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president-elect trump as questions grow about who will take the place. welcome back to "america reports." i'm sandra smith in new york. >> john: sandra, good to be with you. john roberts in washington. the search is on again for a new attorney general and the incoming trump administration. alexis mcadams now live from west palm beach, florida. what are you hearing from the trump team on this, alexis? >> hi, john. well, i am just hearing from the trump team that they are pretty busy right now over in mar-a-lago as they try to look through some other options, right, because there was that short-list, and now here in palm beach, florida, it goes back to the drawing board. i just got off the phone with a member of the trump transition team. they wanted to make one thing very clear, john. they said that this was the decision of former representative matt gaetz. they said he came to this decision on his own, but it's crazy how things change in washington, d.c. it was just hours ago that gaetz said he was confident, walking around the halls in capitol hill with a smile on his face, saying things are going pretty well,

and today he dropped out. watch. >> the senator has been giving me a lot of good advice. looking for to a hearing. folks have been very supportive. they say we're going to get a fair process, so it's a great day of momentum for the trump-vance administration. >> okay, so what was that advice he got, though, that led to this decision? we are working to figure that out. matt gaetz withdrawing his name is attorney general saying his path to confirmation has become too big of a distraction. that decision comes as allegations of sexual misconduct and illicit drug use were swirling around matt gaetz, all things he is denied. trump posted this on truth social, saying "i greatly appreciate the recent efforts of matt gaetz in seeking approval to be ag. he was doing very well, but at the same time did not want to be a distraction for this administration, for which he has much respect. matt has a wonderful future and i look forward to watching all of the great things he will do." so going back to what's next, right, because what does this mean over in washington, d.c.?

what does this mean for the trump transition that was moving along at a pretty quick clip? well, there is still a lot going on. we are waiting for the treasury secretary role to be announced. there's three names at the top right now, looking closely to bill haggerty, who used to work with him, republican senator from tennessee, but specifically the attorney general information, a lot of different names like todd blanche, people might remember him from trump's trials in new york city. he was behind him and all of the press conferences and back here live it could be number 2 right now, and ag role, already picked for the nomination process, could elevate him so that could be a top pick, todd blanche, working to get more information on that. >> john: number two, just a quick step to number one, right? we will see what happens. senator mike lee's name also being kicked around, alexis mcadams in beautiful florida, thank you. >> sandra: i.c.e. officials announcing the arrest of two illegal migrants charged with raping children in

massachusetts. a blue state where they have vowed to resist preside president trump's immigration crackdown. >> if the trump administration request it, would massachusetts state police assist in mass deportations? >> no, absolutely not. >> john: and the governor of massachusetts not the only democrat vowing to defy trump's deportation plan. >> sandra: national border control council president paul perez is just moments away. >> john: fox team coverage, jeff paul on new reporting that the biden administration is letting migrants skip in-person check-ins. >> sandra: but first senior correspondent mike toobin on those arrests out of massachusetts. so mike, did the government have contact with these men beforehand? >> you know, sandra, all of them had been in contact with the government, and in different ways, they all walked away free. first is a guatemalan charged with rape of a child by force and battery against a child.

i.c.e. says he entered illegally said number 24th 2020 and was released with a notice to appear before a judge. he was a arrested for the alleged rape of a child februar. dating are ignored so he walked away. brazilian man was picked up in massachusetts november 18th. he was convicted of raping a child in brazil and sentenced to 14 years so he fled to the u.s., entering illegally in new mexico in 2022. he was released with a notice to appear, so he was a fugitive until last monday. a third case is a 40-year-old colombian men charged with raping a child, in the u.s. since 2016 but did not leave when his visa ran outcome in his case the i.c.e. detainer was honored so he is now in custody. a former i.c.e. supervisors as these are the kind of people who will be targeted by the new administration. >> these are removable aliens who we are going out to with a removal order and that is what these mass deportations are going to be.

