minnesota. what's wrong with having a bubble bath and a few beers? i think that's wrong for a man to do alone. and that's all i have to say about that papa dog from canyon lake, texas. stephen miller looked awfully guilty when you asked him about bubble baths. i'm not buying it. what do you want me to waterboard him? jeff from logansport, indiana. i think it's the va staff that needs cold showers. yeah, that'll make the staff go down. carlos from whittier, california. forget. drain the swamp. it's time to drain the tub. daniel from apple valley, california. no. biden presidential library. what's he going to do with all those coloring books? oh, poor biden, it's all for us tonight. dvr the show, and always remember i'm watters and this is my world. >> welcome to this special edition of hannity. >> i'm tammy bruce in for sean

tonight with just a month and a half until inauguration day. yippee! president elect trump's second term is taking shape. i love even getting to say that sentence to you guys. and even jeff bezos says he's optimistic about the next four years. take a look at this. >> i'm actually very optimistic this time around that we're going to see i'm very hopeful about this. his he seems to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation. and my point of view, if i can help him do that, i'm going to help him because we do have too much regulation in this country. this country is so set up right to grow well. >> everybody's really getting on board, aren't they? meanwhile, more details are coming to light about trump's mass deportation plan. according to a new report, illegal immigrants will be deported to countries other than their own if their home countries refuse to accept them. good. according to the

report. those countries include, but may not be limited to turks and caicos, panama and grenada. now, as more details about the trump administration's plans come to light, incoming senate majority leader john thune has set a busy schedule with get this no senate recess until march, as he looks to quickly usher in trump's agenda. trump also continues to fill out senior administration roles, announcing that former united states assistant secretary of the treasury for public affairs from his first term. our friend monica crowley will serve as ambassador, assistant secretary of state and chief of protocol of the united states in his upcoming administration. joining us now, because she's really three people, monica crowley has more. monica, first of all, congratulations. it's fabulous. and you must be very excited. >> oh, thank you so much, tamm. very kind of you. and yes, look, it was the honor of a

lifetime to serve in president trump's first administration at treasury. and it's an even greater honor now to represent america in his second. >> you know, what's what's also, i noticed what's going to be fun when we think about being an ambassador, essentially, when it comes to being chief of protocol, you're going to be going to places and kind of presiding over them in a certain sense, like the soccer fifa finals. we've got the olympics, we've got the 250th anniversary. et cetera. are you looking forward to that kind of thing? how does that feel to you when normally if you were to be in the treasury in that empty treasury building, are you looking forward to the kind of the difference of what this means when it comes to reaching out with the people? >> well, the treasury department was certainly not empty when we were there, tammy, because we were saving the u.s. economy not once, but twice in the first trump administration, bringing it back after eight long years of obama, biden, and then of course, after the covid pandemic this time around, you

know, tammy, the moment is so much bigger this time. the cultural moment is even bigger than reagan 1980. and we have tremendous events coming up that are going to be incredibly important to this country. and you mentioned them. we've got the world cup coming up in 2026. we've got the olympic games coming up in 2028. and of course, america's 250th birthday in 2026. all of those events will have big international dimensions to them. so i am so proud and humbled to be part of it. >> well, those are it's excellent opportunities for the trump administration. but and he knows how to do this. it's already happening. and he's just just the president elect with the international scene adapting to daddy being home. but he's going to it's a real opportunity to set the tone for what america is. and once again, it's a renaissance. it is a rebirth of what the founders had in mind and of our

true natures. and i do want to ask you something of which i let in with here regarding john thune saying effectively, there's going to be no recess between now and march, and you'd think that perhaps the president would need to rely on recess appointments if he feels that someone he wants for his cabinet is not going to get the votes that they need. are you concerned about that when it comes to the senate behaving when it comes to the confirmation hearings and getting the president, the team that he wants? >> well, i think president trump won a landslide mandate for a reason. tammy. the american people have been fed up with the uniparty in washington, dc not serving their interests, but serving their own. this is why president trump won even bigger this time than he did last time around. the american people want change. donald trump is that disrupter to bring that change. he is therefore fully entitled to bring the kind of

