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crisis of credibility. the white house struggling to defend president biden's decision to pardon his son. chalk it up to so-called war politics. we'll look that one up very soon. good morning, everybody. here we go as we go to war. bill hemmer live in new york. >> dana: i'm great, how are you? i'm dana perino and this is "america's newsroom." what bothers me about this for the white house press secretary. you always have power. you have a choice of what you will say. you are not a powerless person. the fact she made the decisions she made and -- she got put in a position but she has made it worse by rubbing the spot on the wall. also maintains d.o.j. is not politically biased. "new york post" summing it up as the insanity defense. >> bill: all this underscoring donald trump's promise to clean up the department of justice. this as republicans go scorched earth on president biden. >> after saying he wouldn't

pardon his son he turns around and does the very thing. lie at the start, lie at the ending and a terrible four years in between. >> we had sworn testimony, joe biden knew all along what was going on and he lied when he said he wasn't going to pardon his son. >> apparently rock bottom has a basement. >> dana: senator mike rounds is here. let's go to madeleine rivera at the white house. >> good morning. the president in angola this morning ignored more questions from reporters why he chose to pardon his son. the white house in trying to explain the president's actions says two things can be true. >> the president does believe in the justice system and the department of justice. he also believes that his son was singled out politically and this is what we saw over and over and over again over the last couple of years. >> "new york times" article details how the president came to his decision. the discussions were reportedly

kept within the biden family and defense lawyers that largely insular process explaining how white house officials scrambled to defend the about face. it is not the only high-profile reversal the president has made. think back to his decision to run for re-election despite saying in the 2020 campaign that he saw himself as a transition candidate. some democrats are bitter about that seeing it as one reason why they lost the white house. he also said he was sharp in his interview with hur. he later described the man as elderly with a poor memory. political ramifications for the president remain unclear. democrats are worried the president's pardon will end up hurting them. >> i know there was a real strong sentiment and, you know, wanting to protect hunter biden from unfair prosecution. but this is going to be used against us. >> meantime hunter biden's legal team wants automatic dismissals of gun and tax cases.

david weiss takes issue with that and does not dispute that hunter received a pardon but he says a pardon doesn't absolve hunter of guilt and he is not a victim of selective prosecution. >> dana: we saw a quote from some of the senators. independent senator joe manchin is retiring and independent weighing in now. what he did say? >> he said the president should go one step further and pardon trump. >> as a father, i don't know a father would wouldn't have done the same differently. my recommendation why don't you pardon donald trump? for all his charges and make it -- it would have gone down a lot more balanced. i'm just saying, wipe them out. >> legacy, i don't know, it makes it difficult. >> the possibility of president biden pardoning president-elect trump highly unlikely. bill and dana, back to you. >> bill: so there is a million

opinions on this and that's just in washington, d.c. you've got this from the "wall street journal." a couple views we get online. pardon me, dad, president tries to rewrite the facts about his son's prosecutions to justify breaking norms. then this from "the new york times." how biden changed his mind on pardoning hunter. time to end all of this. president biden was deeply concerned that legal problems would push his son into a relapse after years of sobriety and began to realize there might not be any way out beyond issuing a pardon. we can debate that. nbc reporting in private it was on the table in june and in july. publicly it was never on the table and they stuck to that story. for better or worse. >> dana: you imagine all the moms and dads who watched their children struggle with drug abuse who forced their kids or the kids are forced to face the consequences of their actions and not so much in this case.

why i think it is resonating. if you think there are opinions on the internet you should have seen the ones on my couch last night from peter. he has thoughts. a couple of trump's cabinet nominees are expected on capitol hill today looking to drum up support for their confirmations. want to bring in senator mike rounds, republican of south dakota. how are the visits going in your opinion? kash patel is nominated by president-elect trump for the f.b.i. headlines here, msnbc says he is worse than incompetent. "new york times" says patel has plans to remake the f.b.i. into a too will trump. "washington post" column a dangerous and unqualified choice for the f.b.i. and rolling stone not sure why we care about that. they said he has a long history of maga money grabs and cringe memes as this they are disqualifying. what do you think will happen with this nomination and how are the visits going?

