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mark: hello america i am mark levin this is "life, liberty & levin"'s end date. thank you for being here. we appreciate it. i cannot get this pardon thing out of my mind these preemptive pardons or prospective pardons in the corrupted biden regime where the family and the whole cabal are. and so i want to go back and remind you folks why they might be just a little nervous. why they might be just a little nervous. why would they be nervous? after all they are a law-abiding regime. they played by the numbers are. they follow the rule of law. everything they did was legit. where are they worried? otilia why they are worried nc most corrupt evil administration if not in american history certainly one of them. right of the box soon after

donald trump it right after the box they were talking and impeachment. i remember this in the media and the democrat party. when he was coming down the elevator, right out of the box they go after on burisma, why? we know why they had to cover for the big guy mr. 10%. they impeach him over perfectly legitimate phone call. and, while he is out of office we have another senate impeachment trial over generally sixth. another phony fraud effort. to damage and destroy donald trump. and thin the meantime during twd half years of his presidency that concocted the russia collision scandal. the scandal is a scandal of barack obama, of joe biden, of james comey, the intel industry in washington d.c. trump was set up from day one. set up by the department of justice for the fbi, the president and vice president among others. and so they had a special

counsel. so special hate to mention my humble opinion the way the president did. at long criminal investigation subpoenas and leaks, congressional over and over to try to derail this president. they have subpoenas, sipping us going out to the family over and over again. hopes come onto the next thing. this was always a plan the "new york times," here we go september 13, 2019 democrats the majority per investigation onslaught from day one. look at this. house democrats increasingly optimistic they win back control in november. mining eight mountain in preparation for a onslaught of hearing subpoenas and investigations. that's just the first run on sentence of the first paragraph that will be the "new york times." the oversight committee had 50

subpoena requests ready to go the intelligence committee the judiciary committee trumps a business and profits were all set. what else? continuing investigation of potential campaign violations and the list went on and on and on it ensnared him, his family, staff, his friends, took an enormous amount of time. and that was the goal. and then later there is a corrupt generally sixth in the every member chosen by pelosi including the reprobate republicans. the soviet soviet south stage sw trial. disfavored testimony and information. while the usual leaks and documentary on electronic evidence why do you destroy it

is a cover up. it is obstruction it's a cover up. promises able to do these things are committee recommended mom at what out the back door charging donald trump with obstruction of an official proceeding. conspiracy to make a false statement attempts to incite, aid eight instruction per the committee help them on contempt that within a prosecutor by the biden regime and sent to federal prison. the good stuff is yet to come donald trump leaves office we may be able to run for president again. look at this. falsifying business records new

york supreme court this would be in alvin bragg. that legal community in my humble opinion. march 30, 202334 indictments. soon to follow june 8, 2023 the feds jumped in the so-called documents case. that dust off the presidential at the espionage act to imprisod presently is 2200 political opponents. he still ran for prison. so he figured we will get donald trump. that was followed up in my view an unconstitutional general warrant, an a horrendous swat tm invasion and donald trump's home in mar-a-lago. going through their personal

property and their drawers including the former first ladies it was a grotesque act that was utterly and completely unnecessary. all of the legal pendants including many here, this is a slam dunk case. i think to myself that these people ever litigate a slam dunk case? so we stood here on "life, liberty & levin" said it is no slam dunk case this is an outrageous case. but nonetheless, only 48 charges by the unconstitutional prosecutor jack smith the effort to overturn an election, you are allowed to challenge an election if you challenge it and when you have over turned what claim to be an election that is not a crime but we have never criminalized challenges to election. we have never criminalize a second slate said it we've never criticized or criminalized efforts to influence secretary

of state or a speaker of the house. this goes on all the time. we decided we're going to criminalize it we meeting they, the biden regime. so what did they do august 1, 2023 less than two months after the first federal grouping of indictments, for more charges. this time the clute ku klux klan act of 1871, that is relevant even more the obstruction act passed to deal with enron -type activities the supreme court has since held that does not apply but that used what they needed. we will grab this. they use that on two charges. and of course a federal contractor, state law for federal contractors who violate the contracts from the dust of that went no insurrection while i mentiimagine that. for charges there. they had a great judge they had an obama judge who did virtually every single thing the biden