disruptive team that he wants with him into the white house, into his administration, to effect that change. and so i know that those conversations are happening. but the process should be geared toward giving the chief executive exactly what he wants with the staff and personnel that he wants. >> yes, we see a great deal. and, you know, we saw it happen with matt gaetz in that nomination for attorney general. and my feeling at the time was, if you do it once, it just feeds the beast. is that there's having come from the left. we know that. and what president trump now of course, understands is that they don't really want anything. right. there's nothing to placate them. there's nothing you can do that will stop what their agenda is, or even just those who are more concerned about themselves or the status quo. that is a very big, you know, drive for some people is the status quo and where you fit in the status quo. when there are

disruptors, you it's harder to find your footing or to get your own power. and so i worry that if whether it's pete hegseth, people think what they're not going to do it to tulsi gabbard, they're not going to do it to anybody else who's got to kennedy. that's my concern. there has to be a point where, as you've noted, there's an understanding that let him try this. he won for a reason. >> yeah, exactly. and there are plenty of republicans on capitol hill who understood that point when joe biden won or when barack obama won, or bill clinton that when a president wins an election right in a legitimate way, there are plenty of republicans on capitol hill who said, i may not agree with this particular candidate ideologically, politically, etc, but the president is entitled to have the people he wants in place. so i would hope i don't have any hope on the democrat side, tammy, but i would hope that on the republican side that they would see their way to a same

kind of vision and give this president the kind of personnel mandate that he got electorally. >> yeah, i'm very i'm very excited. ellen and vivek were in the capitol today. they were very well received. but it is what they can accomplish is going to be based on what congress allows to be accomplished, because effectively, doge is just a commission, and this is about holding republicans feet to the fire so that they know business as usual has got to stop. >> yeah, you're always going to have vestiges of the system that are desperate to cling to the status quo, because that's where their power and their money comes from. right. so what you're seeing, timmy, is really the last gasps of the system trying to retain itself a bit. right? yeah. but things have so changed and the culture has so changed. you played that clip from jeff bezos. elon musk did so much blocking for silicon valley, and business leaders like jeff bezos made it

safe for them to come out and support president trump. you're going to see more and more of that. and if you have people on capitol hill and elsewhere who seek to stonewall that, the pressure is then going to be applied on them. well, it has to get with the program. >> yeah. so they're they're going to learn that this wasn't like americans had, you know, a moment. this is a complete change. monica crowley again, congratulations. we'll obviously see a lot more of you coming up. and thanks for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it. all right. now, president elect trump has made it a point of emphasis to cut waste in his upcoming term, appointing elon musk, as i've noted, of course, and vivek ramaswamy to the head of the department of government efficiency, known as doge. earlier today, the two of them met with lawmakers on the hill to discuss trump's doge vision for cutting government waste. joining us now with more reaction to that really remarkable hill visit florida senator rick scott, senator, thank you for joining me

tonight. you know, we we're so familiar with both gentlemen with elon. he had he had little x his son on his shoulders that visit the nature of their mandate is in and of itself kind of shocking in the moment of what americans have wanted. and yet, you know, we're adjusting to it. it's real. how did it feel on on the hill and what's your feeling about the nature of this new kind of energy coming in? >> oh, this is exciting. >> you know, i'm a business guy and business guys know that. >> you have to constantly look at how things what things cost. >> so here's what elon is going to do. vivek is going to do this. donald trump's going to do this. they're going to say, we have got to have dramatic change if we want to get rid of inflation, if we want to pay down our debt, if we want to get full time jobs, what do we have to do? we have to dramatically, not a little bit, not at the edges, dramatically reduce the regulatory state. when i ran for governor back in