>> we're early in the process but reach out to our office. we look forward to visiting with kash in the next couple of weeks. normally what the members will do or nominees will go committee by committee. we met with elise stefanik. had great meeting with her. strong on taking care of the challenges around china. we had some legislation together. i've known her and worked with her in the past. those are the types of meetings they want to start out with. they will give the folks confidence to continue to move their way down the line in the list and answer questions. also prepare themselves for the actual hearings in front of the committees. i'm optimistic and i think republicans want to see president trump get his team in place and very quickly so that he can hit the ground running. the fact that they've started this far in advance will give them a real head start on getting some of their legislation in place and really

hit the ground running. kash patel has reached out and looking forward to visiting with him as well. we also have doug collins coming in and visiting with him for the v.a. happening this week. pete hegseth, we'll meet with him this week as well. they are working them down the line to folks on the committees having open hearings. the vast majority, i think, of the members take the same approach. give that president the benefit of the doubt. let's get his team together. let's get them in place and start moving forward. we have a lot of work to do in a short period of time. >> bill: at the moment will they will go through? >> good question. i think they've got a real good shot at it. naturally there will always be a couple folks ask difficult questions. as long as these folks have got the right answers, set down and visit in advance i think they have a good shot of getting them all through. once again, the president has a lot to say about it.

he will listen to advice from the senate and he will make a decision if he wants to make any changes. but i'm pretty optimistic that republicans will stick together and get the job done. >> bill: let's go overseas right now. a post that got a lot of attention. if the hostages are not released prior to january 20, 2025, the date that i proudly assume office as president of the united states, there will be hell to pay -- all hell to pay in the middle east, end quote. your reaction on that? >> refreshing change in the approach on foreign policy. let's lay this stuff out. look, it is time to bring these hostages home and you aren't going to do that by just trying to appease these terrorist groups. so actually having a president that will not try to simply get by the way that president biden has in all these different cases where they provide just enough aid to keep things going but not enough to allow our allies to actually claim victory.

that doesn't work. you have got to be able to come in and stand strong and stand with your allies. i think just the fact that president trump isn't afraid to turn around and say exactly what he is thinking and let the rest of the world know there is a sheriff in town again. that makes a big difference in terms of the security not just for our all aisles but our country as well. we have a lot of work to do to get our defensive and offensive capabilities back operational again. >> dana: can you comment on this quickly? u.s. aid to ukraine was announced yesterday, another $725 million worth of weapons. zelenskyy saying that if we want to stop the hot stage of the war take under nato umbrella the territory of ukraine we have under control but basically is talking about the possibility of inching towards a deal. how do you see that? >> first of all that $7$25 million we authorized that months ago. if the biden administration hadn't been slow walking that aid they would have had it already. it could have been done already and helped them in their

attempts to slow down and to push russia back. so that's been the challenge we've had with this administration all along. they are doing just enough. that's all going to change. the second piece on this is president zelenskyy, in my opinion has been stalwart in terms of defense of his country and wanting to maintain the sovereignty of ukraine, i admire him. what he is saying is look, if we become part of nato or get some indication from nato russia will back off. i don't know what the new administration will say. before we jump ahead we'll let the president make his ideas known and get in office and start talking about a foreign policy that works to stop russia. look, putin is bad news for our country. he is not the kind of guy you can necessarily negotiate with but president trump has said he definitely wants to stop the blood shed overthere. we agree we want to stop it. let's give the president the opportunity to put his policies in place and see what happens.

