♪ ♪ >> sandra: at the place right now using dna evidence to build a suspect profile for the con men pictured here who killed the united health care ceo, brian thompson. this as we are learning to a person of interest capture by surveillance camera when reportedly pulled his face mask

down a woman that was at the desk at a manhattan hospital. that is a picture there. >> john: dropping the burner phone and water bottle fleeing the scene. using fingerprints and saliva samples to run through a database and hopefully that will lead to an arrest. fbi bill daley joins us on what it all means. but first, fox news alert from the white house. >> sandra: white house press secretary karine jean-pierre to hold first on camera briefing since president biden pardoning his son, hunter. the pardon, she said over and over again he would not do. that would never happen. what can we expect from the briefing room today? what will the briefings look like under president-elect trump's administration? let's ask incoming press secretary karoline leavitt here and she will join us live in a moment.

but welcome back, first of all, "america reports" the second hour and i am sandra smith in new york. >> john: john roberts, trump setting the stage when he takes office in january. last night he highlighted how the terrorist threat with justin trudeau from ottawa all the way down to mar-a-lago and also tapped a few more people to serve in his administration, border chief rodney scott and to take over customs and border protection in former georgia senator, david perdue, named as incoming ambassador to china. >> sandra: we have fox team coverage where you. peter doocy live from the white house briefing room, and karine jean-pierre and democrats reaction to some of president trump's picks. but first west palm for us, hi, bell appeared. >> sandra, good afternoon to you. president-elect trump biggest con pain had to deal with the

border and the illegal immigration and he just announced he wants rodney's got to be customs and border protection commissioner to help deliver those promises. now cpp commissioner is extremely important position and oversees all of border patrol and oversees all of the ports of entry in the country. that is where a large majority of fentanyl smuggled in the united states. during the first term, in a short time ago on fox with you guys, he said he will help carry out plans for mass deportation and consequences for illegal immigrants. >> we just need to deport these people. sanctuary's sanctuary cities will be nowhere off-limits and l basically empower dhs and in my case cpp to do the job america cured them to deal. >> in the meantime, trump backing pete hegseth to rally

republican support on capitol hill all week long. trump posted on tr truth social, pete hegseth is doing well in his support strong and deep within the thickness would have you believe. he was a great student at princeton and harvard educated with military might and he will be a great secretary of defense that leads with christmas and he is a winner and nothing to do to change that. pete hegseth responded to trump, thank you mr. president, like you we will never back down. and trump made the first public comment since the election leslie at the fox patriot awards. that is where he talked about the recent phone call with the president of mexico and his threats of tariffs. >> i spoke with as you probably read, spoke to the new president of mexico, a nice woman. and we had a very nice conversation. that she said the, why are you doing this to me? i'm not, i am putting a lot of

tariffs because you are allowing criminals to pour into our country and we cannot allow that anymore. >> and ask for what is next for president-elect trump who will actually be in paris tomorrow attending the reopening of the iconic notre dame cathedral. it has been restored after a horrible fire five years ago. well he has they are met, he is expected to meet with the french president emmanuel macron, excuse me, a lot to talk about because there is a whole lot going on in the world right now. back to you. >> sandra: bill melugin and west palm, a beautiful shopping and you, bell. thank you. >> john: the bromance, president-elect trump receiving support from surprising sources. the democratic senator john fetterman calling for a trump pardon in new york criminal c case. independent senator bernie sanders joins rfk jr. criticizing the food industry. peter doocy's live from the white house briefing where karine jean-pierre to brief

since the first pardon of hunter biden. could the tide turn for trump if there was to be a pardon in new york case, that would have to come from governor kathy hochul and i do not see her doing that. >> well code to the president, the current president could asko do that whatever political capital has left and it could happen but maybe it won't. but to your point about the progressive democrats paying kind of nice things about donald trump, it is not just them some billionaire businessman seem to think that m with the bottom lines and some of the tricky government contracts, including jeff bezos. >> i'm actually very optimistic this time around that we are going to see -- i'm very hopeful about his cash he seems to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation. my point of view, if i can help him do that, i'm going to help him because we do have too much regulation in this country. >> and there is more props for

