been in florida annual fundraiser i speak at golf for cops this year. the most successful gala and golf event we raised, carley, over $1.5 million for the families of fallen law enforcement despite the fact that i was up there, we actually raised that but it was also poignant as always, met a young woman who lost her police officer dad as a little girl using this charity, scholarship money to fay for her education. as you can see not just me. some of the fox family expwroind me. lisa boothe, parker, law enforcement on the left. if you want to join us next year or make a donation now google mcdavid group charities out of florida and find what you are looking for. >> todd, how did you do on the golf course? >> todd: "fox & friends" begins -- i should not be allowed to golf. >> carley: you are right about that because "fox & friends" does begin right now. ♪

>> brian: all right. here we go. as we were saying yesterday, 6:00 a.m. on the east coast. december 11, two weeks to christmas. this is "fox & friends." rachel is in for ainsley. and she? a really good mood. >> rachel: i am, thank you. >> brian: danny penny speaking to fox. the full interview is on fox nation. we will bring you the latest. >> guilty would have felt if someone did get hurt. if he did do what he was threatening to do, would never be able to live with myself. >> steve: that just started streaming 46 seconds ago on fox nation. the ceo murder suspect screams outside the courthouse in pennsylvania. what he said and the disturbing writings that police have found in a spiral notebook. >> rachel: and drones flying near military sites and neighborhoods in new jersey, including mine. and the government appears

clueless. >> you're telling me we don't know what the hell these drones are in new jersey are? is that correct? >> that's right. [laughter] >> steve: what? >> lawrence: incredible. >> brian: shoot them down. >> steve: you can't. >> rachel: you can't do that. >> brian: i will shoot them down and apologize later. >> steve: they are considered aircraft. like shooting down airplane. >> lawrence: i will start the show. "fox & friends" starts right now. >> steve: and we start with a great big story, and it's a great story as well. marine vet and new york city subway hero, danny penny is speaking out for the first time after he was acquitted in that subway chokehold case. >> rachel: penny openings up about his experience in an exclusive incredible interview with judge jeanine pirro. >> brian: we saw some of it on "the five" yesterday, the full

interview is avaivelg on fox nation. the first time we saw him speak. i know he sat down with his lawyers to get the story out and seen the video from danny penny's interrogation by the police after sitting down with him and answering all the questions without a lawyer they said we are not charging this guy 10 days later they did. i was struck by the fact that he is still holding steady, even if he went to jail he said i have no regrets i would do the same thing and it's not something that is true to his personality. he felt he had no choice. >> the entire interview is now available on fox nation. it started streaming at 6:00 eastern time. we have got several of the clips to share with you this morning. the first one is here he is with judge jeanine opening up about the chaotic moments during that fatal encounter explaining what went through his mind. >> what caused you to want to get involved? >> i'm not a confrontational person. i don't really extend myself.

this type of thing is very uncomfortable, all all this attention and limelight is very uncomfortable. i would prefer without it. i didn't want any type of attention or praise and i still don't. the guilty would have felt if someone did get hurt, if he did do what he was threatening to do would never be able to live with myself. and i will take a million court appearances and people calling me names and people hating me. just to keep one of those people from getting hurt or killed. >> lawrence: i think the reason -- first of all, he appears very credible in the moment. likeable. there was an attempt to make him like a george zim zimmerman likn

the trayvon martin case. he seems almost he doesn't want the spotlight right now. but i think the telling part is him saying i wouldn't have been able to deal with the guilt. i'm sitting here watching this man say he is going to kill everyone. what am i supposed -- i'm a marine. this is the oath that i took to defend this country, foreign and domestic. we have someone that is terrorizing citizens. and i have been through hell. but i still would do it again. that was telling. >> rachel: yeah. and don't forget a woman with a stroller and a baby this man is yell i'm going to kill everyone. you are absolutely right. credible. all of us want to believe good samaritans will keep coming forward. i have been on the situation. stranded on the side of the road. needed somebody to help me and they did. that's the kind of america we all want to live in. i was really struck by this interview that judge nah jeanine did an incredible job with this. you see this man right here. by the way, new yorkers are mad

