>> kayleigh: we're watching several developing stories this hour. we now have shocking new photos of the united healthcare ceo's suspected killer unmasked and smiling. you can see them there in the top right corner of the screen. a man hunt is underway for the assassin. we have a live report ahead. we're also awaiting a verdict in the daniel penny man slaughter trial. the jury is deliberating a third day. penny faces up to 15 years in convicted. we'll have the verdict when we get one. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy arrived on capitol hill to meet gop leaders. i'm kayleigh mcenany and this is julie banderas, anchor. and jason chaffetz, former utah

congressman and emily compagno. we begin here with a new report that the biden white house is considering -- listen to this -- preemptive pardons before president-elect trump takes offer. white house officials are weighing handing out blanket pardons to those in trump's cross hairs, in their words. among those that could receive them are liz cheney, senator elected a dam schiff and dr. anthony fauci. there's no evidence any of these individuals have requested a pardon or if they know these discussions have been going on. politco reports the president himself has not been brought in to the discussion yet. it's his aides having these talks. the white house reached out to them. they have not responded on those requests just yet. emily, you can always glean what is happening by the white house

response within a story. i'll pull up the one sentence here in politco. a white house person declined to comment on but did not deny the discussions. that leads me to believe these are correct, these discussions are ongoing. biden is not aware of them. my question is this. we have a justice system, we have a justice department that brings charges and then you go to a judge and file a motion to dismiss and a jury. why are they not comfortable with those fail stops? they were comfortable with it for president trump and it was weaponized against him. >> a great question. these reports -- little surprises me nowadays. i was surprised by those reports. it's important to underscore the fact that per the reports the president had nothing to do with it. it's just stuff. it remind me and is emblematic of exactly the pig pen tornado surrounding what has been the biden administration this entire time, which is the complete politicization of everything.

it's the creation of a beast that is president-elect trump. it is -- the fact that this is taking up oxygen in the white house, this is where our tax dallas is going right now. to pick this narrative that somehow president-elect trump would seek to pursue criminal charges against those individuals -- by the way, where is the accountability? for example if dr. fauci, there's an accountability that exists already. it's unrelated from the criminal system. i find this so exhausting. january 20th cannot come fast enough. this underscores how this administration is spending the last week of the commander-in-chief and his staff. >> kayleigh: jason, i want to talk about double standards. i laughed out loud when i heard this. what has some biden aides, particularly concerned is that even the threat of retaliation could prove costly to individuals because they would be forced to hire high-priced

lawyers to defend themselves in any investigation especially for officials without significant means. the spector of six figure legal bills is unenoughing. they did it to trump. michael flynn had to sell his house. >> the lawfare was alive and well. these people still suffer from trump dearrangement syndrome. they're hyperventilating the idea that donald trump is very forward looking. he's said out loud, the best thing you can do is make america great again. that's what he wants to do. this is a side show. it's speculative. the one thing i do think will happen is that i think the -- there's more bidens that will get some of these pardons. james biden and some of the family members are in legal jeopardy. that has been pointed out in congress. that cops from james comb -- comer has been laying this out.

the pardons for january 19 or january 20th will include more bidens. >> kayleigh: we know that karine jean-pierre said so. and listen to this from adam schiff. he told politco, i would urge the president not to do that. i think it seems defensive and unnecessary. >> yeah, a lot of these people might reject these pardons. it's strange. suggests impropriety. i don't understand why the president is doing this. in his last days in office, doesn't he want to go out with a bank and leave a positive legacy? instead he's focusing on first pardoning his son. he's pardon happy at this point. he's getting nothing down until january 20th, which is odd, we don't have a president until them. this is the focus. none of these people have been accused of crimes. these are not criminals. so why are you pardoning somebody that is not a criminal? it's also interesting when he

