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>> harris: we begin with fox news alert. double pardon power. president biden fixed things for his son, hunter, with a sweeping pardon. and it more than appears that the biggest advantage goes to joe biden himself. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." the presidential pardon reaches back to 2014. and that means hunter biden is off the hook for crimes that his then vice president father could have been implicated in. after countless denials, a pardon was possible, biden doesn't want to talk about what turned out to be a batch of lies. he said that it would never happen. now we know it was more than just possible, it was going to happen. a slap in the face to the american people. >> mr. president, why did you change your mind and pardon your son? ♪

>> harris: critics really went after the white house's attempted defense of biden. they've been defending the man for years, that's what they do. it's in the job description. but they are using some odd terminology. check out spokeswoman karine jean-pierre and she said this three times. >> he also believes that the war of politics infected the process and led to a miscarriage of justice, his words, raw politics has affected this process and led to a miscarriage of justice. >> harris: you heard it. war politics. really? the "new york post" pouncing with the cover blaring insanity defense. the president's stunning flip-flop heating up the news cycle. just a tiny sample of scathing headlines. lies, damn lies in the pardon of hunter. like many dream congratulations the biden crime family is above the law and this cements joe biden's record of shame and

failure, constitutional law attorney jonathan turley with this. >> he is pardoning his son for any crime he may have committed during these years. everything from money laundering to murder. this sweeps into offenses that have been alleged not just against hunter biden, but implicated the president himself. so he is also a beneficiary from this pardon. >> harris: senior national correspondent rich edson and i were talking about this yesterday. the benefit for joe biden are endless here maybe. the white house, you are there, tell us more. >> good morning, harris. well, president biden maintains that his son was unfairly and selectively prosecuted. special counsel in charge of those prosecutions david weiss is responding to that in a court filing he says there never has been any evidence of vindictive or selective prosecution in this case. brand-new pardon hunter and his attorneys argue the indictments

against him, gun charges in delaware and tax charges should be di missed. they maintain because no judgment has been or will be entered in the case the appropriate resolution is to dismiss the indictment while noting it is due to a pardon. special counsel says that's nonsense. weiss says hunter is falsely claiming the charges against him were improperly motivated and no court agrieved with the defendant on these baseless came and no support-in-law or the practice of this district. the defendant's motiono dismiss the indictment should be denied. meanwhile, more democrats are criticizing the president's family pardon. >> i know a father wanting to protect his son. just from a human element we get that. i do think a lot of us feel like this was somewhat politically motivated but it sets a bad precedent. >> this is incredibly unhelpful when you think about the

precedent it is going to set for donald trump. it is a gift to donald trump because he is going to come here and claim that he is just doing what joe biden did. >> president biden is still in angola and returns to the white house, or scheduled to, thursday. back to you, harris. >> harris: thank you. the "wall street journal"'s new editorial is titled pardon me, dad, the hunter biden story. a short story. dad cleaned up your mess like he is apparently used to doing. i hope people understand why a father would come to this decision. as a father, yes, what a pitiful end to his presidency. in 2020 he promised to return to normalcy and claimed hunter's laptop was russian disinformation. then he tried to be fdr, i guess, encouraging the prosecution of trump and giving his son a get out of jail free card. the history books will not be

kind. americans who were also not kind about the president's decision, here they are. >> he was crooked as a senator, he was crooked as a president. his son is just as crooked. >> scandals. zblie personally think the biden family is a bunch of crooks. >> not surprised, disappointed. >> it sums up the lack of real leadership going on. >> he is a liar. and that was just another one of his lies. >> harris: he wasn't the only one lying because he was the president and the liberal media lied for him. many people lied for him and with him. jason chaffetz, fox news contributor, former republican congressman from utah and former oversight chairman of the oversight committee. great to see you today. that's really the problem. it goes beyond hunter biden. nobody cares about him, not really. you know, wish him well with his drug americans. millions of americans have the same thing. we pray for them, too. that doesn't make everybody a

criminal. the president benefits from this wide sweeping pardon. >> there is no way joe biden is going to leave office without pardoning his brother, probably other biden family members because the work of james comer at the oversight committee has exposed this pay to play scheme. they are going to, i think, have many more pardons to come before they actually finish this thing. you have know what? i'm not buying this idea that well, it is a dad. every dad would do that. not every dad would do that. what about a little tough love saying there are consequences for your life. i think part of the problem. my own personal observation, i look at this and say he has never been held to account for anything in his life. he has lived the life of privilege and never had to have any responsibility in his life. he profited from it. >> harris: so did the liberal media for a while, right? now they are feeling the pinch of what it means when the truth comes out.

