women. >> mike: amy olson, thank you for time and have a great weekend. congratulations. >> thank you. >> mike: shannon, a pleasure working with you. big show coming up on sunday. >> shannon: we're here at the reagan library. we'll have former trump national security advisor mcmaster with us and we also have a panel of congressmen also veterans. we're taking you behind the scenes with cool stuff at the library, things i never knew about or heard about. so it should be an interesting week here and have it all for you on "fox news sunday." >> mike: look forward to your show and safe travels home. thanks, shannon. "the faulkner focus" is next. >> this fox news alert. it is a crime that has captured the nation's attention. the execution-style killing of

united healthcare ceo brian thompson and the massive manhunt for the shooter. we're now on day three of that search as police gather more clues and evidence. this is "the faulkner focus." i'm dagen mcdowell in for harris. law enforcement sources confirming to fox the suspect took a greyhound bus that departed from atlanta to new york city the day before thanksgiving. they are searching a hostel where he stayed and paid in cash. officers continue to comb central park for a backpack the suspect wore in the the shooting. he fled on an electric bike through the park and not wearing it when he emerged. retired inspector paul mauro says all the pieces seem to be coming together. >> they took that video and

started leapfrogging looking for similar videos. that is how they put him at the youth hostel on the upper west side. they got a facial. port authority here in new york has a lot of public cameras that are city owned and i would bet that they probably hit a facial recognition hit there. where the buses come up from all over the south and the country into new york. it feels like a matter of time. i hear that they are making progress. >> dagen: alexis mcadams is in new york city with the very latest. alexis. >> some of these big murder cases especially one in new york city they try to keep things on the down low. they don't want the suspect to know what they know about him. he made some big mistakes. his face is out there. police had to put that out there. he was spotted at a hostel and starbucks and i'm being told they are working to put a suspect profile together using

dna like possible saliva left behind on a water bottle he threw out here in new york city. take a look on your screen. the photos that we just got into the newsroom yesterday. couldn't be a clearer shot of his face. that's the person of interest in the murder of united healthcare ceo spotted checking into a new york city hostel. he was staying at the hostel or at least two nights. multiple roommates. a lot of people were there and had talked to him. they were interviewed as well on the city's upper west side. he used the fake i.d. paid in cash but forgot to hide his face. he pulled down the mask to talk to the front desk worker. police tell me he came to new york city on a greyhound bus from atlanta. he had been in the city for nearly two weeks. it was about ten days. spotted at various locations before this murder. investigators tell me this. this is really key here it seems like so as things play out. he bought something to drink a

half hour before he murdered the ceo. him at a starbucks, face covered but he brought a drunk and put it in the trash. big mistake. they'll run it through the system hoping for a hit. the shooting was caught on camera. you have nighted healthcare ceo walking around mid town supposed to be here for work for a kwik trip to speak at a conference. he was shot not just once but at least two times, one right in the chest by this gunman. police say he used a modern version of an old-school suppressed handgun for this assassination. thompson was making $10 million a year. he had a huge job with united healthcare. worked there for 20 years. why didn't he have security is the question? listen. >> i don't know of one top 20 company that does not have personal security for their ceos. this is like i say, this is completely unusual. in my 41 years as being a

personal protection officer i have never seen a security this big in our industry. >> there were shell casings left right outside of that hilton lobby where it all went down. you can see the police officer on the ground looking at the shell casings. this is what i'm told they found in at least two of the casings words saying deny, depose and defend. what is that all about? similar to a book title that slams the insurance industry talking about how it is a racket and unfair and how certain people in america are covered and others not. we're working to see if that has anything to do with a possible motive. other sources are saying could the gunman have written those things to throw them off the trail on a real motive? you have to think about everything here. one more thing he might have left behind is a burner phone. he runs away from the scene after killing this man and drops a burner phone and they're scanning that for fingerprints. >> dagen: thank you so much alexis mcadams. terrific reporting as always.

we'll get back to you as the story develops potentially. phil holloway, former assistant district attorney and former police officer and legal advisor to georgia's sheriff eva's department. pick this up where alexis was reporting the gun is very unusual. it seems to be a modern version of what -- of a well-wrought pistol developed for the british special operations executive which was churchill's secret army. it is a bolt action suppressed pistol or a modern version of that where it is designed to have a silencing effect. it's a weird gun. it would be easy to trace if that indeed is the modern version of that very somewhat rare bolt action pistol from the 1940s. >> great to be with you. that well rod gun is, in fact, very unusual.

