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bartiromo. today, president trump locks in who he wants to overhaul federal law enforcement. last night he announced kash patel, attorney and former department of defense chief of staff, as his nominee for fbi director. trump called patel an advocate for truth. here's what patel said on this program last week. maria: how do you believe americans will regain trust in our most important law enforcement agencies? >> one thing, exposure of corruption. put out the documents, put out the evidence. we only have gotten halfway down the russia agate hole. the people immediate to know that their fbi is restored by knowing full well what they did to unlawfully surveil them. jackie: we're going to talk about this and the weaponization of government with senator marsha blackburn and congresswoman claudia tenney. plus, we'll talk about sop thing censorship by the government and

big tech as well with brendan carr, president trump's pick to head the fcc. plus, the heads of canada and mexico talking to to president trump as trump threatens tariffs on imported goods. we're going to talk about trump's strategy to jump-start our economy with steve forbes and tomas pill lipson. we'll also talk to trump's commerce secretary during his first term, wilbur ross. and as the youth vote swung towards former president trump, what's the plan to keep that movement going? we're asking turning point usa founder charlie kirk. it's all right here and it's right now on "sunday morning futures." ♪ jackie: we begin with president trump's plan the shake up federal law enforcement with the nomination of kash patel the as fbi director. let's are bring in senator marsha blackburn who serves on the senate judiciary committee. senator, we're so happy to have you today. let me read this from president

trump's post. he says, kash is a brilliant lawyer, investigator and america first fighter who has spent his career exposing corruption, defending justice and protecting the american people. so he's being praised on the right for all of that but, of course, the criticism from the left is already starting. they're saying trump wants a supporter who's going to carry out his demands for specific law enforcement actions. what's your take on it? >> jackie, i think it is so interesting that this those on the left are talking about experience, because kash patel has more experience than just about anybody coming into this position. he's been a prosecutor, he's been recognized by doj for success many in these prosecutions. he has been the deputy dni. he's been the chief of staff at the department of defense. he has a well-rounded background. of i look forward to supporting

him and pushing this nomination across the finish line. the american people want president trump's cabinet if nominees to be confirmed, and that is the job that we should be doing immediately on january 20th. jackie: and he's been very outspoken about going after the deep state, so has president trump. so that is top of the agenda. while i have you, i know you're very passionate about the border, senator, and, of course, we've talked about this this many times. it was an issue that was tied to the economy and potentially number one for voters as they went in to cast their ballot on election day. we've got a situation where we've got illegals in this country, president trump now threatening some of those tariffs on canada and mexico saying we've got a drug problem, we've got a crime problem, we've got to close these borders. and you've got leaders who are coming to the table to talk to him. tell me how you think this strategy's going the play out. >> what you're going to see is

basically the global diplomacy of rock, paper, scissors. s strength, weakness, appeasement, and and strength wins. they know donald trump is a strong leader. hay know if he says he's going to sanction you, if he's going to hold you to accountable, he is going to do that. that's why you saw justin trudeau fly to palm beach to meet with president trump. it is why you see global leaders coming to the table in advance of his being sworn into office. and, jackie, i will add to this not only the geopolitical issues, but you look at the economic issues with the pillar one and pillar two taxes, the global minimum tax. awe they know full well -- they know full well donald trump is not going to how u.s. companies to carry the bulk of that tax which is what the biden administration has pushed them to do. jackie: yeah. that's an excellent point. meantime, i got to talk to tom homan yesterday.

he's border czar talking about his strategy for deportations in this country. we've got 1.4 million people ordered to be deported, we've got 13,000 in i.c.e. custody. but this is a huge, herculean task, and he is facing a lot of opposition from democrat mayors across the country. it's really interesting that you've to got some saying we're going to try to willfully block you from doing this when we know that some of these folks have committed crimes, that they're a danger to our society. your response to that and, ultimately, you know, the challenge that he's facing as he tries to carry out this order. >> every town's a border town, every state a border state because what has happened. president donald trump is correct to say let's make certain that we start with these criminal illegal aliens. and, jackie, i've got the clear act which would allow local law enforcement to detain these criminal illegal aliens they apprehend, then to require i.c.e. to deport them.