regime wanted her to do. then we have the atlantic case. keep in min mind entities are connected no, no, no. just because of the any willis was love at which the white house twice and met with somebody in a white house counsel's office he could not remember what they meant. there is so much to remember. i am so busy. how do i remember it when i spoke to the white house counsel's office on two occasions and bothered to take a trip to washington d.c.? bad memory over there at the white house. to overturn presidential election fulton county. wow there we have another charges. we have ada charges, 90, 93, it against donald trump in four different jurisdictions. not to be outdone september 2022 a little earlier letitia james she is obsessed with donald trump. obsessed. a lot of times you need to get a court order to stop somebody

like that hanging around, chasing you, focused on you but that is leticia what is she do? she had another clown for a judge. they teamed up and work together to try to steal donald trump's money, his properties and anything else they could. it is amazing. there's anoththis other statutee statute of limitation we have a statute with the statute of limitations did not apply. we had three charges in his trump in washington d.c. on charges that are preposterous and that we have the presidential records act and the espionage act never using as a formant sitting president but this time are going to use it against hi temperance and the st team in, get what we need to get. while part donald trump very freedom was at stake if we had not won this election they would still be pursuing him trying to put men federal prison. think about this. they were stealing his finances, has private property.

they were attacking his family with hundreds of subpoenas and testimony and the swat teams. the militarization of the fbi the same fbi that went after trum so, now we are told might there be retribution? yes, yes, yes. donald trump is against democracy. we here, we are all for democracy we are four elections, let the majority when booth got to tone it down excuse me you unleashed -- the fbi, the cia, federal prosecutors, the entire department of justice, local prosecutors, local courts, you did everything criminally, civilly, impeachment, special counsel, you threw everything mthrough everythingmore than th. you through the whole toilet bowl everything you had. and now it donald trump a one

because the american people said not only do we find him not guilty, we find you guilty. we have had near enough of this. the whole thing blew up in their faces. and now they are worried about kash patel as the nominee for the fbi. kash patel wrote about going after people who conducted themselves in certain ways. we cannot haven't fbi director excuse me, we just did. we had a senior fbi targeting people we had it going on and our intelligence agencies we had it coming out of the white house. every pore of the federal bureaucracy is coming out. trump is not even sworn and yet he'is not god's nominees confird we need preemptive pardons. prospective pardoned.

richard nixon, i would say that the one offered general ford said tha you know what? oversee charges brought against richard nixon. he gives them one of these pardons. jimmy carter gave such a pardon to draft dodgers way back when george washington gave it to a group of people who he thought were sort of militia and so forth those are the three cases they pointed to. but, when you read about what joe biden and his staff are thinking about an politico and other phony news sites they regurgitate and slobber all over the democratic party that is not what they are planning. they are not planning on uniting the country they're not we need

to give preemptive pardons to individuals who stood with us. whether they be republicans or so-called republicans like liz cheney or they be democrats. we need to protect these people. what would donald trump do? donald trump and kash patel point due to them will we did. what we did to trump and bannon and navarro and stone, to trump's family, to trump's and businesses, we cannot have it trump and his people doing to us what we did to them. and by the way, these are the same people that said if donald trump is elected we are going to have a dictatorship. does it sound like we are going to have a dictatorship under donald trump? doesn't sound more like we have an ongoing dictatorship of joe

biden? let me give you my take on this. the biden regime has done more to destroy the rule of law and our constitutional order ain't against a political opponents most prominently of course donald trump. for the empowerment of the party and the empowerment of joe biden any past administration we can think of. a preemptive pardons orpreemptir perspective pardons corrupt the language imagine the following. for any and all possible future it's a biden is talking about like he did with his son to cover his own corrupt to kiss. think about this than the president has effectively immunize himself from all critical exposure of any kind including x personal including when he leaves office. i am completely confounded

