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as trump is concerned is people who are loyalty. >> i don't answer to anyone in this group. none of you. >> every saint has a past and every sinner has a future. that's why god made confirmation hearings ♪ ymca >> if he were to ask village people to perform, we would have to seriously consider it. >> aishah: donald trump spends the weekend in france. we will be covering it for you. talk about his first foreign trip as president-elect. and also, please join shannon bream for "fox news sunday," her guest are retired lt. general h.r. mcmaster, florida congressman cory mills and massachusetts seth moulton. thanks for watching "special report." i'm aishah hasnie >> laura: good evening. i'm laura ingraham. thank you for watching.
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my angle in moments. first, this is a fox news alert. the jury in the daniel penny trial has gone home for the day. and the manslaughter charge has been dismissed after the jury was deadlocked. but the case isn't over. fox news correspondent c.b. cotton is outside the court with all the details. c.b., what can you tell us? daniel penny's fate hangs in limbo until monday when they come back to deliberate criminally negligent homicide a charge that carries the potential of up to four years in prison. jurors came back twice today, deadlocked on the most serious charge, second degree manslaughter. this evening after lots of debate between defense attorneys, prosecutors, and the presiding judge. the judge ultimately made the decision to dismiss that charge. since when deliberations first began on tuesday. jurors have asked to review several pieces of evidence lots of video evidence they have wanted to resee.
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testimony and they asked the judge to review pars of the law so, jurors are clearly taking this job very, very seriously. we spoke with the retired no, criminal courts judge, george grasso. and he says this entire case is really a failure. not only to daniel penny, but also to jordan neely who had a documented history of mental health struggles lengths criminal record. and was battling schizophrenia when all of this unfolded on the subway last year. let's role that. he would have been incarcerated. but incarcerate him. he would be alive today and mr. penny wouldn't be in this situation. so the criminal justice system has a lot to account for. and i think. some extent mr. penny is being scapegoated. >> there was objection from the
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defense on whether jurors should be allowed to deliberate on this lesser charge. defense attorney thomas coercive at this point trying to preserve all of his on appeal but the big take away from today, laura, is that daniel penny the marine veteran charged in this case, his future hangs in limbo at this hour. back to you. thank you very much. claypool and saltman both criminal defense attorneys. brian, i will start with you, the judge dismissed the manslaughter charge despite telling they couldn't consider without a convince on that more serious charge. so, the criminally negligent homicide here or manslaughter. explain how this ended up happening given what the judge had said earlier?
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great to believe with you. good news, bad news for daniel penny what he did. think about it some jurors, we don't know how many, law, one juror that was hung up. might have been 11 jurors wanting to acquit daniel penny on the manslaughter charge and maybe just one juror that. ed to convict him. but the fact that there was a hung jury on the more serious charge is not great news for daniel penny now the judge is saying on monday they want the jury to hear the lesser charge, right? the negligent homicide is just being reckless and that caused the death. if you have already got one or more jurors hung wanting to convict penny on the more serious charge, then rest assured, when they dlicialt on monday they are going to want to convict him on the reckless negligent homicide bad news hung jury. good news some jurors in his camp that hung on the more serious charge. those jurors are-likely to stick
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with him on monday. so we're likely to see a hung jury by monday or tuesday on the lesser charge jordan neely's uncle spoke today. >> on behalf of the neely family, i want to apologize to all the people that was truly afraid for their lives on that train. jordan neely didn't have to die that day. daniel penny could have went to another car. even he had the legal right to do so. that's emotional but frankly absurd. >> absolutely absurd. something in the law called the assumption of risk. when you act like an idiot and imbecile when you intimidate and threaten people you assume the risk that something is going to happen. laura, this criminal justice system has completely failed this marine. from alvin bragg bringing these charges in the first place, the
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lead prosecutor not agreeing to a plea deal with the slap on the wrist. and now this judge who shouldn't have dismissed these manslaughter charges. rather there, shut have been a mistrial in this case. and let's start this entire thing over again. because now i'm concerned that, you know, defendant in this case is going to be convicted on monday and that's a miscarriage of justice. it's ridiculous i completely agree with you. remind what happened here. hung. negligent homicide causing someone's death acting in a manner that was reckless, in attentive or careless in addition if you failed to act and someone died also found to have committed criminally negligent homicide. brian, there almost seems to be a feeling you would in to it