the russian information, the hoax, the laptop, all of it, he lied about that. and then the media lied about it taking his queue. he was the president. >> he was. they lied about it every single step of the way saying he had never had a discussion about the business partners and there is photos. look at the photos of this stuff. he lied every single step of the way. i don't think the american people -- i think his legacy will be in large part this. because he lied to so many people every single step of the way. >> harris: and had to be kicked out of that seat for kamala harris and she couldn't win. what an unmitigated mess for democrats. >> dad watched hunter benefit from this. he wrote a book. doing this netflix movie allegedly, shows up at the hearing. flaunts congress so he can get some video for this supposed netflix thing. i don't know if that's happening or not. they were totally fine benefiting from all these crimes. what about all the women in

these crimes that they totally ignore all of that. >> harris: wow, some of them are caught on video on youtube. a lot of reaction from democrats, as you might imagine. big names are staying out of the spotlight. where are they? notable silence from a lot of governors with possible 2028 aspirations. california's gavin newsom, michigan gretchen whitner, pritzker, also nothing from senators ralph warnock and amy klobuchar and cory booker, why nothing from these people? >> if they were going to show a little leadership and principle they could come out with something and stop telling us it is a gift to trump. trump's kids aren't doing this garbage that hunter did. it is so fundamentally wrong. make a statement. tell us where you stand on this. if you want to be a leader and governor and want to go for higher office you better darn

well tell us quickly where you are on this. >> harris: biden comes back in a couple days after going to a south -- mostly southwestern country on the continent of africa, angola. my first question for him to be why did you wait until now? now that we know this has been talked about for months and all over the thanksgiving holiday, what was the goal here? >> it was all about the sentencing coming up. starting to be in the news cycle. they would have to go through that again. i do believe by the time we roll through january 20th, you are going to see other biden pardons and he is going to protect the whole family. it was a big family business. >> harris: wow, jason chaffetz, thank you. illegal immigrant crime a scourge on our nation. new york is down right frightening. it has been for a time. it continues. trump's incoming border czar has plans to meet with the mayor of

new york city to make safety a priority. plus witnesses are defending how daniel penny reacted to jordan neely on a new york city subway last year. >> harris: the jury is expected to deliberate now to determine whether daniel penny is guilty of manslaughter. paul mauro, attorney and former nypd inspector in "focus" next. i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you have served our country honorably. one of the benefits that we as a country give you as a veteran is the eligibility for a va loan, for up to 100 percent of your home■s value. if you need cash for your family call newdayusa. with automatic authority from the va we can say yes

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>> harris: fox news alert. new york city prosecutors are wrapping up their closing

arguments this morning in the daniel penny criminal trial. the judge will then instruct the jury, they will deliberate whether the marine veteran is guilty of recklessly killing jordan neely on the subway last year. they were in a locked subway car with a crowd of people. now a crowd outside the court this morning is not waiting for the verdict. [crowd chanting guilty] >> harris: more barricades are up around the area. likely in case of protesting after the actual verdict. daniel penny's attorneys argue he was protecting fellow passengers from jordan neely and his threats. listen very carefully to how witnesses who were locked inside underground a subway car describing the terror that they went through.

charges of manslaughter in the second degree and criminally negligent homicide as well. if found guilty of more serious charge of manslaughter, he could spend a maximum of 15 years in prison. in "focus" now paul mauro, fox news contributor and attorney and retired nypd inspector. the words are chilling. they say he said, jordan neely, someone is dying today. >> that goes to the threat that he presented, right? this whole case is a balancing