breath at the biden regime the democrats their academics, and the three musketeers on the supreme court the leftists were very upset the court ruled the president has limited immunity related to his official acts. but not for purely personal acts. oh my god, trump is above the law he would ordered the murder of someone. not the brightest of the bulbs may i say. what's being discussed by the biden regime is truly a president could indeed with his own signature immunized himself from all federal offenses into the future including when he is no longer president. and certainly private offenses. what would stop him? the supreme court, maybe. but the pardon power is as general as it gets. there are some supreme court decisions that seek to trim it. but not in a significant way.

the court would have to come up with its own test and rationale. not one that currently exist in the law and attempt to draw lines and create limits were none exist. or imagine a president handing out such pardons for all of his family members, just in case. his friends, and his administration officials, his donors, his political allies. to some extent that's what we are reading in the media. or a large number of cronies again, what would be the limiting factors months as tierney is unleashed? because that is what we are talking about. notice this is been a pattern cut the biden machines at termmm constantly usurping unconstitutional norms followed by litigation and court decisions. but let me throw it out there. at bideif biden performs some kf systemic so-called preemptive pardons, met with the kind of exceptional cases of washington or ford, which was not systemic.

or jimmy carter, he needs to be impeached i am not excited about impeaching right now and the spectacle because the republicans seem to advance their agenda. they need to go on offense. we are taught about the constitution of the united states now. this would create a precedent of a kind that we have never seen an american history by any party or any president before. so it would depend on how many virtuous members are in the house of representatives because it is very close to her on whether or not it would occur. but he be convicted in the senate? no you need a super majority. but, you need to make the case. you know to show body politic does not support this even if certain members of the house and the senate do. you need to push back against tyranny that is unleashed of this sort in my view. and so the question is would congress do that? i don't know ed might depend on

how severe the preemptive pardon is. finally a word i want to repeat what i said on the last evening show. no pardon for joe biden -- check for donald trump from joe biden he would do that to give cover to all of the things that he is doing pardoning his son which is really pardon for himself he's going to say see, i parted donald trump. donald trump did not commit any crimes i don't care what they said in manhattan but soviet style show trial is not legitimate a judge is not legitimate, the prosecution is not legitimate the jury is not legitimate that was a contempt of court wrote a pretend courtroom with a pretend prosecutor, pretend judge and pretend laws. that is what it was. he does not need a pardon from joe biden who would use it in order to defend everything he is doing but that's a people in his own party or single parted donald trump us not because they like to pardon trump they are trying to cover for biden. and by the way her course of

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. mark: welcome back america. some of the best nominees in presideandpresident trump is pud are called controversy built. which you would expect from a reprobate media and this devilish meant ruling class. kash patel's been as the fbi john bolton discredited former national security adviser. now the useful idiot for the left-wing press. he called the appointment nominated cash patel to be his a barrier. that was a mass murderer first all in. i want to remind some of you folks because the media will not, cash patel carried on many dangerous missions when he worked for president trump. in the middle east in an effort to bring home u.s. hostages deputy assistant presideputy asp senior director for counterterrorism was involved in

the number presidential commissions aimed at decimating al qaeda and isis. planning the mission to take out al-baghdadi. he was also involved to bring the most wanted terrorist to the u.s. for prosecution. he went on a secret trip or he could have been kidnapped and murdered to syria to negotiate for the for the release of individuals and in dealing with isis and al qaeda that i could go on and on about his record. his heavily involved in u.s. strategy for the communist chinese, the fetishistic russians, the nazi enriched uranium regime. and, before joining the trump administration he worked for a good old friend of ours, former chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nunes who is here with me now. chairman, john bolton compares kash patel to beria when he has a record like this? you had a personal substantive