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among some jurors maybe we will go with that one. that's not how the justice system is supposed to work here. >> yeah, absolutely, laura, that's what i meant earlier. you got some jurors that are saying hey, look, penny, they believe penny consciously was in disregard of neely's life, knew the risk, still did the chokehold, and, therefore, he should be found guilty of manslaughter, do you think those jurors now are going to do a 360? no, like you said, they are going to be like okay, i'm going to get him the lesser charge. let me tell you one thing, laura where this judge messed up and there should have been a mistrial on this entire case and penny's lawyers are going to have a great appeal issue. the judge should have asked that jury why they hung. because there is a legal justification defense for penny. that's a self-defense. and if this jury agreed that penny was entitled to self-defense, then he is off on both charges this that jury hung the justification issue it
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should have been dismissed that judge never asked. that's an appealable, erroneous issue on the judge's part. >> laura: andrew, do you agree with that? that's an excellent point. no, no, no. this is -- they couldn't decide. so how do you go to the lesser charge in that case? >> yeah. absolutely. it's just been a flawed process from the very, very beginning. laura, you remember this case. remember the kenny genovese case in 1964 where someone was raped and murdered on the street of new york. 34 people walked past and there was international uproar that nobody did anything. guess what? if he is found guilty in this case, we are going to have more instance like that because nobody is going to come to the assistance of somebody who is being harassed and hurt. >> exactly. >> laura: this is a miscarriage of justice. i think any common sense view of these facts to turn this man into a criminal and let all these criminals roam free in the city. that's all we need to see. brian, andrew, you are both great. thank you. all right. we're getting even more details
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about how easily prosecutor daphne yoran has been on actual criminals. yesterday we told you about the early man fell to his death after being robbed. yoyoran bragged. in the murder of army vet, yoran struck a plea deal with two of the four people involved in that fatal stabbing. yoyoran claimed couldn't prove e knew about the knife. not a terminal factor in causing the injuries. joining me madeleine abraham, sergeant correa's mom. tell me about your experience with yoran, the prosecutor in the daniel penny case and why they shouldn't look with a great deof skepticism. >> hi, laura, thank you for
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having me again. daphne yoran received this case i think in 202020 she was handed a strong trial ready murder case against all four of these individuals this are involved in hassan's murder. there were never any plea deals. there were never any considerations for a reduction of charges. the trial, i mean the case was strong, trial ready, murder case ready to go to trial. as soon as she received that case, it immediately fell apart. and she dismissed, completely dismissed murder and gang assault indictments against mary sanders and travis stuart saying that she felt sorry for mary because mary has a sick mother and a child. well, guess what? hassan has a mother and three small children who are now left destitute. mary received one year time served. she dismissed those murder indictment against her and charged her with assault with a
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shoe. and then she used mary to testify against her brother christopher using the same video. >> laura: i mean. >> yeah, um-huh. >> laura: madeleine, all these facts bring it all back to you. >> it does. >> certain cases not in other cases where the facts are maybe not as convenient. it doesn't look good. it smells to high heaven. madeleine, thank you very much. all right, washington has literally become a joke. my angle explains, next. ♪
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dad: you can talk to me. son: it's been really, really hard for me. ♪ >> laura: the real efficiency test. that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> laura: now, making government more responsive to the taxpayers. noble and necessary pursuit. and if anyone can make headway it's billionaire innovator elon musk. guys like steve jobs, albert einstein and henry ford all rolled into one person. get a massive rocket off the launch pad certainly he can make progress work okay capitol hill working with the doge caucus. all the naysayers out there we
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know what kamala harris' approach would have been. she would have borrowed and printed money until the world decided to stop lends to the united states all together doge pulls back the onion americans are going to learn a lot about what the joke. do you know most federal workers have never returned to the office post covid? back at the start of covid, the angle predicted that the same spoiled stay at home bureaucrats that we have been chronicling and discussing at the time for months and months that they would not return voluntary to the office because sending them home in the first place was a bad precedent. >> many federal employees haven't returned to work full time since the pandemic began. in person work is expected for people like store cleshes, janitors, airport personnel, but the average federal worker apparently believes staying home