it was described as the perfect assassin's weapon. if that's what the gun was, it looks like that to me as well, it is not something that's widely sold. so that's the kind of thing that authorities particularly like the dea and atf can go in and check the records to see who might have been in there buying a weapon like that. if you take it a step further, if law enforcement cases like this you start at the center and work out. that means not only from the victim himself, look at his phone, his electronics, work outward and talk to the people in his life and perhaps eliminate them as potential suspects but the alleged shooter as well, dagen. now that we know probably that he traveled to new york from here in atlanta just a couple of miles from where i'm sitting now i can tell you that atlanta, like new york, has a very robust crime camera system and the greyhound station is in an area of mid town where there is lots

of high rise buildings, lots of corporate offices and other types of businesses, all of those places also have private security. so at some point when you go backwards in time from this assassination. that's what it was. he probably has let his guard down. he has had an interaction or taken an uber, bought a sandwich somewhere or used a credit card or his own face. we have family and friends and prior co-workers know them. law enforcement if they don't already have his name. they might. they will have it very soon. he have is not a professional in the sense that he covered his tracks back that far. >> dagen: and according to reports he took an uber back to the hostel the second night that he checked back in and, of course, united healthcare would have a giant security unit and would be able to provide any information to the nypd and

investigators about threats to the ceo in prior days, weeks, months, even years. moving on to this, phil. president biden's pardon of his son, hunter, has one democrat saying that the standard should apply to both sides. here is senator john fetterman. >> it is undeniable that the case against hunter biden was really politically motivated but i also think it's true that the trial in new york for trump, that was political as well, too. in both cases i think a pardon is appropriate. we cannot allow these kinds of institutions to be weaponizeed against our political opponents. and it is very clear both trials were politically motivated and weaponized. >> dagen: a new piece with the headline the liberal media lace

ground work for mass pardons of deep state mignons. biden's team is listening. it comes after reports that biden's white house is considering preemptive pardons for people who they think president-elect trump could target. names include dr. tony fauci, senator-elect adam schiff. liz cheney, former joint chiefs of staff mark millie. the "wall street journal" editorial board argues preemptive pardons for-out going officials would be a bad precedent. the next lawfare escalation and establish a precedent that presidents on their way out the door will grant immunity to lists of loyal staff and officials. if biden really wants to cool the political temperature, he could pardon trump for two federal cases. this would be a political olive branch that might stop the reprisal ratchet.

phil, broad pardons to people who haven't been charged with any crimes? that would in the future anybody who went to work in an administration, particularly a democrat one, would think they could get away with well maybe murder while they were working there and be pardoned for what they might have been caught doing. >> certainly that type of pardon is not what the founders envisioned when they gave the chief executive of the united states such broad pardon power. i'm sure this kind of thing never crossed their mind or they would have made it less broad. nevertheless, let's taken toy fauci, right? all those people that you mentioned, including him, have denied that they have done anything wrong. they have denied any federal criminal activity whatsoever. so if joe biden were to go so far as to preemptively pardon an anthony fauci, for example.

history will forever judge him as being someone who needed a pardon. in other words, he had done some particular federal crime for which he needed a pardon. he has very mentally denied that. others have said he could be indicted for lying to congress. people say maybe he committed sometime of mass fraud by lying to the american people about masks, vaccines, social distancing, school closing and the whole thing like that. history will forever judge anthony fauci and the others who needed a pardon because they committed a federal crime. that's not what these people want. >> dagen: rand paul did make a criminal appeal to fauci's testimony to congress. good to see you, sir. the doge duo, they take on our nation's capital. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy pitching their vision to lawmakers. most republicans on board and

some democrats support is trickling in. the final hearing of the house task force on the assassination attempts on president-elect donald trump. that going off the rails. >> i would like to ask him a question. >> order, order. >> don't -- >> order . >> i'm asking you a serious question. >> i am a public servant who has served this nation. >> dagen: a lot of heat. was there any light? florida congressman brian mast weighs in next.