>> bill: big doings for us and the world. mike rounds, south dakota. thank you. meanwhile president-elect trump back on the world stage heading to paris this weekend in his first trip overseas as president-elect. putting his stamp on hot button issues. bill melugin has that live today in west palm beach, florida. good morning there. >> good morning to you as well. trump says there has been too much talk and too little action when it comes to the hostages being held in gaza and he is putting hamas on notice. threatening them essentially saying if those hostages aren't released by the time he takes office, they will have some serious, sir use problems. senator tom cotton said that approach reminds him of ronald reagan. >> all the terrorists holding hostages and patrons in iran better turn over those hostages by january 20th. exact will i what happened when

ronald reagan become president in 1981 after jimmy carter failed to get hostages for more than 400 days. >> we're learning new details about trump's dinner with canadian prime minister just justin trudeau on friday night. it lasted three hours and two sources who were at the table tell fox that trump told trudeau he will hit canada can 35% tariffs. trudeau said he can't fix the deficit because it would kill the economy of canada. trump responded you are your country can't survive unless it's ripping off the u.s.? maybe canada can be the 51st state. but the message was delivered by trump. you better get that deficit fixed asap. attorney general pick pam bondi

and d.o.d. pick pete hegseth on capitol hill today. meeting with republican lawmakers. meetings are expected to continue today. trump senior advisor jason miller says trump is putting together when he sees as a dream team. >> look at these fantastic cabinet picks. pam bondi, kash pat el to lead the f.b.i. you go all around the horn with these cabinet picks and so impressive and especially when you look at 2024 versus 2016. president trump has his cabinet in place and they all believe in the agenda. he will bring real change to washington. >> trump will be making his first northern trip as president-elect. he announced last night he will be in paris on saturday where he will attend the reopening of the iconic notre dame cathedral. it has been restored after we all remember that huge fire five years ago partially destroyed part of it. we'll send it back to you. >> bill: good opportunity to

have a conversation with a french leader behind closed doors. thanks. >> blaming really looking at what truly happened. >> we'll audit everything. we'll audit the campaign and future forward and audit the dnc. >> we need a complete reboot with the dnc and need a complete rebranding. >> bill: days of reckoning for democrats. the party looking for a way forward after historic losses in november. >> dana: we are awaiting the arrival of marine veteran daniel penny at a new york city courthouse. closing arguments in his manslaughter trial set to resume and the jury could begin deliberations as soon as today. >> bill: out of chicago residents there are fed up accusing the democratic mayor of putting the priorities of migrants over those who live there and pay taxes there. >> another property tax hike

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>> dana: shocking numbers from ice show more than 58,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions or facing charges are living here in new york city. mayor eric adams says he must abide by the city's sanctuary laws but is calling for change. we're following all the details. >> you don't have to be good at math and figure out this is a huge problem in new york city and across the country. now new york immigration officials are telling me they need more resources fast because it could take a lifetime to remove the thousands of migrants who have a criminal history in the big apple. border czar tom homan said the

sanctuary laws have to change. >> we're not asking local law enforcement to be immigration officers. let us in your jail. let us in your publicly funded jails to take custody of an illegal alien that you decided to lock into a jail cell because he is a public safety threat. >> how many migrants are criminal histories are out an the streets in new york city? ice says more than 58,000 with felony records or pending criminals charges are in new york city. nypd has been investigating numerous criminal cases involving migrant suspect including this attack that happened in times square. a group of migrant men beat two nypd officers badly. not their first arrest. for more than two years new york city hotels like this one have been flooded with migrants and people used to pay a lot of money for that hotel. roosevelt hotel around the holidays. thousands were just coming into the city and staying there for free. and the nearly 7.8 million

illegal immigrants in the u.s., there are at least 8.6% that had convicted criminals or charges that are pending. that's just through the ice data from this past summer. it is unclear how many of these migrants are suspected gang members. heard a lot about the tren de aragua gang, the popular gang affiliation for venezuelan migrants popping up with crimes across the city. and across the country. we'll keep an eye on what happens next. >> dana: thank you so much. as a mayor you could say i want to do this. if the city council says no we don't, then you are a little bit between. maybe tom homan and eric adams can work something out. >> bill: he suggested he and adams will meet maybe later this week. >> new york city, there is a target-rich. democratic mayor, a former cop, is ready to work with you? >> i hope so. i've been notified he wants to sit down and meet with me.

