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that was his opener. the most divisive person in american politics. arguably in the last 50 years. barack obama. and if you want to know why trump was elected, that's why he was elected. because of barack obama. >> it is the restorative to that attitude, which is the way politics works. snobby attitud. and he was wrong. he should just come out and say, you know, i misread the room. i misread the country, okay? and i wish president trump the best if he's mr. magnanimous, if he's mr. pluralism, that's what he should have said. but he doesn't have grace in that moment. he should. he should know better. but raymond always great to see you. all right. that's it for us tonight. make sure to follow me on social media. that means twitter. that means instagram. you know the drill. and remember, it is america now and forever. jesse watters takes it from here. >> hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters, along with katie
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pavlik, harold ford jr. kayleigh mcenany and joey jones. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is the five. the judge in the daniel pennie trial giving an unprecedented lifeline to alvin bragg and the prosecution. he's dismissing the most serious charge of manslaughter in the second degree after the jury was deadlocked on it all day. but pennie still faces a second, lesser charge for negligent homicide. let's go right to cb cotton, who is live outside the courthouse in new york city. >> cb hi, jesse. well, daniel penny's fate still hangs in limbo now that jurors returned on monday to debate whether he's guilty of that lesser charge. criminally negligent homicide as you mentioned, the judge dismissed the most serious charge in the case second degree manslaughter, after jurors came back twice saying they were deadlocked on it around noon. today was the
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first time that they announced they couldn't reach a unanimous decision, and the judge had to give what's called an allen charge, which is when a judge urges jurors to go back and deliberate, try to reach a verdict. the judge overseeing the trial explained to jurors hey, if you don't reach a unanimous decision on this charge, a new trial will be set with a new jury. but around 3 p.m. after the lunch hour, they came back deadlocked again. there was debate between prosecutors and defense attorneys and the judge. the judge ultimately making the decision to dismiss that top charge. since when deliberations first began on tuesday, jurors have asked to review several pieces of video evidence in the case. parts of the medical examiner testimony, and they've asked the judge to review parts of the law. retired new york city criminal court judge george grasso explained to me what makes this case so hard for jurors. >> well, that's that's the reason why this is such a hard case for jurors acting in good
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faith based on the evidence presented in front of them. they start off with the premise that the defendant in this case was a good man, trying to do the right thing and act as a good samaritan and help people, and now they're being asked to convict, potentially convict this man for manslaughter and or criminally negligent homicide. that's a hard burden that they have. >> and penny still faces a potential prison sentence of up to four years in prison. if jurors find him guilty on this lesser charge. jesse. >> all right. cb, thanks very much. harold ford jr. you happen to be the only lawyer at the table, am i right? is there any other lawyer? >> harvard. katie. oh, wow. >> i don't practice, okay? >> wow. yes. >> you practice. i defer. >> i defer to i defer to kayla. i'm just a michigan guy. >> go blue. beat ohio state this big win. >> all right, we're going to go
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ivies over big ten. fine. let's go. >> okay. so here's what i think. i know a lot of people are saying, look, this first charge dismissed. right. the 15 years. this makes it easier for the second charge to go through. here's why i disagree. 12:30 p.m. on outnumbered, we had a jury note that came in, and the jury notes said that the jury wanted clarification on what a reasonable person standard is. this is why it's important. this goes to the negligence charge that one carrying for years. and they ask you, would a reasonable average person have perceived the risk to jordan nealy? well, there seems to be disagreement if they need clarification on the reasonable person. i'm hopeful there. but when you look at this, the reasonable person, there were many reasonable people on that subway train. the bystanders who thanked him, the bystanders who helped him hold down jordan nealy, the woman of color who said this. they're trying to make this about race. will a woman of color. that's how she self describes, said he is a hero. it was self-defense. he is only guilty of trying to help people. those are the
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reasonable people on the subway. this is a travesty. it's great news. the first charge is gone, but not a victory. a travesty. a good samaritan being made into a bad actor. a hero into a villain. welcome to manhattan. the only other jurisdictions that could do this were dc and la. so good job, alvin bragg, do you agree with kaylee as a michigan graduate, the characterization of michigan being less than an ivy league? >> i'm not going to accept that. >> oh, it's a swing state. >> i largely agree with with with kaylee. i come at it slightly different. i think that what the judge has done here is that there might be grounds for reversal if he's convicted of anything, because you can't go through a trial and then allow the prosecution to say, we're going to we believe that one of the charges, because the jury can't come to a conclusion, should be dismissed. i think the judge i'm going to be curious to see once we get more information about how how the judge came to this decision. two what what i don't quite understand. i've