>> and we have a new case out of buffalo just a short time ago, the enforcement removal office of i.c.e. out of buffalo announced that he fugitive wanted for murder in the dominican republic was picked up and is now being held, pending removal proceedings. sandra? >> sandra: mike tobin out of chicago for us, thank you. >> john: sandra, t the biden administration is quietly loosening immigration policies before trump takes office, this according to "the new york post." it reports the administration is testing a new app that will allow illegal migrants to bypass in-person check-ins at their local i.c.e. office. jeff paul is live with more, and it sounds like they are just giving donald trump one more thing to undo. >> well, john, we do know the biden administration has been testing this new immigration and customs app, and the idea is to streamline the check-in process for migrants, allow them to use their phones or computers to touch base with immigration officials while they wait for their date in court, instead of

appearing for those check-ins in person. now a source tells fox news i.c.e. has been using the app already in a couple of cities but according to "the new york post," it's going to be launched officially next month in new york city. the field office there reportedly has been overwhelmed, fully booked with appointments for a year. our sources tell us that is really the push to get this backlog moved through. the concerns regarding this app, obviously it is a new app, so there's going to be some glitches. the other wider concern is it could it cause even more migrants to go under the radar? we will have to see what happens. john? >> john: all right, jeff paul for us, thank you. >> sandra: let's bring in paul perez, national border patrol council president. first off, on the plans you have heard so far, considering the escalation in this migrant crisis in this country, are we talking about the right things here? >> unfortunately, this administration, you would think with the mandate that

president trump won with, which was border security, you would think they would be doing something about it, and what we are hearing now is there making it easier for these people to fly under the radar and disappear. it's just another thing, like somebody said, that trump is going to have to undo on day one and make sure we can have access to go after these criminals. >> sandra: i mean, we've had multiple elected officials say we are going to stop this incoming president's efforts to deport people who should not be here. some of them criminals, obviously. the incoming president has noted. this is the denver mayor's plan to defy trump's deportation plans. we can throw it up on the sc screen. more than us having dpd stationed at the county line to keep them out, you would have 50,000 denver rights there. it's like the tiananmen square moment with the rows and the gun, right? everyone of those moms who came out for the migrants, and you did not want to mess with them. how do you respond to that from

the denver mayor? >> look, it is foolish. you are putting the security of your community at risk by -- especially when they are talking but people i.c.e. is going to go get from the jails, from the county jails all across the country. it is going to be targeted enforcement at first, so when you are talking about protecting criminals, criminals that have committed a multitude of crimes across the country, what does that say to your constituency? i seriously doubt the constituency there is going to support some thing like this, especially when i.c.e. officers under president trump are coming into take these criminals out of our country. they should have never been here in the first place. i would hope that he was able to pay attention to the criminal trial for the killer of laken riley, to see everything that their family went through. those crimes shouldn't be happening, and he is just protecting those types of people. >> sandra: you know, then you look, speaking of protecting the right types of people, what about these children that are

going on accounted for? once they enter the country, and enter into potentially really dangerous, horrific situations and conditions. you look back at when trump was in the white house and you had democrats going down to the border, they were crying for the treatment of children. well, this is tiffany burris sarah -- this is an exchange that happened yesterday on the mishandling of unoccupied children, listen. >> are you familiar that in that report it revealed children were out by their aunt, it turns out the onto wasn't even there on. are you familiar with that story that was in there? >> there are a number of incidents that were reported in that florida report. some of them i can probably recall better than others. some of them i would challenge and dispute, but that when i don't remember. >> do you remember a teenage

girl in a house with unknown men with no private bedroom for her. are you familiar with the sponsors that utilize a strip club in jacksonville as an address for where this child, where a child, child should be settled? >> congressman, as i said, i don't have the information on that florida grand jury report in front of me. i certainly can go back and take a look at it and try to get back to you. >> sandra: is it defensible that xavier becerra wouldn't have read the report and known those incidents were in it? and that these children are in danger and in jeopardy? >> completely indefensible. not only secretary becerra but secretary mayorkas, who also testified before congress that he didn't know a lot of what they were talking about when they were talking about the cartel bracelets and everything going on. how are you running an organization, how are you running an agency, and you don't know exactly what's going on in that agency? and i get it, these are big