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>> we are coming for your seats. >> if you are so strong about protecting those aliens but you won't do nothing for the u.s. citizens. >> bill: the former governor of illinois knows the state all too well. good morning, sir, thank you for your time. here is the budget shortfall for 2025. call for number two. $982 million. chicago alone $5 hundred million. the cost of the migrant crisis. johnson defends it. >> i guess the noise around my administration. i'm doing it differently and i know it feels a certain way but i'm doing it better. we'll have a balanced budget that invests in people. >> bill: he said he would not raise property taxes and that's his proposal now. how is chicago going to get out

of this mess? >> by having another mayor. mayor johnson the lori lightfoot 2.0. what they've done is destroying a great city with great people in it. it is because their priorities are all wrong. they are putting the interests of migrants who come into our country illegal above law abiding people who work hard and pay taxes. this budget crisis is a direct result of those misplaced priorities. the people are getting it and that's why the mayor just in a recent poll evidently 80% or better of the people polled strongly disapprove of the job he is doing. only 14% approve. so i think if we can get a different mayor we do a lot better in the city. we're stuck with him for a few years and they have to make hard decisions. the last thing they should do is raise taxes on the people. this is chicago. a whole bunch of social lifts on the city council and i predict there will be a property tax increase of the people of

chicago to pay for misplaced priorities. >> bill: he told the people of chicago how he would govern when he ran as a progressive and they voted for him. i showed numbers there. $600 million on shelter and services to 51,000 illegals. we'll see whether or not how many of those communities cooperate with ice when president trump goes into office. meanwhile another story that is somewhat relevant to you. what do you make of this pardon on behalf of joe biden knowing that, you know, you went to prison eight years i believe you served. your sentence was commuted by then president trump. did joe biden make the right move? >> first of all my case is different from hunter biden. he really committed crimes. i didn't. i was in prison for politics. i wouldn't give in to weaponized prosecutor. joe biden is a father, i'm a father. i have to think under the same circumstances i probably would have done the same thing for my child. having said that i wouldn't have lied to the american people.

joe biden knew all along he was going to do this for his son. how could he not? right from the beginning he lied to the american people making chufrms of the american people and another lie coming from democratic political leaders with cynical purposes for political reasons instead of being straight with the american people. it was wrong the way he handled it. hard for me to condemn a guy for looking after his son. >> bill: thank you for your time. come back soon. there you go, in chicago. thank you. good luck in that town. great town. see what they do. >> dana reads sports. >> looked like secured it as he was headed out of bounds. here is a pick. intercepted and that should end the night. mcmillan the other way, touchdown broncos. >> dana: broncos sealed the deal against the browns with a late interception in the fourth quarter. broncos winning 41-32.

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he leads the republican by 143 votes. still up in the air right now. want to show you right now what donald trump had proposed for cabinet members, so matt gaetz was in and now out and leaving congress entirely. elise stefanik upstate new york is nominated and mike waltz from florida. two of those three seats will have special elections that will not be determined until april. so then you have to figure out what's happening in new york as well. in case you are keeping score right here as we always do. this is what we see right now in terms of republicans at 220, democrats at 214. 218 is the simple majority. again it will be a majority but ever so close. let's bring in two guys who know something something about this. who are these guys? >> dana: karl rove and charlie hurt, fox news contributors. what is it like when you have

such a narrow house majority? >> it is difficult. >> dana: everybody is a king. >> everybody wants something and everybody is a king. we came down to a narrow vote in the house over a trade bill and it came down to were we going to have an off ramp built in clayton county, missouri and literally yeah, no, everybody becomes a king or queen and it's not going to be pleasant for the white house and not going to be pleasant for the leadership because everybody will be saying i might be able to go along with this >> dana: if i get this or that. >> big things. write a budget for fiscal year 2025. a tax bill that needs to go through budget reconciliation before it can be brought up and i mean you talk about all the other kinds of things that the administration will be trying to do, my sense is they are coming out of the gate strong and fast on a wide variety of fronts and have to do that with a slim majority. >> bill: republicans say a