2010, in florida, we were losing people and losing jobs. i walked in, i ran on a platform to get our state back to work. we cut 20% of the regulatory environment. we streamline the permitting environment, and jobs flourished the same thing is going to happen here. everything government can do with a business guy coming in there with efficiency plans and all these things. business guys are going to come in and they're going to make it better. so it's an exciting time. i'm very appreciative of what donald trump did to win this race. he won a big race and bring in elon and vivek. it's unbelievable what we're going to get to get to accomplish. i came to washington, d.c. to do exactly what we're doing right now. >> well, that has got to be exciting. but of course, you would personally know that there are. as i just talked with monica, you know, intensely vested interests in things not changing. you know, these are it's about people losing their jobs. and it's going to be good because, yes, more jobs will be created in the private sector for them. but this has become a way of life for generations. and we

know that it's going to be fought. do you imagine when it comes to the mood of the senate in particular, obviously, for you, do you do you see that the general embracement of what this means, we've seen some democrats say that they like what's going on, but saying it and acting on it is a different thing entirely. >> well, yeah, the swamp is going to fight it, right. but here's here's the reality. a lot of this can be done just through the executive branch. i think just just in the biden's term, the regulatory environment has grown exponentially. that all can go away. they can all go away by if trump puts in the right people with the line of vivek, what they're going to do, he puts in the right people to run these agencies. they can get rid of all that regulatory environment that that in streamlining the permit, will actually do more to create jobs, build our economy than anything else we can do now. we have to in congress. we have to get rid of the waste. we've had

a 2% increase in our population in five years, and over 50% increase in spending. that doesn't make any sense. so we're going to have to go through the budget and say what's good and what's bad. >> you know what? i've heard a lot from people, senator rick scott, that has bothered them is what, as an example, biden just did. it seems that he's set up some kind of agreement or contract for people who work at home to be able to do that for at least five more years. is that something that can be reversed by by the new senate or by congress in general? because we were looking at this and they're trying to hamstring all these things that the president's going to want to d. >> we're going to do everything we can to fix that. but just stop and think about this, okay? the american public, you go to work at a grocery store, you don't get to do just say, oh, i don't want to come in for five years. if you're if you have most of the jobs outside of government, you have to be

there. it's so unfair to the american public. it's so unfair. it is. i mean, we pay for this. we pay our taxes. it's unfair to them. so we're going to figure out how to fix this. >> good. you know, it's almost like another if you want to get paid, you got to go to work right. it's such a strange thing to have to say that, but it is like kind of a redistribution of wealth. it's unsustainable. so there's obviously a lot of things that are going to have to get done in these first two years. senator rick scott, thank you very much, sir, for joining me. i appreciate it. all right. now, doubling down on president elect trump's plan to cut government waste. tennessee senator marsha blackburn announced she will introduce legislation that coincides with doj's plan to make the government more efficient. senator blackburn joins us now. senator, right on topic here of the reality that, you know, elon musk had power at twitter. now x, to get rid of almost three quarters of the employees that were there. and it was a little shocking, but you know,

the company is thriving. but he's not personally in charge of getting these things done. you are and congress is. and that's why i love the fact that you've already started up right. the legislation that's going to be needed to allow this, this new efficiency to take hold. tell us what it is you're doing. >> yes, indeed. >> tammy. >> and as rick was saying, a lot of this has to come to congress, and we know that. so the doge acts is a compilation of bills that i've had there. good government bills cutting one, 2 or 5% across the board every year. the penny plan, as it is called, that 1% cut, or 2% or 5%. and tammy, what this does is require these agencies in our discretionary spending to right size themselves every year. also, a bill to freeze federal hiring and federal salaries for a year, that would

allow us to take action on these recommendations from doge to be able to reduce the number of employees in the federal government. it also calls for a study and a return to work policy to look at what has happened with this remote working, you know, only 1%, 1% of the federal employees work five days a week in their office. this is an insult to hard working tennesseans who don't have the choice to say, i'm only going to work one day a week. 12% is the rate of occupancy in our federal buildings right now, so we need to review that, do some consolidation, sell some of this property. we also need to make certain we're using these resources that the taxpayer is paying for. the pentagon has not been able to pass its