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followed this case. i'm obviously not on a jury and have not received all of the evidence and don't have all of the things that they've they've seen. but if indeed kaylee is right, a reasonable person, if he grabbed that guy because the guy was threatening everybody and he doesn't let up or say he did let up and the guy pretended that he was down or was was suffering, and he lets up and they got stabbed. him stabbed. daniel. pennie. that's exactly right. so daniel pennie i don't know. i think it was unfair to even who had brought these charges. you make the case basically to anyone in new york and for that matter, this this is a precedent that can be cited anywhere that someone trying to protect someone on a train. i have kids, right? i have a ten year old and we live in new york city. my wife and i, we live in new york city. i take the train. and if someone if my wife and kids are on a train and someone is behaving like that, and someone steps up to protect those on the train, i'd be. as a new york taxpayer, i'd want to see that person
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prosecuted based on these facts. so michigan versus harvard, i'd say it's a tie. i agree, as we get here at 5:00 and the mayor is getting involved. >> katie, let's listen to what adams has to say. >> we've always asked new yorkers, if you see something, say something. do something. and new yorkers have always had the spirit and energy to come to their fellow new yorkers. and we have to be honest about the severe mental health crisis that we're facing. and this young man was part of that problem. he was in revolving door mental health system. >> katie. >> well, i'm glad that the mayor is defending daniel penny. this is a case that should have never been brought. in fact, it's a case that sat at the police department for nearly two weeks. but then when the social justice woke mob showed up to protest, that's when alvin bragg decided to give in to mob justice. justice and bring these bogus charges against daniel penny, who is a hero who has had to go through this for the last year of his life. it's totally changes everything when it comes to the
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consequences of this. now, nobody wants to help on the subway because it really is it really worth being made an example of in manhattan, in new york city, to have your life torn apart this way? alvin bragg has a habit of either undercharging or not, charging criminals like jordan neely, who was in and out of the system, had a long rap sheet while overcharging good samaritans and good people who want to help their fellow citizens like daniel penny. and so now you have this judge pushing this till monday, when the charges the first charge was dropped at what, 4 p.m. on a friday used to be that you would work until you were done. so now this has to sit for the weekend. they're trying to squeeze out a guilty charge on the second charge, basically saying, well, they didn't get him on the first one, so now maybe they can get him on the second one. and the consequences of this for the entire country are so far reaching in terms of what this man has been through and the people who will suffer the
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most. of course, daniel penny is one of them. but it's the people on the train who will be at risk to these criminals who will now be able to say, well, i'm not the one who's going to be charged. and in fact, people can go as a mob to the police station and to alvin bragg's office demand that good people are charged when it's clearly, obviously self-defense should have never happened and they're not going to do anything, which means there will be more innocent victims as a result of just bringing this case in the first place. >> joey jones yeah, i think this is a case where the and this is not an original idea. i was talking to a friend just before the show, and he brought it up of like, you're looking at the intent of the law versus the letter of the law. >> if you ask those same 12 jurors with the amount of evidence they've been shown today and you present it to them, you said, should we indict him, you could probably get a unanimous no, but now that you've given them the facts and you've given them this second charge, that is, i guess, ambiguous to say the least, they there may be several people there that say this guy did the right thing, but by this law and these facts, we're going to have to
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convict him. and that's that's the real travesty here, is that you have you have a charge written in such a way that you can justify it with, with less facts than you should than you should have to have more behind you there. >> i think some of the things that really hurt him is just about every witness that came up that said something the defense could use also said something the prosecution should, should, could use, like the marine combat instructor that, you know, ultimately, the question was asked, did he do it correctly? and i think he said no or he said something along the lines of he should have let up, you know, at some point. and so there may be this narrow path there to where this jury feels compelled to convict on this second charge simply because they're being asked to as opposed to are they being asked, is it right to put him in this situation to begin with? that's how that's how i see it. listen, this is not a regular citizen. this is a united states marine that our federal government paid and programed to stand up and do the right thing, even at his own detriment on the battlefield. he gets a bronze
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star for that. in new york city, he gets what, 15 to 4 years in prison. yeah. and so that just it pisses me off. but it also blows my mind. where i live in georgia, i probably could have been justified at pulling a firearm on that guy if i felt like he was coming at me at any moment. we weren't there. so we don't know if he ever made this motion. we don't know if there was ever a specific point, but if there was any point like that in my state, i'm justified to use a firearm to protect myself. and in this city, using the least lethal method, they're going to throw you in jail. i mean, it's absolutely it's horse crap is what it is. >> and i'll ask what the court has done is terrible. >> i mean, i really do think this is grounds for reversal. what this judge has done. you can't just throw everything at the spaghetti on the wall. and then when it looks, when the jury is deliberating, you're not it's not going your way. so we'll pull that one down. so the others. so again, i hope that the right thing happens here. but if it doesn't this is certainly grounds for reversal. if not and this isn't a pardonable situation right?