and reimburse those local agencies for the money that they have spent carrying out the federal government's job. the american people have spoken. they want the border secure, they want the fentanyl, the drug trafficking, the human trafficking, the sex trafficking, the gangs and the crime to end. jackie: yeah. >> they want an end to this. they know they can depend on president trump to do that. they know that tom homan is going to be out there securing that southern border. it is why the american people overwhelmingly support the way president donald trump is carrying out this transition. jackie: and in the last moment we have left, of course, he wants to be, president-elect trump wants to make the dollar king again, but he's also talking about china. and heir not looking at from an economic standpoint, per se. this is about fentanyl, as you mentioned. china has a huge role in that as well. your final thoughts on how he will approach china differently than he did last time to get

more out of them. >> yes. what he'll do is make them add -- adhere to the quotas, the export if quota thats, that he has held them to, the import and export quotas. plus he will begin the sanctions. they know what they're doing. they know they're endangering the american people. they know that it is the united states that has the fentanyl issue, not other countries. donald trump in his administration will not tolerate this. you're going to be, see a very strong kristi noem at homeland security and homan on the border. we're going to get this issue under control, and i can assure you they will have the backing of the u.s. house and u.s. senate as they carry forward on this, work. jackie: senator marsha blackburn, thank you so much for being here today. great to see you. >> you got it. jackie: all right. facebook founder and meta ceo mark zuckerberg met with president trump last week. this is as big tech is trying to

understand the incoming president's approach to their industry during his second term. let's bring in someone who's going to play a major role in that, brendan carr, fcc commissioner, and trump's pick to lead the agency. good morning and thank you so much for being here. you know, you look at elon musk and his role with president donald trump but also how he bought x as a game-changer to protect free speech, and you look at google and amazon and apple, facebook, the role that they have played not only in the last election, but also in this election. what will you do to make sure that the playing field is level and that big tech doesn't have the same grip on speech that it once did? >> yeah, thanks. first of all, i think president trump and his transition team is really just knocking it out of the park with these picks. they're putting a broad variety of people that represent president trump's unique coalition. washington, d.c. doesn't like it, and i think that means he's doing exactly right. for me, first thing is get with president trump and his team to

make sure i understand 100% what their agenda is. afterral, he was the one elected, to reflect his priorities. but combating tech censorship is going to be one of the top priorities for me. we either restore americans' right to free speech -- you mentioned facebook and other companies -- they've been part of a censorship cartel that have worked with advertisers, government officials to censor the free speech rights of everyday american,,s -- americans, and that's got to end. censorship isn't just about stopping words, it's about stopping ideas. america is a country of founders, of people that have pushed boundaries, frontiers, they've innovated, and when you silence speech, you silence ideas. we need to unleash america's prosperity again, and and that's why you feel this vibe in the country where people know president trump is about to lead another great american comeback because this wet blanket of government control is going away, and our economy's going to flourer again. jackie: who's -- what's so interesting is you've got people

saying you've not to abandon x, you just can't be on it, despite the fact that what elon is fighting for is free speech. you've got to step back and sort of wonder when the left can't hear something, they stick their head in the sand and pretend it's not happening. you've got ro khanna saying don't get off the platform, have a dialogue, have a conversation. why can't they do that? the. >> yeah. i think ro khanna's right about that. you know, free speech, diversity of opinion, those are the bedrocks of democracy. when you look at the mass media in general right now, trust is at an all time low. it wasn't that long ago as a historical matter that trust in mass media, it was the most trusted institution out there. but just look now. jeff bezos has an op-ed out talking about how trust in media has absolutely cratered, and the problem, to your point, is people continue to try to move into these silos, and they don't want to engage in robust exchanges of ideas. you see that on x, but i think it's part of what you see in a lot of mainstream media, this refusal to engage with a variety of ideas.

