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i thought he was kidding, when the shooter, i'm assuming was the shooter, who they made the arrest on, came in, he made a comment, that looks like the shooter from new york. i thought it was more of a joke. and we were kidding about it. but then, as it turned out, it was him. >> we were able to pretty much find where he was at in the restaurant, and as soon as he pulled, he was wearing a blue medical mask, as soon as he pulled that down or we asked them to pull that down, the and my partner and i recognized him immediately. we just didn't even think twice about it, we knew that was our guy. it feels good to get a guy like that off the street. >> sandra: wow, that was the rookie police officer who apprehended luigi mangione in altoona, pennsylvania. at this hour we are waiting in extra vision hearing for the 26-year-argewi murdering the ceo of

unitedhealthcare. can you imagine the moment for him and his partner when they said wait a second, holy cow, this is that guy, and thank goodness for those officers. hello and welcome, everyone, sandra smith in new york. good to be with you, john. >> john: all the restaurants and all the towns in all the world, he had to walk into that one, so the officer nabbed him. i'm john john roberts in washington. this is between nine. luigi mangione he is facing a slew of charges encoding second-degree murder and two counts of possession of a loaded firearm. investigators say the weapon he had on him was similar to the one used to kill brian thompson, known as a ghost gun, and police it could have been built in part by using a 3d printer. >> sandra: we are former fbi special agent nicole parker on deck to react as we learn more about mangione's background. his education and possible motive. >> john: but first a bryan llenas outside the blair county courthouse in hollidaysburg pennsylvania. bryan, how soon could the suspect be on his way back to the empire state? >> john, good afternoon.

theoretically it could happen as soon as today but a lot of this is going to depend on the 26-year-old suspect luigi mangione and what happens and what he says today at 1:30 p.m. at his extradition hearing here at the blair county criminal courthouse behind me because if he decides to fight that extradition, it could take an additional 45 days just for processing, up to 45 days to extradite him to new york city to face those murder charges. if he does not decide to fight this, well, ultimately the timing will be up to the district attorney. it is interesting to note, guys, that luigi mangione does not have legal representation. he spoke yesterday on his own behalf inside the court. we could very well see the same thing here today. now fox news digital was the first to get these new mug shot photos of mangione, who is being held without bail in the huntington state correctional facility since yesterday. he is being held on charges of

possession of an unlicensed firearm, forgery, and providing false identification, all unrelated charges to the murder of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. now new york city has issued a warrant for mangione's arrest for murdering thompson, as well as for four other charges, including the criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a forged instrument. now this is we are learning more about that arrest at the now-famous altoona mcdonald's yesterday, these new images show mangione eating a hash brown in the back of that mcdonald's yesterday morning, looking at a laptop and wearing a blue medical mask. the eyewitness, larry, you guy just played sound from them, he said he was just having a coffee at mcdonald's with his friend when his friend noticed mangione's backpack and his jacket, and literally said, hey, isn't that the guy from new york? a customer went to an employee and mcdonald's, who ended up calling 911. now when police arrived, mangione gave them and showed

them a new jersey fake i.d., which happens to be the same fake i.d. that was given to a hostile worker in new york city, who they believe was the main suspect of the brian thompson murder. now he also had the 33 deprinted pistol, 3d printed silencer, $10,000 cash, and a faraday bag known for blocking electronic signals. the rookie officer tyler fry who made that arrest, the police department as well as that mcdonald's have all received threats since yesterday. pennsylvania's governor josh shapiro blasting those online who are praising mangione. >> in some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. hear me on this, he is no hero. the real hero in this story is the person who called 911 at mcdonald's this morning.

