>> hello everyone, this is "outnumbered". i'm molly line. joining me, tammy bruce, and president of american spirit enterprises, dr. nicole sapphire board certified physician. kara frederick. director at the heritage foundation and joe concha. president-elect trump appear to be at odds of his tariff immigration plan. after speaking on the phone this week, trump said his mexican counterpart agreed to cut off trade, and the president-elect says they are not closing borders but building bridges. we have mark meredith from west

palm beach, florida, maybe a little clarity from you. >> holly, it's president biden saying this could affect u.s. foreign policy and the u.s. economy as well. >> i hope he rethinks this. it's counter productive. the last thing we need to do is screw up communications. >> this week trump threatened 25% tariffs exports coming from canada and mexico unless more is done to stop the flow of drugs and migrants from reaching the southern border. the president said in the phone call with trump, tariffs never came up. trump called the conversation productive. there are reports canada is

preparing for retaliatory t tar tariffs. saying this is the most insulting thing from america. depending on who you ask, these tariffs will hold the others accountableo buy items before tariffs go into effect >> today is one of the most busiest shopping days of the year. we saw numbers of online shopping up from a year ago. president-elect spent his time at mar-a-lago and elon musk was also it's the table. >> yeah, elon musk planning for a busy capitol hill visit. joe, we will come to you first

on this. there's the phone call between the mexican leaders and president trump and they come out of this with very different interpretations. shinebalm saying everyone has many different interpretations and we would be incapable of it. >> incapable? we have seen that before. the remain mexico policy. you have to look at who has the power and the leverage. that appears to the united states and donald trump. you're either supporting something illegal, entering the country illegal. what we see in new york, social services are cut for illegals in the country. libraries being closed. police and sanitation being cut

biden kept tariffs on china that trump had and what biden did with his record on the border to quote harris faulker to this. >> as president trump has made these threats. tammy, also, remarks coming from canada. >> yeah, particularly what struck me and i don't call many things racist out of the gate, but to complain about being compared to an ancient great civilization is strange. it's an ancient people combined with the people of spain. hundreds of years and the impact in southern and northern america is remarkable. to get upset because you're compared to mexico is disgusting. in the meantime, she's a new

president, right. she's got to placate people at home. it's this nation's possibilities that make this continent run. they have to seem tough for their people, but mexico is in chaos with the flood that comes through. they allow them to come through and she knows they can stop it. there's no negotiating room for mexico, especially what is coming in through china >> the fentanyl coming in from the northern border. canada understands what is happening. they better put on their big boy pants and that's what we expect to see. >> doctor sapphire, tammy raises a good point, there's a

crisis down there. claudia could do something to not just affect america but also the impact on her country >> what the mexican president is saying about building bridges is incredibly wise. the reality is, you have to build on the foundation before you can build the bridges. the foundation is completely broken when it comes to illegal immig immigration. when president trump is recognizing this, it's the human and drug trafficking and originating in other countries and wants them to be accountability to gain access in the subsequent ways in other people's country. it's not only prosperous for the united states but other countries. >> we talk about prosperity.

there's an enormous cost. kara, down in mexico, when the cartels are being enriched. we talk about the tariffs and also getting money out of those pockets. >> the issue here is mexico has been incentivized to keep this going. especially for the past four years. the flow of fentanyl, no one tried to stop it. and we should use every tool in the tool kit to contest this. the one thing that doesn't get talked about which makes mexico continue the policies is remittances. >> good. >> $63 billion in 2023 sent back to mexico from the united states. when you couple that with the idea that in 2022, out of 59% of non-citizen households were on some form of major u.s. welfare

program. they are taking the largest of the u.s. taxpayer and freeing up money to give back to mexico. hoover davis collins talks about this. they have been incentivizes to send money back. >> coming up though, the riding threat of the brutal venezuela venezuela gang here in the united states. that is next.

