minute window in which they got to get this thing off otherwise they got to call it off. ten seconds for a final thought. you go the fact that the president is there, they are eager to pull this off in the 30 minute window. we are going to see a lot more photo ops and events like this with the two of them together as this relationship seems to be growing stronger. >> thanks for staying with us through this as we continue to look at these live pictures out of brownsville, texas. the watch party is willing on. and we are now seconds away. we will be watching it together. thanks for joining us here i am sandra smith. "the five" is now on this. let's watch together. ♪ ♪

>> i'm jesse watters along with judge jeanine pirro, jessica tarlov, katie pavlich, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." you are looking live at texas. president-elect donald trump and elon musk taking off right as we speak, blasting that big and beautiful rocket doing a test flight of their largest and most powerful spacecraft ever. and attempting a tricky maneuver that involves steering the booster back into the mechanical arms or chopsticks of the launch tower. it's not just rockets, elon musk is also about to blast government waste into outer space as he gears up to lead the department of government for the period and he's giving us a sneak peek of what they are going to cut. why does our government need $1 million to study if cocaine makes japanese quail more promiscuous? as you see, donald trump gazing

at that large and beautiful rocket taking off in south texas, what goes through your mind? >> japanese quail? either way, elon musk has a great sense of humor. he's having his rocket takes off in boca chica which is spanish for smallmouth. i bet you didn't know that. that is why you come here. this is a great metaphor for this period of time. it is a symbolic moment for many of us for having new beginnings, we are charting a different path of positive path. it's an interesting contrast between private and public enterprise. musk is all about operating utmost efficiency, being lean, being effective. we are comparing that to the government -- which is all about being expansive. somehow being expansive means you are better. but it is not. it is not at all. but it creates is a bloated bureaucracy that becomes parasitic to the host. that is why d.o.g.e. is

necessary. he's trying to return us to the idea that the most efficient way of doing things is lean. he fired thousands of people from twitter. the result was a leaner better x that lost its echo chamber. you are -- your liver returning to normal after giving up booze. he looks at companies and goes why is the hr department larger than the salesforce? why are there more administrators on colleges than teachers? i think he is trying to show what you can do without any of this bloat. >> i don't believe they have dei at spacex. look at what we are witnessing. >> they are very efficient. they hire based on who can get the job done. to accomplish the dream that elon musk is done and do these incredible things which obviously donald trump was built an empire rebuilding the new york city skyline.

actually very much appreciates and understands that the government makes these things more difficult rather than easier. also there is a national security component to this. donald trump established the space for us during first term. that can be helpful. also there is the interesting component of them try to recycle some of the boosters that they use because of course in a private company, you have to use the money that you have. you don't get to spend like the government and abuse. you don't have more coming in the door just because you want to do a special project here and there. it's great that the president is there. i'm sure you will see elon musk as an advisor on what they can do in space moving forward. >> it does look like the rocket might be coming back down. >> chopsticks alert. >> caught in the chopsticks. >> i love this. this is the coolest thing about elon musk that he does things like this and that he has the vision and puts the right people in place to create something like this.

looking back, there are many autopsies as to what happened in the election. one of the most important factors was elon musk for trump. he spent $140 billion when all was said and done. the impact that he had especially in younger male voters as a sign of what entrepreneurialism can look like, what innovation can look like what a person who is neurodivergent and does a little bit in his own wacky way and is a massive success can do. i think it was a major selling points of that ticket that you were going to be getting the presence of someone like elon musk. there is stuff that i disagree with him about that we will see how much she will be able to cut through d.o.g.e. you need defense and social security if you are trying to take a bite out of the bloat. it is also. >> america's adventures into outer space, something that has been inspiring for the american people. >> is one of the things that

bring the american people together. trump started the space force during his first term. it is just inevitable that this marriage between musk and trump would occur given the fact that you know, musk was someone who, you know, has this incredible mind and, you know, is talking about actually colonizing mars. you know, we were the first to go onto the moon. with the idea that we would be able to actually colonize mars would be incredible. you know, trump is such a great entrepreneur that he sees the endless possibilities and the ambition and the drive and the success of someone likes nine. and he recognizes that musk has the ability to advantage of mankind. some of the people on the left are so upset because trump is there with musk and fire they together? we have to realize that musk is someone who benefits all of us

whether it is ukraine setting up star link or when boeing failed to be able to bring the astronauts back, musk stands upward during the hurricane setting of starlings. musk is someone who has done tremendous things for mankind. i'm very excited about this. i think the possibilities are endless. >> these things don't always go perfectly. there may be an issue with the catch. not everybody uses chopsticks as well as you do. >> the interesting thing about musk is for him, failure is a success. he fails every day. there are things that he does that doesn't work. some rockets crash. he learns from that and moves on. might i tie identity politics into this? you mentioned dei. one of the things that has really hurt government has been identity politics. if you have a human resource department that is so large and administrative component that is so big, they have to do something. we've got to keep them busy.

