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♪ ♪ >> steve: it is a rainy day midtown manhattan. tell 8:00 new york city 2024, welcome to "fox & friends." daniel penny and corp that why is the d.a. focused on prosecuting a good samaritan? a career criminals as we have told you are sometimes allowed to roam the streets. just pick a good question and illegal migrant jose ibarra will spend life in prison after convicted of the brutal murder of laken riley. >> never should have happened, but it did because of bad policies of this administration,

which is quite honestly, outrages. but i am thankful justice was swift here appeared to be when gap, plus, it was doge but crypto's are and how changing washington and staying up at the times. >> lawrence: this is true the final hour of "fox & friends" starts now. ♪ ♪ >> steve: fox news alert, in two hours 10:00 eastern time daniel penny manslaughter trial will resume with forensic half villages to the stand. so questions remain as to whether the marine veteran will testify in his own defense. >> ainsley: cb cotton outside of the new york supreme court, hey, stevie. >> hi, good morning daniel penny does not testify in his own defense, penny 25 minute taped interview with the place no wait time the jurors have heard directly from marine veterans

that did not know jordan neely died when he waved her miranda rights to speak with the place right after the incident. >> i'm not trying to -- like i'm not trying to kill anyone. i'm just trying to make the de-escalation of the situation. >> so, defense team may choose to rest the case after calling the pathologist today. earlier this week they called character witnesses to include his mom who said her son was empathetic and passionate in a forensic psychiatrist gave jurors insight about jordan neely's mental health struggles leading up to what executors argue was penny's reckless choke hold on neely. they testified neely showed a dozen hospitalizations for schizophrenia or k2 abuse, k2

k240-50 times more powerful than marijuana. with janet neely had schizophrenic episode last year just before penny play neely in a choke hold. during the prosecution's case the medical examiner said that choke hold was, indeed, what killed neely after the defense offered up explanations for neely's death like his mental condition or drug use. back to you. >> steve: cp, if daniel penny does not take the stand in his defense, i think i heard on the radio that there is a possibility they may place some of or all of that interview he had with the police after the incident. >> well, steve, i definitely think it is a possibility. we are in touch with penny's defense team and they are keeping the cards close as to whether the marine veteran himself will take the stand. but if they do play at 25 minute

video that penny had with the police, it will be insightful for jurors because it gives them insight into penny's mind after the incident where he said multiple times he was not intending to kill jordan neely. >> brian: you can see the whole thing and to me, i'm not a lawyer but so comprehensive and so real, goes to bat for his approach why he was doing it. he talked about being on the subway and here's this guy yelling. he realize it's getting dangerous and he's talking about killing people. he takes his airpods out and enhance his phone to somebody and says hold onto this for me. at that to do something. that is the approach and the cops, in my view were not releasing you are a hero and fill out this report. they seem to be asking probing questions to see if he had an angle and wanted to attack

somebody, which may be that is their approach. but i think in retrospect you never want to sit down without a lawyer for 30 minutes, especially when it revolves around the death of somebody. >> ainsley: always have legal counsel there. you have to take this entire situation into full context. they allow people deranged all over the streets of new york. >> brian: like jordan neely. >> ainsley: they have the prosecutors that are allowed to roam the streets. demonized and cops don't want to do their job anymore. what are we supposed to do? he is on trial for being the person who will step in to protect the citizens. law enforcement should have been able to do it. this guy should have been in a medical facility. he's trying to do the right thing here. who will keep us safe if civilians can't do it and cops can't do it and be as won't do it? do we allow these people to roam the streets now? >> steve: you make a good point because in the future if he is found guilty or reliable,

in the future will step up hey, i can stop that person from beating up that old lady, but i might get in trouble. people will stop! because that goes to show you the system of justice in new york. >> "the new york post" has a great article today talking about this, talking batman backstab three people. we had mental issues and bellevue men's shelter and the professionals that work with him so his deterioration it says in this article. says he left rikers, the maximum-security prison on rikers island and eight months for burglary and assault the. the same day he was charged again. it says in may he has felt a corrections officer during his last sentence while treated at bellevue psychiatric ward. they mention another guy carl pushed a committed to their death in front of the subway while out on bond after not