majority is a majority. that's the case they are making. >> that's what we've had for better parts of the last year. i don't give a darn whether it's 222, 225, 218 as long as we have a majority, we can deliver with donald trump for the american people. >> it is true you get to pick the speaker and that does help a whole lot even if it's just by one vote. made more difficult by the fact that the republicans are the party supposedly that don't like earmarks so that takes a lot of grease out of the works that make some of these things work. things like the budget will be impossible to deal with but the good thing for the maga movement is that trump ran on a series of issues that are actually very centrist issues, not partisan right wing agenda issues.

so i think if they focus on big, broad issues like immigration, like securing the border, which democrats have a record of opposing, then you can sort of put them in a really bad spot and actually win the fight and then also win -- get something done but also win politically in a way that puts a lot of democrats in really bad situations running for re-election. >> dana: democrats are in a bad situation trying to figure it out. two guys talking about what they think the democratic party needs to do moving forward, james carville and tim ryan. watch. >> the resistance is going to have trouble raising money. these fundraisers are pissed now. the damage that the 2025 campaign has done, the damage that this decade has done to democratic brand is almost unfathomable. >> you start with a complete

reset. we need a rebrand. our brand is toxic in so many places and you are a democrat? >> dana: all very interesting, karl. both of these people are not being listened to from democrats in power now. >> there is a big battle. will it be more centrist or more progressive? is this a marketing problem or is this an issue problem? is there coalition deteriorating or is this an anomaly. no agreement inside the democratic party and no obvious leader to say this is the course we'll take. they elect a democratic national chairman. we don't know anything about who will be the national democratic chairman. when they get elected unless it's rahm emanuel we won't knowing anything about them either. >> bill: we have yet to find a county that kamala harris flipped. if that holds through, that's the first time any nominee has

done that or failed to do that i should say in 100 years. >> it's shocking and i think it reveals an even bigger problem. i think carville is right. the problem within the democratic party is deeper than we realize and this is what happens when you have a party not brought together by a philosophy. they are brought together by this weird identity politics thing where you put together a bunch of people based on gender, or race or whatever it is. like the tower of babel. it falls apart. the good thing about the maga movement there is a philosophical argument and republicans all along i think there has been a philosophical thing that joins them. makes things difficult sometimes. >> dana: they knocked on 2,000 doors in a half hour. [laughter] >> that number first election since 1932, it really is amazing.

barry goldwater goes to a smashing defeat and flips counties, 1936 lon don loses badly. takes two states and flips counties, including two in texas. it is like this is just absurd that they could not break through. i think it is -- i think the problem is not necessarily they don't have an ideology. it's that the ideology they have depicted themselves as is d.e.i. and it is out of touch. it is weird. >> dana: it is d.e.a.d. >> bill: thanks for being here. >> i think it is a sham. >> his son, he wants to keep him safe. >> i think it confirms a lot of what i have heard, he is a liar. and that is just another one of his lies. >> dana: many americans angry at president biden for pardoning his son after promising not to. how has that got the white house bending over backwards.

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>> there is a cover-up in our government or trying to steer people toward one concept of what maybe happened. we'll have a chance in the next

administration to have the open conversations about what true science really is. >> dana: congressman brad within strop is the chair of the house covid subcommittee talking about the release of the panel's 520-page report after a two-year investigation into the pandemic. a big take away from the report is a distrust in leadership. it claims some of the cdc guidance did more harm than good. want to bring in fox news senior medical analyst dr. marc siegel. great to have you here. one thing i will give you an example fauci's testimony. they said the six feet apart social distancing recommendation which shut down schools and small businesses across the country was arbitrary and not based on science. during closed door testimony dr. fauci testified the guidance sort of just appeared. you know you still see evidence of this with the stickers that are left over on even like beautiful buildings for people to stay six feet apart. it was not even scientifically

backed, sir. >> actually i know where it came from and will shock you, maybe dr. fauci doesn't want to say this. it came from the 1918 spanish flu. it's a different virus and they should have known that from the beginning. that's what congressman within strop is talking about. he wants our leaders to admit where the intel comes from. right from the beginning we had another pandemic 100 years ago and used six foot then. this is a different virus. we don't know if it will work and we don't have any other tools now. that would have come across better. i have to commend him for praising operation warp speed. it has become so political and he says look, a public/private partnership that brought us these tools. antivirals, vaccines, unprecedented speed is something we should all congratulate bipartisan get behind.

