♪ ♪ >> completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the american people! >> john: you saw that live moments ago here on fox, luigi mangione yelling and struggling with deputies as he was brought into court for his

extradition hearing. >> sandra: that hearing is happening right now, we have a reporter in them room and we will bring you the very latest from there as we get it. ♪ ♪ >> john: but first, a live look on capitol hill where the house homeland security subcommittee is holding a hearing on the risk of unmanned aerial systems to the united states. the pentagon and the fbi now getting involved in an investigation in new jersey where officials are calling for action over mysterious drones lighting up the night skies with no information on why or who is flying them. welcome back, as "america reports" rolls into our number two come i'm john roberts in washington. our first hour went by in about four and a half minutes. >> sandra: just incredible and so many people talking about the story with the drones, john, sandra smith in new york. spotted all over the garden state and even president-elect trump's bedminster golf club. new jersey governor phil murphy says residents deserve answers.

>> we don't see any concern for public safety, that is number one. having said that, it is really frustrating that we don't have more answers as to where they are coming from and why they are doing what they are doing. the minute you get eyes on them, they go dark. >> john: drone expert brett delco which is on deck to break down what we know about the sightings so far. growing concerns of more national implications. but first let get to nate foy a live in morristown, new jersey, which seems to be ground zero for these drone sightings. is the fbi saying anything about this? >> john, today the fbi says they have no updates, no new information about this drone investigation. we did provide several follow-up questions, so far we have not received a response to those. as you mentioned, that house subcommittee hearing is beginning on capitol hill right now, focusing on the national security risk with drones,

particularly, and our colleague chad pergram caught up with house speaker mike johnson had this to say about the drones in new jersey. interesting exchange. >> we are working on that. we need straight answers. we are concerned about drones at all of these new technologies and what it might mean for national security and the safety of the american citizen, so i'm looking forward to seeing the outcome of that hearing and if we don't get the necessary answers we will take deeper and go to a classified level. >> and he thought these might be dark programs? >> i hope not. i don't believe so. there is a lot of investigation going on so we will find out. >> john, congressman jeff van drew of new jersey is at the hearing and tells fox he doesn't think the u.s. military is behind the drones and it's possible a foreign adversary is conducting surveillance. listen to this. >> china is one full decade

ahead of us, and if this shows us anything, it shows us that we need to do better. the dod, department of defense, is going to bring in a radar system that can better track these because right now we are deficient in our radar system to track them. >> meanwhile, new jersey governor phil murphy called for meetings tomorrow with legislators, state police, and the new jersey office of homeland security and preparedness. now, as the pressure increases on murphy, state senator john bram nick is calling for a state of emergency to ban all drones in new jersey until the public gets an explanation for what's happening here. send it back to you, john. >> john: are we thinking somebody somewhere knows what is going on? >> that is what people in new jersey suspect, john, of course they spent a lot of money on taxes and they feel like either somebody knows what's going on and they are not telling them, or possibly even worse that we are so incompetent that we still don't know what's

going on despite the fact that these drones have appeared nearly every single night for a three weeks in the same exact place. people definitely suspect that the highest levels of government that someone knows something but we haven't heard that from any official sources yet. >> john: of those two possibilities, occam's razor might lean towards the incompetent. we will see. nate foy for us in morristown, new jersey, where they certainly do pay a lot of taxes. now this. ♪ ♪ >> we keep talking about it he had a coconspirator? i would like to know who was he talking to on the phone, that burner phone that he had, prior to the shooting? i understand that he may have made a phone call. if so, who was he talking to? that laptop at the mcdonald's, what was he looking at? who is he communicating, what was he looking up, that's the kind of things i would like to know. >> sandra: ouija mangione, the 26-year-old suspect, suspected killer of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson was in court right now for his first

extradition hearing after entering through that door just a short time ago. he has been sitting in a pennsylvania jail waiting to be extradited to new york. former fbi investigator bill daley will be with us and just moments. but first alexis mcadams is here with more details for us. alexis, what are you hearing from your sources at this time? >> sandra, you saw live on america reports, 26-year-old had a meltdown as he was walking into the courthouse, so i just got off the phone with nypd sources who were out there yesterday interviewing him, and they tell me this was not his demeanor at also something changed overnight where he started yelling here. i want to take a pause so we can watch that together. >> luigi -- >> completely out of touch, an insult to the intelligence of the american people and their lived experience! >> okay, i know it was hard to hear, but again, saying complete the out of touch, it's an insult to the intelligence of the american people, so that is what he yelled about as he goes into court to find out if he is going