>> mangione spoke, like i said, at quart last night, and he said about the money, he had no idea where it came from, even suggested that it was planted, and when it came to that faraday bag, he said there was no criminal conspiracy. he said the bag was simple he waterproofed. we will see what else he has to say in just a few minutes. john? >> john: looking forward to that end coverage of it. bryan llenas for us, thank you. >> sandra: let's bring in nicole parker, former fbi special agent and fox news contributor. nicole, thank you very much for being here. you and i spoke yesterday as the story was breaking and as we learned of his apprehension. you had a chance to dig through more of the details, many of which bryan just laid out for us. what strikes you in this moment as we see this progress? >> well, going back to our conversation we had yesterday, this individual obviously, his family, we weren't aware but he comes from a very prominent and wealthy family, he has a very strong pedigree, an ivy league

background, valedictorian of his high school, i can imagine that a family member probably did see him and probably was flabbergasted, and i know they put out a statement saying they are absolutely devastated and shocked. they probably hoped they could take care of this and not have to report their own son, their own brother to law enforcement, not make a huge spectacle of it, but you know what? he is in custody, thank goodness to this individual at the mcdonald's for speaking up. when you see something, you say something. but as an investigator, this is a treasure trove of information that has come out in the last 24 hours. i specifically, you know, we keep talking about did he have a coconspirator? i would like to know who was he talking to on the phone, the burner phone he had prior to the shooting? i understand he may have made a phone call, if so, who was he talking to? that laptop at the mcdonald's, what was he looking at? who is he communicating with? what was he looking up? those are the types of things i would like to know, and all of the family members and loved ones that are saying, this

individual, we knew him, he was very strong socially, he was involved in sports and athletics and fraternities, how did he ever go off the rails? but was very telling, he went off the grid six months ago. not even his family could find him. no one could communicate with him. they were concerned. that is when i believe he was planning this awful, tragedy that occurred with brian thompson. i believe that he hand-selected him as his victim. that goes a lot back to the motive. and he was not going to be stopped. >> sandra: okay, if the phone call turns out went to a parent, a cousin, the maryland delegate, it could have been anybody, a friend, a colleague who knew he was on the run but didn't report him, are there legal repercussions for that? he could have gone on to carry out another murder or another crime. >> that's something that they are really going to need to look closely into. from what i understand, even tracking down that phone and getting into the phone to determine who he had spoken to fight be tough for law enforcement but i have no doubt the nypd will make it

happen along with help if necessary. if you are aiding and abetting someone who has committed a crime, you better watch your back because you have to cooperate with law enforcement, and you cannot be helping someone who is on the run, who has just murdered somebody. so that is a great question, and i guarantee they will get to the bottom of it, but this manifesto, as i have read even what is online from it, it is very chilling. it is all most like a confession. was interesting about this individual commits most like he wanted to get caught. he had the shell casings, words written on them, a very clear message. his point here, he didn't do it in the middle of minnesota, he did it in new york city on the largest platform in the world, new york city, he wanted this to be known, he wanted the message to be sent loud and clear, and you know what, tragically, there has been a message sent loud and clear, that they will be looking into everything, from his social media accounts leading up to what occurred, when he went off the grid, how he was communicating, who he was communicating with. it is startling to say, when he was caught with $8,000 in u.s. currency in his bag, i don't

know where the money came from. absolutely you didn't know where the money came from. but on the flip side, he plays dumb, but on the flip side he has a manifesto that he addresses the feds, interest income he addresses the feds, hey, i acted alone and he didn't like there was an inverse correlation between unitedhealthcare's market share and life expectancy come he didn't like that corporate america was taking advantage of americans, he had had enough, so that really is his grievance, and that is going to be helping a lot with the investigators looking toward the motive. >> sandra: to your point that maybe he did want to get caught, it's not like he went and got his mcdonald's and got his food and left, he sat down and ate it in the restaurant. real quickly, as we wrap this up, this was the statement from the family, and it came through the maryland delegate, who is a cousin of his, nino, we only know what we are read in the media. our family is shocked and devastated by luigi's arrest, or thoughts and prayers to the family of brian thompson, pray for all involved, we are devastated by this news. on the manifesto, and i will finish up with this, this is