trump from bernie sanders and business insider. this is the quote many of the things he did during the campaign were really ugly but on the other hand he has a smart guy. he is absolutely right to call for the first independent audit of the pentagon in over seven years. as mentioned, there is john fetterman is a trump and hunter biden is not all that different. >> i think, i think it is undeniable that the case against hunter biden is really politically motivated. but i also think it is truth that the trial in new york for trump, that was political as well too. in both cases, a pardon is appropriate. >> and the current president may have set the tone as one of the first democrats to drop all of the threat to democracy talk as soon as it became clear trump and his team coming back here, john. spin when a lot of democrats say

the sky is falling but others as you mentioned like the current president saying everything will be okay and then jeff bezos say- we will see what transpires after january 20th. and we will hear back from you soon when the white house press briefing gets underway, sandra. >> sandra: the white house briefing to start any moment now. we will watch for that to begin and asked me do, we expect a lot of questions on hunter biden after karine jean-pierre set up the briefings president biden would not pardon his son. we know how that went in incoming trump press secretary karoline leavitt joins us now. it is a pleasure to have you here. i want to first point out you will be the youngest white house press secretary in u.s. history, 27 years old and what is it like that they've got the job? >> it is an incredible honor and i am so glad president trump wants me to speak on behalf of the president of the united states. the spokesperson on the campaign the last two years and it is an

honorable lifetime with the greatest political campaign in history. a very much look forward to this and it is a big responsibility and i feel the weight of that spirit of the president has a mandate for the american people to change their lives and to deliver on the promises he madee campaign trail. >> sandra: he said in the announcement you would be his press secretary and would excel at the podium. speaking of which, a live look at the podium because we are anticipating white house briefing here to this will be fifirst on camera appearance, karine jean-pierre she did one gaggle but since president biden pardon his son, hunter. here she has repeatedly the ninth that would happen. is there any reason the president would pardon his son? >> i just said no. i answered. we have been answered that question several times which is still a no, it is still a no. it is still a know and will be a no and it is they know and i don't have anything else to add. will he pardon his son?

i don't know. >> sandra: i don't know any other way that she was lied to. she was sent out to the podium to say that and he has since pardoned his son. how would you handle a situation like that? >> you tell the truth and i think karine jean-pierre was lied to or lying to the press and therefore a code to the american people a complete dereliction of duty. you need a direct relationship with your boss and president trump i am here to voice his opinion to the american public. i plan to do that in my role. that unfortunately this was not the first live for karine jean-pierre and the white house told the american people the border was secure and americans knew that was not true. at they said bidenomics was working in inflation in endemic in transitory and the white house press secretary said her job was fit for the child. we sell on the debate stage that was not true either. we want to bring transparency to

the white house. >> sandra: are you planning or thinking potential changes how that works for the press briefing room works? this is a quote from they held on president-elect trump's shake-up of the white house press briefing room. the white house recoiling to shake it up. it would be a total mess, one white house told the hill this week. i would expect to boycott the briefing so that would put certain outlets in a tough spot. any plans to change the way the briefing room works? >> let me preface by saying there is never been a more transparent president than trump. we saw that in his first return. he consistently took questions directly. that is something the press is yearning for a peer to they have not have that over the past four years. their transparency and access to the free world and also the press secretary is what we will be holding briefings and the room. as far as the landscape of the briefing room it needs to have

the media habits of the american people 2024 and not the 1980s. president trump won this election by utilizing nontraditional, nonlegacy media voices outside of the beltway. that is clearly who the american people are listening to and digesting their news. it would be irresponsible of us not to include the voices in the briefing room. it is my job to communicate the president's message to the american people as effectively as possible. >> sandra: so they independent journals will be invited hand? >> we don't know except it don't make specific changes but exploring all options. >> sandra: president-elect trump picks as of now so one of the things you first sat down to optimism from president-elect in a tweet this morning over pete hegseth and the department of defense but what do you see happening there? >> contrary what the media are reporting, there has never been waking up optimism the confidence of president trump and pete hegseth.