audits. and right now they cannot find $824 billion. >> senator, we're at an important inflection point because the american people don't trust the government. and when we say that only 1% are working five days a week, it seems like a scheme. the mafia would set up. it seems like this charade that has been placed in front of the american people for the benefit of everyone except them, that's that's why. and your bills have to get passed first in order for us to be able to act on this. but it seems like it's gotten to an extreme point that, you know, what is your are you confident that this is finally going to get passed? what is your sense of it? >> i am confident this is going to be done because as we have worked on this, tammy and bear in mind, every senator is involved in this and invited to the table to work on this. and

when you look at the portal that vivek and ellen have on x, that's right. you've got thousands of american people that are sending in their recommendations. it's like we've got whistleblowers in every agency saying, look here. >> well, there has to be there has to be repercussions for not getting it done right. i mean, we've got what do we have two years before the midterms? and you're always right. you're always in the lead. so senator blackburn, thank you so much for joining me i appreciate it. great job. all right. now coming up, the assassin in the brazen murder of the ceo of unitedhealthcare leaves a chilling message at the scene. alexis mcadams brings us the latest. plus, the country awaits a verdict in the trial of daniel penny, which should never have happened in the first place. that, and more next on hannity. >> the 2024 fox nation patriot awards are here. it's all about

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yours today at talkline .com. >> welcome back to the special edition of hannity. a manhunt is still underway for the person seen on video shooting and killing the ceo of unitedhealthcare yesterday in new york city. earlier today, authorities released this new photo of the suspected killer. there's a couple of others also that are really kind of without

the hoodie or at least full face. there are also multiple reports today that specific words were written on shell casings recovered at the scene. the shooter may have been trying to send a message. alexis mcadams has been following all the latest developments in this case, and she joins us now from new york. alexis. >> hey, tammy. yeah, this thing has been going on for hours, and we're now learning some new details about the suspect, because yesterday when we checked in on this channel, we were telling everybody he seemed like he could have been some type of paid assassin. he really seemed skilled, knew what he was doing with that gun. now i'm hearing from nypd sources this guy was kind of like an amateur walking around new york city, showing his face to multiple security cameras and even leaving his cell phone behind at the scene. those are all key pieces. now that could help police track him down. also, just a short time ago, i got off the phone with an nypd source who tells me that this gunman came in from atlanta, georgia into new york city ten days ago on a greyhound bus. so

that's still developing. take a look, though, at that photo. okay. this is the key piece of evidence here. if you can't see this guy's face and recognize him, you just might not know him. that's him there on your screen. that's a person of interest smiling. he is the person of interest in the united health care ceo's murder. he was spotted checking into a new york city hospital. sources telling us he used a fake id to check in and paid in cash, but forgot to hide his face. he was spotted at a new york city subway station as well, and then he left a message to the gunman and also or rather to the victim, and also to authorities. he wrote something in permanent marker, i'm told, saying deny, depose and defend on those shell casings. what's that all about? well, it's similar to a title of a book that was written back in 2010 that slams the insurance industry, basically saying the whole thing is a racket and unfair. investigators tell us the person of interest went to a starbucks before the shooting. he bought a bottle of water. he finished it. he threw it in the trash can at the starbucks.