joseph kennedy -- kenny, he is in nypd chief of detectives, and he said this about that handwritten document. >> i had an opportunity to read the manifesto. it's handwritten. he does make some indication that he's frustrated with the health care system in the united states. specifically he states how we are the number one most expensive health care system the world. >> sandra: i mean, obviously this is going to be a big part of the investigation to find out more over why he was so frustrated, why he felt that because of that he had to carry out this heinous crime. final thought, nickel? >> absolutely, that is very, very key, and remember he had been suffering from a terminus of back pain, had back surgery, probably had interactions with the health care system, but what i find fascinating, he came from a family that obviously believe in capitalism, very successful entrepreneurs, it seems, but yet he did not believe in that, he thought they were taking a vantage of americans come he is anticapitalist, i think the investigators have a lot to work with, but i have no doubt he

will get to the bottom of the motive. >> sandra: big questions, whether or not those surgeries, pharmaceutical drugs involved in a point, going off the grid six months ago. nicole, great to have you here on that as we continue to learn more. thank you very much. john, just, just every detail of this gets more and more bizarre. >> john: it does, and we'll find out in the next few minutes if he is going to be heading back to new york and when that might happen. i assume that the judge in pennsylvania will allow new york state to take him back because the charges in new york state much more severe than the ones he's facing in pennsylvania. and i wouldn't think the judge would delay, either, particularly since there are personnel from the manhattan district attorney office there as well as the nypd. i assume he will be in a vehicle going back to new york later on today. >> sandra: we will keep watching for it. >> john: syrian opposition forces begin to work forming a transitional government after ousting bashar al-assad from power. this is israel conducts air's arcs across the country to prevent serious military

assets from falling to the handf extremist. tree for my chief foreign correspondent trey yingst close to the border with syria and has the latest. trey? >> john, good afternoon, with rebel forces in control of syria, their efforts to limit their military power. overnight the israelis conducted extensive air strikes targeting syrian navy vessels working to destroy infrastructure that had belonged to the regime of bashar al-assad. those strikes were coupled with hundreds of others that also went after the syrian air force and notably chemical weapons sites. there is serious concern about neighboring rebels having any advanced military capabilities. on the ground, israeli troops are expected to stay permanently in the buffer zone between israel and syria. on syria's northern border we know thousands of refugees are studied across now back into territory that used to be controlled by the syrian government. in the capital of damascus, where many are returning to, families continue to search for

loved ones who disappeared under the previous ruler. new images today show inside one of bashar al-assad's palaces, a stark contrast to some of the images we've seen from a prison on the outskirts of the capital city, that people are searching for both the living and the dead. >> [speaking another language] >> interpreter: the prisoners are detained, killed, and disappeared or displaced, and condos if they will come back. it's impossible to find a woman who did not lose her brother, child, husband. there is not a woman in syria who didn't know someone. >> as we speak, we know the turks are operating against positions in northern syria. the israelis are operating against positions in southern syria. rebels now control the capital city, and uncertain days are ahead. john? >> john: in terms of trying to find people, the u.s. is anxiously trying to fight austin tice, who has been missing in syria for 12 years, coming up, trey, a little later on in this hour, incoming special hostage envoy for the trump administration about that

search. trey, thank you for the latest come appreciate it. sandra? >> sandra: dramatic pictures of a monster of wildfire out of southern california, crews working around the clock to put out the flames. mandatory evacuations issued for those in nearby neighborhoods. the fires raging close to pepperdine university in malibu, forcing classes to be canceled today. more than 2,000 acres have been scorched already. we are keeping an eye on that and we will have a live report a bit later in the show. ♪ ♪ >> you want to know what mass deportation is? those 14,944 better pack their bags right now. because with a new administration, we are going to show up. we are going to arrest you. and we are going to deport you. >> john: tool hearings on the hill putting a spotlight on the border crisis and president-elect trump's plan to address it once he takes office on january 20th. we will have more testimony from today's proceedings just ahead. plus this. >> progressives have always been for efficient use of our tax