he is in brilliant, intelligent war fighter and decorated combat veteran who honorably serve this great country. when we hear him speak on capitol hill, you hear how patient he has to stand up for the war fighters and the men and women serving into uniform. the pentagon is filling the people and we just failed seventh audit in a row. to the american people elected president trump to nominate outsiders who are not entrenched in washington politics to shake-up this wall. that is what pete hegseth will do and why the swamp is after him. president trump stands by him 100%. >> sandra: what is it like to spend all that time around the lawn must? >> he is in a very interesting guy with real changes to the government. it will be an exciting four years. speed to everybody talk about ts d.o.g.e. anything john fetterman said i don't know why it is controversial to eliminate waste? >> who could be against government waste? speed too great to have you here

and congratulations on the role and we hope to see more of you soon. she is going to be a busy lady soon. if not already. >> john: i would like to do fire off rockets with you on mosque and see who can catch them. i sat in the briefing room more than ten years and in terms of people threatening to boycott the briefing, they do it at their own peril because everyone who boycotts the briefing, ten people standing in line to take their place. >> sandra: i cannot imagine that would be the place in one of the things caroline said when she sat down all members of the press excited to have more access to the white house. there has been a level of frustration with even mainstream media and pointing out they had not had access to the current white house. >> john: i was there for the first briefings at the trump administration and talk about standing room only. i am amazed at fire commissioner did not shut the place down periods beta by the way, a live shot and we should see

karine jean-pierre the first on camera remarks since the pardoning of the president's son and we will watch for that. >> john: that will be an interesting dance. ukraine wasting no time making its case to president-elect trump's team and what ukraine is looking for a valid two and the war with russia. speed to the minutes of the supreme court taking up a case from transgender female athlete and what could be setting a pret for what constitutes fairness around transgenderran athletes. shannon bream is on deck and joined us next. o apply. they keep your money even if they turn you down. call newday. unlike other lenders, at newday there's no upfront appraisal fee, no upfront termite inspection fee and no upfront water test fee. not $1 out of pocket. give us a call. humana medicare advantage

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♪ ♪ >> john: terrace in daniel penny's trail it set to return from lunch any moment now. they have been struggling to reach a unanimous verdict. before the break they asked the judge how the law defines a reasonable person.

and they said they could not come to an agreement on the serious charge of second-degree manslaughter. the judge and urge them to keep deliberating and we will keep an eye on the court for anything coming up that being friday afternoon after lunch break, people who read those tea leaves say something could be coming this afternoon, sandra. >> sandra: legal battle between transgender going to the supreme court of minnesota. mike tobin has the latest. mic with the gender cases out there mech what makes this one stand out? >> because this is a case about powerlifting it gets to the central question. someone who went from puberty as a man with more brute strength and a biological woman appeared at the minnesota supreme court considering this case jc cooper who transitioned a female well in the 20s in the year 2018 usa powerlifting and denied entry in the women's division of the competition. but a special division called and asked was created so transgender people could

compete. the president of usa powerlifting said allowing transgender women to compete in that female innovation would discourage other women and create potential for injury and simply unfair. >> the rights of women need not be sacrificed for the rights of specific group. >> cooper is represented by a group gender justice which argue barring transgender competitor e human rights act. the legal director for transgender women it does not enter into a fair competition. >> singling out a group of people based on averages or generalizations about their body is illegal and bad for every protected status. >> now, you just heard from a psychologist with trans people and position with usa powerlifting is not transphobic but trying to preserve fairness, sandra. >> sandra: mike tobin on that, thank you.

john periods feelings shannon bream fox news sent date, this is a similar case to leah thomas. this is a biological male and got all of the advantages of strength and failed and then decided to transition. but usa powerlifting says inherently males who have gone through puberty fa 65% strength advantage over a woman. powerlifting is a sport all about strength advantage. so how in any way would it be prepare for biological male to compete against women? >> minnesota has a human rights act and that protects their ability to based on a protected characteristic, gender, so that is the ongoing argument. we will wait for the minnesota supreme court peer to this has been back and forth in minnesota but people watching well beyond minnesota because they want to know, doesn't have states that actually say if you were born

biologically male, you are barred from competing in sports for young women for the high school teams and those kinds of things. but it's about safety, the advocates will argue it is also about opportunity and about how women fight for the opportunity to get the sports scholarships and access to a college education based on that. we will see what the justices in minnesota ultimately decide. >> john: the supreme court we sell interesting arguments about the tennessee law that bans transgender treatments for minors. brett kavanaugh suggesting while europe was on the leading edge of pushing this for, they have done complete 180 and what he said during the arguments. >> england is pulling back in sweden is pulling back and it strikes me a yellow light or red line for the court to come in and constitutionalize the whole area when the best of the world, or at least the people where the countries at the forefront of this hour pumping the brakes on