act. prosecution is saying in some -- penny went too far. jordan neely was a form of a threat but penny went too far. defense is saying no, he met the threat with a commensurate amount of force under the reasonable person test and you don't have to take daniel penny's word for it. you have all those witnesses. that's pretty compelling for a jury. >> harris: paul, talk to me, though, about the moments after the police officers got there. you were an inspector at the nypd. they were going by the book. first of all, daniel penny, they took into custody and took him down for questioning. he was not arrested. jordan neely is on the ground and not dead. >> he still had a faint pulse when they got there. by the time they get penny back to the station house cops are aware of the fact neely expired. penny doesn't know that neely is dead. they give him an open-ended video and let him talk. he does himself a lot of favors

in that interview. that's why he didn't testify. there is important stuff in there. he says things like i only wanted to restrain him. he kept struggling. that's key because that means that he was meeting what he felt was the threat with commensurate force. the police then don't arrest him. that's the >> harris: they don't arrest him. >> they give it to the d.a. for a grand jury. alvin bragg's office for further investigation for presentation to the grand jury. >> harris: if somebody is in mead danger you pick him up. ten days later they arrest him. >> they picked him up after the protests started. it never got to a grand jury. >> harris: quickly talk to me about how you think this will go today. >> this is tough. they will finish up with closing arguments and go to the charge

to the jury and a version of what i said. reasonable test, did he go too far? if you have reasonable doubt, however, then you have to come back with not guilty. really that's where the defense is hanging its hat. 12 people there all ride the subways, all new yorkers, one of them -- one of them says you know what? if i was in that car i would have been thanking daniel penny as well. you have at least a hung jury. >> harris: how much of the medical do you see in this case? what you were talking to me about injury to the neck and all that, it is important. >> judge jeanine is the only one i've seen pull this out. no neck bones broken. the hyoid bone breaks easily. not broken here. that came out in the medical testimony from the defense witness. i think to me that goes to the fact that witnesses and daniel penny all say i just was trying to restrain him and it went the way it went. >> harris: the drug k-2 was in

his system. we had dr. boyden saying yeah, it is a problem for the victim to have had that in his system. let's get to this. new york city police arrested a 13-year-old illegal immigrant saying he and three other masked suspects beat and stabbed a man in times square a couple of nights ago on sunday. the reason apparently because that man would not take their picture. well, those three other suspects are still free right now. still trying to find them. we're seeing stories like this day after day after day. still many democrat-led city mayors and democrat lawmakers still say they will resist president-elect trump's deportation plans. even though we know we have this illegal border crossers known to kill in their previous countries and they have killed here, too. new york city mayor eric adams is not among them, though. he says he looks to respect new york's sanctuary policies,

trump's incoming border czar tom homan hopes to meet with adams. >> notified he wants to sit down and meet with me. i'm willing to meet with anybody to help make their communities safer. prioritization is public safety threats. work with us on that and make your your community is safer and keeps the community and officers safe. let's work together and get this done. >> harris: there are more than 58,000 illegal immigrants in new york city alone. put your mind there for a minute. many of them are concentrated in areas around the city. you see where they are. many of them have criminal backgrounds. all 58,000 of those have criminal backgrounds. there are more of them here than that 58,000, no doubt. those are the ones we know about. more than 1,000 have a known gang affiliation. in mexico a new caravan of at least 1500 people now headed toward our southern border. some among them say it will be

easier to get into the united states before trump takes office. initial thoughts on this. >> so i think one of the things that has to happen here is a good sign that homan and adams are going to meet. you need more leaders like that willing to meet with the federal government here and say the following. look, we will cooperate on criminals. too many of these democratic leaders across the country have decided they will make themselves political martyrs to fight the trump regime. >> harris: defending killers? >> exactly. laken riley, rachel morin, we could go on. why making themselves defense attorneys for some of america's worst predators? concentrate on the migrant criminals killing, by the way, women. you are not supposed to notice this but if you look at the roster of people that are being victimized, it is women. you can't not notice it. somehow or other we're supposed to look the other way. >> harris: sanctuary is a law. >> it is a law in new york

state. kathy hochul could eliminate tomorrow. in new york city you have to get it through city council. the mayor should do something to hone the sanctuary laws they concentrate on migrant criminals. you gain a lot of political purchase and he needs it right now. >> harris: tom homan is coming and you and i both know him and he is going to get some help if eric adams takes it. good to see you, thank you. president-elect donald trump's transition is moving full steam ahead and agenda taking shape. he is already using his bully pulpit both domestically and abroad. trump plans to visit paris later this week for the reopening of the notre dame cathedral. five years ago they had a massive fire. we watched it live. tough to watch. this will be trump's first trip overseas as president-elect number 47. trump-vance advisor jason