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>> dagen: we're on verdict watch in the new york city criminal trial of marine veteran daniel penny. the jury just sent a note to the

judge. they are deadlocked on the first count in this case. this is manslaughter in the second degree. cb cotton, tell us what you know. >> that's right. the jury just passed a note to the judge saying it is unable to reach a unanimous decision on the most serious charge in this case, second degree manslaughter. the judge said in the courtroom that he thinks he now needs to instruct the jury on an allen charge telling the jury you need to go back into deliberations room. talk more, consider the viewpoints of other jurors and try to reach a consensus. at that point if the jury comes back again and still doesn't have a unanimous decision the judge would have to declare a mistrial. of course, we know if there is a conviction on this most serious charge, there are high stakes for daniel penny who would face up to 15 years in prison. but so far the jury says it is not able to reach a unanimous

consensus on that charge. we know all eyes are on this case across the country. it is really initiated a lot of conversations across the converse, on race, policing and criminal justice system. jurors asked to review lots of key evidence in the case to include the video evidence of the choke hold. the 25-minute taped interview daniel penny had with police at the precincts when he waived miranda rights to answer detective's questions. he didn't know neely died at the time. the jury wanted to see yesterday a one-minute clip of the choke hold that was captured by a high schooler who was on the subway that day. they also wanted the definitions of recklessness and negligence read back from the judge. so a lot more to watch here at the courthouse for sure, dagen. >> dagen: the second -- let me back up. an allen charge you would think

the judge would wait to read what they also referred to as a dynamite charge if the jury was deadlocked on both of these charges as opposed to just one because they are still going back to deliberate criminally negligent homicide correct, cb? >> based on the notes i'm getting from the courtroom the judge is telling the prosecution and defense he doesn't believe he can instruct the jury to deliberate on the second charge because they don't have a unanimous decision on the most serious charge, second degree manslaughter. to my understanding in the courtroom he is trying to figure out what to do next now that jurors can't reach a consensus on the first charge. >> dagen: so there had been eight notes that had come out so far as of this morning before the jury reconvened at 10:00 a.m. in lower manhattan. two were about scheduling but they definitely seem -- please

correct me if i'm wrong -- seem to be looking into the -- what was the judgment of the coroner about the cause of death because that was evidence that was really pushed by the defense about was it definitively the choke hold that caused the death versus what about the drugs that were in the system, what about pre-existing conditions like sickle cell disease? >> jurors wanted to rehear portions of medical examiner harris's cross examination when she talked about issuing a second death certificate for neely. she testified during the trial she issued that death certificate ruling jordan neely's death a choke hold without toxicology results and said during the trial that toxicology results wouldn't have changed her mind and said the results could have come back

with fentanyl and her decision was confirmed on the basis of what she saw in that widely circulated video showing penny restraining neely. jurors were particularly interest in that portion of her cross examination where she talked about issuing the cause of death without the toxicology results. i have been talking to a lot of legal experts about this case and they say this is particularly interesting because it appears like the jury may not be able to find causation from penny's actions and neely's death. >> dagen: terrific work. we'll get back to you as this develops. thank you so much, cb cotton in lower manhattan. phil holloway rejoins us, former assistant district attorney and police officer and legal advisor to georgia's sheriff's department. you heard the reporting of the deadlock on the jury on the manslaughter in the second

degree count. this is the first count. what do you make of this? >> well, i'm not surprised. look, in manhattan you have a very di verse population there. i understand there are a few lawyers on the jury. any time you have got more than one lawyer in the room there is bound to be some disagreement. causation as she mentioned, as well as the intention. what was in the mind of mr. penny when all this sort of was going on? those are the two big issues. it is really easy for me to see how there might be some disagreement. particularly with respect to the jurors that come from, you know, manhattan. you have people from all over the political spectrum and there is a social aspect to this case. a lot of people say that the criminal system in manhattan is a political system disguised as a criminal system. you never know what kind of dynamics are going on in the jury room. the judge ordinarily will, in fact, give that allen charge or

dynamite charge at least once. he can say look, folks, go back there. no other jury anywhere can be presumed to do a better job than that. you go back there and get to work and continue deliberations but will also tell them they should not surrender any honest beliefs but that they should talk to each other and discuss it sort of together to see if they can still come up with a verdict. if not, we're in hung jury territory. i thought this is where we would wind up. i'm not surprised it is on a friday. these things seem to hit on friday. juries don't want to take it home over the weekend and come back next week. if they feel like they are hopelessly deadlocked they'll tell the judge that and call it a day. >> dagen: i've covered many trials. it does seem to be the case. they don't want this hanging over them and having their relatives and friends grill them about it, quite frankly.

paul mauro is joining us on the phone. paul is with us right now. your reaction, paul. so the jury comes out and says we're deadlocked on the top charge of manslaughter in the second degree. but there is still the possibility of them deciding on the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide. just walk us through what is happening in that jury room. >> so the top charge imports a reckless standard, okay? that means essentially it's a more guilty mental state for lack of a better term. it means you were reckless, you saw the risk and you ignored it. the lower mental state is the negligence charge and that is you didn't see the risk but you should have and that remains in play according to what we know right now. so if they remain deadlocked on the top charge, they can still deliberate on the lower charge.