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♪ ♪ >> john: the blair county courthouse in hollidaysburg, pennsylvania, where we expect any moment now luigi mangione is going to arrive for an extradition hearing. the state of new york making the case to pennsylvania judge that he belongs back in the empire state because the crimes that he's accused of committing in new york city are far more

serious than the ones that he is accused of committing in pennsylvania. we will keep monitoring that for you and we will bring you any news the moment it happens. now this. ♪ ♪ >> my daughter is like so many other american girls that go about their life, and they are just caught unawares from behind, dragged off the main road, trail, whatever, strangled, raped, murdered, some have been found, some have not. >> sandra: emotional testimony today from the mother of rachel morin, allegedly killed by an illegal immigrant from el salvador. lawmakers from both chambers are holding dual hearings on the border crisis. they are getting ready for president-elect trump's sweeping immigration agenda. he promised to implement on day one of his administration. griff jenkins is following all of this live from washington. griff? >> hey, sandra. you are right, congress is busy tackling trump's day one border promises starting with the fears

opposition to mass deportations and the democratic-led senate hearing. retired army general randy manor testifying, saying he is gravely concerned of the potential use of the military. >> the u.s. military is the best trained in the world for its war fighting mission, but it is neither trained nor equipped for immigration enforcement. involving the military in a politically charged investigation like mass deportation would erode public trust in the military. ♪ ♪ >> sandra: all right, fox news alert come alive to hollidaysburg, p.a., where we know we were about to see the alleged killer of the health care ceo, live there in pennsylvania for this is the extradition hearing that we are expecting will happen soon for luigi mangione. this is a live look there. possibility we will see him on camera, john. >> john: yeah, he is going to be going through an extradition

hearing. i assume he is and that white van that is just backing into the garage area there. again, he faces charges in pennsylvania on weapons possession and possession of a false identification document. but in new york city, he is wanted for murder, so i imagine the superseding charge in new york will win the day and that the judge will allow him to be transferred back to new york city, and i expect that they probably won't delay in that process, either, and he will be on his way later on this afternoon. >> sandra: a live look, looks like the van just pulled in. might as well watch this just for a beat to see if we see anything but obviously the point of backing to the garage would be that we would probably not see him exit that van unless there is another vantage point, but this is all happening live and we are watching it, john. >> john: there is a door opening on the side of the van now just behind that dumpster. don't know if that camera is going to be able to get a shot of him. sorry, that's not the picture that you are seeing on the

screen. a preview feed. >> sandra: they are obvious takes backing to walk in that door as you can see an officer on the post there. pretty incredible, as we were just talking to nicole parker, she was talking about his extensive education, ivy league education, private school in maryland, looks like we can see him now. >> john: there he is. walking, a number of prisoners who are being walked in. the question is is he in that group? >> sandra: let's listen. >> john: doesn't seem to be. >> everybody doing what they are doing, okay, that van is over here for a reason. >> sandra: okay. obviously little frustration with them being able to do their jobs, and there is obviously a lot of press on post, john, so we cannot confirm whether or not he walked into the room.

>> john: eight didn't look like we saw him in that group, but maybe he was there, the timing is just about right but maybe there is another group that is about to arrive, it is pretty dark inside there. all right, let's move on as we continue to watch. some democrats single signaling a willingness to work with d.o.g.e. on routing of government inefficiency with an eye toward the pentagon is a place to make possible cuts. next guest is one of those lawmakers who is pushing to slash wasteful spending from budgets including potentially defense. democrat california congressman ro khanna serves on t the house oversight and armed services committee and joins us now. so the 20,000-foot view here, congressman, you have joined your democratic colleague jared moskowitz in saying, hey, we are willing to work with d.o.g.e., willing to take a look to see what they come up with.

give us the elevator pitch to why you support the work they are doing. >> there are other democrats, as well. it should be bipartisan to be against wasteful spending. when you look at elon musk, he brilliantly disrupted lockheed martin and boeing to help americans launch rockets into space far cheaper and put satellites up there so he knows how to have more competition. i would like to work with him and others to and equitable. >> there is no such department of government efficiency. it's made up.