miller. >> you look at the mentality that president trump is bringing in saying the u.s. should not be the world police. we will bring peace and stability. >> harris: let's go to west palm beach, florida. bill melugin. bill. >> harris, we're learning more details about trump's three-hour dinner with canadian prime minister justin trudeau at mar-a-lago an friday. everything we're being told trump put trudeau on notice and gave him an ultimate im. two source eaves at the table for that dinner tell fox news that trump told trudeau e is going to hit canada with 25% tariffs across the board if trudeau doesn't fix canada's massive trade deficit with the united states. which trudeau replied he can't fix it or it would wreck the canadian economy. trump replied so your country can't survive unless you are ripping off the u.s. to the tune of $1 hundred billion? maybe we should just make canada the 51st u.s. state and make you

the governor. we're told trudeau laughed nervously and brushed it off. trump's message was delivered. fix it or else. in the meantime two of trump's cabinet picks are back on capitol hill attorney. pam bondi and pete hegseth. they are continuing their meetings with republican lawmakers. those meetings have been underway since yesterday. back out here live we're learning that trump called into a closed-door republican senator's meeting on capitol hill today meeting to talk about the upcoming legislative agenda with the new congress starting next year. they got the white house, the house, and the senate. they are talking about their priorities, trump wanted to call in and be part of that conversation as harris this transition process is full steam ahead. >> harris: it is full steam ahead and the majority is very, very slim in the house. you know the timing on this has to be pitch perfect. they have to get a lot done very quickly. bill, thank you very much.

hamas is still holding american citizens. where are the protests? where is everybody? we want our hostages back. every country does. yeah, silence. president-elect trump is now vowing to do what the biden administration could not or would not do, get those hostages home. he has a stark warning to hamas. the effects of covid lockdowns and restrictions will affect americans for decades to come. some people will suffer forever. >> there is a cover-up within our government. at least trying to steer people towards one concept of what maybe happened. we'll have a chance in the next administration to actually have the open conversations about what true science really is. >> harris: we're thirsty for that. a new report on the pandemic vindicates critics who were still asking if we could see any accountability.

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>> harris: the u.s. brokered cease-fire between israel and hezbollah may be collapsing, that was quick. israel and hezbollah traded fire and israel launched air strikes on the terror group. trump has issued a stark warning to hamas. it is over the dozens of hostages hamas has been holding in gaza for 422 days. we know that among them are americans. trump posted quote if the hostages are not released prior to january 20th, 2025, the date that i proudly assume office as president of the united states, there will be all hell to pay in the middle east. israel confirmed monday that one of those american hostages was killed by hamas in its october 7th, 2023, attacks. the terrorists then took his body to gaza.

his parents for more than a year had no idea if omar was dead or alive. they were with me in "focus" on the one-year anniversary of the hamas massacre. >> i think the reality is that a month ago, when the six young hostages were brutally executed, we were all shocked to see that an american was executed just like anyone else. we were expecting outrage and understanding that this is urgent. we're not seeing anything happen since. there has been a stall in the negotiations and it doesn't seem like the urgency is there. >> just a year ago 45 americans were murdered and we're asking where is the outrage? where is it? >> harris: where is the outrage still? alex hogan is in tel aviv,

israel now. >> that statement that you read made by president-elect donald trump making a lot of waves here in the middle east especially among the family members of those hostages as well tonight as the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> i want to thank president trump for his strong statement yesterday about the need for hamas to release the hostages. the responsibility of hamas and this adds another force to our continuing effort to release all the hostages. thank you, president trump. >> the idf released this footage of its forces operating in the central part of the strip. yesterday hamas fired a rocket toward israel from the southern city. israeli air strikes have killed more than 20 people in the northern part of the strip according to health officials on the drug. the delegate cease-fire in lebanon both sides are accusing