and people are tuning that out. jackie: tiktok's going to be on your docket as well. president trump at one point wanted to ban tiktok, than he -- then he reversed his decision. ultimately, you realize if you tactic doc off the table, whatever's going to happen is just going to happen somewhere else. so what do you think will be the strategy moving forward when it comes to tiktok and its presence here in america is? it's one thing when you ban it on american government phones, but another thing to ban it completely which is something that outgoing president biden did want to do. >> yeah, look, that particular issue is in the court system, and we'll see how that plays out and the actions president trump takes on that. think we're all going to follow president trump's lead on that one. we need more competition to faction. what -- to facebook. what twitter, now x, has done with elon musk in terms of restoring freedom of speech, that's so important to this country. we need to continue to move in that direction, move away from government control and towards freedom of speech. jackie: and just quick before i

let you go, any details that you can share that you to know of that came out of that meeting between mark zuckerberg and the former president? if. >> i don't. i don't have any insight into that but, you know, hopefully, you know, mark zuckerberg continues to move towards this embrace of freedom of speech. we have a unique opportunity with president trump to unleash economic opportunity. let's get this economy going, get america building again. for too long, this government's been stepping on the gas and the brakes at the same time. we're spending money without streamlining permitting, so we're going to unleash another great american comeback here. jackie: all right. brendan carr, thank you so much for being here. >> thanks. jackie: coming up, more reaction on president trump to -- and his pick to heed the fbi is new york congresswoman claudia tenney. plus, the u.s. census bureau will be facing questions on capitol hill this week about overcounting of residents of blue states, undercounting of those in red states. former commerce if secretary wilbur ross joins us next. ♪ at harbor freight, we do business differently

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>> i don't anymore washington speak about we can't talk about this or talk about that. the american people deserve constitutional oversight. we're going to need cabinet secretaries who don't fear the corruption that preceded us. it'll make us powerful if we

expose it to the american public. jackie: that's kash patel on this program last week. patel is president trump's pick to run the fbi. joining us now is new york congresswoman claudia tenney. great to have you on the program today the. the he's been very outspoken, patel, about the role of the deepen state. he also says it's not appropriate to weaponize the doj and the fbi. these will be top of mind issues for him as he moves forward. want to get your take on this pick. >> look, i love this pick because kash patel is a first generation american who loves america, believes in our system of government. he's a fierce lawyer. i think he was a public defender and also a prosecutor. and look at all that we've seen, the corruption in the fbi working with big tech to subvert the information we knew was in the hunter biden laptop. look at christopher wray not doing anything about the fbi slow-walking the testimony of the whistle blowers exposing president biden and his connection with all the corruption with hunter bidenful all those things have been

happening and many more. we're going to see a true fighter, someone who's going to get in there and give exactly what president trump asked for. he doesn't want the status quo. he wants to clean house. he wants an fbi that's accountable to the american people, that restores our system of justice and restores credibility. they've lost all credibility right now, and i think this is a tremendous pick. i think it's really exciting, what president trump has put out especially in many of these new, sort of fresh faces that we're going to see, not the same old people getting recycled in past administrations. jackie: congresswoman, i want to switch gears to foreign policy because we've got the ceasefire between israel and hezbollah on the table. both sides saying the other violated, it's on the table for now. having said that,s to me, it seems like a move -- iran, of course, hezbollah an iranian approximate proxy, so iran behind all of this and iran looking prosecute if couch. -- president trump coming in understanding there's a new sheriff in town and things are going to change in dealing with

the united states. but ultimately, are they backing off as they understand that this they probably will be one of the first enemies that will be a target for him? >> well, look, jackie, you put it best, there's a new sheriff in town. they know president trump's coming back. under his maximum pressure campaign, isolating the iranians, the biggest state sponsor of terror in the middle east to, you know, wreaking havoc and causing disruption with all the potential prosperity in that part of the world which is so critically important. you know, president trump put sanctions on iran. they $70 billion or more in sanctions to prevent them from getting international cash into their coffers. what have they done? the biden administration has appeased the iranian administration. president trump is going to the stand tough, he's going to do -- go back to getting out of this kind of, you know, iran nuclear deal-like atmosphere that we have from the biden administration. he's going to stand up to iran. we have all this, you know, people like rob malley, you know, with corruption and people that are really closer to the

iranian regime than the interests of the american people. i think iran recognizes it, and i think the people in the middle east, all of our allies there, are very excited about the prospects of president trump being in and getting back to to where we need to be and bringing back the abraham accords and adding even more members. an incredibly novel concept that president trump spearheaded. it's why i actually nominated president trump for a nobel peace prize, because he's probably the only world leader that came up with an incredible deal who hasn't been nominated, but that just tells you the credibility of that organization. he's really been an incredible world leader, and i think the people are going to to see it in just a few short months. i'm counting down to january 20th. it's going to be very exciting. jackie: yeah. also a, of course, the conflicts between russia and ukraine and these reports that zelenskyy's willing to cede territory to end the war to potentially try to get it back diplomatically later on. this is after so many lives lost, so much destruction of country and so much money sent over by the united states to the