i'm glad that's in there. >> dana: another piece says on school closures the science never justified prolonged school disclosures, children experienced historic learning loss, higher rates of psychological distress and decreased physical well-being. the effects are still being felt today and parents are teachers are dealing with it everywhere. you made a point in the commercial break. your bottom line in all of this is more transparency? >> yeah. when it comes to schools, "the new york times" was three years behind us here at fox because we said back in 2020, kids are going to suffer as a result of this and danny benjamin from duke, a great researcher, proved that keeping schools open decreased spread of the virus. even if you were hyperventilating over this virus you should look at the whole picture. another thing this report brings up. what's the whole picture? what's the collateral damage that is going to happen from the move you make?

you close schools, kids are at home and people especially kids in poor communities are going to spread more covid at home than they would at the school. >> dana: quick answer on this. we know that pandemics come now and again. sometimes it's 100 years but not always. sometimes much sooner. do you think our federal government will have learned these lessons for the next time? >> i hope so. let me tell you the biggest lesson quickly. we have to get in there and figure out what's happening on the ground. dr. redfield head of cdc at the time wanted boots on the ground in the lab. still a big debate where covid came from. we're very suspicious about the wuhan institute of virology. more evidence linking it to the wet market. bottom line we can't know the answer unless we have international worldwide cooperation and not the world health organization saying this is a regional problem only when it was already spreading around the world probably from the lab, possibly from the market. all of this kept from the

public. can't have that again. >> dana: thank you for coming on today. i'm sure we'll see you soon. thank you. >> bill: here we go. daniel penny will be back inside that courthouse in new york city. prosecutors are expected to wrap up their closing arguments this morning. jurors could get the case for deliberations today. so stay tuned on that. plus north carolinians are facing brutal winter weather. conditions mean living in the aftermath of hurricane helene could be very difficult. we'll take you there and let you know what's happening moments away. you're the first to know when high rate debt is stressing your budget. but your family's service has earned you a big advantage. the va home loan benefit. with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan, you can pay off high rate credit cards and car loans. that's real money you can use to take care of your family and home.

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>> bill: now we have winter weather bearing down on western north carolina. the mountains, more than two months after hurricane helene just devastated communities there. many families still homeless as the cold weather rolls in. steve harrigan is live in newland, 90 minutes northeast of asheville.

how are they dealing there? hello. >> it is rough here, bill. 25 degrees, snow is coming down. two months after the storm there are still 5,000 families in temporary hotels or inns with christmas coming up, pinky anderson said it is tough to explain to her daughter what their situation is. >> she asks me every day mom, will we be in our home for thanksgiving? no, honey, mom, will we be in our home for christmas? i don't think so. so -- yeah. so it's -- my concern is for her. i can deal with it. but my concern is to see her heartbreaking and it's been very difficult. >> when you talk to people here, it is clear they are tough. they don't complain but really there is a sense that they have been forgotten by fema.

>> i'm not too impressed with fema. they have put off my case. i had an inspection october 24th. the flood happened september 27th. and the flood -- there was milton the hurricane that came after that. fema has been really backed up but i was told by my inspector on october 24th that i would hear something within ten days and it's already december 2nd and i haven't heard anything. >> so waiting and waiting and the frustration is growing. this is the mayor's house behind me. mostly destroyed. so you can tell no favortism going on here. the scope of the destruction is everywhere you look. >> bill: good to know you are there, steve.