you have somebody taking care of latinx day. another in charge of history week and another scheduling the drag queens for story however. this is something that adds nothing to a company. he understands that. this is why i also believe he pretty much got rid of the entire marketing department for what is the name of the electric car company again? tesla. i'm going to be the marketing guide. he doesn't need that sort of stuff. this is the way old-school thinkers do the work. >> i believe we just watch the booster go into the ocean. it looks like elon musk is explaining what happens 45 and 47. >> they will have to retrieve it from there, not from the chopsticks this time. that's okay. sometimes it doesn't go always as planned but everyone is safe and they will have another wants to try to get through. in terms of the government, elon musk is going to be part of

donald trump's administration. he's been down at mar-a-lago giving advice and x giving his takes on who he thinks should work in the administration. he's had trouble with the administrative state through the interior department trying to get permits. he's having trouble getting them if you are a small business, if you are in a different field of business, you're going to have trouble with the federal government which is why he is so interested in being part of d.o.g.e. on the issue of cutting government waste, unless you are to go after their big "entitlement programs" it's gonna be difficult to get in the federal debt. i think it's a matter of respect for your citizenry. elon musk at madison square garden rally that all government spending is taxation. that is absolutely true. when you have a government spending a million dollars to see if cocaine makes japanese quail more promiscuous can answer reflection of the government how people taking money from the private sector who are working everyday to make

the money feels about their citizenry. that's about a basic respect. maybe a million dollars here, hundred million dollars they are. the pentagon not passing their audit, $800 billion. these things add up and it goes back to the principle of how much the government respects the people who are putting their money. >> is probably some kid in college that signed a contract to get free cocaine. they gave him the cocaine. there was not even a quail inside. >> you think there were no quails that were getting -- >> i think it went into the noses who claimed they were studying quail. >> who brought the cocaine into the white house? was it senator coburn who used to do the waste and abuse study? there were a lot of findings and that along similar lines as japanese quails after getting high. what is different about is that was kind of a pet project.

no pun intended about the quails for the senator versus something that is being prioritized. we are going to listen in. >> elon musk talking to president trump. >> sounds great. >> i love what he's saying. >> that was indecipherable let's go back to jessica tarlov. >> just what the audience really wants. we will listen to her. the point is that looking at these kinds of things whatever they are able to cut or not remains to be seen is obviously a priority of the administration versus something that was really a side issue. once a year, he will come out and say there are chickens on the treadmills at the nih. that is ridiculous. >> what do you think it is like to explain to the president that the rocket didn't catch the chopsticks? >> i think that the president is

so impressed already that he knows that this will if it does anything, it will increase his determination to make sure that he does it again and does it again until he gets it right. he is so advanced in the head of so many other people, other companies, it really is no surprise. he's not just shooting for their moan. he is shooting for mars i just think this is part of the process. research and development. the research and development it doesn't work and you do something else. but i think this whole idea about d.o.g.e. that we were talking about before is there is massive waste in government. there is massive fraud and massive corruption. there is an abuse, federal contractors are really exploiting the federal government. you can take haircuts across the board. vivek ramaswamy is talking about. there's a lot of federal contractors. remember with obamacare and when

everybody was trying to sign up for obamacare, there was $250 million for the website that crashed. i remember i had my own show back then. are we going to sue somebody for that $250 million? that was half a billion dollars. i we going to get that money back? we just say it is that people's money. who cares? i don't want to scare people and say we are going to have to go into the entitlements. there is a lot of fraud before we get into that. >> moments ago this basics booster landing in the ocean. this ship is coasting in space and will continue to post for reentry for the next 35 minutes. >> it will return back to the city of boca chica. >> what does that mean again? >> it could mean smallmouth but it could mean girl's mouth. i am bilingual, by the way. >> and for a shock after