constant interaction with kash patel tell america about kash patel if you would. >> thank you mark it's great to be back on with you. i'm glad you're doing so well. when you see people attacking you, that means you are right over the target and that is why they're going after kash patel. you may remember it not a lot people talk about this in the media but he was a d.o.j. prosecutor before he came to work for the united states congress. we recruited him away from the department of justice because we needed someone that knew how d.o.j. and fbi with they were doing to create the whole russia hoax and of course as our lead investigator we uncovered something no one thought was even a possum on the biggest hoaxes in american history, kash patel was at the heart of that. and he paid a heavy price he paid a personal price and a lot of people do not realize this, but when we investigated d.o.j. and fbi at the time for their involvement in the russia hoax what did they do? they turned and got subpoenas secretly against kash patel.

against a lot of my former staff including senator grassley staff who were doing what? they were actually doing their job. providing oversight looking over the d.o.j. and the fbi what was they were bored? they got subpoenaed to they could turn around reverse spy on what congress was doing to make look at their malfeasance. cash has a tremendous not only ability he has a strong track record the fbi, you know this your listeners know this your audience knows this the fbi has to be reformed. they have to get out of politics get back into doing things he is good at. which is going after terrorist, going after criminals that we know i think we are at some all time record high activity in this country. mark: isn't that why, mr. chairman, they are out to destroy kash patel? they don't really know him. they go through his books. they go through articles. they waved them around they don't really know this man what

a patriot this man is the history of this man but they know the fact they like the way the fbi is particularly democrats the fbi's done their bidding. you have a lot of entrenched republicans. they are comfortable with the fbi after all the fbi does not bother them. when they need something they'll get information from the fbi. isn't that really what is going on? kash patel is a reformer use things at the fbi the entrenched rule classes now him to do he knows how they do it how the d.o.j. the fbi corrupted the whole place. that is the advantage she has. that is why they do not want him in there. i will go furthermore, this it brings an important component i don't think we've had in fbi director before. kash is served at the beginning of his career on the other side he served as a public defender defending criminals against the fbi. against law enforcement agencies

we transfer from a public defender that into the d.o.j. as a prosecutor. at a time we need people to understand both sides of the issue of we are going to restore the fbi and the department of justice in this country again where justice should be blind that is how it was set up by the founders of this country. and, if you do not have a solid reliable system your whole country falls apart. if it was not for president trump winning the country just about fell apart. what started with the russia hoax back in the day, campaign gimmick to try to falsely accuse a trump of dealing with russia and republican ceil republicansh russia, ended up you talk about all the time but do we need to talk about how they targeted supreme court justices? targeted catholics, targeted president trump. went through mar-a-lago.

did multiple targeting republicans across the board and still never leaving the russia hoax alone" fall including getting involved in last election in 2020 with the whole hoax on the 51 spies who lie that hunter biden's laptop was just russian disinformation. that's what has to be cleaned up permanently. mark: and we come back there's another reason they do not want to be the fbi director. we will be right back.

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levin." ♪. mark: welcome back america. we here at devin nunes former chairman of the house intelligence committee and current ceo of truth social that's a heck of a site you guys are going to blockbusters. i use it all my time on a post there all the time myself on truth social. but come isn't there another reason, devin nunes, they cannot oblige kash patel? isn't that because he sat in that fateful meeting with president trump, and the acting secretary of defense, and the head of the joint chiefs went president trump himself brought up the issue of the national guard and generally sits on his own. he said maybe we should ask if they want the national guard but let's get the national got the inspector general the defense of arm and said yes. kash patel as well as a former

secretary of defense said yes, that is exactly what donald trump said he doesn't this get the whole lie of the insurrection that he is leading? isn't that another reason they figured they've got the stuff i get hit with a pillow? >> doesn't also include we've talked about in your monologue with the fake news a political story about how these apartments need to go out to schiff and cheney and all these people why would they bring that up? i think you hit the nail on the head. they hid that information from the american public they destroyed that evidence, they did not at that evidence come out including testimony of kash patel they did not release until the very end after all the prosecution in january 6 because everyone including my self knows a top republican on the time and that morning and day before it leading up to generally six. he knew the capitol is not protected the capitol police note, pelosi know, they all knew it was a massive cover-up you bring up a very good point there