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the combination of that, the president changing his mind and issuing certainly led to the president changing his mind and issuing this pardon. there has been some circumstances that have changed this right. republicans not letting up, saying they won't stop. they're going to continue to do this. i mentioned the recent trump appointees of legal enforcement positions. right. that said, during the campaign, they would have they they were out for retribution and so no reason to not take them for their word. >> and look who's back. barack obama returning to the spotlight after tarnishing his legacy during the 2024 campaign, the former president sounding very bitter over what happened since total victory is impossible in a country politically split down the middle, the result is a doom loop of government gridlock. >> even greater polarization. when i mentioned to a few friends that our foundation would be hosting a forum on
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democracy and pluralism, i got more than a few groans and eye rolls, especially since as far as they were concerned, the election proved that democracy is pretty far down on people's priority list, except for everybody voted for the current president elect, but they don't care about democracy at all, right? >> of course they don't. yeah, everyone voted for 76 million people. more than that now. the most raw vote total count. that president, any president that's republican has gotten ever in history. so i'm pretty sure he has a mandate to lead. if i could just address karine jean-pierre for a second, i had about 45 problems with her briefing, but i'll just pick two of them. she also cited a poll she said the circumstances changed about the hunter biden pardon. no, they did not, they said after the plea deal they would never pardon him. the only circumstance that changed was joe biden and kamala harris losing, not becoming president, not having democrats continue in that role. then she says he decided this weekend, he
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decided this weekend, except we have nbc reporting that they discussed the pardon as far back as june and said publicly they would not do it, despite having internal turmoil. she should be livid at the president for putting her in this position and the press should be livid. but instead, like delicate little wallflowers, they sat back, allowed her to mislead them. where was the jim acosta, the kaitlan collins, the ferocious roar of the press corps? it wasn't there today because they don't do their jobs. >> so, jesse, you know, hunter biden knows way too much about the big guy to be serving any time in federal prison. it was never a question that he was getting a pardon from his dad. never. no, never. >> and if kamala had one, she was going to pardon him. that was the deal, not the circumstance that has changed that was the circumstance that had changed, is that she lost because if she had won, it would have been more graceful and more acceptable for her to do it because he could have said, hey, i said, i wasn't going to do it. she did it, and
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she would have looked like the bigger person to have mercy on him. but she lost and the other circumstance that changed was because they tried to cut a deal in the summer, which was basically a pardon. that deal that that judge sniffed out as ridiculous. that was blanket immunity. so that's also a circumstance that changed. but hunter was never going to serve time. it's obvious, but i have to talk about barack obama. hussein. sorry. he is saying that someone else has been polarizing. he was the most polarizing president almost in decades, racially polarizing. if you look at the charts in gallup, blacks and whites started hating each other, started blacks started hating the country. it just became horrible. class starts with the bitter clingers and then at the end, occupy wall street. he starts pitting rich people against poor people and back and forth. one percenters, all that stuff. we all started hating each other. and then he
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talks about weaponization, all this stuff. it was his justice department that spied on a fox news reporter. it was his cia that spied on the senate. it was his administration that spied on trump that entrapped flynn, that weaponized the federal government. so now all of a sudden, when everyone's mad that he got caught and did this, now they want to just throw a blanket. pardon? over everybody in d.c. that's not how it's done. this guy needs to look himself in the mirror. >> and it was his irs who went after tea party activists as well. bingo. so harold, does the former president, barack obama, need a mirror to see where all of this divisiveness and the doom loop came from? >> well, i'm not, i said last week, i don't think that democrats ought to be focused on listening to people who voted for kamala harris. presumably president obama did, and vice president or governor walsh, the vice presidential nominee, did. i think the real issue here is democrats should be in the first month of what i