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♪ ♪ >> the democrats are desperately on the hunt for a fresh new leader with old ideas and working class bona fides who can lead them out of the wilderness after a humiliating defeat. they might need a wider net. kamala harris is now the 2028 front runner. the word salad queen who fumbled the ball i couldn't articulate a single policy without telling us about her being a middle-class kid garnering 41% with

gavin newsom coming in second and katie couric is shredding vp harris and campaign interviews. >> i think she really did well in so many areas. i was frustrated by her by her inability to release this inkling answer questions at t time. people notice that. answer the [bleep] question, please. >> the party is full of advice on how to win back the working class that jobs the ship. >> when we have the historic perspective of workers leaving our parties and what we've a serious problem. >> this really is about how we get the party back to a winning position. we are not going to win the midterms. >> if you know like something that somebody is doing, why not go to that person about it and challenge them right then and there? so on these platforms.

>> it's been 2 weeks. is kamala harris going to get a third shot in 2028 from the democrats? >> this is usually how it goes. she is top of mind for everyone. it is more likely sniffing around the possibility of her running for california governor then coming back to do this. i think the 2020 primary is going to be full of very interesting characters with a lot of good stuff to run on. you saw that the dnc, people like josh shapiro, gavin newsom, people with great executive experience and records to show off. what i think was interesting to see today, dan osborne who was the independent candidate in nebraska, he narrowly lost a union leader by a navy veteran. someone who would not associate with either party at all lost a new group to get new working-class candidates on the ballot. that is the kind of energy that will be really good for the

democratic party. >> do we think they will learn anything about this deep dive to the left or run another san francisco liberal? >> i am curious to see what an actual democrat sounds like. i don't care what they look like. >> i am right here. >> you are. if you care about what they look like, she is still the problem. she's left-handed. she's a redhead. nominate rachel living. people want competence and common sense and centrism and some wisdom and power with empathy. for that you are going to have to bury identity politics. the goal with identity politics was to elevate specific groups that would then bind them together as a unified coalition. a melting pot without the melting. it turns out elevating the self doesn't pay the bills. people start to feel excluded when you see who you include. there are more commonalities

between different groups, believe it or not then between people of one group. there is actually data on that. i would love to share it with you but it is boring. the perfect candidate to do -- assume the best and not low worst intentions of the opposition. meaning you can tell us we are wrong but don't tell us we are evil. this has been the fatal flaw for the last 2 decades. you're not just wrong, you are evil. that means we can demonize you and call you names and all of these of demonization are on the table. i feel great when people tell me i am wrong. i like when they explain it to me. i know i can be wrong. i'm pretty sure i am not evil. shannon bream. >> i'm glad you know my left-handed political capital is gone. that is not great for me. wouldn't this be good for republicans if they decided to run her again? >> i hope they do nominate her

again. they don't really nominate losers. this not enter history. she is on vacation and going to hawaii with doug. they are popping bottles. i would get too excited. could she ever even win a primary? i don't know if she could. if you were a donor would you give money to the harris campaign again after they took it and gave it to oprah and alex officer ending go on grogan? even bill clinton said they are probably not going to run another again. that hurts. katie carey bothers me. same thing. she is critical after the fact. what good is that? this is when you should have been critical during this whole election. people to listen. that is what you have primary score. even around this table. it is trump really to say "she ain't black" or 5.5 hours at the rnc. he listens and you get better.

the democrats haven't had an open primary for a long time. they've had a cover up. that's why they didn't see this result coming. it's going to be good. next time you will have open primary. everybody will be taking shots at each other. we will have a nice healthy process. that is how it is supposed to work in a democracy, jessica. i believe that gavin newsom has the inside track. not because of his hair, he can raise a lot of money. he's a tall white guy. which they need, not my word, their words. [laughter] i'm going to stop there. >> i'm not sure that gavin newsom is a good representative for the working class. he has a lot of political capital. >> i think the issue in this segment is whether or not a failed presidential candidate and can for president and win. the answer is yes. but she is no donald trump. and that is the guy who ran a

loss and ran and won. but the big question is, the more she was on the campaign trail, though where she became. the more we saw of her. everybody was so happy when she first came out because she wasn't joe biden. she could actually walk on a stage and actually maneuver herself. but, you know, we don't know what the world is going to be like in 4 years. i don't know if we can predict who is going to be ahead. i think right now with kamala harris and 41% is because her name is out there right now. but they don't show in this is that the next candidate and with the next highest candidate at 16% is unsure. people i think are looking for someone else. gavin newsom at 8%. he never got involved in kamala's race. he was reserving himself.