must be a lot of criminality that a kurd between the phony january 6 committee that congress commissioned that i was therefore that did not involve any real republicans on it. the fact they are leaking out these people are going to be pardoned. i was like a while? that is new or they must know something really happened and you are right over the target they do not want the truth to come out because they have mistreated. these are nothing more than political prisoners. that is what is going on here. i said from the very beginning anyone who broke a window, broke into the capitol using the hammers, that is destroying federal property and you should be prosecuted. but you know what? i think only a handful of this people been prosecuted. in the meantime the fbi's been going all around the country bread and as a matter fact and ran iniraninto people all over s country who have said i got a visit from the fbi i was not even at the capitol in january 6 and i got a visit. i hear this over and over and

over again. the other thing that i think is an important point for the last eight years i have never had an fbi agent come up to me and say you were doing the wrong thing. in fact i've had the office that included recently as last week i was at dinner, retired fbi agent comes up to me and says boy i sure hope kash patel gets in there all of th the former and t fbi officials who are out there trying to do their job do not want the fbi to continue the way it is and i believe they want kash patel. it's the people in washington d.c. and new york who do not let cash for itself because why? that's where the polymerization of the fbi the department does have occurred for not telling the last eight years it's really probably back about 20 years if you remember scooter libby in that fiasco they were targeting republicans back in the day then. they got away with it and got worse and worse and worse. they are so afraid of somebody like kash patel who is not a new

york d.c. in side who wants to get in there and do the job is why they are resisting him. i've talked to senators who did not note cash i think he's going get overwhelming support. quick sooner or roll call vote for him we want to know where these people stand so we the people can make determinations on how we will conduct ourselves. that is one 100% sure. like you i work with many former fbi senior officials when his chief of staff to attorney general mason almost they are disgusted with what is happened to the fbi specially during the obama/biden periods a. and they want change too. devin nunes i want to thank you for everything you've done. everything you are doing. if got to have you back more often print god bless you my friend and have a great holiday. quick sing to you, mark, thank

mark: welcome back america. or wilma through american law professors jonathan turley. washington university law professors were a fantastic book. i studied the self i learned a whole lot from at the indispensable right free speech in an age of rage. perfect topic here jonathan turley. he wrote a piece called pardon anand the preemptive imparted we know it has been used we can all do the research. it was used once pretty much a by washington and situation. it was used by ford in a very unusual situation for ease by carter in an unusual situation. that's pretty much about it. preemptive pardons for political friends political allies or people like this that's biden's staff and say we ought to also give want to trump to you smell a rat here, don't you? >> i do part f prefer saul a par trump would be the most hostile

pardon ever issued trump does not meet a part in the case is against him have collapsed. even though they were not dismissed with prejudice it is extremely unlikely they could ever be resuscitated and so to give him a pardon for effectively dead federal cases would be to send this message he is still at risk. it would fulfill the narrative but the fact is he is not at risk in those cases it would not have any impact on the state cases where he still has some on going litigation. but those cases are also pretty dubious and are not doing that well. mark: what is this all the sudden they're leaking it to that media they are looking at preemption's and they start to give us names, liz cheney and i am thinking to myself you are going to hand out pardons like a lollipop's about crimes that have not been charged or even been discussed?