tune of almost $200 billion. many are saying this is also a precursor because things will change when the president-elect is inaugurated. >> well, i think it's important to note that there wasn't any minor incursions, there the wasn't anything that happened under president trump's administration with iran -- or, i mean, with russia and also with ukraine. president trump gave the ukrainians lethal aid. he's going to support ukraine, but he's going to make sure we have good, sensible policy with strong the leaders, not projecting weakness, not, you know, giving in to russia and allowing rush -- russia a to team up with enemies around the world. president trump is going to bring a peaceful solution to ukraine, and i'm really excited about that happening as well. we care about the ukrainian people, but we also cannot continue to have bad policy and keep throwing good money after a bad in the way that the biden administration has a done. jackie: absolutely. meantime, you've been very passionate about our northern border, so we're looking at president trump threatening these tariffs on canada and also

mexico saying we've got to shut our borders down. it's our understanding that most people on the terror watch list are actually coming from the north. >> yeah. well, exactly. look what's happening already, canada's reacting. you saw trudeau down at mar-a-lago. everybody is concerned. the tariffs are a good leverage point that president trump is using and, look, i helped found the northern border security caucus because when i took over my new district, new york 24, i have virtually all of the new york border. it was 85%, now it's the up to 90% of those people on the terror watch list are coming across our northern border. guess who lives in the northern section of my district who hails from jefferson county? tom homan, who's going to be our new border czar. he's got a great plan in place, seal the border, that's what the american people want, send back criminal illegal aliens and help find the 300,000 children that have been human trafficked. stop the control by these cartels and tren de aragua which now has a taken hold in 16

states. that didn't happen under president trump. we're going to stop that. we're pointing to make america safe -- going to make america safe again, and i'm really looking forward to that. tom homan's a great, strong leader for our border, and he's got a law enforcement background, and he's ready to hit the ground running -- jackie: he certainly is ready to go, and he's made that very clear. congresswoman claudia a tenny, great to have you. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. great to be on. jackie: all right. coming up next, the heads of canada and mexico talking to president trump as he threatens tariffs on imported goods over our neighbors' handling of the border. we're going to talk to steve forbes and former acting white house economic adviser thomas phillip phillipson about all that next. ♪

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jackie: canadian prime minister justin trudeau says he's looking forward to working with president-elect trump. trudeau met with trump friday night at mar-a-lago just days after trump declared that he would impose tariffs existence canada and mexico when -- against canada and mexico when he takes office. let's bring in two men who know that tariffs and tax it is very well, steve forbes and thomas tom philipson. great to have you both on the program. tomas, i want to start with you and your reaction to tariffs and how trudeau flew straightaway to mar-a-lago, taking a seat at the table to talk with president trump.

>> yeah. i think it's good that we're using our economic lev are range. they need us a lot more than we need them, essentially, and that's what's being used, you know? about 85% of mexico's exports are to the u.s., 75 of canada's, and a quarter of their gdp is essentially affected. so one way to view this with the trade wars going on is, like, it's good to have a very big stick. just like in regular wars, you want peace through strength, essentially. we have a beg stick. we get our way. that doesn't mean we use the stick, just like with nuclear weapons. we haven't used them since world war ii, but it's gotten our way a lot. you see the negotiation strength we can have by having this big stick. it also means you want to make nontransparent whether you're going to lose the stick just like in military wars, essentially. we saw that with france stepping off, you know, digital taxes in the first administration under trump when we threatened with wine taxes and also the mexico border got cleaned up through

that threat. jackie: right. >> so i think that's the way to view this process. jackie: and, steve, president trump has negotiated with tariffs before. i mean ors he is a master of the art of the deal. many are saying they'd be very surprised if tariffs at a 25% level are, for example, go through and that,s ultimately, he will get what he wants when it comes to drug trafficking and human trafficking and sealing our border to the north and the south. >> i think with canada and mexico that is going to be true. the fact that trudeau, prime minister, went down to mar-a-lago quickly, i think they're boeing to resolve those border issues very quickly -- going to resolve. as with mexico, i think mexico realizes behind the scene scenes it's in its interests to get an agreement on the border. all those people coming through mexico has empowered the cartels even more. mexico is in danger of becoming a narco state, and they want that traffic stopped. we have those -- we had those policies in place when president trump was in office in his first