agencies, but this is involving children. this is involving on a company minors. this involving people crossing the border under this administration, it's a complete invasion. how are you not aware of what is going on in your own agency? it's indefensible, inexcusable, they need to be held accou accountable. >> sandra: officials and putting the denver mayor, the l.a. councilman, all just saying they're going to resist, resist, resist the incoming president's efforts to clean up this mess. thank you very much -- >> they can try peered. >> sandra: they can try. thank you. john? >> john: the man accused of murdering four university of idaho students back in 2022 has begun fighting to take the death penalty off the table in his trial. what a judge has ruled on the motion coming up. plus this. >> we shouldn't have laws that only help criminals, that doesn't make anyone say. i think progressive prosecutors need to know they are on notice, that most of us do not want those type of prosecutors.

>> sandra: growing outrage over career criminals freely roaming the streets in blue cities. rafael mangual says the election results show people have had it. he's next.

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>> john: daniel penny's subway choke hold trial is putting a spotlight on the shift in blue cities as americans expressed frustration over soft-on-crime policies and democratic leaders. our next guest show ap signaling why blue voters are shifting right. what some -- public safety in america. rafael mangual. so in some places, rafael, things may be shifting a little bit right when it comes to law and order but you can still find plenty of places, including the

city and -- >> it is a mixed bag but a shift away from what we saw in the lead up to this election, specifically after 2020, when criminal justice policy will sort of moving in one direction, and that was to the left. so i do think there is some cause for encouragement here, especially when you consider the places you saw the biggest changes. cities in california, for example. los angeles throughout george gascon, the longtime progressive prosecutor, both in l.a. and in san francisco before that, of course a couple years ago san francisco looted chesa boudin from office, just reelected brooke jenkins, his replacement, to a full term. pamela price, it progressive d.a. in oakland, was recalled come along with the mayor. these are really, really strong statements. really repudiation's of the criminal justice policies of the

left. >> john: at the same time, alvin bragg, running for reelection in new york city expected to win in a landslide. our andy mccarthy wrote this about a year and a half ago about the criminal justice system in new york. he wrote, "new york does not have a justice system. it has a political system masquerading as a justice system. it's run by one party, the democratic party, which is a tool of progressives who see prosecutorial power as a weapon for achieving their race-obsessed vision of social justice. if you want to know why daniel penny now faces criminal prosecution in the death of jordan neely, that's why." do you agree, disagree? >> yeah, i think andy mccarthy is spot on on that. is really clear to anyone who has been any kind of attention,f daniel penny is in reactionary prosecution in response to the racial flame-fanning that came out after the death of

jordan neely, people calling a lynching on the national stage, in the national media, so there was a lot of political pressure brought to bear on someone like ellen bragg, who is kind of made his career by responding to progressive political incentives, and so you know i do think that in places like new york, it's going to be much more of an uphill battle to kind of change our ways and shift the tide the way that places like california and colorado and arizona have. but when you look at some of the places i've highlighted in my post-election coverage, one of the things that you see is the places that made the most significant changes, look at the ballot initiatives that won out in arizona and colorado, even prop 46 in california, you see public order problems, people defecating in the streets, using drugs openly, these rampant retail thieves just walking into supermarkets and ripping things off the shelves. that can happen in new york, and

i do think of public order really deteriorates and gets much worst, that is the thing that ultimately motivate new yorkers to vote differently. >> john: i don't know how much more it needs to deteriorate. at the same time daniel neely daniel penny facing trial, alvin bragg saying judge merchan let's hold proceedings in the trump trial until he gets out of office four and a half years from now, you have mentally ill homeless people running around stabbing people at will, causing "the new york post" to write, "new york let a crazy career criminal roam the streets and out three people are dead. new york meets full-scale change to rebuild public safety thanks to the crime and disorder-loving leftists and the democratic unit party that enables them in gotham and elven he. absent that, but carnage will only continue." the guy that killed three people, homeless, rap sheet as long as my arm and still on the street because that is the way they do it in the justice system in new york.