it is up to the judge. the judge can say i want you to continue deliberate. the defense will ask for a mistrial. the judge almost certainly after he gives the allen charge if they come back and deadlocked on the top charge, judge will say go back in and continue to consider the lower charge. as i said, it is a lower standard. as a result, it's possible they could still come back with that verdict. it would be a split verdict. they would have hung on the top charge and the lower charge could still be in play. >> dagen: correct me if i'm wrong. i've served on a jury, paul. it was not a manslaughter case. however, if you can't come to a unanimous verdict on the top charge, why didn't the jury just keep deliberating rather than coming out and telling the judge this? why weren't they just looking at both of these charges in their

totalality? does that make sense? >> we don't know what went on in the courtroom. there were a couple of lawyers at least that we know of on the jury. so there is a good chance that -- i'm speculating here. one of the lawyers ends up being the foreman and takes a very methodical approach here and says you know what? we're going to go each charge independently here. they've got the legal instruction when the judge charged the jury. this distinction was made by the judge to the jury when they went off to deliberate. they know about this distinction between the two charges. it has been very, very clearly laid out to them. they very well may have said let's start with the top charge. for all we know, they haven't even gotten to the lower charge yet at all. that's why they are coming back with this note now. >> dagen: as you noted, i talked to you about this, it was last week, paul. you said that it was the -- one

of the kind of lynch pins of this case for the defense would be how did the death of jordan neely occur? and was it directly caused by the choke hold? that seems to be, based on one of the questions -- one of the notes sent out, one of the essential areas of focus for this jury, paul. final word. >> the medical testimony here was going to be very, very key and the fact that there were no broken bones in the neck, the hyoid bone wasn't broken, the fact that the m.e. made this statement that she would have come to that decision independent of even seeing the toxicology report. she hadn't seen it. a lot of that raised reasonable doubt for at least some people on that jury. that's where we are now. why a lot of us predicted it would likely be a hung jury. it is -- this is no victory for daniel penny.

it should have been an acquittal. >> dagen: and we wait. thank you so much. we'll bring you back. trump's doge -- congressman brian mast was a part of those conversations on capitol hill yesterday and we'll talk to him next.

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yesterday meeting with members of the house and senate. they gave more details on their vision for slashing government spending and regulations. doge has gotten some bipartisan praise but not everybody is on board. >> the impoundment of funds by congress is unconstitutional and illegal. if there is a plan that president trump wants to propose to the congress, he should send it to us. but the constitution does not permit the president to simply avoid what the congress has done. that power of the purse is with the legislative branch, not the president. >> dagen: well, that's not what doge is doing. jared mass could wits and dan goldman said they would join the doge conference. here is goldman. >> i think it is important that

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in here and expose that and the most profound thing that i heard them say is something that everybody needs to recognize. america right now is no longer a democracy. we are a bureaucracy and run by unelected people in agencies. they are spending your dollars on waste, fraud and abuse. two in the state department. spending dollars at $20,000 a clip to do drag shows in countries like ecuador. spending dollars at $5 hundred thousand a clip to expand atheism in other countries like nepal. that's how they were burning up the american taxpayers' cash and they will bring it to an end. >> dagen: faceless bureaucrats making law, stealing the power away from the congress. no more, rip it up, congressman, rip it up. an all out screaming match

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were you the special agent in charge of the detail that day? >> i'm asking you were you the one in charge. you were not. oh, that's a bunch of -- you were trying to be -- >> do not invoke 9/11 for political purpose. >> i'm not. i'm >> you are out of line, congressman. >> order. >> elected member of congress and asking you a sir use question. >> i'm a public service who served this nation and you -- on our country's darkest day. >> the committee will come to order. committee will come to order. >> i'm asking you serious questions for the american simple and simple. were you the special agent in charge? >> i wasn't. i was there representing the united states secret service, sir. >> your time is expired. >> you know why you were there? you want to be visible. you are not going to get this job. >> i'm a member of this agency. you are out of line,