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call a six month travel the country and listen to americans in blue and red states who didn't vote for kamala harris, who may have had some of the concerns that jesse was expressing. i don't fully agree with everything jesse said. but clearly there's an element or elements of what jesse just shared that are true. if we don't try to figure out how this upending has happened, we being democrats, the republican party is. i grew up in congress, is no longer the republican party, the democratic party that i grew up in. congress is no longer that democratic party. donald trump did. >> at least one of those is a good thing. >> well, in your mind, donald trump, i just want to just state the facts for one second. donald, donald trump did something truly amazing. you were sitting here one of those days. we had this conversation. he has made working class americans the party of donald trump. it's not the republicans, it's donald trump. and if democrats are serious about finding ways in which to resonate with that group, again, they better get an answer on the border. we better get an answer on inflation. we better get a better answer on
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how to stimulate and invigorate the economy in parts of the country that are not experiencing like we are here in new york and some of the great islands in the country where prosperity is happening. so enough of this. more of what? more of getting out and listening to voters is what democrats need to be doing. >> it doesn't seem like president biden is interested in finding this out, given that pardons to your son and then lying about it for a year doesn't really help you gain any traction with the american people who are a little tired of being told something's not happening when they're seeing it in front of their eyes. >> what did bush say? >> fool me once. shame on you. fool me twice. i don't know, you know he screwed that one up. any of us that are surprised by this from a man who spent 50 years plagiarizing and lying, who tried to, you know, i guess he couldn't run the first time for president because they found out he was plagiarizing speeches and papers from people. i mean, the man has spent his entire career doing this kind of thing. and i guess the only outrage should just be, are you guys really going to just keep accepting
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it? like as a party, as the democrat party? are you really just going to keep accepting it from your candidates and from your leaders? listen, i love to go back to what kjp said about circumstances have changed and who the president's nominating. i have no idea what the strategy was with matt gaetz. was he this really i mean, you know, outstanding playing chess trojan horse to get the ire of everybody else. was it a very serious nomination? i tend to think in the beginning it was. and what it signaled was, there are a lot of people in dc who will have donald trump's back, more so than he felt jeff sessions did. but there are only a few people who would spend their entire political collateral going after trump's enemies. and matt gaetz is one of them. and i think this shows that they understand that, that this next administration probably will have an element of, you came after me, i'm coming after you. i mean, maybe maybe the big guy will pardon himself before he leaves office, i don't know. >> hey, you never know. maybe his brother too. we'll see. up next, president elect donald trump doing his signature dance after bringing down the house
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>> we even got a golf swing there and the incoming president also giving a rousing speech outlining his ambitious second term policy goals. >> we're going to bring our country back and it's going to be bigger and better and stronger than ever before. we're going to do it again, and we have to do it again. and that's we're going to make america great again. we're going to bring prices down. we're going to make our country safe. we're going to work with the governors and the mayors, even if they're democrats. i think you have seen more happen in the last two weeks than you've seen in the last four years, and we're not even there yet. >> jesse. we were there the night was epic. starting with hannity. he hosted brilliantly. it was hilarious in the trash uniform that he came out in. but trump, trump even debuted like a slow dance to lee greenwood. it was great. >> i missed the slow dance, but i like the evolution of the ymca. he's adding a new twist to it where there's like a
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little bit of this and then the johnny carson golf swing at the end of it is just it's a nice little touch. hannity was fantastic. we've been doing these for quite some time. what is this, the sixth? the fifth? i don't even know. this might have been the best one. hannity was terrific and he looks pretty good in a tuxedo. have you ever seen hannity that dressed up? i couldn't even wrap my head around it. and then jimmy failla. yeah, brought the house down. that michelle obama joke. are they going to cut that from the rerun? because that was crazy. i was looking around oh my god, screaming. >> so it's probably fine. i don't know. >> everyone's flipping. you know, if jesse was offended by the joke, it had to be then, you know it's bad. >> yeah. you know, you made the point, joey, that it was funny. you you made the point. you were there. you presented the award. i loved seeing that, but that this was one of the first times we have seen trump since the election. >> yeah, i was i was sitting