>> that's exactly right. that case is one of many that reflects really terrible policy choices that we have made consciously as a city and as a state. this is a person who has at least eight prior arrests and yet there he was roaming the street despite the fact he was clearly unstable. homeless man whose address was a shelter, how much more resources could the city give him? what this reflects is an unwillingness that is baked into our criminal justice system to recognize the reality that some people are simply too dangerous to be among us in society. and until we show a willingness to pull the levers that are available to us, namely the incarceration or the, you know, institutionalization of the seriously mentally ill, this sort of thing is going to continue to happen. but again these are policy choices. bail reform is a policy choice. discovery reform is a policy choice. the parole reforms in the state or policy choices, right, the items listed on alvin bragg's

day one memo, they are policy choices and we can make different ones. >> john: well, not likely in new york city. 80% of new yorkers voted for kamala harris, so i don't think change is coming. rafael, great to see you, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> thanks so much for having me peered. >> sandra: the d.o.g.e. duo musk and vivek ramaswamy proposing a crackdown on remote work for federal employees, sayt could save some cash. big money show cohost taylor riggs and brian brenberg on the implications coming up.

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>> sandra: fox news alert, half past the hour, we can report now as we have just about an hour ago matt gaetz has withdrawn his bid to be the attorney general in the incoming trump administration. obviously that news having ripple effects on capitol hill. big questions over who will now take that place. we are waiting for any announcement from the trump-vance transition team. we will continue to look for that and report it as it comes in. john? >> john: all right, i would expect that to take long. jussie smollett. argued a special prosecutor should not have been allowed to intervene after the local states attorney initially dropped the . matt finn live in los angeles

with the latest on this. matt? >> hi, john. i spoke with jussie smollett's attorney shortly after this decision. the attorney is very happy, he said jussie won and pointed out even the republican judges on the state supreme court handed smollett a win. now the illinois high court ranked in its ruling that. >> sandra: need to initial controversial agreement with kim foxx's office that dropped the charges will hold and the conviction that came afterward is reversed. the state supreme court writing in part because the charges were dismissed in exchange for the defendants community service and forfeiture of his bail bond and because the defendant fully performed his end of the agreement, the state is bound by the agreement. now. >> sandra: need to old the bulk of his 150 day sentence for allegedly -- a racist, homophobic hate crime largely considered a hoax. what was arguably just as scandalous was the deal with kim foxx's office that dropped the case in exchange for $10,000 and community service.

after fox's initial deal with smollett, the special prosecutor dan webb brought the case in front of a jury trial in chicago. smollett was convicted on five felony counts of lying to police, he had a public outburst which you are looking at on your screen right now. six days later, smollett got out on appeal. the special prosecutor just released a statement writing, "make no mistake, today's ruling has nothing to do with mr. smollett's innocence. the illinois supreme court did not find any error with the overwhelming evidence presented on trial that mr. smollett orchestrated a fake hate crime." now kim cox kim foxx, cook county state attorney, she is exiting office in a short while and she did a legacy interview with a newspaper, saying, i'm a little pissed my narrative gets to be shaped by dan webb. he gets to be credible and i don't. over the years i spoke with smollett a few times, as you know he maintains his innocence, insist it is the osan dario

brothers that have been lying in part to advance their career. >> sandra: need to says he wants to make the world a better place for his child. john? >> john: we will see if this is the end of it. appreciate it. >> sandra: elon musk and vivek ramaswamy laying out some of their vision to overhaul the federal government including five day return to office mandate for federal employees, can you manage imagine that, going to work five days a week. they are arguing the american taxpayer should not have to pay for them to work in their pajamas. let's bring in brian brenberg and taylor riggs. i don't mean there shouldn't be anybody working from home, certainly some roles it is totally acceptable and companies are even building around the fact they have to work from home. these federal workers, they are jobs meant to show up and the office buildings are empty. >> we have all of these office buildings. government, sometimes you cannot