pardoned his son -- because when you pardon somebody, it's after the sentencing, after they have served time behind bars. there was never a sentencing. he even came out a year ago saying, as early as june, saying that he would never pardon his son and he would believe in the judicial process and in the jurors, that he would trust in them. you pointed that out, he doesn't. >> kayleigh: and biden is not aware of these discussions. last i checked, he was asleep at a table in angola. >> wouldn't you think the president would be involved by now? it's strange that they make these decisions on their own. >> kayleigh: and leaks it to politco. >> very odd. >> kayleigh: very interesting. also interesting, "new york times" editorial board, journalists, people that are supposed to be nonpartisan. here's michelle goldberg. blanket pardons for all. >> a way to do this to be clear

cut for the american people. it's not ideal to have an incoming head of the fbi, cash patel who has published enemy lists. we know who he's threatened to go after without cause. just pardon everyone on it. pardon everyone on it. >> kayleigh: that sounds like advocacy, cheryl. >> it does. emily makes the correct point. biden is in africa. this reminds me of what we're seeing from the democratic governors, whether it's gavin abdulmutallab some, phil murphy in new jersey. nobody is trying to attack new jersey. this rhetoric and this hyperbole that we're getting from these democratic leaders reminds me of what this report is coming out of the white house officials, talking about potential pardons to blanket pardons. i think the james biden, the

burisma connection, three years of investigations in comer's committee has discovered. a lot of documents there and llcs there. back to the trump dearrangement syndrome. they don't know what's coming and trying to grasp on straws because of the results of november 5. they're scared. >> kayleigh: we know more pardons are coming. maybe next time they'll do it the sunday before a monday news cycle. free advice to the biden administration. a shocking new clue in the killing of united healthcare's ceo that could blow the case. new photos of the suspect and reports of chilling messages written on bullets found at the scene. veteran homeowners, car payments are getting out of control. get a newday 100 va cash out loan at lower mortgage rates to pay off those high rate car loans.

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>> emily: we're getting new know toes of the suspected gunman behind the murder of brian thompson. you can see the suspect on the screen now without a market and smiling. to the right, a little more of his facial features from the lower half. at this hour, the man hunt is still underway. investigators are still trying to piece together a possible motive. now a new report revealing that chilling messages were discovered on the the bullet casings found at the scene. alexis mcadams has been following this since minute one. what have we been learning? >> we know from being around here near fox news head quarters, lots of cameras in midtown manhattan. there's cameras nearby in the upper west side where i'm told by a police source that those new videos and photos were taken.

i want to pull them up. you can see this guy's face now. the "new york post" is reporting that those photos were taken at a nearby hostile where they believe this gunman was staying. as you mentioned, he's got the green jacket on and black mask pulled down. that matches what he wore the morning of the shooting yesterday when he killed this father of two and husband. that was exactly the jacket. you can see him there, too, where the hood is pulled down a little bit. he has a backpack on. out here live, there's new pieces of evidence that just keep rolling in. for everyone watching, weren't sure that they would track the killer down, they're getting close to it because they have his face and have some dna evidence they're working on to process we're told by two police sources. one of the things, emily, that is new is there were some etched in markings and messages on the bullets that were found here at the hilton behind me. pull them up there. that's deny, depose and defend. those were the words that they're saying from the police department that they found on the shell casings left behind.

the words are similar to a title of a book that condemns the insurance business. the book is called "delay, deny and defend". you get the gist there. it was written in 2010 and rips the insurance industry for their lack of coverage for many americans. the shooting was caught on camera. that was the first initial evidence that they had of the case. you can see the united healthcare ceo brian thompson walking there and then he's shot. we freeze it. he was hit in the leg. he turned around and looked at the gunman. the guy shot him again. this time in the chest. we're told he was waiting there for brian thompson. i want to pull up new other photos that we've been getting in to the newsroom, this is the gunman there for anybody watching at home. he was at a starbucks before he went to the shooting scene. we're told he bought a drink, threw something out in the trash and that's what they're using to track them down. brian thompson worked for united