>> john: all right, what do you say in response to your colleagues there. >> fdr in 1932, talked about being against wasteful spending in his new deal speech. let's wait until we have some proposals. i have said i will propose any cuts to social security, to medicare, to the cfg be, but i'm open to working on making sure s overruns on the f-35. look at what the truman commission did to get the

pentagon to be more effective, or if they have an idea to populate everyone's tax returns so you don't have to go spend money at h&r block, that's a good, common sense idea, or if they want to help modernize technology in the federal government but that's a good idea. how about a common sense approach? support the policies you like, pose those you don't. >> john: all right, where would you cut? you have taken a look at defense because you said this on forbes newsroom, "defense contractors are fleecing the american people. over 56% of the discretionary budget is defense, and we have had six to minutes reports and summoning journalistic reports of the american taxpayers payins supplied or sold to the department of defense than if it was sold to a different federal agency. the department of defense has also failed, i believe it is seven audits in a row. the budget in the nda currently before the house is $895 billion. you think there might be a few bucks in their they could go without. >> well, look, let me give you a few concrete examples.

boeing charged $150,000 to the pentagon for soap dispensers. certainly that was wasteful spending. we were paying $1400 for electric rest pumps that could cost $200, bought in an ordinary retail store. more seriously, the f-35 had almost $200 billion of cost overruns with lockheed martin. and there are numerous of these examples where you have had systematic runs, more competition and oversight would lower the budget. >> john: well, we do remember back in the late 1990s when al gore brought an ashtray on the david letterman show. >> i'm having trouble hearing you. >> john: all right, there was a moment from back in the 1990s were al gore was pointing out that a government-purchased ashtray cost 50 times more than if you bought it and your local store. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> appreciate it. >> john: watch to see what d.o.g.e. comes up with peered. >> sandra: john, we are awaiting that extradition hearing for the suspected killer of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. we are watching for any developments, and we will bring you those as soon as we get them. that is a live shot where we could be seeing him shortly. former assistant u.s. attorney

andy mccarthy is on deck. he will join us next.

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>> sandra: all right, we are watching live there in hollidaysburg p.a. that is the blair county courthouse where we do expect that an extradition hearing will be happening soon for luigi mangione, the alleged killer of the health care ceo, so we are watching live there, andy mccarthy joining us, the u.s. attorney, also fox news contributor. before we get into it, what exactly will be happening today with this extradition hearing? what's the process? what's next? >> basically they have to ask him under circumstances where it is a judicial office rather than the police. they get him to concede what his identity is, that he is the person was wanted on these charges. ordinarily, this is not a contentious thing. sandra, usually people we've extradition to another state and then he will be on his way to new york. >> sandra: this is "the new york post" cover today,

andy, and it is really something, for new yorkers to know that this happened in broad daylight, just a couple blocks away from here, the targeting of ceos, obviously with the alleged killer, all of this happening and breaking yesterday at the same time as daniel penny was found not guilty. i mean, what an incredible moment this has been with both of these stories, andy, but as it pertains to this young man, who allegedly set out, wrote a manifesto, multiple pages, handwritten, we are told, had some sort of, you know, hatred of corporate america, felt like he needed to go put a gun to a major ceo in corporate america, what have you been able to determine from the facts that we know so far? >> well, it seems to me we are dealing with someone who is potentially very disturbed. we will obviously find out a lot more about his mental state in coming days. i do think, sandra, we have a

problem in america with radicalism on campus. it's not like these ideas come out of nowhere. and i think that is something we have to come to grips with. it is very premature to make a conclusive discussion or finding about what it is that drove this guy to do what he allegedly did. >> sandra: so as far as the evidence that we have, i mean, you know, what does the process look like? you have the ghost gun, you have the close he was wearing on the scene that was found with him au have the dna, the swab that happened yesterday, and what they were able to get from that cup left at the starbucks. is this going to be a fairly easy process, knowing the evidence that they have? >> yeah, it certainly looks like it is overwhelming evidence. to me, the interesting question is whether the incoming trump justice department would be