to be extradited back to new york city, overnight the 26-year-old was cuffed and walked right out of a pennsylvania police department as he is facing murder charges in new york city, you can see him there kind of looking around at the cameras. the arrest comes after a mcdonald's employee spotted mangione eating a hash brown inside that restaurant. someone picked up the phone and called 911. police responded fast. >> sandra: anyone was sitting there wearing a mask, i'm told, so police said remove it and qu. the 26-year-old then handed over this fake i.d. it says mark rosario. that is the same fake i.d., sandra, police he told me he used to check into a new york city hospital before the shooting just the other day. investigators say he started shaking nervously and looking around the restaurant with a ask him, hey, have you been to new york recently. mangione had a backpack with h him, a gun inside and a handwritten note that explained

a possible motive, slamming the insurance industry. that is police think this is all about and what he could have been yelling about, too. police say the manifesto wrote in part, state plainly i was not working with anyone. i do apologize for any strife or traumas but and had to be done. frankly, these parasites had it coming. so that is very disturbing to hear, especially as a family continues to honor the life of brian thompson was murdered in new york city. thompson leaves behind a wife and two kids. a private funeral on your screen you can see, in maple grove, minnesota, yesterday. as they grieve, the investigation continues. mangione wasn't talking to police at last check. he was cooperative and quiet, but boy how has that changed, sandra. >> sandra: alexis mcadams on that. a lot to take in. thank you. john? >> john: let's dig deeper bring in bill daly, former fbi investigator. what do you make of what he said there? a bit of a rant as he was being led into the courthouse, said this is extremely unjust and an insult to the intelligence of

the american people, finished it off, saying this is a lived experience, which would seem to perhaps relate to experiences that people who are acquainted with him have relayed to the media, saying he had had back surgery and was in extreme pain from time to time. >> you know, john, there is going to be a situation, posturing itself, knowing what is inevitable, he could be facing proceedings, going to be facing a court, going to be facing potential jury, kind of posturing, is it posturing because he is acting out and maybe appears perhaps a bit erratic? or is he putting forward his innocence in some way? we just don't know. i think it is probably a calculated move by him. and we will see how it all turns out. meanwhile, the investigation, you know, continues, and i think it is important people understand all of these elements the investigation are very important, particularly because we need to make sure as

investigators move forward they will actually put mangione actually on 54th street that morning. right now we have a number of circumstantial pieces of evidence, between the weapon that was found with him, is that the same weapon that was used? there are a number of things, john, that need to come together in order to make this case more concrete. >> john: the only thing we seem to know with reasonable certainty at this point is the fake i.d. he showed police officers yesterday in that mcdonald's in altoona was the same name he had used to check into that hostel in new york city. we have now got that piece of video with subtitles on it when he was yelling to the press as he was led into the courthouse. let's play that for you now. >> john: so that is, as we thought it was, said it is extremely unjust, insult to the

intelligence of the american people, this is a lived experience, perhaps related to his own experience, having had some sort of injury or surgery and then dealing with the health care industry after that. what i find interesting is that this guy has an affinity for the unabomber, ted kaczynski. he did a review on the univar versus so-called manifesto. and there were some interesting parallels between the two of them. they are both highly intel intelligent, kaczynski attended harvard at the age of 16. mangione went to the university of pennsylvania, another ivy league college. both of them were math whizzes. kaczynski got a phd. kaczynski he had a disdain for technology, mangione disdain for corporations. dropped out of society, mangione dropped off the radar family and friends. here we have two highly intelligent people who apparently according to police went completely off the rails. in your experience how does that

happen? >> well, you just don't know what happens in people's lives. we just don't know what that switch that may have been thrown that took this person from a course of being an accomplice, individual, person of privilege, to now being a suspect in this act. yesterday, we did speak about this, john, and i mentioned in a different way the parallel between ted kaczynski and the unabomber, who identified ted kaczynski was a family member, and in this case it was not a family member or anyone else he knew closely who came up and said this is him in the photos, it happened to be a stranger in a mcdonald's. there are some parallels and i think it is interesting that somebody who is highly educated, obviously quite intelligent, there is something that happens along the way. we just don't know what that is. i think the key issue here is the fact of getting this evidence so that we don't have an issue when they go to court, that they use the s og defense, which is some other guy defense.