term, so i think it's going to be status quo. i think we're going do bring back the very policies and measures that stopped the border traffic when donald trump was in office. jackie: yeah. steve, if i can stay with you on doge, department of government efficiency, james comer wants to establish a subcommittee on this to work with musk and vivek ramaswamy to cut system of the, you know, trim the fat. many people are saying, well, this is a made-up institution, it's new. just because they don't understand it, they're not assigning value to it. but if congress gets involved and establishes this subcommittee, it does give it, certainly, more heft. >> well, i think so. and i think the beauty of doge is the very fact that it is an official government agency, so they have the flexibility to do what needs to be done. musk has proven throughout his career that he goes outside that and doesn't do things the way bureaucrats like to do which is why his rocket business is so much better than nasa and anyone else's in the world. so i think you're going to see that here.

they're going to to bring in outsiders. they'll work with congress. so i think they have a good chance to make some real cuts, and that's going to be needed. jackie: yeah. >> we need to get this economy moving. jackie: tomas, they're promising $2 trillion in cuts. if they just go after some of biden's executive orders, things that he decided that he wanted to do on his own without approval of congress, they'll slash a little bit more than half of that. there's a lot of fat to be trimmed here. >> yeah. i mean, the committee for a responsible budget came out with regulatory reforms can save $1.4 trillion roughly, but that's a 10-year figure. be aware of that. it's only about $140 billion a year on a $7 trillion budget. i think the regula la story impact -- regulatory impact of doge is going to be very, very successful especially because the supreme court kind of gave them leverage now with going after a things that the regulatory state should not be involved in, essentially. because usually when you have

regulatory change, the next administration can just come and reverse it. that's now becoming nonreversible thanks to the supreme court, hopefully. the fiscal impact is much tougher. we'll obviously have to work with congress and, obviously, have to deal with the fact that social security, medicare and defense and interest are about 75% of our spending, so you're sort of dealing with the fringe on the margin on spending. jackie: all right. i've got two minutes left and i've got something for each of you. steve, quickly walk me through trump tax cuts, how he'll implement them and how that is going to impact the american people. how they'll feel it in their pocketbook. >> well, i think they're going to renew the tax cut of 2017. allowing that to expire, which the democrats secretly want, would devastate the economy. also they're going to add things like tips and the social security. but another thing i think they're going to end up adding is a can cut in the capital gains tax. why? it's good for the economy but also every time you cut capital gains tax rate, government revenues go up. jackie: right.

>> so in terms of future deficits, that is a deficit fighter. jackie: growth. >> i think you'll see that added in what should be a beautiful package. jackie: yeah. we talk about it all the time. tomas, can keystone pipeline back in play. ultimately, this'll be a big boon to our energy industry. >> yeah. in general, the tax cuts and the regulatory cuts including energy are part of his domestic agenda which i think should be compared to all the discussion of inflationary tariffs, essentially. tariffs are essentially taxes on foreign firms, but we have a lot of trade barriers and tax it is on domestic firms. and -- taxes on domestic firms. and most of our trade is within our country, so we only have 50% roughly of imports coming from foreign firms. so it's not going to be inflationary, the overall package. you might have some upward pressure ifs on prices if the tariffs come in, but that's peanuts relative9 ott downward pressure if on prices coming from reducing trade barriers at

home and domestically or taxes on companies domestically. jackie: that's a perfect way to put it. thank you so much, gentlemen. great to see you this sunday morning, steve forbes and tomas philipson, thank you. coming up, a winning tactic for president-elect trump as his interviews with alternative media paid off with young voters. now democrats are trying to to copy that successful formula, but can they do it? we're going to talk about that it with charlie kirk. that's next. ♪

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money and possible congressional seats. let's bring in former commerce secretary wilbur ross who dealt with the legal challenges on the 2020 the census. secretary ross, it's great to have you on the program today. i want to to get your reaction to this. we rely on this data for so much, and it's cheer that, if the allegations are true, there's politicization of population at play here. >> well, there is always some miscounting in the census. you have 128 or so million households, and not all of the states and not all of the people are equally cooperative. but as a to these percentages, what amount overcount what amount undercount, nobody really knows the exact total. so all they're really saying is that compared with their statistics as to what they think the results should have been, these are the differences.