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is their right. if they haven't been into the office for two years, how essential can they really be? >> laura: yeah, not essential at all. now, that was three years ago. and where do things stand now? >> how many federal employees are actually working in the office? by one estimate it may be about 1% if you don't count the security personnel that are covering these buildings. that is absurd. one of the first things that i think you will see is a demand from the new administration from all of us in congress that federal workers return to their desks and get back to the work that they're supposed to be doing. i think that is common sense. >> yes, yes, yes. it is a complete farce, none of you would get away with this. why should the federal workers. they have got to come back to the office or they just need to be fired. and every republican on capitol hill, they should have been making a huge issue of this all along. how insulting this has been to the taxpayers. now, many of these workers, of
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course, are not even at home. they are off to part unknown living their dream lives or as this viral photo suggests, just chillin' in a bubble bath. all right. every republican on the hill should be speaking out demanding that this type of madness end. now, if we can't agree on something like this, then how the heck are we going to agree on more complicated spending cuts. the type that doge wants to carry out: maga iowa senator joni ernst certainly no staunch, you know, right wing bomb thrower says people still at home, the federal workforce they have got to get back, legislation is going to be needed. it should already be written. 53 g.o.p. senators will surely support them. thus it, will pass unless it's filibustered by democrats. good. i dare democrats to filibuster this type of legislation. and over the house, well, we
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know there is growing opposition to muskens work on doge. >> it's illegal they haven't asked to meet with me inpoundment of funds unconstitutional and illegal. no such department of government efficiency made up. so good luck to them. >> laura: so much for the hope that there would this bipartisan outpouring of support for doge. there are a few people here and there. hakeem jeffries, the house minority leader, responded to this whole doge excitement essentially take taken feigning ignorance and claiming it's his all along. >> it's unclear to me exactly what the objective is related to this so-called doge initiative. from our perspective, we want a federal government that is
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effective, and efficient and equitable. to the extent the other side of the aisle objective for what is right for the american people, then we will see if there is common ground that's possible. >> laura: okay. okay. first of all, you heard the word equitable. look out for that and, yeah, when all of us think of the word efficiency, we think about the house democrats. not. all right. the fact is members of both parties though. we got to be fair on the ache gel. they are culpable here. with majorities voting for budgets over the years that have funded things like the list could go on and on. efforts to boost egyptian tourism, because that's your priority. training for dhs employees to be their authentic and best selves. and i love. this just found this today. $4 million for an alaska king crab enhancement project.
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5 million for the sugar cane research that's courtesy of bill cassidy. thank you. he we could be here all day long doing this list after list after list. by the way speaking of list. the same efficiency analysis must be applied to the pentagon as well almost # hundred million dollars budget. can't pass an audit for a reason. there is a huge amount of fat to be cut there vivek and elon. never met a pentagon budget they didn't like. yeah, this just changed. not 2004, this is 2024. and we're $35 trillion in debt. our interest on that debt is now
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over $1 trillion annually. and that will eventually kill us financially. but, in the end. there is not a lot of point in talking about reform to the big entitlement program which is a big share of the budget. medicare, medicaid. social security, which is a flash point in american politics. the toughest thing of all. until we can get substantial agreement on the basics. and on those basic issues, some of them we just discussed, we got to smoke people out here. we have to get them all on the record. if you are not with the president's agenda here, you're going to be primaried as a republican. just understand that now. then we can make real progress among both the republican and the democrats. and that's the angle. ♪ joining me now is kentucky senator rand paul, senator, it is great to have you back on the angle. it's been a while. i know you have been constantly
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focused on this. and you have been with vivek this week. what ideas have you given him because he is looking to you for ideas, other than, of course, as we were saying getting the federal workers. >> one of my favorite examples of federal workers not showing up is a few years ago we had an assistant to the head of the epa and he told his boss that he also worked for the c.i. a and so he would be gone for six months at a time finally we had a shutdown hey, mr. smith we understand works for you we haven't seen him in six months they said who? they never heard of the guy. the guy completely made up a story about working for the cia and for nearly a decade, millions of dollars was paid to this man he wouldn't she up. chase lounge i'm on secret mission to the middle east now can't talk. that kind of stuff runs rampant throughout government.