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next to carley and sandra smith. i was asking him because, you know, they're on tv every day. i was like, hey, has he done any public comments since he won the election like this, this broadcast out and we couldn't come up with it. so maybe viewers will let us know if there is something out ther. but, you know, it was a brief speech. i mean, he spoke for like 20 minutes and danced for five of them, which was really good. he danced for the entirety of ymca, not just like an entrance and an and an out. and lee greenwood stood there and sang the entire song, looking at donald trump. and i was just thinking like, this is the only situation where two older men can look at each other with a sweet song being sung, serenaded, and it be patriotic and cool. it was a really, really amazing moment. i've had the fortune of sitting front and center and seeing all this look me in the eyes and sing me a song like any other situation. this is the weirdest stuff ever, but it just worked, you know? yes. and but for the patriot awards in general, good on fox for doing it. you know, i can't imagine it's some kind of opportunity to make money. it's a way to spend a little bit of money and tell the fans,
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thank you so much. and i really, really appreciate the fact we do it. >> i absolutely did too. look, the dance moves there was the new twist, as jesse said, and first lady melania trump this morning wanted everyone to know she was not the one that came up with the dance moves. >> watch. >> this is very special and unique dance. >> it is right. >> and i think a lot of people are copying it and everybody have fun with it. yeah. >> which part is this? how you dance? >> no, no. >> which part of the trump did you give him? >> any tips? >> like in the beginning it was low and then it was up high. >> and now there's a golf swing. >> no he's coming all on his own. >> have you ever done the trump dance. >> you are mrs. trump. >> i did not oh gosh katie, there were four no's there. >> a very diplomatic way of saying that special and unique dance. and i had nothing to do with it. everybody but everybody loves it. it's great. and he keeps adding on and you see people doing it everywhere. it's awesome. i also love what he said about the way forward, because, you know, things are happening at breakneck speed.
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he talked about how it's done more in two weeks than you've seen in the last four years. dog years are back. baby one feels like seven and dc is going to be rocking soon with everything they're doing every day, without a doubt exciting. >> you know, harold, what i love so much about the patriot awards is these really are heroes that we honor. you know, i started to tear up when i heard from stephanie diller. i just want to put up her picture. she lost her husband, jonathan diller, an nypd officer who died in the line of duty. and there's this picture of her son, ryan, one year old, pointing out to the casket of his father. and last night she was emotional. you see that picture there? what a what a hero they are. >> no, i think we, the president, deserves all the credit. he got yesterday. and it was it was his year political year. but the fox awards, the fox nation awards are really about that. what you just shared about holding up and lifting up those who have helped to make their communities better and by definition, make the country better. so my congratulations not only to fox for doing it, but for those heroes who make the country better. look, i'm wishing the president the best. i didn't vote for the president, but i'm an american
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san diego. but instead of giving kudos to the man who built more of it. newsom went on a trump bashing spree. check this out. >> we're going to start producing bananas in america. >> we're going to start producing coffee in america. >> you are being betrayed by these policies. >> and i didn't even bring up the mass deportation components of it. you know better than i do when you look at farm workers, the last estimate, roughly half are undocumented. the impacts of mass deportation on the cost of food in this state and this nation are off the charts. >> so, katie, what he was responding to there is this idea that these tariffs are going to make life harder on the farmers, and the deportations are going to take their cheap and labor away, which is also how they take advantage of people. so how does somebody that wants to lead the democrat party advocate for open borders for things that every labor union in the country would be agains? >> gavin newsom could do himself a favor right now, and
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actually reach out to donald trump, especially on the issue of illegal immigration. trump won this issue. it was a top issue for 31% of the voters. he won it by 71% among the people who cared about it the most. there's no real gap there in terms of disagreement. people want criminal aliens out of their communities, whether it's in california, new york city or kansas. and yet you have gavin newsom going and acting like he's all about legal immigration, wants to make sure we have good relations with mexico, trying to make himself relevant for 2028 while all running away from his own domestic record in california, which is the number one state for u-hauls leaving the state not going into the state, and the biggest gap between rich and poor in the country. and so he's trying to distract, trying to make himself relevant with trump when really he could just reach out to him and maybe get some things done while he has the goodwill of the people and the mandate that he has. >> jesse, he was down there advocating what he's trying to do is get the federal government under biden to do some things to make it harder for trump to secure the border. what he wants to do is build