healthcare for about 20 years. he was a dade of two young boys that were in high school in minneapolis. he was also a husband. thompson was only supposed to be here in new york for a couple days. he was supposed to speak at this investor's day conference at the hilton hotel in midtown. his visit ended here with his death. back out here live, you have to think, too, for a second before the holidays in new york city and all across the country and this mom and these two sons find out in minneapolis, their dad is no a business trip. it's a sad situation as we track this killer down. he did have threats against him outlets were told by his wife. were they about his job or united healthcare? we're not sure yet, emily. >> emily: devastating for the family and frightening for those of us in new york city. we know you're on it with your tight sources and beyond. kayleigh, we know now and so

much we don't know now as well. what are your thoughts? >> kayleigh: "the new york times" obtained surveillance video that shows this individual in the area for ten minutes before. picks up the starbucks as alexis said -- who buys a drink and says let's off or kill someone? this is a deranged person. he kills brian thompson at 6:46 a.m. my question is how did he know brian thompson would be walking down the street? how did he know that he was staying at a hotel across the street and be walking in to the hilton? how did he know? >> jason: it's -- >> kayleigh: how do you know he's not staying at the hilton for the investor day? >> cheryl: he was right by the hotel. that individual had -- the surveillance video had been waiting outside for some time in the cold at least. so waiting, they knew -- he knew who the target was. let's be clear. >> kayleigh: how did he know where he was staying, at the l

the investors conference? >> emily: that's before four million people came for the tree lighting. there's a lot of theories floating around. what say you? >> julie: we won't speculate. yes, of course working at the largest insurance company in america, it was a personal ven vendetta. nobody assassinates somebody on the street unless you're out to get the person. whether they knew each other, that is questionable. i will say this. the nypd will find this guy. that theory has floated around, that he could have potentially committed suicide right now. he's not an egoistic killer like where they want to confront a cop and go out in a blaze. that's not this guy. is he a trained assassin? he was pretty good on the gun. he was able to fix it in seconds after it jammed. all of his foot steps leave a trail that he's not a professional assassin. a lot to be gleaned from this.

>> jason: i think they keep putting his picture up there, they'll find him. too many people that will recognize him. the nypd is the best. they have the best on the case. give them a few more hours or days, they'll find him, caption hymn. >> emily: and the doj landscape. >> cheryl: like many executives, he traveled with security. he didn't have it yesterday morning. he was set to take the stage after 8:00. the breakfast was happening at the hilton. that's one thing. the other side of this though is that back in april at their company headquarters, there was a huge protest. it was a very organized protest. it was large. it was basically they were saying it was about claims denial. i want to point that out in this. as far as the doj side, brian thompson and his -- several of his colleagues made some stock sales in february. two weeks, this is according to crane's new york business, two weeks before the antitrust doj

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>> kayleigh: elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are meeting with lawmakers about their plans for the department of government efficiency. doge is getting bipartisan support. >> there's not a single american that thinks that government is perfect. there's not anything that can't be changed. so i'm not afraid of having to conversation. >> i don't know why it's

controversial to eliminate waste. we need to save whoever money we can. >> kayleigh: joni ernst joined america's newsroom and touted excitement about changing the federal government. >> i have studied government waste for a decade now and proposed legislative solutions. that's why i'm excited and elon and vivek holding on to this. we're going to push to save our american taxpayers from all of this government waste, fraud and abuse. >> kayleigh: doge has three missions, deregulate, cut costs and remove the permanent civil service class, especially those on an agenda. i want to start with the third item. i did some research last night. this was intriguing. back in trump's first term, days after he took office, in fact, 11 days after, "washington post" posted this. resistance from within.