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can you save money. people say you can't balance a budget by making people go back to work. you certainly can start. when elon musk told the people at twitter go back to work a third of them quit. they are not used to work. when elon musk told them when you come back to work be prepared to do overtime. another third quit. so you can get rid of a lot of people. saves a lot of money. a lot of rules that protect federal workers some of the need to outsource things. i had it out with the postmaster general the other day. they lost 6.5 billion two years ago. last year they lost 9.5 billion. the only way to have better rules about making work and show up you have to outsource it. you can't keep hiring more government employees. you have to make them nongovernmental employees. >> laura: senator, how difficult is that process? because everybody knows that elon musk, vivek ramaswamy, are both brilliant individuals. they are extremely individuals, obviously elon is the richest in the world. washington is its own beast as
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part as they are. get stuff done. a lot will rest with you in congress. >> right. one of the big things elon did with spacex to get things cheaper was to go away from cost plus droockets competitive contracts. i think that can be done by the executive branch. i think they can lay off people. they can down size and they can go to competitive contracts is that going to balance the budget? not alone. i'm for getting rid of all this waste. when the government and federal government and state government cut welfare and aide and food stamps. the states need to be responsible for more of that because the federal reserve and our debt is financing the federal portion, the states will have to be more fiscally responsible because they either have to raise taxes for benefits or they have to be more conservative who they apply. to say i'm for looking at the entitlements, the waste, everything because it's such an
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enormous problem that if you put military off the table, you put entitlements off the table. all you have left is 16% of the budget. and if you eliminate that, you don't get anywhere close to balancing the budget ever. so while i'm for getting rid of waste. i'm for looking at all the spending. >> laura: the pentagon which i mentioned and the angle. there is so much waste. and so much duplicative and initiatives inside the defense department, they fault the audits year after year. have you been on top of this, the republicans frankly have been rubber stamping the pentagon budget for decades. that has to change. >> right. it's worse than that, laura. right now the first budget reconciliation that the republicans are proposing is to bust the pentagon caps we have military caps sphwending still going upwards. all the old, you know, guardrail in the senate, you know who they are, they are going to bust the military cap wells their first
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budget reconciliation. same as the first budget. that's exactly what i'm talking about. senator you and i have been going around and around on this. we will see what musk and vivek can move those bolders up the hill especially on the pentagon side. thank you for coming on. great to see as always. and coming up, biden's excuse for why he pardon dawned hunter and who could get the next one. and for the critical minerals crucial to new technologies. ontario is your third-largest trading partner
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bus and on his way or back in georgia and the investigation continues but the police need your help. listen. >> yeah. we believe he was here for about 10 days. but we have that bus leaving the same morning and going to the port authority terminal the same morning of the incident approximately an hour afterwards. >> this is the person of interest in the shooting. investigators say he came in on a bus from atlanta around thanksgiving and stayed in new york for several days. he was spotted there checking into a hostel. can you see him without a mask on. the shooting was caught on camera. the words deny, defend, and depose were written on those shell casings, brian thompson was killed. he was one of the largest healthcare insurance company ceo in the world. back out here live can tell you. >> laura: the white house first press briefing since pardoning hunter. the kjp is finally why. >> he wrestled with these circumstances. the change in circumstances ultimately. and the combination of that, the
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president changing his mind and issuing certainly led to the president changing his mind and issuing this pardon. he. he wrestled with it. he thought about it. he wrestled with it. he wrestled with it. and made this decision. that's what i can tell the american people. she is in impossible situation. no circumstances have changed. biden lied. she ended up lying, they all lied. and when it comes to those fearful being targeted by trump. >> reviewing other pardons and commutations. >> preemptive pardons on the table? >> i'm just not going to -- i'm not going to get into get ahead of the president. certainly the president is looking at, you know, reviewing next steps and there will be more to come. >> laura: next steps more to come. political analyst, pollster, ned ryun and founder of the ceo american majority. zip through this.