that was a big mistake because police tell me they grabbed that water bottle and some wrappers and they're now running that for dna. and then they're going to check that in a system and build a dna profile. investigators also are looking at the cell phone. he left a burner phone right near the alleyway after he murdered this ceo. >> listen, there's a cell phone recovered in the alleyway. >> and once again, we will process that forensically and see if it comes back to this shooting. >> if that's not enough evidence. the shooting was also caught on camera. the united health care ceo brian thompson, walking there. then he shot right in his left leg. at first he's limping, turns around, looks at the shooter and he shot again. the gunman was waiting for thompson for quite some time. authorities also telling us the gun he used was not commonly found in gun stores in the tristate area. it was an old school type of gun, i'm told. so looking more into that. but back out here live, one thing authorities kept saying is sometimes the suspects who were involved in these crimes are the ones who

watch the news coverage. the closest. so if he is watching somewhere in new york city or somewhere else, you left your cell phone and some dna near the scene. tammy. >> alexis. great job. i mean, the details. we sometimes forget what you can find out when some crimes just never get solved. but already knowing that he was on a bus coming up from the south, and we think that it's his cell phone, we can find out. i love the true crime shows and you see people making mistakes all the time, but clearly he seemed to have a mission that still could have been maybe mistaken identity. but we're going to find out, i think, sooner than later, because there's just also the facial recognition technology. he took some care to not to not have his full face shown, except when he was at the hotel. it's just it's inexplicable. alexis, thank you very much for that. now let's stay with new york city now, even though it's like, not usually a good prospect, we turn to a manhattan courthouse where the jury in marine veteran daniel penny's manslaughter trial continued to

deliberate for a third day. they have asked to hear a lot of the evidence back again as they try to reach a verdict and as the jury works, the father of the man who died in this incident has filed a civil lawsuit against penny, alleging that his conduct led to his son's death. here now with more are harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz and fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. professor dershowitz, thank you very much, gregg. thank you for being here. as we head into this holiday season. what a remarkable story, thoug, professor, with what we've seen, some of the things that are already wrong, like about the bicycle. but what seemed to be a meticulously planned situation, a man who appears to have gotten away to a certain degree. and yet we already have these other details. do you anticipate this, this person really being found is are we going to get an end result because of the details of what the nypd has already discovere?

>> i think if he's in the country, he'll be found. >> if he's managed to escape to mexico, it's going to be much, much harder. look, the big question is the motive. there are two possible motives. everybody knows that the person wanted to kill him, but that they want to kill him, to punish him for something he had done or to silence him to prevent him from testifying against other people. that would tell us a lot if we knew that it looked the other day like it might be to silence him when it was a professional hitman. but now this guy is looking more and more like an amateur, more and more like somebody who came to the city ten days earlier and maybe was just out to get him. and so we're speculating still at this point. but i think at this point it looks like they're going to get him. the facial recognition is so clear. we see everything. we see his eyes, his nose, his mouth. that should be enough to create a real identification. couple that with the possibility of a

cell phone dna. and i think they're going to know who it is. and then probably be able to catch him. >> you know, especially they almost can't help themselves. like the words written on the casings, greg jarrett, that would reflect we believe, back to a book about the health care industry and its practice. many see as denying claims and that's where some people have gone, is the notion that something has happened to this person that tipped them over because of a decision by a health care company. >> right. it could be a policyholder who's angry about denial of coverage, or he has a family member that had a beef with the united health care. >> you know, this always looked to me like a totally amateurish, not a hit job by a professional. you know, pros don't stay at a hospital. they don't hang out at starbucks before a hit in front of cameras. they don't use an

e-bike to make their getaway. when you track his footsteps to the e-bike, it goes for several blocks that are totally haphazard. and by the way, professional hitmen don't leave messages on bullets and cartridges and so forth. so i'm actually amazed that he got away. but i think the facial recognition, i mean, dumb enough to leave a burner phone with your fingerprints on it, they'll also do a paraffin test on it to make sure that, you know, he was handling it and dropped it after the shooting. so there are all kinds of silly mistakes that a pro would never make. and i think because of that, they'll be able to track this guy down in pretty short order, right. >> and professor dershowitz, one thing that's been very disturbing, that's arisen from this is on social media, some some people lauding this action. and one former