the other of violating the terms. hezbollah said it attacked israeli military targets yesterday while in response to that israel says it struck 20 hezbollah targets in lebanon. israel's defense minister visited troops along the country's northern border today and promised that hezbollah violations will be met with a maximum response and 0 tolerance. he also went on to say that if this cease-fire does fall through, that the israeli strikes will widen across lebanon. harris. >> harris: well, as we have seen time and time again under the biden-harris administration all eyes on the middle east. alex, thank you. "wall street journal" editorial board argues one of president biden's failures is his reluctance to speak about the hostage. on monday donald trump signaled he will pursue a different strategy. at least he is demanding that

hamas release the hostages it kidnapped rather than leaning on israel who agreed to cease-fire terms hamas has refused. steve hilton, as you look at this you can't help but ask if it weren't the current administration, would it be 422 days that it would take the family to find out their child had been killed on day one of the massacre? >> exactly. almost from day one of this administration, the world has seen that it is weak. it just doesn't stand up for america, for americans, or for the interests of america around the world and for peace generally. so they can see that weakness and feel it. they respond to it. we look at the contrast. this whole episode just reminds us right now the first point that's very clear is that in the white house today, we have a president in name only. what is biden doing about the hostages? what is he saying? nothing. >> harris: he is protecting his

son, hunter biden. >> right. and it seems as if even before the inauguration, the actual president is trying to do something in mar-a-lago. the broader point to this is these words, the "wall street journal" described as bombastic you can use that and they supported what he said. you see other commentators freaking out trump will bomb the middle east. no, this is exactly what trump promised and what the world could expect. peace through strength. this is the strength part. asserting america's right to protect its own people. and in the past when trump has done this look at the famous phrase from his first administration everyone freaked out over. fire and fury towards north korea. what happened after that? you have historic peace talks with north korea. my prediction is exactly the same way. this kind of strength from president trump will lead to peace and the return of the hostage. >> harris: can you imagine if you are leading, far down the

chain. hamas and hezbollah leaders were killed by israel. can you imagine what they are thinking now that trump gave you a deadline? >> they know because they've seen it before. this is not theoretical. they see exactly what happens when you cross a line that president trump puts there, unlike another democrat president, obama, and his red line in syria completely ignored and you saw chaos, death and destruction in its wake. when trump put this red line down in respect to iran and you saw soleimani taken out and again there were predictions of world war iii. what happened? iran got back in its box. all the terror was diminished. not causing mayhem around the region. it is incredibly clear this peace through strength strategy not only will work in the future, you can see the history. it worked when president trump implemented it before. >> harris: it worked. the house subcommittee on the

coronavirus pandemic just released the final report after fwo years of investigating. among the 520 pages some key findings here. the virus likely leaked from a laboratory in wuhan, china. wow, it took them all that time and money to get there. by the way, if you said that on formerly known as twitter you were stickered. oh my goodness. it's in the report now. the six feet social distancing guidelines were not based on science. we knew that, too. and something we have known again for a long time, lockdowns did more harm than good especially when it came to school closures. those two not justified by science. the subcommittee's chairman said this. >> obviously there was so much attempt to cover everything up and not let us in, destroying evidence, etc. also a cover-up within our government trying to steer people towards one concept of what maybe happened as opposed to being open and listening and

at other times being wrong. this isn't something we can tolerate. >> harris: so republican congressman wenstrup and others finally get it in writing. they put it down what we knew and thought all the things and say these are the facts. now what? >> exactly. so look, harris, it is great to have the information. good to have the vindication to those of us like you and i who said this all along as you just pointed out. the real question is when will we get actual accountability? let's start with the lab leak, which is clearly the origin of covid. people say well, you know, loose terms fauci funded the lab and funded the research. no, much more specific than that. we need to be really clear about it. fauci commissioned this research. he was the leading global champion of gain-of-function research. he wrote back in 2011 that experimenting in the lab in this way was a risk worth taking.