i don't think it's all that meaningful because every census has had a similar problem. you do is have people -- you do have people who will not respond, and it's just what happens. jackie: okay. all right. of we'll get some more clarity on it december 5th. but while i have you, i want to ask you about your counterpart in the current administration talking about spending whatever money is left down to the last cent, literally. ultimately, people are saying the people have spoken, there's going to be a new president. he's going to have a new economic policy. why do you have to take the coffers down to zero? it almost seems spiceful. >> well, i think -- spite ifful. i think there is plenty of room to cut spending, and i think musk will do a good job of it. this is also some room probably within the census itself because we were not able to get all of

the states to give us all of the administrative records that we could use to double check who's actually where. hopefully with the much running room before the next census which isn't until 2030, hopefully we can get a better handle on administrative records and, therefore, have a better ability to cross-check. jackie: okay. what do you think of reports that indicate that jamie dimon is advising the president-elect through certain channels when he's mainly said he'd want to remain agnostic to a certain degree but, obviously, a very smart person, been in the banking industry for years and years with a lot of clout? do you think that he could be an asset to president-elect trump? >> well, as i've said, i think that when we were last in office, the thing that a businesses were happiest about

was regulatory reform. we cut out manager like -- something like eight a old regulations for every one new one that we put in, and biden subsequently reversed a lot of that and and added a lot of other new regulations. i think just that change, getting rid of what biden instituted and correcting ones that he didn't deal with, will be a huge impact on the economy. jackie: i think you're right. less regulation, more growth, that's the strategy. wilbur ross, thank you so much. great to see you this morning. >> thank you. good to be the on. jackie: okay. voters delivering a final verdict against democrats and their vision for america, but some in the party are focusing more on media platforms instead of policies. "the new york times" with this story last week, quote, republicans built an ecosystem of influencers.

some democrats want one too. democrats were badly outflanked online in the election, and progressive influencers are now trying to create networks to be a left-wing answer to turning point usa. the ceo of one company trying to launch liberal influencers told the times, quote, we got killed in alternative media. republicans have been investing in that space for years, and on the left we've tritted -- treated creators not in legacy media as gig workers. joining us now is the founder of turning point usa, charlie kirk. it's great the you on the program what is your reaction to the fact that the democrats are now trying to copy the republican model because they realize how successful it was with donald trump in the? >> well, hay finally have woken up that their strategy hasn't worked. in the 1920s, radio was finally used in american politics. 1960s, of course, we remember the first televised debate of nixon v. kennedy.

this election will go down in the history books where long form podcasting changed the way voters made their decisions. at turning point, usa, we built an influencer army over the last decade, and we were mocked by many on the left saying, what a waste of time. now the smart people on the left are complaining to the new york times the that what we built actually made a sizable, significant and measurable difference this last election cycle. and president trump deserves extraordinary credit here because he was willing to take the risks to go to long form podcasting. it's very easy to say, oh, yeah, your candidate should copodcastinging. that's three hours of no scripting, no breaks, you have no idea where the conversation's going to go, where it's going to weave, what topics are going to be covered. kamala harris had an opportunity to do it with joe rogan or theo vaughn, and her team said, no, too risky. we're going to keep her in the safe media bubble environment. one of the reasons why we were able to have a red wave and landslide is that our candidate and our entire movement was

willing to go to places where people don't always a share our ideas, have dialogue and discourse and put it on display for tens of millions of voters and young people in particular saw that and voted the most republican they have in over 30 years. jackie: i think you're 100% right on the strategy and the fact that it was unique. but, for example, let's just say kamala harris had sat down with joe rogan. if the messaging isn't on point when you're talking to that crowd of people, you have to know your audience and, obviously, president trump does, if she stuck with her messaging, i'm not necessarily sure it would have had the same impact for her. >> that's a very smart point. there's an argument to be made that she would have done even worse if she sat down with joe rogan. their team had to weigh it. our candidate is not good at defending her positions, and her positions are unpopular, so should we put her into the lion's den of a 3-hour type conversation? and that was one of the other reasons why we saw such historic numbers. our ideas are just better.

they're just common sense. we want border, safe streets, sound currency, efficient government, prosperous economy. young people want to own homes. and the other side, they have radical, left-wing positions that get exposed in that type of long conversation. of podcasting, of dialoguing and social media where you might be able to hide in a 7-minute type, scripted television interview but, boy, when you go to a podcast host with no notes, those ideas get flushed out, and the audience is able to judge significantly and correctly. jackie: and when she had the golden opportunity, she couldn't even take that, and that was the kind of format that we're talking about here. of course, we're going to have much more with you, charlie kirk, so just hang in with us in just a moment right here on "sunday morning futures.