journalist putting on her social media the picture of the head of another health care company and saying, are they surprised we want them dead? you know, this, this is a turn that is quite obscene and disturbing. >> look, it's common now. today, college kids are cheering what happened on october 7th to 1200 innocent jews and people who were kidnaped. there's a perversion out there in which people are cheering for the bad guys and attacking the good guys, and, you know, it's happening as well. i think in the pennie case, there are people protesting. they want this guy convicted. this guy is a hero. the villain of this piece is the district attorney of new york, who is sending a message to every train rider, don't intervene. don't become a good

samaritan. hide. go away. but don't help anybody. so i think we're seeing a societal problem playing out in both of these cases. >> yes, gentlemen, i think you're right. and part of it derives from now half of a decade, if not a little bit more, where there's been no repercussions, no law enforcement, no, you know, general advancement of bad behavior and a reinforcement of what's right and what's wrong. and the jew hatred and the reaction to october 7th really highlighted that for us, i think. gentlemen, thank you again for joining me. i appreciate it. now let's turn from new york city to washington, d.c. not much better, where the task force on the first attempted assassination of donald trump held its final hearing today, the one and only witness was the acting director of the secret service, who admitted his agency made some serious mistakes on that day and

claimed that they have taken steps to make improvements in an effort in an apparent effort, i should say, to smooth things over. the task force will soon be releasing a final report, which is expected to be harshly critical. one would think here now with more are florida congressman byron donalds and texas congressman wesley hunt. neither of you gentlemen are on that task force. but i have to say, you know, we know things. people are passionate. i'm passionate. you guys are. and that's, you know, you've got your public service to experience that and to act on that, to see the acting director of the secret service during this hearing, ro be yelling at a member of congress i found to be disgusting. it was it was nauseating. this exhibit of a lack of respect and certainly of decorum. you can be as frustrated as you want, but i found that it also overshadowed

the details of why this hearing was so important. is that what you were left with with this particular event? either one. look, tammy, tammy, i'll go real quick. >> it did distract from the very important work of this committee. what happened in butler, pennsylvania, a few months ago, which almost took the life of donald trump, is really a tragedy on multiple levels, but it also demonstrates the lack of focus, frankly, at secret service. so to have the new director in there yelling at members of congress because he's getting called out or being asked tough questions is simply irresponsible and should never be tolerated. cannot happen. not sure if he should stay on as director of secret service. looks like he has to go as well because at the end of the day, that agency has a responsibility to protect everybody under their purview, including the president of the united states. and so we can't have these gaps. they got to be able to answer these questions and be serious and focused about it, not lashing out when

they're going to get challenged. >> congressman hunt, it seemed to me to be that he took the most umbrage when he was challenged about his appearance at another event on september 11th event, and not necessarily as upset when dealing with, you know, the events in butler in particular, where the president elect was shot in the face and it just it seems just that alone. that's why you have these hearings, right? is that you you see the real character of certain people. >> you are you are correct. >> and he owes us. he owes president trump. he owes america a huge mea culpa. he should i be arguing with us? because the only thing that we want our answers to that failure and the fact of the matter is, is that you can look at the contrast to that, to that butler rally the first one and compare that to the second one, where we actually got it right and did the right thing. the fact that there was a direct line of sight to the president to shoot him from, from a rooftop, and you wouldn't allow snipers on that

rooftop because it was too hot and it was too sloped is utterly absurd. we need answers to that. and also, byron and i have had the opportunity to travel with president trump. i've traveled with president trump before the shooting and after the shooting again. he had decent protection before the shooting. but after the shooting, that's the kind of protection that he should have had the entire time. president trump is a former and future president of this country. he deserves the utmost protection that can be offered to him, and they need to explain this so that this never happens again in this great nation. >> that's a great point. and also, we had the almost assassination attempt at the golf course where you had this man with a rifle for hours in the perimeter, and it's absurd. but let me ask you, congressman donalds, that this it's we're approaching this or at least row seem to be approaching this as a kind of one off thing where there can be fixes and where somebody, you know, may or may not be suspended or that it's a contained event. isn't this a systemic issue that that we just this is a symptom of