your theory about this is they are going to do some of this, if not too much of this. we were waving around the flag of a democracy donald trump is not a threat to democracy. you make your point. >> that is part of the dilemma for many democrats. they spent the last year think this will be the last election democracy is about to collapse trump is going to literally round up people and send them into camps. he let people in msnbc, various news channels saying we will be on the list. that's going to be rather embarrassing at that does not happen if democracy does not die you are in a real dilemma. the best way to get the narrative alive is to get massive it sweeping a pardon so you could say fortunately joe biden issued what you call a white knight pardon he came down and protected whole categories of people. some of these individuals are

calling for literally thousands of a pardons by category, not even by name. the whole idea is to keep that narrative alive. if it had not been for the white knight pardons we always been laid to waste a bite someone and one of them called a maniac coming into office. so, it is clear there is a political value to this. the harm it would do is considerable as you mentioned. this would not be in any way in line with the previous pardons. it's the same way and the efforts make the hunter biden article look ethical. it was laughable. the fact is you've got a couple of people who made up pardons for presidential children never occurred in order to say this nothing to see here. well, there is a lot to see here are the closest you could come and the hunter biden pardon is where they've tak they'd taken e

language. ford was not implicated in nixon's wrongdoing. joe biden is he just gave a pardon for anything that occurred in a 10 year period which is twice as long as the nixon pardon and that goes all the way back to when he was vice president. so, that period is quite considerable it covers everything from money laundering to murder. it is that broad scope that happens to be crimes influence with the peddling scandal which many believe the president himself lied repeatedly to the public and did have involvement. mark: and we come back jonathan turley we had the supreme court case on immunity. think they ruled correct bid three justices and said oh my goodness, donald trump could order somebody murdered, what would stop him? that is so ridiculous as we are trying but official act. but all of that said preemptive

pardon, it doesn't a preemptive pardon give the subject of the preemptive part at the president pardons himself and gives himself a preemptive pardon? isn't that like immunity in the extreme? when we come back i want to pursue that with

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♪ ♪. mark: welcome back america. we are at professor jonathan turley. i am just asking this question. what are the limits to this if you start handing out preemptive up pardons like lollipops, what are the limits to this with respect to a president doing this sort of thing potential even for himself? >> i think you are right about that. it will be replicated if you turn pardons into a type of party favor that you just hand out, they become something of a status symbol. the only people who i think will be more crestfallen for not being prosecuted who are those who would not be part and you would have to be on that list if you're going to be anyone in washington d.c. you can have presidents for example give themselves self pardons at the end of any term to make sure they're not pursued to hand out pardons to their associates. that's not going to be good for the country we have a legal system that protects the rights

of those accused if there is a basis for criminal charges, most of the public would like to see those charges pursued. but, there is no evidence at all that donald trump is going to be frog marching thousands of people into camps, in a campaign of revenge. but that is not the point. the point is to pardon as many people as possible so you can say we were right all along. fortunately biden prevented it from campaign vengeance. mark: as you have pointed out other people have pointed out your subject to congressional hearings the potential crimes depending upon how you behave during those hearings, correct? what's that is right this is not give the protection and many of these people may assume. if they get pulled in front of congress may have trouble invoking the fifth because they are not at risk. but, at the end of the day if you give false statements to federal investigator or congress you could be subject to a new criminal charge outside the

scope of any prior pardon. mark: jonathan turley we appreciate it. isn't it odd all these constitutional issues that have come up in the last four years about immunity and the timing? it's because of this administration has really pushed the edge of the envelope all over the place. you agree with me on that question across the business has been good for constitutional scholars is not a good thing. >> thank you very much we appreciate it. god bless you my friend. >> thank you so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses

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>> welcome back america, september 2022 when people were debating what took place in front of the wilmington federal judge in the sweetheart deal, they were getting into the weeds and the particulars, i said that does not matter, joe biden will pardon his son and i said he will pardon his son to cover himself.

i want to make something very, very clear. if joe biden begins to systemically use preemptive pardons for political purposes really having nothing to do with uniting the country or the benefit of the country but as joe biden does for himself and his party, he must be impeached. understand the difficulty of doing that and i understand he won't be convicted ultimately in the senate but we as a body politic cannot tolerate what is truly a mobster/dictator on the way out the door. he did enough damage to this country and enough damage to our constitution. enough is enough, that's the only tool the framers have provided us. i will see you next time on life rudy and the