federal workers pushed back against trump less than two weeks in to trump's administration, federal workers are in regular consultation with recently departed obama era political appointees about what they can do to push back against the new president's initiative. 180 employees met in a church with experts about what they could do. i'm not going to say to undermine trump, but to undermine the vote of the american people. >> jason: they forget who they work for. they have to start going to work. the statistics on the number of people that work at home never come in to the office absolutely stunning. i think their raid on that, these government buildings are empty. so they have to do that. i want to mention, i'm glad to see at least two democrats step up and say hey, they need to be a part of this solution. that's the way we're set up here. getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse has to be in

legislation and bipartisan to make it work. >> kayleigh: to that end, cheryl, the number is 6%. 6% of the federal work force actually comes in to work. >> cheryl: this is a big thing for elon musk. when he took over, bought twitter, which is now x, he let go of almost 70% of the work force. that platform still runs just fine. a lot of those were folks that were at home. he's not a fan of the at-homework force. the other thing to pick up on, something the journal pointed out today, look at medicare and med medicare. it's the fraud in these large entitlement programs that has been going on for years and no effective enforcement of that. the other thing have the debt. we're over $36 trillion now in debt. that has to end. it's not that they want to do this, vivek and elon musk have to do this, kayleigh. we have to pull back on

government spending. it's out of control. thanks, john fedder man for agreeing. >> kayleigh: dana bash had these words. let's be pull her in. >> unelected billionaires trying to cut the jobs of bureaucrats. lovely. >> kayleigh: i love how laughable that is. how can they possibly do the trick? i remind you, elon musk sends things to space with spacex. >> julie: if you take actual people on the street that are very good at business and you put them in the white house, i don't see why that's a bad thing. this white house and this administration and the government needs to be run like a business, which is why president-elect trump, former president trump, that's his whole process of a business mile an hour. he's going to actually make money for the country. joni ernst said they will attempt to try to cut a trillion dollars. that's a great start. what they need to start delivering is the message to

democrats that want to overspend like in california. they want to spend $25 million to protect illegal immigrants to protect them from mass deportations once trump takes office. that's what gavin newsome is focusing on and taxes are paying for that. republicans want to make cuts and i hope they do. >> kayleigh: one of the things that i was thrilled to see, emily, they believe they can do this without passing new laws. this would help them a lot. they believe the courts have changed. they have shifted in their makeup the supreme court. they have undone chevron deference, which makes their job easier in deregulating and cutting costs. >> emily: and the eeoc shifts in culture depending what president is in office. you can save a trillion dollars alone clawing back the overpayments. we can't claw them back. let's stop the hose. for example, as a federal attorney, tasked with cleaning house, which i did effectively, among them for example is trying

to terminate useless employees who have been waiting your tax dollars. one of them had a single digit productivity rate but had been working for decades unfetterred. i calculated his salary. had to swim through peanut butter to begin the action to terminate him. the point is it didn't work. of course, mind you, the worst employee ever on the basis of merit, productivity that congressman dates. he got to retire though. that was the more to the story. joni ernst says she's been studying it for so many years. i've been living it with the squandering of our tax dollars. majority of the work force -- >> jason: you're right, swimming through peanut butter is the best visual. that was good. you need to change the process, too. you need to move to a zero-based budget. more than 75% of the federal budget is automatic spending.

it spends no matter what congress does. if you don't change that, you don't change the process. you don't need an appropriations committee because that should be done through the authorizing committees. stop spending money on programs that have never been authorized. those types of things i think will be the message from -- those will be so obvious to elon and vivek. they have to change that process. you know what? the american people are starving for this. donald trump, he knows this and he has a mandate to get it done. >> julie: my question is about the recommendations. vivek and elon can make recommendations. this has to be passed. >> kayleigh: they outline the three prongs that i mentioned how they believe they can do it through regulation. a lot of the landscape has changed the last four years. an epa decision at the supreme court. they think they can unravel it that way. that will be challenged in court. to your point, passing