tell the people are doing things based on their productivity, you only know they are doing things because they are doing things so i think it is very fair for the american people to say go into the office or if you don't want to you should find other employment. elon is bringing his twitter policy to the federal government, come in and do work we know needs to be done or you can go do something else, and i think a lot of taxpayers are going to say, amen to that because maybe the federal government will start working a little more like i have to work. >> as much as we love working from home, as much as we can sit help spring women into the office because it is better for us to be home with our children, covid is over and it is much better for us to be in our office collaborating, communicating, and doing all of that stuff. we also have to move past that. >> sandra: i suppose there is a natural weeding out by just saying you have to come back -- >> and they said that. >> sandra: decline or drop out of the workforce. >> what's so funny is you have two of the most innovative people in the world and they are using the least innovative but most effective way to figure out

who wants to work, which is will you come to work or not? and i love this. i would also say they are asking the question, how many people do we really need to do jobs. if it takes one person to do this, we are going to figure that out and if we are employing 15, we are not going to employ 15 anymore, it sounds harsh, but there is nobody who is entitled to a government job or that taxpayers money -- >> sandra: how about some accountability would be good, what everybody is doing and what they are producing and what their output really is. okay, now to more important things, like in and everybody is talking about. let's watch. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> sandra: okay, those who don't know, jaguar is a car.

>> i thought he saved going to show a car. >> a carmaker and no car in that ad. although we are talking about it, so is a win? >> in part this is a win because it is an advertisement and we're talking about. a higher and brand, yes, of course, it is a hater and brand. when you think about the people who have just voted, who really just want normalcy and not weird crap like this, we are like the bud light people. we can boycott when bud light does it. the higher and people who are so out of touch going to boycott this when that -- >> sandra: also a question, did they not learn anything in this past election cycle? woke is -- >> it's like they started this ad creative process three years ago and nobody looked up from the desk and said has the world changed since three years ago? it's a terrible add. it's not a great company right now. they are a struggling company that needs -- >> sandra: have you seen the jaguar cars? >> they are not even making internal combustion cars, they

are going all ev. we live in a world, jaguar needs to get one thing right, go back to the thing you have done well for decades. make awesome cars. >> sandra: they think they are doing this well, backing up this new ad, our brand relaunch for jager is a bold and imaginative reinvention, and as expected, it has attracted the attention and debate. maybe this is exactly what they are looking for. our producers are telling us volvo has in and out that is like the complete opposite. they are showing a traditional family, mom, dad, kids. >> advertisements, i'm supposed to look at this, relate to it, and want to buy the product because there is something in there that speaks to me, so if i'm sitting at home, i don't know what they are saying, -- >> sandra: a car -- >> in two seconds they show me a beautiful looking car, that i will say well done. but come on, guys, get to the car. i'm looking for a car here!

>> i want a car with a red ribbon -- >> no car! there is no car. >> a car with a ribbon on it means you have made it in life. >> walking down the street, there you go, is that a volvo? >> sandra: okay, but it looks electric. pico it does. at least it's a car! >> sandra: i really got you guys going. all right, so we will see. i don't know, to each company their own. >> we should go work in the ad space. >> sandra: you guys are obviously fresh off your show, all warmed up. brian, great to have you, taylor. john? >> john: nothing will ever top in 1960s jaguar. a new twist for the man accused in the bloody massacre of four university of idaho students. the judges latest ruling and what it means for the prosecution's plan to seek the death penalty. plus this. >> those people that are sending fentanyl into the united states, if you don't do that, i'm going to tariff. >> sthe for a review[bleep] ce united states.

[applause] >> sandra: president-elect trump taking aim at china's role in the fentanyl crisis. will it work?