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this port of entry down there and get the federal government to pay for it. but when he justifies it, he says, well, we're not just stopping things from coming to us. we're stopping our guns and bad things from going to them. in his mind, i guess we're the real threat. >> well, we do like drugs, joe, and that's probably what's causing all the drugs to flow into the country. so if we'd maybe kick the drugs, we'd have a better relationship with the mexicans. but that's never going to happen because we like drugs so much. but i agree with katie. after the first tariff threat, all of a sudden there's a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago, and the next day, canada strengthens their border. after the tariff threat. the next day, mexico just randomly has the biggest record seizure of fentanyl of the entire year. so it's already starting to work. now, this is what i like about tariff threats okay. amen. so you have the threat now at 25%. and so you're going to have people outside of the country probably doing what trump wants in order to get those down before he takes office, but
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also on the inside of the country. remember what happened last time there was tariff threats, and all of a sudden you get a carveout if you're steve jobs got the carve out for import duties from iphones. so you're going to have people domestically and internationally negotiating directly with donald trump to create more favorable conditions. and what this is now, it's just everything's a negotiation. if he doesn't want mass deportations, maybe we can work out a deal with guest workers for the farms because they have such a great agriculture there. maybe we work out something else where we have lower import duties on another product that is important to california, like pistachios, i don't know, i love them. don't you love how you get the pistachios without the shells? they're great. whoever came up with that deal, genius, give that guy a congressional medal of honor. >> you know, i like tariff threats because we might get additional states like canada. yes. great beaches. >> kayleigh, when we look at these threats. so democrats have to have a boogeyman. and
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after this election, there aren't many left because american people really sided with president trump and his policies. so, right now they're using, i guess, what is the best thing they have, which is a fear tactic against tariffs that even trump himself himself said probably won't go into effect. is this really the best strategy they can employ right now? >> it is for gavin newsom, and here's why. gavin newsom is not trying to heal the democratic party right now. gavin newsom is trying to win a primary in 2028. he's running hard left. he knows he needs to win over the aoc's in a primary. it's always better to be either further on the left or further on the right in your respective party. so he's saying he wants 798 million. look at that for a port of entry. when to katie's point, the nation voted on deportation. you know he's calling special legislative sessions. he's asking for money to oppose trump. that is his sole mission is gavin newsom. it is not the broader party. the broader party needs to have a holistic look, see that what trump did work and shift the entire core of the democratic party, because the conscience and core of the party lost. >> harold, you're a democrat. is that what you want to see?
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do you want to see gavin newsom in 2028 with this hard left for the next four years, leading the resistance, pushing back on trump policies and finding himself at the helm that way, i want to see democrats pushing back on things that don't work and working with republicans with things on things that do work. >> i think that we shouldn't mistake what happened. voters made a basic calculation, as they do in presidential races. who is going to make my life better and stronger? they ignored all of the rhetoric. the fascists, the hitler, all that kind of craziness that was out there and said, we believe that donald trump is going to make the border safer. he's going to lower prices. he's going to keep little boys out of little girls bathrooms and sports, and he's going to make america and our nation stronger again, or stronger. and whether you agree with that or not, that's what voters made a decision on. so for gavin newsom and others, i understand what he's trying to do here, and i understand what he's trying to say about tariffs. i think tariff policy, if you go through with it and i think jesse said it right, the threats of it are better if you
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go through with it. at no point in history have we engaged in a tariff war on anybody. one certainly not the middle class and those struggling to get into the middle class, let alone stay in it. but i'm going to give the president the benefit of the doubt, as i do a lot of people. we'll see what happens because arithmetic, if you go through with tariffs, the arithmetic is not good for everyday americans. and that basic calculation voters may they may they may reverse on. now, you asked me a basic question. i'd be doing a little bit more what kayleigh said. i'd be trying to work with the president and pushing back on those things, and allowed constructive and meaningful way on the things that don't work. so he's got a little time. >> he called trump and trump wouldn't take his call. >> what he said trump loves yo. he said, no. >> trump took my call. he no, no, no, no. >> i'm saying i'm saying gavin. >> gavin called trump and he can't get ahold of him. >> he could just go there. there are airplanes. >> listen, i just got to say this on tariffs. the party that told us $5 a gallon gas was okay to save the planet can sit it out on tariffs to secure the border. >> well you say that to the voters that voted for you. you