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>> kayleigh: the supreme court is weighing a landmark case on gender for minors. every justice expressed skepticism to the biden administration. meanwhile, justin sotomayor expressed the sex change operations to aspirin. >> every medical treatment has a

risk, even taking aspirin. there is always going to be a percentage of the population under any medical treatment that is going to suffer a harm. >> kayleigh: justice brown jackson compared the case to bans on interracial marriages. >> well, i think i thought what was most interesting about the potential comparison to loving that in that case, everyone seemed to concede up front that a racial classification was being drawn by the statute. when you look at the structure of that law, it looks in terms of -- you can't do something that is inconsistent with your own characteristics. it's sort of the same thing. its interesting to me that we have this different argument and i wonder whether virginia could have gotten away with what they did here by just making a classification argument the way that tennessee is in this case. >> kayleigh: so comparing this

to interracial marriage -- have respect for the supreme court justices. but reminded me of joy behar on "the view." she made this argument. >> my worry is this is just the beginning. next they go after gay marriage and maybe the brown versus board of education. they eroded our voting rights a little bit. so i see some -- i see fascism down the line here. >> kayleigh: you expect hyperbole from joyless reid but not justice jackson. >> emily: this is revealed to be merely heaper bowl and unfounded in the election that the voters spoke. i will say the racialization of this argument is so far off. it's like everything. it's not about race. it's not about politics.

what is it about is the butchering of people's children. we talk about the amicus brief that the doj that president biden stood behind and said no, no, we want you guys to butcher your children and i note that in its description in the persuasion, they didn't talk at all about biological implications. all they did is reference anxiety, depression and suicidality. that is what shows you where the administration, where the department of justice, where is head is at of these people furthering this, which is not recognizing the impact. they can compare it to aspirin. it's notice like the risks associated with aspirin. it's mutilating one's body. to say it's not is laughable. >> kayleigh: people may not remember this, it was an nih study conducted.

lawmakers demanded answers on it. this is what they wrote. >> kayleigh: this was a study on hormone treatment that resulted in suicide. where are the questions about those repercussions? >> julie: we're talking about minors here. they shouldn't have the choice when it comes to medical. they're minors. they have no idea what they're doing. if a child feels they're transgender and the parent supports that, that's fine. to be making irreversible surgical decisions on a minor when there are in fact cases of minors that did have surgery and they regret it. now they're trying to trans back to their birth gender. this is beginning this woke

mindset. for joy behar to compare this to gay marriage is absolutely ridiculous. first of all, i don't remember the last time a minor got married to anyone. >> kayleigh: she's talking about the dobbs decision. >> julie: they're making a simulates to this because it's the only way to fire up the left. that's why this country has turned so woke. the left are listening to the joy behars of the world and buying what they're feeding them. it's disturbing. bottom line, we're talking about children here. since when does a child make a decision about getting vaccinated, about going to the doctor, getting a physical? yeah, this is not the child's choice. >> kayleigh: absolutely. joy behar was talking about dobbs. it was the same analogy that somehow all of these rights are at risk because we make a common sense decision to not lalou 12-year-olds to have have second -- vasectomies. this was a headline.

woke doctor trans to show a study that puberty blockers did not help. we shouldn't use blockers said the study. so we bury the science. europe publishes it. >> julie: woke doctor is the best way to describe what happened with that study. what happened to science and fact? the dangers of what can be -- especially with messing with hormones in the bodies of minors. that has been discussed and proven over and over. a small sliver of whether it's in tennessee or the nation, we saw that dei and these woke policies became that sleeper issue in the election on november 5. joy made a great point. 16 to drive, 21 to drink and 18 to vote. why can't we put limits and instead in invest in mental health counselling and support

services for these kids until they get to an adult age? i don't see what the rush is to give them these drugs. >> kayleigh: people don't realize if you remove your ovaries, that puts you in menopause. this is very much not common sense. >> jason: it's sad. there's young people struggling on lots of fronts. they need deep psychological help to do these life altering things to our children? it disgusts me. it's fundamentally wrong. if you want to do something like this as an adult, you get to make those decisions. as children, it's a different attitude. i think the justices, the few that made these absurd comparisons, were highly politicized. i expect more from a supreme court justice than to compare it to aspirin or some race or anything like that. that was childish, immature and

highly political. >> kayleigh: brown-jackson couldn't define a woman. that's that as well. an a traffic hack is sparring a global debate online. we'll weigh-in next.