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>> dagen: happening right now vice president elect jd vance is in western north carolina. he is there to tour storm damage. this is weeks and weeks after hurricane helene ripped through that part of the south causing devastation. right now vance is meeting with first responders, specifically

volunteer firefighters in the town of fairview, north carolina. he is also joined by his wife on this special trip. fairview for people who know the area or don't, is right outside of asheville, north carolina. it is a small community in the county. it is a little bit southeast of asheville, north carolina, but the people of western north carolina, many of them have still been living in tents. essentially abandoned by the federal government. people whose jobs are essentially to help these very people in their time of need. they have been abandoned by those working for fema. by even the governor roy cooper. but not j.d. vance, not today and not his wife and not the incoming trump administration.

we'll monitor this and bring you more as we get it. democrat leaders have been building resistance to president-elect trump and his incoming administration. especially focused on efforts to crack down on illegal immigration. this week boston's city council voted to reaffirm a law forbidding police from cooperating with ice. the city's mayor and the state's governor have shared similar stances. dozens of illegal immigrants in massachusetts have been arrested for sex crimes in the last few months, many against minors. in california, the democrat chairwoman of san diego county board of supervisors introduced a resolution to expand the county's sanctuary rules to fully prohibit, quote, assistance or cooperation with ice, unquote. the vote scheduled for next week. california's democrat governor, gavin newsom, visited the border wall near san diego yesterday and bashed trump's tariff and

deportation plan. he also defended how his state works with the feds but says there are limits. >> we don't interfere with federal right to advance federal laws with federal resources. but again co-oping law enforcement to make them federal is not in a california law. >> make it about the policy. when you say things about trump, you need the president for something and you all in his face smiling and cheeseing the same way president biden was after they called him a threat to democracy and all these other things and he is like welcome back when it came time for the white house. cut it out. >> dagen: power panel. elections correspondent for the federalist and a democratic poll

tear and a ceo. great to see both of you. brianna, your reaction to this. there are plenty of democrat cities that are moving in the other direction. you have heard this just from the new york city mayor saying i'm willing to sit down with tom homan and discuss at least getting criminal illegal immigrants out of new york city. >> this is the tale of two cities. let's go to boston. at the same time that they reaffirmed this resolution to harbor illegal immigrants ice arrested a 26-year-old migrant for strangulation and kidnapping. when they put in a detainer request, boston ignored it. one city doubling down on the far left efforts and you have eric adams saying my constituents need serious relief. if it means working with the trump administration, that's what we'll do. >> dagen: we hear the word resist. are these democratic leaders,

newsom and his ilk, are they resisting their own constituents and residents and voters? because the voters clearly -- even voted for something very different and if you listen to the chicago residents they are outraged at the suffering and financial hardship they have experienced because of the influx of illegal migrants. >> that's right. immigration was a top issue to voters this year and exit polls show that voters trust trump more than harris by nine points on this issue. that said there is some nuance around the issue how voters feel. 57% majority say they want illegal immigrants deported but also that same amount of people said this they support a pathway to citizenship. the democratic governors need to acknowledge that people are concerned and want illegal immigration to be addressed. they are also putting themselves in a position to fight the trump administration if they take this too far. >> dagen: newsom, they expanded

in california, state medicaid to every illegal migrant of every age. so that is an incentive for people to come into the country rather than discouraging them. >> i was going to say that's an example. you look at the country. working class voters are very unhappy with the influx of illegal immigrants and impact it has had on their lives. >> dagen: let's listen to -- first let's go to president obama. he is talking about extremism but it is not the kind that you might think. listen. >> since total victory is impossible in a country politically split down the middle the result is a doom loop. government gridlock, greater polarization, wilder rhetoric, and a deepening conviction among partisans the other side is breaking the rules and has

rigged the game to tip it in their favor. >> dagen: who is listening to him at this point? >> his words would be more impactful if they practiced what they preached but they are calling us names and trying to lecture conservatives. it is his party that needs the lesson. >> dagen: speaking of extremism here is president obama campaigning for vice president harris. >> donald trump sees power as nothing more than a means to his ends. one of the most disturbing things about trump's rise in politics is how we seem to have set aside values base -- basic values. we do not need another four years of trump's arrogance and incompetence and division. america is ready for a new story, a better story. >> dagen: none of that helped. not to democrats. it helped president trump.

>> donald trump was very successful in regaining support of working class voters. he heard them and a message that resonated. he appointed a cabinet filled about billionaires. time will tell if these people put forward policies to make a difference to working class voters or just help the people. >> dagen: the rich got richer under president biden. it was the working people who truly suffered. but republicans know that wealthy people who run businesses employ everybody and they just want to create jobs. thank you both so much. brianna and carley, great to see you. nice to see everybody. have a great week. "outnumbered" is right after the break.

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