this kind of treatment because of concerns about the risks. >> john: people who read the tea leaves and i know you are one of them think the supreme court will uphold the tennessee law. >> here is what is interesting, we think this will come to trio justices, and gore sage said nothing which is unlike him wit, many arguments since he joined the bench and for him to not ask a single question had not pushed either side, he seems to be holding this close. so you have to look to those three. we know where alito and thomas are and the chief as well. but you know these cases can take a long time. till they had their first secret go behind closed doors and they stick to normal routine. we have no idea how they will follow as they trade back and forth and jostle and tried to persuade each other. by the decision is due by june. it could go well beyond

tennessee so people are watching closely. >> john: they have no idea how to vote unless someone decides to leak it for a couple of justices. justice sonia de sotomayor and jackson eight dismissive attitude and then could tangie brown checks and drawing paralls between transgender allow an old bus in the state of virginia with interracial hi interracial marriage. listen. wonder if you thought about the parallels as to how this statute operates and how the statutes continue operating. >> every medical treatment as a risk, even taking aspirin. there is always going to be a percentage of the population with medical treatment that will suffer harm. >> john: a lot of people thought that was a bridge to too far like double mastectomies with the side effects of

aspirin. >> that has been tennessee's argument this entire time saying we are doing this to protect kids under 18. that is their language and they are making decisions they don't think i nurse fully equipped to make understanding the long-term ramifications and they did point to scientific evidence that shows some people will suffer harm with these treatments, not all, but if you make life altering decisions they want you to wait until eight in tennessee and a dozen of states that passed similar laws. >> john: fox news sunday with the reagan defense form there at the museum and library in simi valley. who do we have on this week question. >> that is right. i am sitting with sitting with air force one. it is a spectacular place to be that defense around the world, we have veteran bipartisan wall panel pouring them at cory mills and trump advisor retired generk about all the things confronting the world and will make trump

2.0 china, iran and beyond periods bill and the fact the new national security advisor talking with zelenskyy how to end this war in ukraine. i'm sure it will be a fascinating show. have a great weekend. >> see you sunday. >> john: thanks, chana and mike shannon. >> sandra: hanging in the balance after federal appear at the appeals court and we will have a live report just a head. >> john: for the police on the hunt for unitedhealthcare's ceo killer as we learned the new evidence fueling the nypd search. former fbi next

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peer to that is how they caught the bus and backtracking from they are meant. it does feel like a matter of time. speech of the plates closer to an arrest as emerges in the nypd search who killed unitedhealthcare ceo, brian tho. the place they arrived in a city great help greyhound bus and using dna to build suspect profile and running through the suspects werner found. the fbi investigator, bill daley, thank you for being here. do you think they are getting close? >> they are getting close and layer by layer with more information to the public as i would suggest law enforcement police have quite a bit more than revealing at this point. >> sandra: okay, so, this is -- this is randy sutton earlier today on what he says he finds interesting, bill, law enforcement is handling the

search for the suspect. listen. >> this is a very interesting case. the fact they are giving out so much information i also find interesting. the fact they are letting everyone know about this individual's movements. i think part of the investigator's strategy is to put as much out there mack and the public and hope for a setting of this individual becae you can't hide under a rock that won't. >> sandra: you can't hide under a rock that won't, bill, but there seems to be some growing hope that he slept behind enough that they will get there. what you think will be key right now in finding him? >> well, certainly, these images we see right here. the first thing an officer hopes for is someone will know the individual and call-in because they want the reward or just being a good citizen. and the other thing further as they go through this trail and

we look at what doing once he arrived in new york which appears to be around the day before thanksgiving, at least what the reports are coming out about. which is interesting, sandra, two days behind unitedhealthcare and infested services noted a conference in new york. it was only a couple of days after he arrives in new york. so with that the greyhound bus trip or whether something that preceded that where he got to perhaps atlanta or whether what he did here in and around new york, more information about this individual. so that police are learning first up on the images. that is why they are pushing them out and dna or fingerprints take a little bit more especially if forensically examined closer because an audible and audible. these things will help us identify who the person has. speed to fill, i have got to leave it there and we have to