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>> sandra: in idaho judge ruling the man charged stabbing and killing four idaho college students could face the death penalty. that is exactly what prosecutors plan on seeking for bryan kohberger. dan springer has the latest on this out of seattle for us. dan, does this appear to be a close call for the judge? >> yeah, sandra, not really p or i went to the 55-page ruling and it didn't seem very close to going bryan kohberger's way. his attorneys filed 12 separate motions, over 1,000 pages of documents, tacking idaho's death penalty law from every direction, but judge steven hippler dismissed them one by one. among the arguments made was the capital punishment in idaho belongs to cruel and unusual

punishment. state uses lethal injection and just last year at a firing sq squad, not available. hitler rode, to strike a message of execution is unduly painful under the eighth amendment, the defendant must come forward with an alternative method. he has not done so, thus foreclosing his claim. idaho is 1 of 27 states that still has the death penalty. it's been 12 years since the last execution. currently nine inmates sit on death row, and now, with this ruling yesterday, if kohberger is convicted at his trial, which starts next august, he could be sentenced to join them. he's accused of stabbing to death four students at the university of idaho two years ago. the parents of kaylee gonzalez have been the most vocal, and they released a statement yesterday saying in part, when we heard of the motions being denied in regards to the death penalty, we were overjoyed. justice is moving forward and one day in the not-too-distant future, hopefully it will be

served. the next pretrial hearing in this case will be at the end of january. sandra? >> sandra: dan springer in seattle. >> john: center, president-elect trump vowing to go after china over its role in the flow of fentanyl into the united states, threatening to slap heavy tariffs on beijing. fox news contributor marco pillsbury joins us now with more peer i want to take us back to the day before the election when donald trump said this about fentanyl in china, listen. >> 300,000 a people a year to drugs entering from mexico and if they don't stop this poison from flooding into our country and make it stop, i not accepting it from china, and i'm doing the same thing with china, we are going to tariff the hell out of them. >> john: china knows all too well the sting of tariffs under the trump administration. is this something that might get them to change their ways? >> yes, it will, especially because of the way mr. trump is perceived in china. they think he is brilliant.

they talk about his big brain. they think his "art of the deal" book is a classic, translated into chinese, a best seller in china, and they know he got a deal on fentanyl in 2018, 2019. it was negotiated secretly in beijing by our then-ambassador, former governor of iowa. biden got lazy on it and to protest nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan, china broke off all of its cooperation on fentanyl. so i think president trump style is not just tariffs. he'll also have other ways to negotiate and get some kind of deal on this because it is just outrageous the chinese will not crackdown. it is illegal in china, you know. >> john: of course. >> the committee has found all of these things online, there is a tax rebate for producing fentanyl precursors, 13% tax break, so it is just outrageous they have gone back on their deal with president trump. >> john: yep, fentanyl is illegal inside china but anything that will rot america from the inside out, china is

more than willing to sign onto. "the wall street journal" said this about trump's threats, "can trump hardball tactics on chinese-americans fentanyl crisis? beijing is thinking if we give into the americans on this, what will donald trump threaten us with tariffs ove, senior political scientist. xi jinping does not want to be shown to be weak." obviously he doesn't. saw him take center stage at apec was center stage while joe biden was at the end of the line. he does understand hardball politics, which what donald trump likely will del deliver. >> i know, scott, "the wall street journal" reporter could have had some other sources were more balanced and not so critical of mr. trump. what actually happened in the negotiations was trump had all kinds of clever techniques. for example, his granddaughter arabella came in, when he first met xi jinping at mar-a-lago, having the first meeting for the

first time in history, his granddaughter sings and recites a time dynasty poem. you may not know a tongue dynasty is 600 a.d., so president trump turns to xi jinping and said how good is her mentor in? xi jinping said as good as a same girl her age in beijing. he's got respect for chinese culture. he got all kinds of approaches and negotiations, a lifetime of experience. the fentanyl problem, i think i need to be clear, it is really high-priority with him, brings it up a lot, it's a 20 year problem, john, 107,000 dead americans, i think he can pull a rabbit out of a hat on this one, don't you? >> john: i did a four-part series for fox nation on the godfather of fentanyl invented back in the early 1990s. i mean, you've got to remember also that when xi jinping was at mar-a-lago with trump, trump pulled the trigger on a missile strike against syria, so i'm sure she looked at him and said

wow, this isn't the type of guy who fools around. michael, great to see you. great to see you. >> thank you. >> sandra: legendary filmmaker martin scorsese's passion project is now available to stream on fox nation. jonathan morris joins us next with his take on faith and the catholic church. ♪ ♪ ♪ music ♪ there's nothing better than being there for your family, friends, and community. but the older you are the higher your risk of missing out because you get seriously ill with flu, covid-19, or rsv. so, get this season's vaccines because being there for all of them begins with taking care of yourself. risk less. do more. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life