we need to actually place him there with that weapon that morning, and going back to some of the earlier evidence, john, come upon earlier in this investigation was the wrapper, the bottle of water, that he apparently discarded that had dna that places him there that morning, is the weapon that was found on him, is that the same weapon? that was used? obviously ballistics and forensics will be able to tell us a bit more of that. all of those things are going to be very key. other than that, there are a lot of things that are very circumstantial and we just don't want it to become as we have seen in other trials, where they point the finger come all of these things are true about him but he did not pull the trigger. >> john: we will follow this as it unravels. bill daly, good to have you with us, appreciate it. >> good to be here. >> john: now this. ♪ ♪ >> my son was playing a youth baseball game in the park. during the game there was a resident who was bathing unclothed in the lagoon, and a very erratic.

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>> john: chicago locals dozen, turning this park that used to be a haven for families into a place they barely recognize anymore after finding things like drugs and needles, knives and laying on the groundd people with mental illnesses roaming the park so that locals don't feel safe here anymore. >> my son was playing a youth baseball game in the park. during the game there was a resident who was bathing, unclothed, in the lagoon. it was very reerratic. it is. it was alarming for the children. just that type of behavior we are nervous to have them encounter. >> over the last year, 911 calls for the park have spiked 20%, cases of battery have nearly doubled, and what folks who live here pressed city officials for answers at a community meeting, they were told the city doesn't have the money to clear this

encampment despite spending more than half a billion dollars on migrants over the past two years. now locals are worried these problems are only going to get worse. >> i used to love going to the park. i used to love going with my kids, our dogs, and we can't do that anymore. >> very sketchy. people doing drugs, and they don't know what is going to happen. >> it's went to get worse at our park. it will start getting present at other parks where it isn't to today, and soon we will be like portland and seattle. >> when we asked the mayor about any plans to clear out these tent encampments, he responded by laying out his five-year plan for homelessness. which wasn't a lot of comfort for folks here who say they can't wait five years for this

to be fixed. john? >> john: it's amazing the way people are turning on the mayor, it really is. thank you. sandra? >> sandra: coverage as the drone mystery deepens. lawmakers meet on capitol hill to discuss the possible threats of these unmanned aerial systems to the u.s. it's bringing drone expert brett velicovich come also a former army special operations soldier for military intelligence, fox news contributor. we have spoke to you on many occasions about drones, never a story like this. what are we supposed to make of it? >> [laughs] either way, whether it is from the or foe, or government has a lot of exciting to do. i tell you i find it very difficult to believe our government doesn't know anything about this but the drone industry, it is entirely possible, they have zero clue

what is going on and are embarrassed to admit it, and they should be. my gut frankly tells me it's an adversary that is doing this because if it was some secret military testing the government would have put an end to it because of the hysteria and i think right now our adversaries see an opening in our national secured infrastructure because at the adversary clearly sees we lack the capacity to do much of anything and they are going to do it loudly and they think like this. might be part of this strategy to cause disruption among the populace.

we are not doing anything about it. they don't care if they are going to get caught. the problem is our infrastructure, our national security systems, we are not set up for this nontraditional manner to cope with the reality of commercial drone technology threats. we have an archaic infrastructure. we have been telling them to fix it for years. the faa doesn't listen. their policies have completely destroyed our domestic drone industry. we are set back ten years behind china, behind russia, and now our public is at risk. what we are seeing right now, it is absurd. >> sandra: brett, governor murphy said there was 49 reports of these drones on

sunday alone. watch these videos anything no wonder people are up in arms, it's alarming to see these things up in the sky and some were describingmaybe they know t more than they are claiming. we can right now try and poke holes a little bit at this theory this is some sort of military exercise because i keep getting asked if this is a supersecret agency. i have been involved in many top-secret exercises across the u.s. and there is always some sort of level of coordination with local authorities. you don't tell them everything, but you tell them they are there and there is a lot of what is called -- where we will attempt to use a drone to penetrate the