she is beating him as of today. that is really today. and in the end, the democrats really have to analyze themselves and what they did. i don't know if they can sit there and say, let's see if we can get the working class back. no, you have to go where the working class are right now. they are not going to come to you because they are not buying what you're selling. they are not into this elitist concept of paying a hollywood elite to show up as though they are going to convince americans that this is the right person to vote for. everything about how they are thinking is not really relevant to what americans are thinking, especially working americans who are hungry and who have never before, i believe, felt as distanced from the democrat party and for good reason as they do right now. >> are we talking about 2028?

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♪ ♪ >> defenders of democracy getting caught red-handed trying to steal the senate seats. bob casey lost the senator elect dave mccormick where the state supreme court to count undated mail invokes after democrats brag about counting illegal ballots. >> we all know that precedent by a court it doesn't matter in this country and people violate laws anytime they want. for me, if i violate this law, it is because i want a court to

pay attention to it. there is nothing more important than counting votes. >> the argument for breaking this law is, why not try anything? there is no punishment other than being thoughts. why not do it? it would be a collaborator if you didn't cheat. this was incentivized by a system that has no punishment and also tells you that the person is able. >> a system that you are not allowed to question. democrats have been screaming about democracy and defending democracy. we want to defend democracy. it is kind of weird when democrats are against voter i.d. when they sue through the through the department of justice to put noncitizens back on the voter rolls. they know any restrictions. you have the governor of pennsylvania who is supposed to be the middle of the road normal

democratic taking days to come out and talk about this. finally he is forced to talk about it and says that the law is not clear when it comes to ballots. it is very clear which is what the supreme court talked about. you cannot count ballots on envelopes that do not have dates on them. it is clear. they put all this stuff out there. when there's questions about it, they accuse you of trying to take down democracy. in this case they are trying to follow the law. the supreme court said they were breaking. >> it seems the only reason they were caught is because we were watching this time. it makes you wonder about the other times. >> this is where i give a lot of credit to lara trump. one of the missions of the rnc was to be on top of what was going on in the state so there wouldn't be any of these shenanigans. this whole argument is an

example of politics and why the democrats lost of this election. why they lost the house and the senate and the oval. they don't believe in law and order. they don't believe that they are bound by the rules. you can say i don't care with the corpses. i am saying it to get the attention of the next court. know you are not. you are saying it because you want to count the votes. get the attention of the court. you already have the attention of the court. and then, he kept doing it. josh shapiro was, like, we don't want to disenfranchise people after the first decision. the second time, let's be clear on this. you cannot count the votes. if the envelope for the ballot and sells doesn't have a date on it. i think it is arrogance.

it is an example of how we got into this mess and why the democrats lost. >> is that true? you have one second to respond. speak no no. i win? in terms of behaving by the rules, let's take a trip down memory lane. factor 2020 when we spent months in a sea of election denial nihilism where the republicans led by donald trump who i think still thinks he was president through the last 4 years who brought lawsuits across the board in states like pennsylvania. dozens of them, and courts left those attorneys out of office. a lot of them have been charged. >> but i bet it is him and we can go before that was democrats who have dented a number. >> there is never been a president -- that was in -- the state triggers a recount at a certain level. it is within .5%. >> if you count the invalid

balance than you are within the number. >> there have been a number of courts who have validated this rule that bob casey is trying to argue. i'm not saying that bob casey won this race. he is going to the senate and bob casey loss. the court of appeals has ruled that you can can't balance that don't have the proper dating on the outside. bob casey lost this election. kamala harris lost this election. she conceded and joe biden sat down with him 20 minutes later. it's been a couple of hours shooting the breeze with -- was it wind or a breeze? you can't expect to be taken seriously saying the republicans are the ones that respect the rule. >> why didn't he concede? >> i think he should concede. i said, bob casey -- he just