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>> molly: two men reported to be members of the venezuela gang

were arrested in new york. sources told of the new york post this was tied to the alleged take over of an apartment complex in aurora, colorado. >> somehow this pair made their way from colorado to new york city where they were involved in credit card fraud, violence and selling weed. two of 15 suspected venezuela gang members were picked up early wednesday after a month long investigation of human trafficking and gang violence. the outlet showing this photo of the three semiautomatic rifles, two pistols and ammo. the two had active warrantos

first degree burglary and menacing for another incident that went viral. videos showing them breaking into an aurora, colorado, complex minutes before a fatal shooting. the men knocked on two apartments and threatened other says. the apartment complex has been taken over by venezuela gang and had rent payments stolen. that has been denied by the local police and the mayor of colorado. the new york post reports that two of the men again captured in viral video are indeed gang members arrested here in new york city. molly. >> >> molly: cb. thank you. meanwhile in chicago, police officers are issuing warnings to

those meeting with the gang members. >> law enforcement even in sanctuary cities like chicago knows it and knows the gang poses a threat. this officer safety alert went out to the rank and file to the chicago police force over the summer. the intel started with immigration and customs and warned officers the gang members have been given a green light to fire upon personnel in colorado. in chicago, they are urged to use caution and tactical awareness with tda afillination. the trump legal first found this going into a deep dive with law enforcement. >> this shows the level of brazenness the gang members have in defying law enforcement authorities and chicago police officers definitely need to be careful when they encounter people that you know, either have visible gang markings or

other identifiers that link them to this particularly dangerous gang. >> the biden administration designated them an international gang. presence of the gang has stepped up in texas, illinois and florida. early last week, we reported 30 times over the last few years, it was reported this chicago. >> molly: mike is highlighted something in the report, tammy about the enormous spread, the different states trendy has been linked to. coming and new york city. tammye a vice, if you ignore it, it's going to spread. it's an example, october where i think aurora, colorado was down playing this was a real problem and the saw the memo from the summer this was an issue in chicago and yes the number of

states. we say transnational states. bol bolivia, panama, peru and the united states. when you have messaging that says there's no border. we have a war with our own law enforcement. you have sanctuary cities, sanctuary states, come here and do as you please, we will take you on your word about who you are, the invitation for this, this has been developed because of the nature what has been happening over the last four years and clearly falls to president trump and law enforcement which is at more risk because when the environment says that those people are the bad guys and are a problem, the immigrant community especially is at risk. those are the people who are first. it's about ransom, retail theft, kidnapping, human trafficking, rape, assault, extorsion, all of

those things affect the immigrant communities first. >> molly: yeah, the nypd saying they are living in new york city shelters. doctor, nicole saphier, recent rests in tennessee including human trafficking and prostitution. tammy was highlighting the different types of charges and now the places where this gang has been tracked. >> dr. nicole saphier: yeah, this reminds you the original 5 point gang. we see these gangs start to gain footing in the poverty-stricken neighborhoods as tammy pointed out, especially where immigrant says are. we have eight to 10 million illegal immigrants that came across the border. what the true number is we don't know. they have been shipped all throughout our country without the ability to earn wages.

so they are forced to have criminal activity. some were criminals before coming over. other people who can't actually earn income they maybe forced to do illegal activity to now support their families. this is a huge problem and all started with the influx of illegal immigrants. we have to make sure we're focusing on legal immigration and expediting the ability to work and earn an age for people that immigrant legally. >> molly: that's a great point. these gangs are often taking advantage. those already living in poverty like in colorado and the arrests in new york city allegedly track back to colorado. in theory, there's a network moving criminals around. kara. >> yeah, there's a reason why it's a common refrain to say every state is a border state and where federal officials call this gang ms 13 on steroids. they have a terrible track record of exploiting other

immi immigrants. i want to say something personal about how policy maker says should approach questions like this. i was a young girl in my 20 says deploying to afghanistan and made me recognize the rest of the world is not like america, does not go by rule of law. they don't have our social security. they don't have necessarily order. so there's so much self interest and chaos in dog eat dog out there, i had to learn just by deploying and going to the third world countries and in some cases nations trying to become a third world nation. when they have policies, they need to account for the reality of the rest of the world. america is exceptional for a reason and we need to act accordingly especially with our border policies. keep the chaos and keep the criminals out. or else america will start to look like the rest of the world.

>> molly: kara, great point, america is worth protecting. joe. >> joe: all i could think about, jd vance, goes on the sunday show and making the argument what this is doing to every community. martha radich says they don't took over a couple apartment complexes. jd vance said, do you hear yourself? only a couple apartment complexes. venezuela and the most dangerous country. they are emptying the prisons and coming here and people mock that. turns out that's probably correct. tom hollman is coming. this is who he's going to target first. these criminals because like we talked about on the fbi terror watch list, hundreds of terrorists tried to come into the country, how about the skilled terrorists. tammy called it a virus.

it's a malignant virus. >> molly: a couple apartment complexes. 16 states across america see know so far. incredible reporting there. coming up, elon musk and the new government efficiency project. big plans to slash spending how the to cut out $1 trillion. we shall see next.