showing up in court twice. stephen hutchinson was another one releasing court for a prior charged two weeks before stabbing. >> brian: mentally deranged and said no room for them, no place for them to go so they let them out here to think about the contrast of the two. one at killed three people in a beautiful area of new york. rested, no problem after he already kills. one guy see something going wrong, acts on it, and he's fighting for his freedoms and looking at 20 years behind bars. >> ainsley: this is so stupid. we have migrant shelters all over the place and we have hotel that are full that paying maximum price force, and we have people a threat to society that we can't house because we don't have any beds? >> ainsley: still makes me when you know what it is, the priorities of this administration and previous administrations have opened the doors and people in bellevue should not be out on the street.

how many are out on the street right now? we have a great interview with the doctor a former police department guy in new york city and army that talk a little bit about danny penny. watch. >> this is clearly missed heritage of justice because an individual standing up for peope and that subway car that didn't have the ability to protect themselves. so when we look at the treva g there treva steve senna by manhattan b.a. in prosecuting mr. penny, it begs the question what are we doing to uphold the social contract? it is clear it is not working we have crime off the rails in new york city but looking at focusing on low level aspects of prosecuting someone that is a stand-up citizen. when you look at new york city which is a sanctuary city, they are more focused on supporting the migrant population illegally enters the city of new york and not focusing on the mental health crisis that is deteriorating the city of

new york. we are under siege. something needs to be done as it relates to the people suffering from mental health crisis, but nothing is being turned by the city. >> brian: please, they are bringing race into this, which is economically stupid. >> lawrence: there was a black person who held them down as well, okay? don't give us this was a racial animus era to the question is why did you charge mr. penny who put him and the choke hold and not charged a black resident that also pin him down? >> steve: because he was cooperating with the police. >> lawrence: exactly, exactly. >> brian: by the way he was wanting to be an architect and going downtown to go to class from long island. he wanted to be an architect after serving in the marines. that is what he is guilty of. >> ainsley: yesterday, i follow crime and i was watching laken riley case as you well have been interested in that and we want her to have justice.

>> brian: hyper-speed the whole case. >> ainsley: she was murdered in february this through through the courts. the judge sentenced him and found 20 minutes to find him guilty on all counts of the death of laken riley and he never changed his facial expression. jose ibarra after all these years piled up two life sentences without possibility of parole and never getting out of prison. >> steve: in his defense through pretty much everything else there, the including his thumbprint and his dna under her fingernails was syrup to make circumstantial inconclusive, his brother, batman right there whon apartment with him could have done it. said the brother is taller and more athletic and jose, the guy convicted yesterday your and chubby and she could outrun him. but the judge listened to all of the year or two it was a bench trial instead of a jury because they would not get a change of

region because they did not want that to bathe the jury pool. put the judge listened to all that they and this is a slam-dunk, easy case, guilty, guilty, guilty. >> brian: here is the governor of georgia. >> this hits close to home as marty and the girls live in athens, georgia. we know that judge, deputy standing in the courtroom. we know the phillips and rileys family is senior at university georgia. when i was on campus, we were in the area where lakin riley lost her life and i can't tell you how many times. it is a bittersweet day and a tragic event as colleagues have been saying should have never happened. but it did because of bad policies of this administration, which is quite honestly, outrageous. i am glad that it was swift and the judge move quickly.