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jackie: and we're back with turning point usa founder charlie kirk. i want to talk to you about aoc. the conversation we were having before the break about messaging and sometimes the democrats doubling down, she's actually asking after this election loss a lot of questions. she kind of wants the to know what went wrong. it seems like she's almost repositioning herself, and while the dem bench right now isn't plentiful, some are saying she could be the nominee in 2028. but if so, it sounds like she's taking an interesting and smart approach. she's not dumb. [no audio] do i have charlie? >> no, not at all. i'm sorry, i thought you were going to play a tape. you're exactly right. aoc has a lot of talent. she has tens of millions of followers on social media, and she needs to be taken seriously. if she were to run for the

democrat presidency within the democrat party, she would be formidable. as republicans, we can make fun of her, but she understands where the energy of the democrat base actually is which is a progressive energy. now, good luck winning in ohio or michigan or wisconsin or pennsylvania, in any of these rust belt states with that sort of radical, left-wing perspective. however, this is the -- whether or not aoc runs for the president presidency will be a very interesting litmus test of where is the center and the soul of the democrat party. are they going to double and triple down on what we would consider woke ideas or policies or try and moderate themselves the way bill clinton did in the 19990s and was able to build a southern democrat strategy that ended up being very, very successful for them in the 1992 and 1996 election. jackie: yeah. >> my bet is there are far too many people on the woke side of the democratic party, i think it's going to go more in the direction of aoc, and she should be taken very sourcely. jackie: you can see with some of these picks of former president

trump's picks for his cabinet, basically, he's filling up the republican bench. there's so much youth and vigor to combat what they're putting out there. ultimately, you think to yourself, he's really setting up the republicans in a great positioning for 2028. >> oh, yeah. i mean, look, we don't want to get too cocky or confident, but we really are seeing a potential for a decade-long governing, let's just say, regime. and i mean that in the best possible way where we can see really low taxes, high growth, secure borders. and you look at this all a-star team that the you have, vivek ramaswamy, marco rubio, elise stefanik, you have this incredible avengers squad not to mention if elon musk, you have j.d. vance, who we'll see if he runs for the presidency in 2028, and the president has set up this republican party to be a party of common sense, to be a party of younger voice, of innovative ideas. and you look around the democrat party, you have to ask the question, where is their bench

in where are their change makers? where are their really interesting types of candidates? the president won this election, and he is going to leave a legacy behind him, one that will keep the maga movement going for many generations to come. jackie: yeah. and the answer doesn't lie in kamala harris or hip political future -- her political future. charlie, i want to ask you about all the folks that do want to serve and those threats that they received before the thanksgiving holiday. ultimately, it's a terrible position to be in, and it really scared a lot of people and makes them want to steer away from politics, yet everybody is standing firm and dealing with it. do you think hale go after those folks who made those threats? >> oh, i sure hope so. look, anyone that makes these kind of disgusting threats should face the entire full force of the federal justice system. talking to some of the people that received those threats such as pete hegseth and many others, their resolve to keep on fighting has only strengthened. they understand they are here to be change makers.

this is not just a normal mandate, this is a historic, once in many lifetimes mandate. and there's going to be agitators, but the team remains stronger than ever. jackie: charlie, great too sew you this morning. that does it for "sunday morning futures." i'm jackie take an ekg from anywhere, but with 6-times the data. can your smartwatch do that? introducing kardiamobile 6l, the fda-cleared ekg that provides six-times more heart data than any smartwatch. and it detects three of the most common arrhythmias in just 30 seconds, including atrial fibrillation, bradycardia and tachycardia. get kardiamobile 6l for just $99 right now, our lowest price of the year, at kardia.com or amazon

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