head live to the white house because karine jean-pierre's briefing talking about the hunter biden pardon. press. >> secretary jean-pierre: part of where the question comes from because all of the facts you have outlined you well know in advance. and i would add there has been in circumstances that have changed for a spirit of the republicans not letting up and saying they will not stop and i mentioned the recent trump appointees of legal enforcement positions that said during the campaign, they would have -- they were out for retribution. so no reason to not take them for their word. that was well-known. i said there are multiple factors but not one thing led to this. multiple factors and if you look at all of these, it is a combination of reasons why the president wrestled with this over the weekend and made the decision. >> that president has had time

to absorb this but does he have any concerns about the fact granted this pardon? in many americans understand as a father and how you but did this but does he have concern about the credibility or future pardons question marks before and i would say to bring up cliburn again and i think it is important because you were asking what we said over the summer. and he spoke to the president two weeks ago but the president said, this is his words. when he tried to encourage him to pardon hunter biden. i think that is his son, obviously an important to note. i would refer you back to the last couple of sentences and the president's statement. i think it is important here where he talked about wrestling this and wanting to will

understand that the american people are fair-minded and talked about the importance of doing this and thinking about this over the weekend and coming to this decision and how he wrestled with it. that was a message to the people. the whole comprehensive statement was something he wanted to share with the american people. i think that way he ended his statement actually acknowledges and wanted to be very clear to the american people his own personal thinking about this and understanding that they would look at this. he believed they would be fair minded about their spirit. this is not easy, it wasn't, it wasn't. you mentioned the statements we have made over the summer so obviously this was not an easy decision to come to come to. >> reporter: the president of the united states. >> secretary jean-pierre: kelly you know it's president,

you followed him during the vice presidency and you have covered him. when he has asked a question directly, he answers directly. >> reporter: we are where we are and does he regret he misled the public? >> secretary jean-pierre: look, what i will say is he laid out his thought process. he talked about the underlying -- the underlying facts of the case. he thought it was very important and part of the paragraph of his statement wanting to explain and talk about the gun charges, talking about the tax cases and wanting to make sure they understood these types of things would not be a normal reason to prosecute, right. no one would be prosecuted with these facts. whether aggravated factors or really broad when you think about the tax cases when taxes are repaid with penalties and

rarely criminally charge that handled civilly. these are the things the legal experts also agreed with him on. so, he wanted to lay that out for the american people as well. i don't have anything else beyond what the president laid out his thinking in his written statement in his words. i just don't have anything on that. >> reporter: the president has also faced real swift criticism from the members of his own party around this issue. they called it a mistake and said republicans will use this against democrats in the future. has the president need to respond to the democratic colleagues around criticism of his decision? >> secretary jean-pierre: look, what the president is going to focus on and you have heard us say this is running through the tape. he will focus on the american people. he will continue to deliver historic progress every day. that will be his focus.

if you think about his legacy more broadly, it includes getting us out of the coven coven and bringing the economy back. it includes beating big pharma and making sure we had infrastructure investment and we are able to do in a bipartisan way. we are talking not just about the actions the president has taken that people will feel today but generations to come. so that is going to be his fo focus. i think the folks in his party will have a lot of thoughts on this, obviously. but there have been -- we have heard quotes in support for many, from many elected officials. senator dick durbin and he said it is a right given to the president and a power given to him under the constitution. joe biden is using it in a humane way. hunter biden has been exploited for purposes and it will be the last time in american history but i can certainly understand

jill biden understanding he wants to protect his son. nancy pelosi asked about this issue said i support the president. their representative said it is a right move and others in the democratic party and the leadership and others who have supported this president and his decision. >> reporter: now, when the president is saying he believed political, does it make it easier for incoming trump also to say that he needs pardon? >> secretary jean-pierre: look, i'm not going to get into what the incoming administration is going to do or not do. at that is not something i'm going to speak to and i've been consistent about that since the election. we are clear where we stand january 6th. i will not get in to that, but i think can you well, some of you have recorded this, the republicans have very political opponents in congress have been clear about their spirit of the