that requires a kind of a redo of the entire agency. >> look, i don't look at it the way that director roe is looking at it. there is obvious issues at secret service. you know, obviously after what happened in butler, they raised the amount of support for president trump. but then you had obviously and you mentioned it, the potential shooter down at the golf course in florida. so there are some real issues in there. what's going on in the chain of command? who's holding who accountable. and quite frankly, one of the greatest pieces that's been a disaster of the biden administration is that when failure occurred, nobody was fired. and so what that does is it allows rot to then move throughout the entire the entire apparatus of the federal government because nobody is held accountable. that's right. in the real world, if something goes wrong, people are held accountable. and the reason you do that is to not have the same mistakes or future mistakes come out as a result. and so

they've never they've never held anybody accountable. it needs to happen now. it needs to happen here at secret service. >> it's always couched as mistakes. and we do have to wonder. it's like even a broken clock is right twice a day. they're not even getting it right twice a day. it just seems to be a little a little ridiculous at this point. but it's wonderful that both of you are with trump and you have the perspective of this. and in congress, clearly, we're going to be seeing a lot more of both of you. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me. now, coming up, the biden white house is reportedly discussing preemptive pardons for a variety of officials who they seem to think are at risk of an investigation. why would that be? once trump takes office? of course not. before plus a governor gavin newsom looks to trump proof california. we'll get reaction from tudor dixon, ari fleischer and brianna lyman coming up next.

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now they claim these officials have committed no crimes. so then why would they need to be pardoned? ha! and in california, we do have an answer to that a little bit. in california, governor newsom called a special session to trump proof the state, which includes an additional $25 million in funding for potential legal fights with the incoming administration. radio host charlamagne tha god called out newsom's ridiculous efforts on wednesday. here's what he had to say. >> once again, make it about the policies. because when you say things like trump proof, you're gonna end up looking like a hypocrite when you know you need the president for something and you all in his face smiling and cheesing the same way. you know, president biden was after they called him a threat to democracy. and all of these other things. and then he was like, welcome back. you know, when it came time for the white house, when he came. so it's like, cut it out. >> yeah, yeah, that's a perfect, perfect point. here now with reaction. host of the tudor dixon podcast. thank goodness her name is tudor

dixon because otherwise it would be strange. fox news contributor ari fleischer and the federalist correspondent brianna lyman. tudor, i'll start with you. welcome aboard, everyone. thank you so much on this lovely kind of winter day as we move into christmas time. tudor, you know, you heard those comments. the nature of, you know, start with gavin newsom a little bit here. it's almost like an arsonist getting really upset. if you want to start donating to the fire department and you're going to stop them, you know, has anybody learned any lesson from the election at this point? do you think? >> well, first of all, tammy, let me say you have a beautiful outfit on tonight, but i want to. >> so do you say about gavin got the memo. >> we're twinning. >> yes. that's right. >> but when it comes to gavin newsom. look, i think that he's campaigning already. he did not campaign with kamala harris. he wants to make sure everybody knows he's different from donald trump. but he will work with him. we know he worked with him the last time. we know there's going to be natural

disasters in california because unfortunately, that is the nature of california itself. so he's going to have to work with donald trump this is all posturing and preparing for his campaign because donald trump's only in office for four years. campaigns are getting longer and longer. that's what gavin newsom is doing. he never believed in kamala and he was glad she lost. >> yes, and i have to say that these are the at least he vetoed the bill where they were going to give health care to all the illegal aliens who were in california. but newsom was saying, you know, we don't have the money because they're in debt. they just can't do it. but when we think about the nature of, i don't know if maybe, ari, maybe gavin newsom, would he be on the pardon list? i mean, this is a very interesting thing that's upsetting some democrats is and this is, i think, a legal issue as well, in the sense of the constitution. and there's an argument that pardons can't be for crimes that haven't been committed yet. and yet, if you look, it's only backward