interested in trying to prosecute the case. i can see some theories of potential federal prosecution because this involves moving and interstate commerce. there are some pretty severe federal criminal statutes that could apply here, it is a much more straightforward state murder prosecution, and in theory that would be the best way to proceed with it, but i have to say, what we have seen from alvin bragg the last year, his performance in high-profile cases that may have a little bit of political baggage, we'll have to see how this one unfolds. doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. >> sandra: obviously seeing a little more activity there, which could tell us what we saw earlier was not the suspect getting out of the van. perhaps it is arriving now. we will keep watching the slap shot, andy. meanwhile, there are calls mounting for d.a. alvin bragg to

resign after daniel penny's not guilty verdict. we know we are about to see that interview with judge jeanine at 5:00 today. this is maude marron, a republican, candidate for manhattan district attorney, criminal defense lawyer, on that. watch. >> alvin bragg came into this office with his day one memo, which was wrong in so many different ways, saying he would not prosecute resisting arrest, he would treat certain felonies as misdemeanors which is not his role, this is going to be his legacy that he tried to prosecute a young man who had no criminal record, who served his country honorably, and who did what many people in the subways would hope. >> sandra: so, andy, should he resign? >> well, of course, i'd like to see him resign. i'm not holding my breath. i like to see governor hochul remove him. i'm not holding my breath. i'm going to say the same thing, sandra, that i said when we discussed this in the context of the prosecution of president trump. we have to be mindful of the

fact that manhattan is not even the rest of the city, much less the rest of the country. bragg was elected by progressive democrats, knowing exactly who he was, and what his agenda was, and as recently as two weeks a ago, we saw some polling in "the new york post" that he was heavily favored to be reelected. now i'd really love to see a credible candidate emerge, and i would hope that the next time around, this is not a small turnout election that progressives -- >> sandra: andy, i believe -- i believe we see the murder suspect. listen. [indistinct shouting] >> sandra: i don't know if either of you were able to pick up what he was shouting as he was walked in. >> john: no, i was not. that kind of came out of the blue because typically these transfers to the court are very

quiet affairs, so i'm not quite sure what he was shouting there. we'll get the tape and we'll play it back again and see if we can discern exactly what was going on, but the police officers certainly were doing their best to kind of russian into the courthouse before there was any kind of interaction there with the media that was waiting outside, quite a group of reporters out there as he appears for the expedition hearing. the idea that he faces charges in pennsylvania and in new york. the charges in pennsylvania, according to charging documents, include forgery, firearms, not to be carried without a license, tampering with records rectification, possessing instruments of crime and false identification to law enforcement authorities. that's one thing. in new york state, he is charged with murder of brian thompson, that health care executive, and here it is again. it's watch this. >> complete the out of touch! the health system of the american people!

>> sandra: still tough to make out exactly what those words were, is andy still with us? andy, this is obviously clearly showing the anger of this individual. >> yeah, i thought it was interesting come also, sandra, when you and john showed the first group of prisoners to go in, it was almost like a chain gang. it seems to me there was six or seven of them or more. they obviously brought him in by himself, and there were a lot of police there, in part that's probably because this is a high-profile matter and they are concerned about security. but you also don't know, you know, given the little snippet we just had, whether they've had a problem we don't know about that has gone on behind the scenes and they realized they needed more security. >> john: it certainly sounded, andy, that he had something on his mind he wanted to say. i made out the words "health" and "america," "american

people," maybe he was try get some thing to the media about the american people knowing the situation with cost of health care in america which apparently relates trickle into this case if we believe reports that we have seen where he according to friends had back surgery, which was rather extensive, that he may or may not have been denied care, the back surgery was extensive to the point that he tried to go surfing one day in hawaii and spent the next week in the hospital -- at home, rather, trying to recover from it. so something happened in this person's past in the last year, it would seem, that dramatically altered his state of mind. >> sandra: there has also been other reports from those who were close to him that it dramatically, the effects of that back surgery, the pain directly impacted his ability to live his life in certain ways. very personal ways. i'll leave it at that. let's also bring in, andy, if you could stand by with us, nico parker is back, former fbi special agent. nicole, your thoughts,