defenses of our military, show the military where we are vulnerable, but that is a highly coordinated action. if it is a military exercise, what would be the thought process in not telling anyone? right now there is so much hysteria, rightfully so, that exercise, they would have been told to stop that immediately. i just don't understand what everyone is doing, and i just can't understand also why they are not putting in the mechanisms to fix this. this is easily fixable. these drones are not undetectable. >> sandra: i was just going to say, brett, what is the radius one would have to be in -- for the ones we are seeing now, a residential neighborhood, they are up, the drone operators have to be right there, how far away

could they be? >> not necessarily. i mean, right now i could take a drone, attach a starling to it and fly it right over china and fly a bunch of drones without anyone even knowing the difference, but again, it is easy to fix. all you need to do, every single drone tense frequencies out, they are transmitting signals. figure out what frequencies are in the area and jam those frequencies. our interest russia is not will? >> well, sandra, it is all hands on deck here in malibu as firefighters try to beat back a late-season wildfire and save

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>> sandra: the franklin fire eruption overnight in malibu with thousands of evacuations happening all along the coast. pepperdine university is right in the line of it. check out this video of fire outside the window of a building on campus. rachel flynn a pepperdine student who was trapped inside the school's library all night will be joining us live. but first senior national correspondent william la jeunesse is in malibu. you have been there since before the sun came up. how is it progressing, william? >> it's pretty good. pepperdine is about a quarter-mile to my right but i want to show you something else. we are in the santa monica mountains, very close to where this fire started. last night around 11:00 p.m. with the santa ana winds gusting

over 50 miles an hour and this thing was raging. let's show you how close it came to that little community down below. the fire initially was burning towards the it is a semi rural area, almost woven into the landscape, one, two, 5 acres, that kind of thing, surrounded a few old. secondly the trade, 27 miles long, 1 mile wide so if you're not living at the beach, your house is probably on a cliff, hillside, or canyon, that mix it very hard to get bulldozers and hand cruise, so pretty much it was an aerial flight with some doing structure protection.

we did speak lastin the santa m, which is very deep, a mountain preserve that goes pretty much the length of malibu, kind of the north edge of the city, that is where the fire is right now, late-season fire, sandra, it's really weird, usually this stuff is over by thanksgiving and here we are approaching christmas and we still have santa ana winds. they are cautiously optimistic they will get this thing under control. no fatalities. some structures lost but i don't

think any homes, some damage but not destroyed, back to you. >> sandra: william la jeunesse on that, thank you.are as came l us we were evacuating and then we were evacuating. there was a little bit of confusion, some students decided to leave campus altogether. i chose to stay. during new student orientation, they drill into us that pepperdine is the safest place when there is a fire like this. so i knew that it was important

for my safety to stay on campus. >> john: hey, rachel. it's john roberts with sandra. we are looking at some pictures of the fire just outside the windows there, and i don't know how many times folks who live in malibu have seen this, i did my first malibu fire back in 1993. how close to the flames get? were you there for that? >> i wasn't, but i have interviewed a few individuals whose houses were impacted by it. >> john: i remember the flames coming down topanga canyon. we were racing out of topanga canyon road to try to get away from it. how close did the flames get to you at the university? >> when i looked out the window at one point last night, had to

be 2:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m., it all kinds of runs together, but the fire was right across the >> who knows? i was supposed to take two finals today. i don't know if i'm supposed to be studying for tomorrow's finals. it remains to be seen. but they are serving us lunch and dinner today, and i'm flying out on thursday. >> john: you seem to be a person who is prepared for a lot of things. i assume -- >> thank you. >> john: exams go well. our best to you. >> sandra: stay safe. >> thank you so much peered. >> john: the seemingly targeted killing of unit

health care ceo brian thompson exposing the resentment toward our health care industry that is prevalent in the united states. but health care costs -- with health care insurance costs soaring, some americans are now asking if obamacare is helping or hurting. jane castor, former policy director for senator chuck schumer is with us along with jessica anderson, former office of management under donald trump. let methe person who called 911t mcdonald's this morning. >> john: so we just learned, by the way, from the hearing, he is not fighting extradition, no bail granted, looks like he is going to new york city. but keep in mind what josh shapiro said, that this incident has brought out, in the