>> brian: president biden has not called for the white house to wait and that i know what except for us to in the state of the union. marjorie taylor greene yelled out what about laken riley? he mispronounced it that president biden easily completed his office -- they were saluting abortion queen and gave her an award. they could have easily had another email out to say, "we watched the dramatic incident of lakin riley and her heart goes out to them." but they don't seem interested. speech and i'm shocked and we have an election where this is number two issue in the country spoke up in 60% of the country once mass deportations now. there is a clear view where we stand as a country and unified on this issue pretty much. but all the liberal mayors and governors have not changed their position at all. we don't care that the focus at this. we will double down. >> ainsley: they showed the body cam footage and court of laken riley's family on the side of the road finding out she had

died and the mom is saying, is she alive? it's my daughter, is she alive? and then you hear from donald trump, like you said, untruth shows to make social in our hearts will be with you and it's time to remove these criminals so nothing like this can happen again. and then the mayor of denver, mike johnston is saying we will maintain sanctuary city status and we are not going to put up with mass deportations from donald trump in january. illegals are allowed to stay here, and we will protect them. >> brian: look at this clown, he says this, the denver police department at the county line to keep them out and you would have 50,000 denver rights and that tiananmen square with a gun. everyone of those moms who came out for the migrants. and you do not want to mess with them. really? you think a lot of those moms like the laken riley trail my daughter stays in danger mark

and you see what is allowed to happen to sanctuary city per capita? the most overrun city with immigrants in the country! and this guy is standing behind it. you talk to him. >> lawrence: steve, we talked to the mayor a few months ago and i had a great interview. we were confused and actually reach to come on the program again and hopefully he will come on tomorrow and explain because he told us this before. it looks like he changed his position. watch. >> at what point does your city reach its breaking point questioning. >> i think our city is pretty close to its breaking point now. we talk to leaders in d.c. around the country why they didn't take action. i think we had success rewelcomed 40,000 miners and we know what this takes to do successfully and we need federal dollars but the most important thing is we need work authorization for folks when they arrive and we need the sources at the border to have

more security at the border. >> ainsley: why the change in heart? is it because he got backlash the interview? >> steve: what did he ask for right there? we need more stuff at the border obviously to process more people coming in and timber needed more money to house more migrants. so ultimately to your larger point, lorenz, talking about the election, elections have consequences across the country and big towns like this said, you know what, they are sick of this and we have to fix it. if you are not going to fix it, mayors, fill in the point, we will get someone in there that will. spam and i think it will be continuing to be well there welcomed, big open heart city we will not change our values. >> ainsley: we will not sell out our values and pledged to keep protecting illegals. speech i. >> lawrence: hope he comes on tomorrow. i want to understand the

evolution. this could not kimura for us to his city so why now the change? right now when you have administration that comes in and says i want to work with democrats and get this problem resolved, why is he being so vocal like this? >> steve: the top of that sound bite played with you and he and the chambers and temper, he said, the city is close to the breaking point. i have news for him, it's broken. joe. >> ainsley: we start with illegal criminals. criminals in our country? >> brian: if we can't get the mayors, let's get elway back. >> ainsley: they haven't learned anything. donald trump swept this election because of common sense. illegal criminals! >> steve: are you suggesting politicians have common sense? because i can get the fox news alert animation ready. dispute it will make. >> ainsley: there are a few of them. j.d. vance on the hill after

second day of selling lawmakers of the cabinet. >> brian: attorney general matt gaetz made the rounds with key senators. >> lawrence: alexis mcadams and west speech home florida. >> no surprise to people at home this might be uphill battle for matt gaetz. there's been lots of controversy surrounding him with lots of allegations denied for months, but the former president, nap president-elect trump not surprised by the attacks on matt gaetz and still wants him made to be the top cop in the united states. this is what the radical left those, they pick you up, try to ruin you, dirty you up, spit you out. but matt gaetz has its going well on capitol hill. listen. speak of the senators are giving good advice. i'm looking forward to a good hearing. folks have been very supportive

with a fair process in it's a great day of momentum for the trump-vance administration. >> he's trying to remain positive as he walks around capitol hill. in a d.c. meeting with republican senators. he is the pick for ag and jdf j.d. vance focused on what he can to get him confirmed which is a directive from the house ethics committee to discuss for several hours behind closed doors deciding to not release the reports over allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use which he has denied. >> the chairman has essentially suggested that there was agreement of the members of the committee which most definitely there was not. >> okay, as that continues there as they try to figure out what is going on with matt gaetz, the 15 for secretary whitens. three names according to the reports and that is kevin warsh, former member of the federal reserve's board of