looking versus forward looking. and yet the argument could be that, well, maybe you've committed a crime. we just don't know. is that what the plan is here? because it's also about money, isn't it? about having to defend yourself even if you're innocent? >> well, i think number one, it's nuts. and number two, it's destructive. i mean, it's nuts in the sense that they're saying that people who did not commit crimes need protection because they may have committed a crime. it makes you scratch your head and say, well, what are we missing? where is the crime? maybe we need to go look for one. since the democrats are so upset that they may be found to have committed a crim. so i just think this whole thing is nuts. they think that donald trump is going to come out and get them. it just shows they haven't learned any of the lessons that made them lose this election. they still have trump derangement syndrome as opposed to realizing donald trump actually stands for a lot of common sense. but it's also destructive. it's destructive because if they do it, rest

assured another republican president will do it as well. and then the pardon as established in the constitution is demolished. now it becomes a tool for presidents of both parties to in advance give out, get out of jail free cards to anybody and anybody on their list, even if they didn't commit a crime. yeah, so they shouldn't start the country down that path. we'll all follow and get there. let me just say one thing about gavin newsom. yes, i love the fact that they're going to stay sanctuary state. i hope they trump proof their states because then what you're going to have is 43, 44 states that deport all the people who should not be here legally, and they're all going to settle in california and new york, illinois, massachusetts, and make all the tax paying citizens leave those states, and they'll just be stuck with the illegal aliens who they want to have because their sanctuary states, you know, would be justice. >> it would. but, you know, i'm a native californian. it's a great state, just like new york city is a great city. they deserve to be saved. and you think sometimes these people would pull back, but it doesn't

seem like they have any interest in that at all. brianna. you know, in in this kind of a situation, like with the pardons, names like liz cheney, right, adam schiff and doctor anthony fauci, one of the comments that has been made is that it doesn't matter if they that they haven't committed a crime. it's about keeping them from having to spend money to defend themselves, because that would destroy a person. and we can look at rudy giuliani as an example of someone who's been financially destroyed. peter navarro, close to that aspect as well. trump survived it only because he's got all of his money. but isn't that kind of what they've designed with, let's say, january 6th? and those defendants that regular americans could never withstand it, even if they're innocent. and so now they want to protect their own, even if they're innocent, because they know that's part of the lawfare.

>> yeah. tammy, you know, for all of this talk about the preemptive pardons, it proves that the nobody's above the law shtick was never about justice. it was about justifying democrat led lawfare. because, like you said, democrats spent four years. they threw donald trump's allies in jail. they tried to throw him in jail, and they weaponized the justice system because nobody's above the law. and yet suddenly, adam schiff, liz cheney and anthony fauci may be above the law because democrats fear that donald trump will do to the justice system what they've already done. and i think the key word here is fear, because that is the word that the propaganda press will use if joe biden goes forward with these pardons to justify why democrats are suddenly abandoning this. nobody is above the law principle when most americans understand they never abided by it. but democrats now have to cover up why they're changing course. and there's no better way to do that than fear mongering. poor democrats are scared so they can do whatever they want to save themselves. that is what we should watch going forward, is how they cover this. >> that's that's a great point. and tudor, you know, when we think about the nature of what

they've always cared about, we've seen now i don't know, a decade of defunding. well, certainly five, seven years of defunding the police, restorative justice. we've seen that be an aspect with the judge in the daniel pennie cas, dei dynamics. and we really have made it so that there's really no justice for people that it's all in the wind. >> right? absolutely. well, but if you look even look at this whole pardon system that they're coming up with, i heard just a few months ago they went crazy saying donald trump has immunity. no one is above the law that can't possibly happen. but what they're talking about now is allowing people to commit crimes while they're in the administration, and then pardoning them at the end and saying, hey, look, you can do you all have immunity? we'll make sure anybody can do whatever they want as long as they're in the federal government. that's crazy. that's scary. that's not right. it would happen with everyone, right? >> that's not going to help the legitimacy of this government at all. tudor. ari. brianna, thank you very much for joining me tonight. great stuff. now, more hannity after the break.

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