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>> molly: hi there, president-elect's defense government of efficiency under elon musk and vivek ramaswamy.

>> the department of government efficiency through elon musk and vivek ramaswamy with their federal budget of $1.4 trillion. this is the way of saving money by reversing the student loan hand out they could save up to $550 billion. reversing healthcare executive actions, $385 billion and reversing vehicle carbon emissions rules and snap food stamp program changes could save $300 billion. ultimately, they need the government to be on the same page. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy will go to lobby to control

federal spending. >> i think people who bring the business mind set into congress looking at agencies, i think can be a very effective strategy. having elon musk and vivek ramaswamy who started growing companies, we look forward to working with elon musk and vivek ramaswamy. >> the ramaswamies spent time to figure out how to save money. suggestions from the congressional budget office on how to cut spending. the cbo warning if we do nothing, federal debt held by the public would rise to 110% of the gdp. debt that is high and rising is a percentage of gdp could raise

interest payments to holders of u.s. debt. not a lot of time to get this done. the president-elect trump has given doge until july 4th, 2026, to get the cuts in place. musk says that's not going to be a problem because they will be using ai to help sort through where money is being wasted. >> tammy: oh, boy. that sounds fun. it will be a fun year for you and me. thank you. i thought immediately, kara, that stating a number like $2 trillion, it's like monopoly money. don't state a number because maybe it's $20 trillion. you heard they can get to 1.4 reversing the executive actions. what about the education department? $300 million to progressive groups. planned parenthood gets $50 million from taxpayers. when you look at details. it'sy endless how much we

can cut, isn't it? >> molly: let's like the head of argentina, gone. the government has a massive waste and fraud problem. i should know, i worked for the u.s. government for 10 years. the pentagon failed their seventh audit. i'm glad the best business mind says are doing things. the best thing about doge is the transparency idea. so we know now you probably have seen the tweets. grants for underwater basket weaving and random things nobody cares about, that is where our money is going. department of education. really happy with cutting it. look what happened in covid when parents were alerted to what was teaching. i think this is going to work. monopoly, the government has been working with that. dr. nicole, people get nervous

about hearing money cut. let's say from medical situations, social security, and yet, it's not spending is one thing, if you're spending on shrimps on a treadmill, it's money that's lost if you're really being efficient, where money is spent where it can do the most good. that's true also when it comes to healthcare and well being. >> dr. nicole saphier: i was looking at the list. silly science projects. i was like, that's probably some of my people. the united states continue to dominate in higher education and it's a huge economic advantage for the united states. that being said, the federal government in 2022, the last numbers i saw, spent about $54 billion on research and development. the hhs provided 50% of the money. now year after year, mind you i work for one of largest academic centers in the country. these are my people. year after year, the estimates

of 85% of research dollars anything do waste. not in the way they are just blowing money. do unpublish research. research that has bias or not statistically significant. you can't really do anything with it. the people put into make america healthy will look at the grants. marti mccarey and i have worked on a lot of projects together. they are going to certainly being trimming the fat. >> money spent should get something done. joe. >> joe: this is an 80/20 issue. if you're a republican in congress, do you really want to oppose spending? a lot of democrats will agree with that. people want their government to be run like their households. don't spend what you don't have. don't buy what you don't need. this is something that's very exciting because on day one, we will see donald trump i imagine

reverse every biden executive action. if we could save billions upon billions of dollars, that's going to give momentum. nots one democrat is going to cross donald trump, vivek ramaswamy and elon musk. >> we are at a point the interest on the debt and elon keeps saying we are heading toward bankruptcy. >> they have talked about this going to the institution. going to washington and the people moving this around. kara, you talked about the money we're sending overseas and the transparency issue. as they move forward with the policy, the american people will be able to have a voice and say we don't want that cut. that could change elections down the road. the people in those seats will

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>> molly: that was the trump dance. that's all i know. the trump dance. today is black friday. actually felt like black friday week. right? and americans are out and about, getting those deals or you're in front of your computer, over 183 million people are expected to get their gifts this weekend. wow! i love us. and nearly $1 trillion projected to be spent on holiday shopping through december. however law enforcement is warning holiday shoppers to stay vigilant, especially if you shop online. madison scarpino tells how to stay safe this holiday season. >> hello, tammy, it's expected to be a record-breaking black friday and cyber monday, but the national police association says that many criminals are even more motivated to steal around the holidays.