governors, mark brown went, the private giant x apollo global management which would give a role in a major voice for major policies for private markets. and out trump's looking more seriously at another man, republican senator from tennessee bill hagerty, experience with trump and private equity investor but also the ambassador to japan and a top contender right now. ryan, you said there could be four but three names in the mix but another when added to, who knows. and other in another person would be whipped out policies. this is a new position trump would want expert in cryptocurrency and talked about quite some time and the crypto markets with bitcoin going out of the rep right now so a lot of people paying close attention to that pick, you guys. >> brian: tales from the crypto, thanks so much. scott bessent too. the other thing pete hegseth

according to the people has arrived with j.d. vance in the building. he will make his rounds today selecting senators. >> thereby attend? >> lawrence: it is not new to him when concerned veterans and on the capital all the time so he knows a lot of people so good luck to him. speed when he go deep with all of this stuff. and a good communicator as we all know. >> 20 minutes after the top of the hour and illegal immigrant found guilty of killing georgian nursing student, laken riley. the victims family go to of course, heartbroken. >> he made the choice to take her life. he showed no mercy when she was begging for her life.

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director, christopher wray. he is addressing the committee and security on worldwide threats taking place right now and what they are trying to combat. homeland security alejandro mayorkas to take questions as well. that will likely drum up a debate president electrons acting mass deportation plan on his first day in office. the president-elect open to declaring a national emergency for this using military assets to organize such an effort. illegal immigrants with criminal records, excuse me, will be priority according to incoming porters are, tom homan. according to source data, bill melugin, so far this fiscal year there have been 194,000 got a ways. 1.8 million known cutaways under the biden-harris administration and the impact the border has had on drug smuggling has been a plaguing concern likely brought up today so far this year jill 61,000 tats attributed to fentanyl.

president-elect trump has nominated kristi noem to replace alejandro mayorkas and called the southern border a war zone. further outside of the borders but too close for comfort that threats coming from china and iran. likely up for discussion as they pertain to make pertain to critical infrastructure. steve, back to you. just before the hearing is at 10:00 you will see it on fox. alex, thank you very much. also this morning code justice for laken riley, as the illegal migrant was sentenced yesterday because he murdered her now sentenced to life the name parts. her heartbroken mother spoke out periods he said this. >> this sick, twisted, evil coward should never regard human life. your honor, i'm asking you to give jose ibarra the same thing he gave us when he made the choice to take iran's life and

destroy ours. he showed no mercy on laken who was begging for her life. >> steve: it is hard to watch. it is open border policies like these that help cost democrats the election. post columnist miranda devine points us right now. miranda, that was hard to watch but so many families across the united states impacted by by crime like this and the administration is like it is not that big of a problem, it would seem. >> yes, steve. it really is a striking lack of empathy or concern for the victims and their families. everybody else who lives here in fear of the same thing happening to them and their loved ones. you heard yesterday and that heartbreaking scene in the courtroom. laken riley's friends who are the same age as her, young,

early 20 students character they said they felt themselves scared to go out. they lost their peace of mind. they lost their best friend. and they are also in fear and had ptsd themselves peer to that is the ripple impact across the entire community of these crimes. you know, of course, the riley family is suffering the most terrible heartache. so, nothing from joe biden. donald trump met with the families of these victims during the campaign and even before the campaign. he genuinely showed empathy for them regardless of the politics. and kamala harris couldn't even bring herself to admit he was a border czar and explain why she never did anything to stop this influx of illegal aliens.