president talks about this in his own statement how they took credit for bringing political pressure on the process with hunter biden's plea deal so they took credit for that when it fell apart. they took credit for that. they said they will not stop. so began, i will not point to one particular reason for the president's making this decision. there has been changing factors that led him to where he decided and weighed this to station over weekend. >> reporter: the idea of the pardon, he did not rule that out at the white house is considering -- >> secretary jean-pierre: i'm not confirming anything. i'm just saying i won't get ahead of the president on this issue. there is a process. what i am saying it is i'm not getting ahead of the president. i am not. he is going to make announcements on pardons and

commutations and something every president historically presidents due at the end that they are term. that normally happens around the holiday. so you can expect the president making a decision. what i can talk to and speak to is this particular pardon a couple of days ago at his son and what he's been able to do. i laid out historic actions the president has taken when it comes to pardoning commutations of past four years as past april. i will not get into hypotheticals here and i will not get into the president -- >> reporter: have you, and asked the president? >> secretary jean-pierre: we have seen from advocates who have been very public in lobbying the administration for certainly partisan clemency and commutations peer until you have heard from them and you had seen it. i'm just not going to get into specifics on what we are going

to do, not do and i will not get ahead of the president. i think you can understand the process and keep going. >> reporter: you mentioned there is a process and i would love you to spell out how that process is working. is it in conjunction with the justice department and is the white house handling it -- mike you can answer if hunter was inside or outside of the process. >> secretary jean-pierre: i actually answer that question on monday. the president made the pardon for hunter biden in the white house reached out to the to the department of justice because it has to be filed with the department of justice. it was the president's decision and no computation but the president has the right to do this. that was obviously a very separate process as it relates to more commutations and more pardons and that process, obviously the department of justice is involved in that.

there is a review process. that is how we will move forward on those types of decisions. >> reporter: is at the chief of staff? >> secretary jean-pierre: white house counsel will be a part of this process. i just don't have anything beyond that. >> reporter: just quickly, president trump will be in france this weekend for reopening of notre dame. also, jill biden. how does this feel president trump's meeting with foreign leaders happening? >> secretary jean-pierre: i mean, look at is not unusual. as you heard say before the national security and jake sullivan was asked this question on the president's national security advisor made that same comment here too but is unusual for men there is a president-elect and heads of state and foreign leaders who want to have that conversation with president-elect. so i would just leave it there.

go ahead. >> reporter: why isn't the president of the united states going to go to the reopening of notre dame? why not? >> secretary jean-pierre: so, as you know, the first lady is attending and attending as part of larger travel to italy, uae and qatar. she will be representing the administration. were both invited to be there with the reopening of notre dame character of the president had a schedule conflict, which is why he was not able to attend any specifics on the first lady eight trip and what that will look like, i certainly will refer you to the first lady's office. >> reporter: he was invited? >> secretary jean-pierre: he was invited but a scheduling conflict which is why he is not attending. the first lady is there and he is proud she is representing. anything further on her visit i would refer you to her office.

>> reporter: a question on meeting foreign minister is today at lunch. the new arctic foreign policy face russia, china. four years later and with the successor who seeks to be skeptical, how does the president see canada's involvement in you mutual defense in international crises? >> secretary jean-pierre: look, the president values our strong partnership -- >> sandra: karine jean-pierre having to depend biden's about face for pardon for hunter biden. she was at the podium saying he would not do that but of course he now has. she defended by the circumstances have changed, john peer to perfect is when you think about how the president got to this decision, circumstances have changed. >> john: there is a word

president biden likes to use a lot, malarkey. and you can apply that from what we heard from the podium today. andy mccarthy had this pegged a few months ago and the writing was on the wall. do want to know what is malarkey, karine jean-pierre said people don't get prosecuted for this. 2016 when the years hunter biden evaded taxes for and pled guilty, there were 584 tax fraud convictions. in terms of not getting prosecuted for lying under federal firearms application form, 1473 this tobacco and firearms january 10, 20 23, federal prosecutors progressively pursuing those who lie in connection with firearm transactions and u.s. attorney robert jay trust are keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them is paramount concern and we will use the tools available to us to pursue those who use or lie

to try to buy a gun. what she said on those fronts is absolute and unfettered malarkey pure and simple. speed to an avoidance on talking about whether or not the president is considering potential preemptive pardons coach above perhaps was a bit of a sign that he may be considering that. she said recently announced trump appointees for law enforcement said on the campaign if they were up for retribution. she also said the president is revealing other pardons and commutations at this time before the end of his term. >> john: it is the president's prerogative to preemptively pardon someone. there was talk and democratic circles if trump would win he would pardon himself. now there is talk for people like john fetterman pat kathy hochul of new york should pardon trump for the civil case that he is facing. jonathan turley is with us now.