public, again, the lingering resentment that a lot of people have with health care in this country and the insurance industry and obamacare, for that matter. >> yes, john, and i think it is actually incredibly saddening to see this part of american society react like this to this ruthless, unimaginable killing of really a man that is a father, he is a husband, he is a son, and there are proper ways to have a policy debate over health care. there are proper ways to talk about insurance reforms and cost of care. we heard on the election trail that the cost of health care was part of the complaints for the cost of living, so we know there are problems, but it is never okay to take a life to make a political stand, and that is what i think is so disappointing and you saw leftist activist not only online but also in interviews and other networks the last two days praising, saying it brings them joy. that is sickening, john. >> john: i saw that one person said that. gallup recently did a survey on this. this is how things have changed in the past 14 years. americans on u.s. health care

quality and coverage, 2024, 44% say excellent or good compared to 62% back in 2010. which is one obamacare was put into practice. so what has happened since then? >> well, obamacare was never meant to make people love the insurance industry. it is meant to make people hate the insurance industry little bit less, take care of things like preexisting condition, but cost caps on premiums and that sort of thing. look, donald trump was elected in 2016. he said, i'm going to repeal and replace obamacare. there was no plan to replace it. he had four years in the interim to say afghani plan to replace it. he is still saying repeal and replace. i think the homework is overdue. if you want to repeal and replace obamacare, he has had nine years to come up with a replacement plan. let's see it. >> john: there is no question we keep going along the same path we have been going on for years and years. here is what "the wall street journal" editorial board member said on sunday. "remember barack obama's promise that if you like your health

plan, your doctor, you can keep them. sorry. claimed people of pre-existing conditions would be protected. the biggest was health care would become more affordable. the cost is just gone up and up and up with no end in sight. >> that is what americans are feeling. that is what puts us in a desperate position, the cost, the access, the time it takes to get care for those that are most sick. i really take issue with the fact that obamacare was meant to only solve one part of the market. no, it was a one-size-fits-all, i mean, remember, that's how he talked about it, that this was going to fix everything. well, now, years later, it's more broken, costs are higher, you definitely cannot keep the care you have to menards even have the same insurance provider i had in 2010, let alone the same doctor, so a lot has changed and i think if you thought 2016 was trump being agents of change, this election is even more so in this new cabinet proves that he is going to take something like this serious. >> john: final word to you,

jim, real quick. >> repeal and replace, he has had nine years to come up with a plan, where is the replace? homework is overdue. >> john: bobby kennedy is coming at it from a whole new perspective. jim, jessica, thanks for being with us. >> sandra: just out of the courtroom, luigi mangione, the alleged killer of the health care ceo. this just in, they are not waiving extradition. bail has been denied. mangione tried to talk and his attorney said do not say a word. bryan llenas was in the courtroom. he is running out to a camera and a microphone, and we could see the suspect shortly departing the courtroom. departing the courthouse. we are going to keep our eye on' vethat. quick break. we will be right back. , and wor. but i've always felt most comfortable up here, with the folks that made me who i am. i'm right at home, out here on the land. and i'm in my lane on the shoulder of the interstate.

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gave you the news, luigi mangione, they are not waiving extradition for him and his bail was denied moments ago. brian national correspondent bryan llenas is outside the courtroom. what did you see and hear when in there? >> well, center, luigi mangione he came out in an orange jumpsuit and he had his arms and his legs shackled. het de by himself for about 13 minutes before he was accompanied by his now defense attorney thomas m dickey. this is a defense attorney, the first time we have seen him, we don't know if he was appointed by the court or by luigi mangione, but he showed up there and the judge gave them a couple of minutes to discuss this case one on one. they spoke in front of all of us, quietly, we couldn't hear what they were talking about. then, at that point, this hearing began, and the big news is, as you alluded to before the break, sandra, he is not waiving