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>> sandra: fox nation is that with its new must-see series from oscar-winning filmmaker martin scorsese. "the saints" is a docuseries exploring eight of the most famous saints in history. fox news contributor and theologian jonathan morris is here to discuss. haven't said that in a while. good to have you here. thank you so much. so can i play out first because jonathan, so good to have you here and i know you have worked with martin scorsese on a film in the past, and you have an incredible story about that, but this was really interesting to hear scorsese on what faith means to him. listen. >> no matter how far back we are going to go, we can't ever measure everything. we can never really know, i think, ultimately, you know, the who and what we are. and it's faith. so we come to faith. faith is accompanied by doubt.

i come to understand that faith and doubt are inseparable. >> sandra: clearly he is a man of faith, jonathan, and a deep thinker. what was it like working with him as he now has this new docuseries? >> yes, i worked with him on his film "the irishman," not a religious film, he's not really known -- >> john: although a few people got last rites. >> i was involved a little bit with that. what i was impressed by martin scorsese was his authenticity and his humility. right, so when he presented me the script, i said, actually, i wouldn't do that part. i don't like how that's done. it was the role of a priest who was helping, counseling someone at the end of his life, lived a life of debauchery and of violence, violent crimes, and it kind of felt, oh, yeah, god bless you, go in peace, goodbye. i wouldn't do that, they have to get to a point of contrition. he said tell me about that. and i was there in the trailer with martin scorsese and just

going through the script, and i said, well, let me show you how i would do it. and we just talked through it and he just changed the script. and he changed it over and over again until he found, he said, that's authentic. i think what we are seeing -- and i just love what i've seen so far -- looks like they have a part of "the irishman." >> sandra: there you go! >> what i see in this series, the "the saints," he is telling stories of real people, so it is history, and he is a historian himself, he just loves getting in and finding the facts, but it is also through a lens of faith, but not kind of corny lens of faith. like he talked about faith and doubt, that is what we all have in our lives. he is very, very approachable, but also an amazing filmmaker, and i think that is what people are going to find in this series, "the saints." >> john: he also talks about being a boy growing up in little italy and used to go, as many italian families did, to

st. patrick's for sunday mass, and he would look up at the statues of the saints around str about who these people were, and then he spoke to the idea of relics of the saints. listen to what he said. >> i think the relic of a saint has great power and meaning for us because somehow it is like a physical connection to this once-living human being, this person, and it often, it can keep reawakening the impulse that is our faith. >> john: so i was in budapest a couple years ago on a family trip, we went to saint stephen's basilica and in a reliquary there was the right hand of king st. stephen mummified. and to be in the presence of that was just so, so impressive. >> i get it. a lot of protestants who are watching, evangelicals, non-catholics listening going what, a relic and saints? that all sounds like some sort

of worship of something that is other than god. catholics first of all do not worship saints, okay? martin scorsese is very clear in this. he says these eight figures are not divine. they are human beings. and he is very good at showing that these eight figures were very weak human beings, like all of us. and sinners, as well. and he shows the drama, the narrative, of what it means to pursue holiness, and then, of course, he does it in a fun way, so i think this is a great docuseries, not only for catholics, i would say if you are an evangelical and you are just curious, trust me, scorsese is not trying to convert anybody, but he tells a story that is really interesting. and it's a history story of christians pursuing their love of god. >> sandra: so great to have you here, jonathan, great to see you. >> thank you. >> sandra: thank you so much. >> john: looks like it is going to be a great series. hopefully every buddy watches. thank you, john. we are getting new reaction from

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