incredibly, a show of anger from the suspect as he was walked in for his extradition hearing. >> i have done prisoner transport hundreds of times and i have never experienced that. i have worked with violent criminals around, the southern district of florida and i've never had anyone mouth off like that. originally they said he was being highly cooperative. law enforcement said when he was taken into custody, you know, he was highly cooperative, although he did not speak come i understand he did not lawyer up. he is not currently represented by legal representation, but he was not causing them problems. but when you do a prisoner transport like that and you're blurting out like that, obviously the media was there, and he definitely has a problem, again this is a continuation of his grievance that he has. it hasn't ended. he took out brian thompson but the grievance continues. he's got anger. he's got a lot of anger. he's frustrated. and he continues to behave like this. that is why there were so many law enforcement officers there, and like andy mccarthy said, we don't know what happened

leading up to it but i can tell you that he is going to be very, very closely watched because of this, and conversations that may have occurred, anger he may have expressed leading up to that transfer into the courtroom, but again, that is not normal. as a former fbi agent working with violent crime, criminals, that is not typically how you want to behave. you want to be as cooperative as possible, but his anger is continued to show and he is not going to let up. >> john: nicole come apparently what he was yelling s "this is an insult to the intelligence of the american people. we are iraq to the video. was listen to it one more time. >> completely out of touch. an insult to the intelligence of the american people. [indistinct] >> john: he seemed to say the top of that, this is extremely unjust, as well, and this is an insult to the intelligence of the american people. not sure exactly what he was referencing there, but clearly

his frame of mind is different from the perspective of most people in this country. >> murdered the ceo of an insurance company, and he is saying this is not just? what he did was sick and evil and wrong, and he will face justice. i don't care what your opinion is about whatever the grievance was or whatever the precipitating stressor is, it is never acceptable to resort to violence to solve a grievance or problem that you have, and those that are sympathetic towards him and that are putting threats out there, that is unacceptable. those threats are now being investigated. but again this is going to be a very interesting process within. if this is his frame of mind and he is not going to cooperate, he is going to continue to fight every step of the way, it looks like. this is not the best approach for him going into this. >> sandra: nicole, is andy still with us, as well? okay, andy, if i could bring you back in, as well. he's in, obviously showed a lot of anger, the police having to restrain him. some thing you just noted, they

were probably prepared for, because we saw a bunch of others carried in earlier or walked in earlier together. he was brought alone. so knowing that he is tending towards violence and outbursts, we could be seeing him coming back out. how long will this process take? and could we be seeing him again shortly? >> it could take longer than it should, sandra, if he is so out of control, you know, he is not willing to stipulate to his identity, he wants to be obstreperous in the court proceeding, that can extend things. one thing that occurs to me is, you know, a week ago, whatever it was that drove this act, allegedly, he was flirting with the woman at the place where he was staying, and he was living a very different kind of life, and i think probably in the last

24 hours, is a 26-year-old who realizes, and it's beginning to dawn on him, that is never going to see the light of day again, and, you know, that can be something that is triggering for somebody who is obviously, you know, he may have a screw loose. >> john: hey, andy, we want to take a pause from the legal angle and bring in adam bullard, donald trump's nominee to be the incoming national hostage envoy, and we brought him in actually to talk about what is going on in syria and the hunt for austin tice but he also recently sold his health care company, landmark, to unitedhealthcare, and adam, you are personal friend of brian thompson. >> i was, i knew brian well peered. >> john: what do you think we are seeing here? >> i think it is horrible, unbelievable. the social media reaction to somebody dying should never be like that, especially somebody like brian thompson, so viewers know, he's actually not the ceo of all of united come he is only