extradition. that means he is protesting this extradition to new york city, which means that this could take about 30-45 days before he is ultimately sent to new york city to face those murder charges in the killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. also, while we were inside, there was one moment in particular where thomas dickey was defending his client, and he was saying he deserved to be out on bail. the judge ultimately denied that. he will be in custody here at the correctional facility until he is extradited or until another decision is made, but the defense attorney was making the case here that he is not facing a crime that would keep him behind bars without parole. he said luigi mangione does not have a prior criminal history. he said that the cash that they

found on him could have been fake, and the lawyer, dickey, he said ultimately those boxes of masks that police say were also found on mangione inside that mcdonald's come he said, quote, some people are so conced about covid, so those are just some of the defense points that were made, and while he was saying that, sandra, mangione tried to say something, and the attorney, dickey, turned to mangione and said "don't say a word," and at that moment he began to continue to defend his client, but that's some of the color of what happened inside moments ago. >> sandra: yeah, we're going to try to get back up here but we are obviously seeing some activity here, could see him again shortly, and to remind viewers when he was walking in earlier, cuffed and shackled, he was a bit violent and threw himself up against the wall and yelled as he was walked in. he said this. we've got the tape.

let's watch. >> completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the american people and their lived experience! >> sandra: this is complete the unjust an insult to the intelligence of the american people, this is a lived experience. he was brought into the vehicle, perhaps knowing how he entered, might be more crafty getting him back into the vehicle. >> [laughs] yeah, no doubt about that, that is true, they were crafty moving him yesterday to the courthouse and we had a camera here to capture him walking in, that's right, and now all eyes will be on what happens here, whether governor shapiro and governor hochul, what the d.a.s will do to try to fast-forward this process, but again, this is likely going to take at least 30 days before he

is extradited to new york city. sandra? >> sandra: got it. we will keep our eyes on that shot. the door opens every once in a while. we just saw some others come out. we will keep watching. bryan, thank you for your reporting. appreciate it. quick break. we will be right back. veteran homeowners checked your credit card rates lately? many are over 22%, near 30% if you pay late. why not do what thousands of veteran families have done. call newday and pay off that high rate debt with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan.

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>> outside the courthouse in pennsylvania where we are expecting luigi to come out of the courtroom any minute now. we will see if you seen on camera periods attorney doesn't want him to say anything. he may yell at something again but what happened in court as he did not wave his right to extradition meeting he will stay in pennsylvania for the time being periods defence team has 14 days to file habeas corpus and then the governor josh shapiro has 30 days to serve a warrant for his extradition to new york. i don't see any reason why the pennsylvania governor would not agree that he should be sent back to new york to face this serious charge of murder but at the moment he is fighting this and fighting to stay out of new york city and in pennsylvania where he faces much lesser charges of fraud and felony weapons possession. we will see where all of this goes from here. again we are expecting that he is going to come out of that courthouse any moment now.

sandra. >> and what you said will be digested. completely unjust. he screamed and insulted the intelligence of the american people. a lived experience, he said as he was walked in and as he exited an suv. not expected but we will keep an eye on that door and when he departs we will certainly see what happens next and where this all those next. as this is a story that has gripped the nation, john. >> for the moment, for the past christmas and into the new year he will stay in pennsylvania unless something happens to rapidly than that.w york more we will take a quick break and we will be right back after this. chris! jason! boop! friends. let's go, let's go, friends! hold onto your dice. woohoo!! -nice frosting, pratt. -thank you! how we doin', keke? tastes like money to me.

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please contribute $11 a month by visiting t2t.org now >> all right. this was a short time ago. when luigi mangione was entering the courthouse there and had an

outburst and was acting very angry and shouted about an unjust situation and an insult to the intelligence of the american people. we will see what comes from this but a horrific crime he allegedly played out a few blocks from here earlier last week. >> clearly being defined as well, not only in his outburst but in his filing in court. not waving extradition which means he will fight it which now means that his defence team has to file a ruling of habeas corpus and the governor has two survey warrant for extradition in agreement with new york state to take him back to new york state where he will face charges for the murder of ryan thompson. it will probably eventually happen but it will take longer than we thought. >> indeed. good to be with you, john. >> good to be with you as always, sandra. i am john roberts. >> i'm sandra smith. the story with martha starts right now. >> thank you. good afternoon everybody. i martha maccall t