>> criminals are also looking for additional income, additional revenue if you will, during the holidays. we're also frankly living in an atmosphere in the country right now where burglars and other criminals are less afraid of being caught by the police. they're less afraid of being prosecuted. >> sergeant betsy smith says there are different crime trends that spike this year. they are seeing burglars following people home from stores, especially if there are a lot of bags or packages in the vehicle. so it's important to be extra vigilant since the national retail federation predicts americans to spend so much money on holiday shopping this year. a lot of shoppers won't even step foot in a store. >> i go off tiktok.

yeah. what is trending on tiktok. i go like gift ideas for boyfriend. gift ideas for cousin and grandma. >> with all the online shopping packages comes the risk of porch pirates. americans lost over $13 billion to package thieves last year. the most important thing is prevention. burglars hate good locks and cameras and especially rescue dogs. >> tammy: yes, we love those rescue dogs, thank you,. we have a connection here, the defunding of the policy and the gangs. the passion to do what you want.

>> it's the holiday season and some of these things will be special and deadline, you know, intents too. you want to make sure you get it in time to give it to someone special. this is so problematic. you could see the images of amazon. they have put out information how to protect them. to leave them in a planter. i saw a guy put something on the back porch instead of front porch. it's nice. there are things you can do to protect yourself. i was concerned about madison's report about being followed home from the mall. that one got me. >> that's pretty scary. i was thinking of things getting delivered to door. i asked certain delivery services to put packages in a box i got. statement, it's like any of the suburbs, you know people are

doing that. but sometimes the delivery people do it and sometimes they don't. so i'm going to get one of ring door bells and only probably get more scared. i don't know. >> joe: that's the thing. i have a ring door bell and alarm system and two dogs that will bark. i don't know what they were thinking. it was hanes tee shirts and briefs. >> it will be on ebay. that's the take home. >> joe: amazon was cool about it. they looked at my order history and to your point, the customer service person said have you considered putting it in the back. >> molly: and report your stolen items right away. >> theft, the people who need things, they are not stealing packages.

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>> molly: gen zer has always been seen as, technically literate. many of them use ai for task paralysis. welcome to the human life.

they may use chatgpt or to renegotiate salaries which may not work out too well. my feeling molly is, if you can get away with robot doing your work, you don't need that job. >> molly: honestly what got me about this. survey found ages 22 to 27 were using two or more ai tools at work and talked about how 79% of gen x don't use ai. they might have a tool that's useful that's speeding things along and i maybe need to get with it. i'm not sure if i'm anti-genz. >> you being a human being, i bring your human element to work. >> joe: we both wrote books published this year. can you imagine throwing in a couple lines into ai and spits

out something for you and that becomes your book? as a writer, you take such offense to this. creative part of the human brain is being surpassed to have a program think for you. the good news is, if you're a professor or teacher, there's a software that exists. you can detect whether ai was used. >> yeah, they are still trying to finesse that. ai changes the world incredibly important with the medical environment, with treating people. the possibilities are really endless. does this go too far in the work place? >> dr. nicole saphier: we have to be mindful, back in my day. >> which is 10 years ago. >> dr. nicole saphier: to incorporate ai into our life is useful. there is positives and big negatives. one of my biggest concerns raising three boys, they are not using their minds.

type into ai to get talking points and not helping their brain evolve. from the medical standpoint, we use it every day. just like humans, we use it every day. i'm all for adopting ai into our work spaces. the problem is making sure people are not becoming lazy. >> tammy: let's like a skill. like riding a bike. how do you create a question or something that occurred, versus an x-ray, they have ai look at the x-ray and also a radiologist. kara. >> kara: yeah, that's what we did at facebook. that's the best combination to have it layered. the human review was a big problem. >> kara: fair enough. i'm totally with you on that one. fight big tech. what i think, ai and the

machines get a bad rap. we talk about the robots. as the doctor said, productivity and the boon to productivity does get under reported in the battle sense and we will see that more with the defense industrial base getting reinvigorated. instead of fmb labeling machines and rocks, the machines will do that. >> tammy: i just think everybody should walk the "matrix" film says. >> it can lead, we have to keep a handle on where things lead. >> kara: humans ultimately program these machines. >> the problem with ai, especially with military wa warfare, the fear is self

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