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ned, let's start with you. who is definitely going to be on this pardon list? i want your top three. then we're going to go to towery about this. >> i think you obviously got to put fauci up there. i think they want to give him a pardon. beyond that, i think you probably got to start looking at some of those people playing games in the intel community, doj, fbi. some of the actors like comey, clapper, brennan, all those people. my might want to get a pardon to be safe. one of the things that has to be done, laura, they talk about being targeted, about being trump being on revenge tour they are not. there has to be consequences. people might want to think hard about preemptively getting that pardon from biden. >> laura: matt, look, what do they have to lose? at this point, what else is liz cheney going to do? is she going to fill up
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stadiums? is she going to do big rallies say to the next democrat nominee in 2028, guys, please take me along because i was so effective in wisconsin and michigan last time around? so she has got to get a pardon for i don't know what. >> for bad political choices. i don't know who gets pardoned. maybe the president's brother comes to mind very quickly. you know, the truth is it's rather silly that we are even talking about this. the trump rhetoric is not the rhetoric that's being interpreted by the democrats or by the media. there are no threats. trump has basically said he is not worried about revenge and worried about successful. and success will be the greatest revenge of all. i don't really believe that there is a justification for all these pardons. in fact, might come forward. if they do, it's just going to erode confidence american people more and more in the justice system we just did a poll, 62% of americans believe there are two tiers of justice in this
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country right now. that is a massive number of people who believe simply isn't a fair justice system. >> laura: and, ned, this has to be changed. we can't have most of america believes corruption runs rampant anyone tell and doj. i want to say good people in both places we know that. >> correct. >> laura: there are civil servants who are dedicated. we can't have this. something has to be done. it's not all misinformation and disinformation that caused this. >> correct. >> one of our basic founding principles, laura, is that the law is king. and all stand equal before the law. doesn't matter what your last name is doesn't matter what your position is. you know, any of these connections that you might have all stand equal before the law. and when you talk about a two tiered system and bifurcated legal system, everyone has to stand equal before the law. there have been consequences for every bad actor, regardless of last name.
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regardless of position of power. and i do think, actually laura, i disagree a little bit. on the idea that there shouldn't be some consequences there have been very bad actors inside the doj and the fbi. this is why i sincerely hope that kash patel becomes the next fbi director there do have to be consequences so there is not this bad behavior in the future. because, laura, there were four fisa warrants off a fake dossier. continue to see this lawfare against trump coming out of the doj and other entities inside our government for us to stop this happening. people actually have to bear consequences or else next time i think it's even worse. >> laura: well, i say the same thing about covid. i mean, if there are no consequences, then why are we here? what are you really reforming? matt and ned, both of you as always, thank you so much. mexican drug cartels taking drastic steps to keep flooding america with fentanyl. where are they recruiting their fentanyl cookers from?
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it. somewhat successful, well, that's an open question. but the cartels know a new sheriff will be in town and now they are getting very creative. >> you know the business. and i know the chemistry. i'm thinking maybe you and i could partner up. >> laura: yeah, well, the fact is -- facts are a little bit like fiction these days because the sinaloa cartel are recruiting chemistry students now who don't have much money, a lot of them very poor to cook fentanyl in mexico instead of importing the raw materials from china. now, one of these students told the "new york times" recently that if they can succeed in creating these chemical compounds, it would make them the kings of mexico. joining me now is derek maltz, former special agent with the d.e.a.
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derek, another student told the "times" that chemists are needed to make the drugs stronger and get more people hooked. what do we know about these recruitment tactics? are they successful and how could this effect the flow into the united states and the toxicity of this fentanyl? >> laura, thank you for having me again, you and i talked about this for years, so the cartel are global enterprise, they have customers all over the world for their products. of course they are going to aggressively recruit vulnerable kids, taking advantage of weak people on a daily basis with the cartels, smuggling all the people. in but, the reality is, there is a demand. so the demand requires the expertise for manufacturing. and some young, aggressive chemistry major in mexico, it's actually makes sense that why they would want work. looking to make a living, looking to have a career. in mexico it's the fifth
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largest, according to the study, employer in mexico. so, my advice is the timing is really bad. if you are thinking about joining the cartels, with the america first train coming full speed ahead next month, that's not going to end in a good result, laura. >> laura: mexico just yesterday announced the biggest seizure of fentanyl in its history and the question even cbs is raising well, you know, this is the timing may not be a coincidence. they obviously want to send a message, i think, i don't know to the cartels as much incoming trump administration, that they are serious about taking on the cartels, do you expect mexico, itself, to really step up the efforts against the cartels that are so powerful inside the country. are. >> laura, i do believe president trump leading the pac, they are
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going to have no choice, president trump has made it clear that the american population, the kids in our country, our future generation are number one. if they are not going to step up, then the president is going to be more aggressive than they can imagine in my opinion. but, on the other side, look, going back to the other question, the cartels have worked with the chinese for so many years. laura, look at the methamphetamine that's coming into the country now, we're seizing tons of methamphetamine, they are bombing our country. but this seizure in mexico that they reported as the largest ever, like two to bees of fentanyl pills, fake pills, deadly pills, what i look at is i think what the hell? look at the production capabilities they have in mexico right now. so, yes, they need more chemist mists, but, laura, one thing i'm going to say they are probably going to expand routes into europe and asia, because there is going to be a demand around the world for these synthetic drugs. it's going to be a game changer. they are business entrepreneurs. >> yeah.