conceded. he is lost for over a week. saying we've got to check. please, there is a recount because that's how the rules work. in florida and al gore conceded. >> speaking of undated, why do you think about this? >> i am dated. this is why you guys are so insufferable, jessica appearance rico do you mean women? so sexist. >> specifically liberal women. johnny interviews people in philadelphia and say -- turn out the vote. i don't remember if you remember, jessica. remember with the black panthers outside the polling station? remember the video of the poll watchers being denied access to the count rooms? i can go on and on about pennsylvania. it's not a conspiracy. that was on video just like everything else i just ment mentioned. then you have a county

commissioner, not just some guy harvesting. this is an elected official who is supposed to have integrity who is supposed to follow the law. she is out there saying i will do what i want. i don't care if it violates the constitution. count and illegal ballot. that is what makes us not trusted. it makes us look like the fraud is embedded in the electoral process. in the county commissioners. do you know who is going to get rich? marc elias. he was as ruthless as you are, jessica. >> he is way more ruthless than i am. >> i am the opposite of ruthless. i am ruth. alvin bragg is the pause button on his bogus case. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> the resistance is alive and well. d.a. alvin bragg announcing that trumps conviction will be pause until 2029 when the president-elect will be out of office. his defense plans a motion for dismissal once and for all. team trump is calling it "a total and definitive victory for president trump and the american people who elected him in a

landslide. i will start with you. the district attorney alvin bragg he was up for reelection writes a letter to the judge. as far as i am concerned, we intend to impose the prosecutions -- we intend to impose the defendant's motion to dismiss. what we want to do since the appeals cannot be finished in a timely manner, we want to move this case until 2029 when the president is no longer an office. ethan's team is calling that a victory. is it a victory? >> i think a dismissal right now will be a victory. to hang that over his head for . i urge the district attorney to reconsider. >> the district attorney is running and will not reconsider.

>> lawfare may be dying off. as a new yorker, what bothers me is like you said, he's favor to win reelection. this is after a deranged maniac a repeat offender with 8 priors murdered three people yesterday morning at 8:00 a.m. in midtown and lower manhattan. move freely with a huge steak knife. killed three people. this person would not have been on the street. alvin bragg has more blood on his hands and all of ms-13. what kills me most about new york as we all have friends that are liberal and we talk to them. even jessica. the disconnect between what happens on the street and voting is so vast. i have a friend of mine who complains all day about crime and homelessness and real estate. he has to deal with it. still most liberal down the line. it drives me crazy.

how can this guy still be in power? >> alvin bragg is not going to drop the case. if there is a hearing before the inauguration, should the judge who is conflicted from the beginning of this case, the money she made, should the judge dismissed the case based on a motion to vacate after the verdict? >> i think i am supposed to say yes to that. can i just say, there is a difference between saying i am going to continue to vote for liberals and drawing a distinction between the kind of liberals that you are voting for. the new d.a. in los angeles who has a tough on crime platform or the mayor of san francisco that is coming in and campaigned on this is unacceptable. the idea that we are going to convert to the other side is far-fetched. you can find people within the party who have a more mode

moderate -- >> that was the question. >> i just said. he's not going to wipe it away. it's not going to exist. it's not going to be a thing. i don't think trump is staying up at night worrying about this. >> alvin bragg is up for reelection next year. new yorkers have a choice to make. >> new yorkers are notably liberal. unfortunately, it does not to their benefit. "the fastest post quote is up next.

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what is going on. watch this dude get way too close to a bear. [indistinct] >> only men would do that. >> this makes me actually very angry. when people do stupid stuff like this, the animal ends up having to get taken out. this causes problems. that is not fair. this is darwinism. it was a black bear, not a grizzly bear. i don't like it. you are putting the fear in a position where it will be euthanized. speaking of the black bears are the ones if you yell they get scared. that would never bite me. >> they might. >> i don't know why we have to bring up race, but okay. i also take offense to this set up. this is not a male thing.

do a cursory search of humans who died while taking so please. i'm pretty sure that stupidity knows no gender. technology is overwriting our sense of survival. we want to get payments to a selfie and we put our lives at risk. they were wanted to get a picture of a bear of way at the woman will stand at the edge of a canyon. >> or a guy. >> that is my point. >> thank you. >> now that we are on the same page. >> i was on a boat in texas shooting gators. we were doing target practice. it fell down and we had to put it back out. he jumped out of the fan boat and started marching through the marsh like this while there is gators and snakes all over the place. we all thought it was hilarious. he kept tripping and falling inmate at 3300 yards then came back. we filmed it. it was funny when we watched it

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