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>> emily: a viral travel hack is sparking an unexpected debate about travel ethics on social media. jordan says he found a way to avoid the middle seat on flights without paying an upcharge. some users online say they have a moral issue with this method. judge for yourself. >> did you know that with budget airlines if you click random seat allocation, they will put you in the middle seat in the hopes you pay money to get out of it. the flight i'm about to check in to still has a lot of middle seat as available. >> here's how i avoid them. i saw there were ten middle seats available. i go to the website and pretend to buy ten more middle seats. they ask for every passenger's name. so slam letters in there and continue on. next up, go to seat selection and select all the middle seats that you do not want to be

sitting in. then click continue. so when you do this, the system will hold those seats for 10-15 minutes. that's when you book yours. when you go to check in with your authentic ticket, there's no more middle seats. so dodge the rest of the scams on the websites and just like that. took me two minutes and now i have a window seat. >> emily: brilliant. i love this guy. >> jason: a smart play. i fly delta. i don't teal with these issues. i fly delta to be head and shoulders above everybody else. a lot of people, they just have a very difficult time with the airlines. they should have -- sean duffy, the new incoming transportation secretary has his hands full. >> emily: yesterday we were just talking about this. let's listen to what senator josh hawley had to say about the uphill battle for sean duffy. watch. >> you guys do appreciate flying

on your airlines is a disaster. i'm amazed by the general attitude by you. flying on your airlines is horrible. it's a terrible experience. i say this as a father of three young children. i can't tell you. nobody enjoys it. it's a disaster. your attitude is nothing that we can do about it. we are going to do something about it. >> emily: i have never felt more seen than by the senator. you're all of us. >> cheryl: he also said in the hearing, that the executives got hit on for two hours. it was bipartisan. you know, look. those five airlines between 2018 and 2023, they made $12.4 billion just on seat fees. forget the wi fi charges and the beridges and the change fees. why you paying $200 to change

something on the computer? they got rid of it during the epidemic. brought it back. a lot of anger yesterday. they do treat consumers like piggy banks. i'm sorry. >> emily: they treat them like pigs in general or cattle. how often is this travel hack? >> julie: i think it's great. i'm sure there's people that will say that is not cool. you're like hacking the system. good for you. the airline industry completely takes advantage of passengers. now that they -- do you remember back in the day when you got on a flight and the food was included? the drinks were included? not the alcoholic beverages, but everything else was included. now they take advantage of us. who wants to sit in a center seat? not myself. i don't want to be pigeoned between two people. they always get the arm rests, which is so annoying. you're always cramped. we shouldn't be paying for seat assignment. you pay for first class and economy. that's the difference. >> emily: when people say tax loop holes, the point is it's not a loop hole.

it's the tax code. it's not a hack. it is. the airline industry is intent on destroying all of us. so yeah, if somebody it be in t middle, no thanks. >> kayleigh: some dudes laugh. that guy is incredible. he's working within the system. he's not doing anything wrong. there's nothing wrong with what he did. i know exactly what he means. i'll book three seats for my kids and that's the wrong row. they can't sit in an exit. so i have to rebook and those seats are gone. he's so right about this. how much is nine minutes of your time worth? he has to input names for every single middle seat just to do the hold. >> julie: he doesn't have kids. >> kayleigh: no. >> jason: one thing that they have to deal with, dogs and animals on flights. i sat next to this person that had a mastiff. >> kayleigh: was it my husband? >> jason: dogs. >> julie: that passenger paid

minimum $300 for the dog in addition to what they paid for their seat. >> jason: i paid full price. i don't need to listen to it fart in front of my face. >> kayleigh: that wasn't my dog. >> emily: and how about a letter tab, letter tab. anyway, sean duffy, you heard it here first. year going to take us to new levels. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. ♪

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