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well we have a lot of leverage it's called trade and tariffs and trump is serious about that. derek, those pill machines are almost all made in china. can you get them on the internet for like $10,000. it is deadly and our young people, especially, are being killed every day from this deadly drug. derek, thank you. disney's new snow white could be headed for less than happy ending. and obama just wants us all to get along. "friday follies" with raymond arroyo is next. ♪
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ilfaded. the first was snow white with a commune. it looked like snow white and the pirates that vote for harris. i thought she wandered into the chaz district in seattle. after blow back after the audience reacted negatively to this, disney created cgi dwarfs. but some online say they look like robert de niro at a renaissance fair. >> that is -- they look wooden to me. don't they look wooden? >> no. they are actual cgi characters. >> but raymond, look, the real problem is that the actress playing snow white that made inflammatory political statements -- how predictable. >> this is why people are
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calling for a boycott. rachel zegler bemoaned another four years of hatred and hoped "trump and his supporters never know peace." she swiftly apologized for the comment. you can imagine why people are upset and why they want to boy cot this thing. but to my mind, yeah, the political stuff is terrible. but i just saw the poster the other day. gal gadot is the evil queen here. when the evil queen is the farest of them all, you have problem. >> it is gal gadot, not gal gadot. >> say it your way. potato, potato. >> okay. interesting though. some performers unlike rachel zegler. even dedicated liberals are
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starting to read the room. comedian sarah silverman told the minnesota star tribune why she didn't campaign for kamala harris this time out. she said, my feeling that no one wanted to hear from celebrities right now. bingo, laura. >> she is smart. she will make more money this way. >> 75% of americans said they didn't want to hear from celebrities about politics. they were right. >> someone might have written a book called shut up and sing. >> george clooney is embarrassed for the way that he was trotted out. >> he was fuming that he was seduced. i say to clooney, you are supposedly this cool, oceans 11 guy, and now you are trying to blame obama.
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he could have said, i don't want to do this. he is trying to get out of the connection with harris at this point. that's just not -- that's not believable either. i am sticking up for barack obama here. it is not his fault. >> obama is pitching pluralism. listen to this. >> i have been spending a lot of time thinking about how we rebuild a conversation where folks are able to disagree without hating each other. pluralism is a fancy word for saying how do we build a bunch of different entry points for people to be in conversations with each other. >> laura: entry points, i don't know what he is talking about? >> if anyone needs a talk in pluralism, it might be barrack or michelle obama. they said this about trump. >> all that stuff does not mean
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that his presidency would not be dangerous. >> i am a little angry that we are indifferent to his erratic behaviour, and his obvious mental decline, his history as a convicted felon. a known slum lord. a predator. >> laura: wow, i am so glad we played this. i am so glad you reminded everyone. yay! >> well, and last night, he started his big pluralism speech at his foundation this way. listen closely. >> when i mentioned that we would have a forum on democracy and pluralism, i got more than a few growns and eye rolls. democracy is pretty far down on people's priority lists. >> can you believe that, laura?
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>> laura: no. >> the most divisive person in american politics in the last 50 years, barack obama. if you want to know why trump was elected, that's why he was elected because of barack obama. >> laura: elitest attitude, snobby attitude. he was wrong. he should come out and say, i misread the room and the country. and i wish president trump the best. if he is mr. pluralism, that's what he should say. raymond, always great to see you. that's it for us tonight. follow me on social media, that means twitter and instagram. you know the drill. and remember, it is america now and forever. jesse watters takes it from here. >> jesse: welcome to jesse watters primetime.
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