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>> new orleans, welcome back. should grown men be taking bubble baths? something i thought i'd never say. trump aide stephen miller telling jesse that trump will ban federal employees from doing business in the bathtub after it was learned that a manager at the veterans affairs department allegedly took a picture of himself doing business in a bubble bath and calling it, quote, my office for the next hour. watch this. grown men should not be taking bubble baths, and they certainly should not be doing their work from home in a bubble bath. during the break, we were chatting about this. you have thoughts about a strong opinion about the first opinion is man, that's some hard hitting news on water. >> i'm saying like i need to tune in more often. i'll learn a thing or two, you know? no, that was good. listen, i think getting in like a spa or a hot tub is good for you. if you don't own one, then getting in a bubble bath is just fine. i think the rest of that sentence is while you're working like
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and you. but really the sentence is why would you take a picture of yourself? that's where it gets weird. >> your name was invoked, mr. waters. you want to respond? >> well, i disagree strongly with what joey just said. there is under no conditions. grown men should take bubble baths, especially alone. now, the only exception is that if a woman invites you in the bubble bath, there you go. personally, that's not my thing. i don't think that's that sexy. but if she really wants to, i'm in. >> i want to make sure there's a hard transition before. kayleigh, what are your thoughts about this? not on the heels of that. >> my thoughts were i was on jesse's show three nights ago, and he talked about government at the va. and then the next night he's putting stephen miller in a bubble bath in my mind. thank you jesse. these images will not flee. >> stephen miller does not take bubble baths. he says ice cold showers only. >> okay. thank you. >> katie, what are your thoughts about this? >> that photo he posted was cutting it real close with an almost being worse than it already was in the bathtub. and that's a leg. >> that's a leg right there. >> pretty close call there with where the photo is. do you
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really can't find another time of the day to take a bubble bath? you have to do it in the middle of the work day at taxpayers expense. like fire. this guy immediately. it's ridiculous. >> harold, when's the last bubble bath you took? >> i was ten, i think. i agree with jesse. we don't agree often, but on this one, grown men should not be taking bubble baths. one more thing is up next. you only need a roof when it's raining. >> you only need a fire. was cold. you only need a drink when the whiskey is the only thing. >> sore throat got your tongue? >> mucinex institute. sore throat, medicated drops uniquely formulated for rapid relief that lasts and lasts. that's my baby. >> try our new sugar free cough drop. insta soothe. >> when i was younger, my calling was to play football. but as i grew older, i realized life isn't about how many people you can knock down, it's about how many people you can lift up at ram. >> our calling is to build game
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his moment in our nation's nation's history. way to go, ernie. >> awesome. all right, so you know how the trombonist always tries to steal the show? you can't trust these guys. they're always totally out of control. look at this wedding. okay, this guy is at a wedding. it's in new jersey, so obviously everyone's had a lot to drink already. trombonist just starts going nuts, right? like you invite this trombonist to the wedding. you think he's just going to be classy? but look what he does. he's thrusting his pelvis. he's he's he's riding the trombone a lot. god, jesse. you guys, this is not m. >> jesse. like you say, you love drugs in this country. we do love drugs in this country. >> thanks, mexico. and tonight, jesse watters primetime. we actually got to the bottom of these mysterious drones in new jersey. we'll have the answer tonight at eight. >> katie p okay, so the good folks at hook and barrel magazine did a feature on my fox nation series, luxury hunting lodges of america. so they talked to me about all the places we've gone, mostly over the last season, the third season, but of the first two
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>> it is so i wanted to highlight mia penny. she's 14 years old. she joined the cheerleading team, but her dad, who's a boxing coach, was apprehensive, didn't know if she'd have time to focus on boxing. >> look at that. >> she took this video of her shadow boxing on the sidelines. it went viral. wow, she said, i just kept putting god first, showing up every day. and that was the result. and she wants to go to the olympics. so i hope it happens and check out katie's specials. my husband loves them. >> that's the best dad. >> i like the best dad. >> he needs a fox nation. >> he's keeping the football players away. >> why don't you pray they're not on the other side of those punches. i've been putting god first. >> exactly. yeah. >> getting punched by a girl. never a good look. >> yeah. >> has never happened to me. and this. and i would turn the other cheek if it had. good move, i promise. >> go blue, go blue, go crimson. >> right. go, dawgs. ♪ ♪
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