>> steve: regarding that influx of illegal migrants and we have seen millions of them come into our country over the last almost four years, miranda, they broke into the country. then, the biden administration essentially invited them then. you broke the rules but you will have your day in court and we will figure this all out. you would think if they invited somebody in, they would be at least one ground rule. you break any laws and get convicted if anything, you are back. they are no second chances. you are coming back. if that would happen what we sell yesterday in the courtroom in georgia even for a fact he had a long, criminal record, that would not have happened by him. >> that would not have happened, as you said, he broke into the country and found his way probably taxpayer-funded to new york, which is a sanctuary city. was put up in the roosevelt

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british supplied long-range missiles. overnight the biden administration approved transfer of antipersonnel mines to ukraine. these are seen by the russians as crossing redline, prompting officials and he has with misaligned drone attacks. a missile civilian emergency response center to see how ukrainian's preparing for the attacks. the mayor says the defense around kiev is working well but that ukraine is fighting for survival. >> almost three years later more than a thousand days into the conflict and impatient, how would you describe the current state question work. >> it is difficult to explain. i have a feeling one with long, long, long day and we are fighting to survive. we are fighting for the future to be a part of the team and be a part of the democratic or. this is difficult time because we want everything to be strong. russians have a strong position.

>> today was the first snowfall this winter in the ukrainian capital. but as a reminder as russia continues to target the country's power grid, they are serious consequences to those actions, brian aaron chose. >> brian: right, we understand the long-range missiles have been used from the u.k. as well as the atacms from the u.s. is that right, trait? they have long-range missiles into southern russia and seen as a redline for the russians and the media speculating this could lead to broader conflict and i asked ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy in the interview this week and he said, it is a larger conflict and the north koreans are fighting on the ground and iranians supplying missiles, brian. >> brian: we have got your back when we take over and will be in the majority but disturbing as yesterday when the

icc issued a warrant for former defense minister gallant and prime minister benjamin netanyahu. how is that playing in israel but you are here but your contacts are strong there? >> they are talking to people in israel this morning getting some reaction to this announcement by the international criminal court. the icc has issued arrest warrants for israel's former minister and the current prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they are alleging that two individuals participated in war crimes but interestingly an issue of an arrest warrant the leader of hamas somber brigades but what is important, he is data, brian. >> brian: almost all of them are dead so we will see where it goes from here. it legitimizes it perhaps. stay safe. ainsley. >> ainsley: thank you so much, brian to another alert at 10:00

eastern time, marine veteran daniel penny's manslaughter trial will resume in new york city with defense calling forensic pathologist at the stand. we still don't know if penny will testify but the former prosecutor and "the five" cohost, judge jean pareto, i don't know how you are doing it. you are burning the candle that you are an expert on this. let's talk about the shrink that testified for the prosecution. they said chronic drug use, sickle cells, history of psychotic episodes and abusing marijuana. did that all contribute? it absolutely contributed to. what is interesting about this case every prosecution witness has provided evidence that defense can use on their behalf. said this team has done a great job pulling from the prosecution case evidence that will help their case. that shrink comes out, the

psychiatrist, sorry, he comes out and says, "i have never seen a worst case of psychosis in my 16 years at bellevue." this guy was a highly, highly drug and hearing voices, audible, facial hallucinations. when he tied it into the jordan neely was saying on the train, he said in the midst of a psychotic episode. so, that everyone on the train should have been frightened. danny penny recognized the danger to the people in the train. he said he was going to kill people. danny penny was a marine and the amazing part of it, we are hearing more and more about danny penny. this guy was a player and along a length symphony for two years. he was a very zen guy. this is not a wild the guy. he got accommodation awards when he was in the marines for humanitarian efforts.

we are seeing that danny penny that alvin bragg is trying to put in jail as an individual who was a caring, helpful, individual. >> ainsley: meanwhile racing all the resources on this trial when we have repeat criminals running out on the street. the staffing, that guy a long the record to. >> he committed a crime last week. they started with cashless bail and sits at the hands of the democrats, ashley, ainsley. the truth is when they said we arrest somebody, we will let them out because they basically sent to conew yorkers and un-american. you are at risk and we are not blocking these people up anymore. you are on your own. we have people like danny penny has been and the rest of the country is saying, my god! this guy is a hero! when alvin bragg is interested only in the politics and the

