as resoundingly as he did as he is entering the office the department of justice would decide to release something like that right at the end. i find that hard to believe but you never know.

there's also the question of the american people also want to know what is been going on there. what are the findings? what is behind the decision making at the same time so they could also be an argument for releasing a report like that and explained to the american people to see what the investigation looks like. this is what has come out of it whether that will be helpful to the political conversation is another question. >> there may be other people who could be charged. other people have gone to jail because of january 6. will it have an impact on these other cases? shannon: will have to wait and see. also note fema administrator is going to be on capitol hill after the wake of this story were of fema worker had note that said to avoid trump homes. she is saying that came from above her she is being scapegoated it's about being they avoid confrontations that have been their experience with sub homes. here she is talk with our trace

gallagher. >> and this also happened in other places this was florida but didn't happen in north carolina? it happened to other places? >> george as well as the crew leads and the specialist they will discuss their avoidance and the de-escalation methods in the field. i think mr. criswell would be happy to know what is going on truly. shannon: of this happened dan criswell talked about employee it was reprehensible. we taking care of this the person is no longer with us. the woman is saying she got orders from someone else it's more widespread than we know. how much do you think the administrator will get this week on the hill? >> it should be looked into. it is wrong. i few discriminated against anybody against poor people, people living off the grid or whatever those people deserve help in the midst of crisis. i will say what we heard from republican governors and mayors and county officials was they were out there doing their job

it's inconsistent with that. i don't know the truth of what this woman said the idea that anybody would be left by government unattended in a moment of need is wrong. shannon: this is one of those -- mcdevitt rent lame-duck up and it's a hearing that might get attention. >> i do think it's important for hard questions to be asked about the situation. i think it is very unfortunate, this could have been an iceland incident. it could've been a broader issue comes in the context of already massive distrust in fema it comes as a people feel they cannot turn to the government to take care of them. in their hour of need when they're faced with disaster. i have family near asheville visited and volunteered a little bit after the storm there and heard from people who did not feel like they're being served with a should. >> our love for that woman who has now been dismissed to testify on the hill because she sounds like she generally must help the administrator understand what is going on. maybe she will be part of the hearing to i'm not a member of the committee i do not have any control of that. thank you very much will see you

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♪ shannon: we've got a fascinating new series debuting on fox nation today, the first episode of martin scorsese presents "the saints"es is available. the series takes a deep dive into religious figures as people who struggle just like we do. score say access sat down to talk about on the ed soft of joan of arc. >> 14-year-old girl hears voices, the voices of saint, the world of god. they tell her to yes, sir in men's clothes, organize an army, lead french soldiers into battle. which she does. she becomes a political liable. she's captured, she's tried, she's condemned, she's burned at the stake. and at that point, a dove soars from out of the fire. so i think that's very compelling. shannon: it's available exclusively on fox nation starting today. and my podcast, living the

bream, drops today. i sat down with alabama senator katie britt the talk about changes and challenges coming to the senate in january and about her booker "god call us to do hard things." anywhere you like to get your podcasts. that's it for us today. thank you for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a wonderful week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday. ". ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