ceo of the insurance portion. >> john: unite health care. >> a young guy with a young family come up and coming guy, and i spoke with the chairman of united recently who was in tears because if anybody should have had this, it shouldn't have been brian, he is a great young guy. >> sandra: adam, reminded, a horrific thing happen to somebody, to your point, youngish and up-and-coming and had young family, why he didn't have the security around him, new york city, a lot going on, high-profile guy, that is still a big question. >> these are dangerous times. and i think that is what that shows. i know there is a lot of anger in the american people over the high cost of drugs, there is anger over the high cost of health care, it is why president trump was elected. it is why he is putting forward dr. oz and bobby kennedy, so i'm happy that help is on the way, but we should never resort to violence and killing somebody that is up-and-coming that would have helped change things at

united, too. >> john: you take a look at the background of this suspect, luigi mangione, psion of a baltimore real estate empire, he went to the university of pennsylvania, highly intelligence math whiz, very good with computers, not the sort of guy that you would think would suddenly snap, turn around, produce himself a weapon, apparently, a 3d p 3d printer, and not sure where he got the other parts from, and be there, staked out, waiting for brian thompson to come along and how he knew of his schedule and he would be walking in front of the hilton hotel at 6:45 in the morning and according to police take his life with a number of bullets, i mean, this is not the sort of person who you would expect would perpetrate that. >> i went to the university of pennsylvania undergrad, too, i can't imagine some buddy from my class doing that, especially so talented, the valedictorian and the reason brian was shot, i'll tell you what he was shot, it was unitedhealthcare's day, and

he was the first presenter. so he was the first one that walked in. that's why he got that bullet. and it's amazing. >> john: i just want to ask you real quick before we go, you are the incoming hostage envoy, austin tice is being searched for right now in syria after the fall of bashar al-assad. he disappeared 12 years ago. what do you know about his plight? and what would you do as the hostage envoy to get him back? >> i think it is unbelievable that we are not sure, and i think given his background, as a military officer for the united states, and as a journalist, the fact that somebody stayed somewhere for 14 years is unconscionable. and the reason i am working for president trump is that is what he thinks. we are not going to accept it. we are going to do what the president of the united states did on social media, where he said, by january 20th, we need hostages out. >> john: all right. we will be following it closely.

thank you for dropping by. appreciate it. we will be back after this. stay tuned.

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>> sandra: all right, some of president-elect trump's cabinet picks meeting with senators in washington today. senior correspondent aishah hasnie on the hill for us. how have these meetings gone?

>> sandra, these meetings are continuing on but there's a lot of pressure on the senators to confirm these nominees, and let me give you a quick update on defense secretary nominee pete hegseth meeting with two senators this week that could taint him, lisa murkowski today and susan collins tomorrow. collins told fox news that she is going to ask him about ukraine, sexual assault in the military, women in combat, and the allegations lodged against him. hegseth for his part made progress was senator jodi ernst yesterday. she is of course a sexual assault survivor and a combat veteran. if she says she will support hegseth through the process, it's not a "yes" yet and she is facing some backlash for this, threats of being primary if she votes no. one of her colleagues just told me that is not right. >> you think jodi should be primary, she says no at the end of the day? >> no, i think joni is going through the process because it is very important for her. joni has had a very personal life experience in this, and it is personal to her and she is

not going to move until she has come to it, she makes a decision, she will make the right decision, and i am positive about that. >> senator markwayne mullin, who is a "yes" on all of the nominations and thinks that with time joni ernst will get there. sandra? >> sandra: asha hosni, thank you. john? >> john: extradition ee underway for the 26-year-old charged with murdering the head of unitedhealthcare. former fbi investigator bill bailey on deck with reaction. that's just ahead. (fisher investments) at fisher investments we may look like other money managers, but we're different. (other money manager) how so? (fisher investments) we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client'' best interest. (fisher investments) so we don't sell any commission-based products. (other money manager) then how do you make money? (fisher investments) we have a simple management fee, structured so we do better when our clients do better. (other money manager) your clients really come first then, huh? fisher investments: yes. we make them a top priority, by getting to know their finances, family, health, lifestyle and more. (other money manager) wow, maybe we are different. (fisher investments) at fisher investments, we're clearly different.

♪ ♪ >> completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the american people! >> john: you saw that live moments ago here on fox, luigi mangione yelling and struggling with deputies as he was brought into