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to we will have a all-american christmas tree lighting. will the weather cooperate? stay tuned. we are getting a mix of cold rain and snow. we have cold air across the west. we have two storm systems californian for northwest bringing incredible amounts of rain and mountain snow and system across ohio valley to link at the next couple of days. over one-third of rain and feet of snow, flash flood risk and this is serious so a way to get the watches and warnings and across the ohio valley to the northeast. it will be yucky on and off in the northeast from now until the weekend. fox weathered outcome for the latest details. we might have a window of opportunity for the tree lighting and i'm crossing my fingers, lj because a lot of people are like j.b. better make sure the weather is good for the tree lighting. >> lawrence: no one ever says good job to the weather folks. i am saying good job.

>> i love you, thank you, my friends, the best. speech and now to the trail quadruple murder bryan kohberger said he can face ultimate, chanley painter with the story. >> death penalty on the table despite the defense throwing every legal argument imaginable at the judge hoping to spare their client who turns 30 today by the way from the death penalty if convicted of being the monster prosecutor say stab to death for couniversity idaho students. two years ago this month. the defense has long sought to remove the death penalty in several filings and argued in a hearing earlier this month the death penalty goes against temporary c standards of decency and it is cool and violates international treaty prohibiting the torture of prisoners. but the judge disagreed pointing

that capital punishment is constitutional and legal in the state of idaho. this comes as the defense filed a 160 page motion this week to suppress much of the evidence in the case, including the defendant's dna allegedly found at the scene. this trial is expected to begin in august, lawrence. >> ainsley: that is a hey hail mary, thanks, chanley painter. on a mission to save your taxpayer money. that is next. ♪ ♪

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>> brian: senate hearings on the threat to the homeland have been post paneled. mayorkas and wray are refusing to have public testimony. president-elect trump working to narrow down a treasury secretary as we learn he is eyeing a potential crypto czar for the first time seeking an expert to focus on crypto currency policy. is that a good idea? here with what that could be and what a treasury secretary would be like we have kevin oh lear owe here. what's the problem filling this seat? it seems to be be deviling the trump team. >> it is a very big deal.

they work together with commerce. we need to get someone who balances the economy and not just about large companies. the chips and other government support during the pandemic did not go to family businesses in america. we need someone who understands that. hagerty understands that. i know him, of course i will be an advocate for him. it is a crucial position, really big deal. >> brian: do you think wall street will embrace the tariffs and some of the things when you pick up the phone are they excited about this? >> yes, they are excited specifically against china. balance. you have to deal with canada, mexico and europe. we have tariffs. that's okay. china we're at economic war with. a huge advocate for turning up the heat there and getting them to the table so they are part of the rules that they agreed to play by in 1999 when they joined it up with t.o. these guys cheat, steal,

everybody knows it and time to hold them accountable. >> brian: the crypto czar he went to silicone valley, impressed what he heard and saw and looking at crypto czar brooks, armstrong, two people whose names come up to pick somebody. your thoughts about this. >> i agree with him. brian, his company is under litigation from the fcc. stop this. this is technology that affects all 11 sectors of the economy provides efficiency and digital payment systems and need to be competitive worldwide. we need a czar here and start making decisions, is it a commodity or security? pick one and go with it. we have to pick it. we haven't done that yet. >> brian: 40 seconds. your thoughts doge writing an editorial talking about their approach and channel and inform america can they are cutting. can they get 2 trillion out of

the budget? >> yes. why wouldn't you want doge. let's be transparent when we make economic decisions. stop letting bureaucrats do it. we stopped shipping natural gas to germany? some bureaucrat decided that? congress should decide. transparency for the people. what's wrong with that? >> brian: nothing. i would look to see us maximize oil and gas. good news, xl pipeline as soon as president trump takes over they'll get out and start putting it together again from canada. thank you so much. >> take care. >> brian: he would be a good guy for treasury secretary. that's it for us today. catch me on the brian kilmeade show that starts from 9:00 to noon. now it's time to go to two very important people. >> john: daniel penny set to arrive at new