>> harris: what happened to him? >> here is the point. people say public servants can't get held accountable for the consequences of their actions because they are acting in good faith. you can't hold treasury officials to blame for inflation. fauci broke the rules that were put in place by the obama administration in 2014 and by the trump administration, a new set of rules in 2017. he broke the rules to push this research through. so there he must be held accountable. he should be prosecuted for what he did and the death and destruction he deliberately caused in terms of breaking the rules. >> harris: he doesn't have to worry about that next for the next 48 days for biden in the white house or merrick garland at d.o.j. there is that, i guess. always good to have you in "focus." thank you. from defund to refund. the 2024 election shows voters rejected progressive criminal justice policies even in

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>> harris: breaking news now. word that things are already starting to move positively for the presidential pardoned hunter biden. the gun case is over in the eyes of the court. the judge has terminated any further proceedings against hunter, a move that we were expecting. she did, however, not fully

dismiss the case outright as hunter's legal team wanted. the case will not be erased from the historical record. but as we know, president biden's pardon ab solves hunter. we'll wait on the los angeles judge presiding over hunter's 1.4 million owed on taxes, that case. we'll let you know how that comes in an end. that pardon is a gift that keeps on giving. a range of reactions each president biden did pass along the wide-reaching pardon to his son. many are reeling after they praised biden's promise not to use his power to benefit his family. they believed him. again, i shake my head. why would you believe him? anyway, his 180 has left msnbc analysts, one of them speechless. look at this. >> i still -- i just heard it. i have to process it. i don't have a take, i'm sorry.

>> he was dishonest with the american public whether he would give a pardon. he said pretty loudly right before the election when he was interviewed, when he was still in the race a couple months out he would not give a pardon. he said that repeatedly. karine jean-pierre said it repeatedly to the american public. what he said publicly they were completely -- they were not straight with the american public and people will remember that. >> harris: i don't think biden cares what those people are saying. president biden with one last defender for today. whoopi goldberg. >> i take it he was lying about it. i wanted to ask him when he came on the view. he said so many times he wasn't going to pardon him. that to me is lying to the public. i understand why he would do it. i want to understand why lie about it for so long? >> i would stop calling it a lie. this is very different than any other situation.

>> harris: biden said that russian disinformation was real, laptop. all of it was lies. how could you not know he would get to this point? argues the legacy media enabled biden's hunter pardon. their job is to lie for the biden administration and stay silent with joe biden -- flank -- joe biden is as free as hunter to deliver his final insult to the american people. end of quote. clay travis, your top line thoughts. >> joe biden is a complete and total liar and everybody who has a functional brain knew he was lying, harris, when he said he wasn't going to pardon hunter. we know they were having conversations in june when this conviction happened. and they knew it would look bad because joe biden at that time was still in the office and he thought there were two ways he was going to beat trump. one was with abortion, and we know kamala harris spent a

billion dollars on abortion ads and it didn't work and the other was arguing trump was an assault on democracy and a felon president. and so if he had pardoned his son, you are taking one of the two arguments that he thought was the most company hereent and concise for his campaign off the table. they made a decision to lie to the american public because it benefited them politically based on the lies they were spreading about donald trump. harris, my takeaway as trump is going to take office here in a little bit less than what, 6 1/2, seven weeks is i want him to pardon immediately on day one. i can't get here fast enough. i want him to immediately pardon on day one every single january 6th political prisoner. even those that engaged in acts of violence. people say what are you talking about? you can look at the way that

they were treated. if you commit ooh violent crime in d.c. you hardly get prosecuted at all. the january 6th are punished more than an average person would be. i want a blanket and complete pardon for all those people. joe biden will demonstrate he will do whatever it takes he will do whatever it takes to protect people that are close to him. >> harris: president biden is president for 48 more days. would he even pardon trump? there are so many things that could be coming down the pike here. you mentioned one of them. i do want to talk with you just real quickly if i can ask my team to go back to that. i want to try to get to it today. the 2024 election may signal the end of the defund the police era. the movement successfully pushed progressive criminal justice policy and voters are abandoning those reforms in purple states.

california voters kicked out progressive district attorneys and voted to reverse soft on crime policies. what is happening here? >> look, i think the problem that democrats have is their worldview fails even and especially when they have complete control of city and state governments. look, you know los angeles, san francisco, portland, seattle. these are some of the most beautiful places geographically in our country. they are filled with a lot of amazing people. unfortunately they keep electing left wing leaders and left wing leadership has devolved all of those cities into a worse place than it would be if they had republicans and democrats both attempting to run those cities. i think -- and states. what you are seeing is democrats are being rejected by democrat voters because their policies failed. >> harris: we'll cover it all. thank you for your time, clay. always good to see you, "outnumbered" after the break. for a ly home loan.

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