jonathan, i don't know how much of the briefing you got to hear and the reasons that karine jean-pierre was giving for president biden doing a 180 on the lies he has told the american public. so many months now but what do you make of this whole thing? >> well, it is an extraordinary thing to watch peer until you have a person who spent so many press conferences the eminent re to nine and pardon was going toe considered. but what the press corps has not pressed her on is that fact networks reporting these discussions have been ongoing since as early as june. so these denials are being made and while at the president said he would not considering it he was considering it in the president was lying. and of course, any time a politician lies to the public, he says, "i change my mind." this is not the type of thing

you change circumstances like what is being cited peer into the being made by karine jean-pierre. we have looked at who he appointed and there is a sentencing coming up. all of those factors were well known to the president. but the test of principle is to do things when they are not to your advantage and to do things, frankly, your family could benefit from unethical abuse have your power and to refuse to do so. and all of this was rather pathetic and watching an effort to explain what is grossly unethical. >> john: professor turley, thank you. we will be chewing this over for the rest of the afternoon. good to see you, sandra. >> sandra: we will be right back.

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to tiktok. >> at appeals court agreed that the law forces tiktok's parent company to sell it or face a ban is constitutional. the d.o.j. argue the app is a national security risk. the chinese parent company bitedance could collect evidence on american and share it with the chinese government and manipulate content on the app. the judge's reason that con dwres didn't aim to suppress specific ideas or messages and that congress narrowly tailored the law to deal with the national security threat. so what happens next? tiktok has until january 19th to divest or the app could be banned in the united states. the president has an option to grant a 90 extension if the company is making progress to a sale. tiktok could ask the supreme court to take up this case and

based on the statement it gave up, sounds like that will happen. the company says the tiktok ban was conceived and pushed through based upon inaccurate and flawed information, resulting in outright censorship of the american people. the company says that tiktok ban unless stopped will silence the voices of over 170 million americans here in the u.s. and around the world on january 19th, 2025. as you know, president-elect trump who pushed fafr ban during his first term, actually campaigned this time around on saving the social media platform. that january 19th deadline, sandra, one day before the inauguration >> sandra: thank you. john? >> john: top aide to zelenskyy meeting with president-elect trump's incoming foreign policy team. met with the envoy to russia and ukraine, keith kellogg on

wednesday. and national security. trump is trying to negotiate an end to the war in ukraine or very at least a cease-fire. putin is not likely to just withdraw. how does this end? >> i don't think it ends any time soon, john. putin's goal was to destroy ukraine as a state and install a puppet ream. anything less could be a strategic defeat. this will be a challenge for general kellogg but i can't think of a better person. he has a distinguished record of public service going back to the vietnam war and over to him to unravel this and involve our european allies. our nato members who will be responsible for engaging with ukraine, post-war ukraine, economically, diplomatically and militarily.

>> john: so trump's lever average with ukraine, can be if saw don't want to sign onto the cease-fire you are not going anymore more support from the united states. what happen would his leverage -- what would his leverage with putin be? >> ukraine would like nothing more than to stop the russian army from raining down hell on their civilians. so leverage over russian xha nova scotia will be more ukraine to -- so more leverage over russia would more weapons to ukraine and seizing up on the sanctions. we want to make sure that we break russia's alliance with china. easing up on the sanctions might do that. we want. protect your worship from the shadow of another russian invasion as well as our one trillion worth of trade to your worship and the last thing we want is another war on

continent of your worship. >> john: we know the trump administration has momentum already. have a great weekend. >> thanks. >> john: it will be busy weekend with the notre dame cathedral reopening and the images of donald trump there with jill biden. >> that will be something. >> sandra: hope you have a great weekend. thanks for joining us. i'm sandra smith. >> john: that happened quickly. what happened to the year? seemed to take forever and then seemed to go by like a bullet train. i'm john roberts. martha? >> martha: thank you, john and sandra and good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum. this is "the story" for friday. we have two breaking stories. here in new york, everyone watching this very