at aoc because there have been videos that has resurfaced of aoc saying the subway is more dangerous because of men like this. no, the subway is more dangerous because of people like jordan neely who are the city has basically allowed to run free and we are lucky to have people like daniel penny. >> brian: here's what he was saying that was going through his mind when the incident happened. remember, he was standing there. he sees this guy screaming. he pops out his air pods and says i have got get involved. he also talked about why he didn't let go. if i let go, i'm in a vulnerable position. i'm on my back. if this guy does what he says is he going to do and try to kill anybody or me he could take out a knife. here's what he said about his thoughts at the moment. >> he was threatening to kill people. is he threatening to go to jail forever. go to jail for the rest of his life. and now where i'm on the ground with him. i'm on my back in a very vulnerable position.

if i just would have let go, now he turns. >> judge jeanine: why is that a vulnerable position? >> if i let him go, i'm on my back, he can turn around and start doing what he said to me i don't know jean killing? >> killing, hurting. >> lawrence: so important. if you look at the media reports compared to what actually happened, if you look at the headlines, they say the guy was just dancing on the subway. that's not what happened. >> steve: carefree. >> lawrence: for someone to say -- which is a terroristic threat, that they are going to kill everyone on there and that they are willing to go to prison for the rest of their life. we are talking about first degree, first degree offense. then how do you meet that person? you have to meet it with some sort of force. and so i think as a whole, the country is rejecting crazy. because we're living in this crazy world. and we wants good people to stand up for us.

and i think there was a red line with the jury. they tried to pressure them. they tried to go after this guy's character. and at the end of the day, people wanted that type of guy to be on the subway with them. >> rachel: that's right. >> steve: lawrence, you are absolutely right. it's a crazy world right now. in the last 10 years there have been crazy things. america has shifted toward crazy. but when you -- you know and we follow the trial every day. when you look at all of the evidence that was presented, there was only one possible verdict and that was acquittal, then again, it is new york. and anything can happen in a jury room. and that's why it is such a great interview. the whole interview is about 40 minutes long. it's available only on fox nation. he did not -- remember, he did not take the witness stand in his own defense; however, he does explain it all to judge jue jeanine. if you need a reason to get fox nation. this is it. it is a blockbuster interview.

>> rachel: incredible interview. >> brian: the judge is going to be on a little bit later and one of his attorneys. the reason made it worth worthwhile is the thank yous i got from the other passengers afterwards. that's why he believes he did the right thing jordan neely lived a tragic life. his mom was killed and chopped up and put in a suitcase and he was put into foster care. where was his dad? now his dad is looking to cash in with a civil trial now is he looking to get rich off it which is despicable. >> rachel: the reaction to blm trying to gin up. >> brian: it's not working. >> rachel: total rejection of that looked ridiculous. looked like from another era and nobody was at a paying attention. i think that is.

>> lawrence: they straight up lied. what happens when a black man steps in. there was a black man that stepped in and he held him down as jordan neely put him in the choke. the prosecution, which i just think it needs to be explored, may have a witness in the case after he pinned down, threatened him with prosecution if he did not testify on their behalf. so, i mean. >> steve: that's how it works. >> lawrence: also a part of the system going after people doing the right thing. not just with jordan neely but putting the amount of pressure on a witness when they pinned him down to make this a racial experience conspiracy. >> brian: wasn't just h hawk newsome the blm al sharpton's group use some of the $500,000 perhaps that kamala harris gave his organization in order to do the interview on the news network msnbc, and paid some of those people to stand outside behind bike racks and scream horrible things that they could hear in the courtroom. think about that, they could hear the scream not guilty

courtroom, murderer while they were doing. this meanwhile, fox nation, the whole thing, if you don't get the app., use this opportunity to get it. and watch the whole interview. >> lawrence: judge jeanine later on in the show. fox news alert, killer of ceo denied bail for being too dangerous. >> rachel: brooke singman joins us now. >> brooke: the 26-year-old man charged with killing brian thompson not making things ease on local authorities as he entered that pennsylvania courtroom yesterday. watch this. [shouting] the intelligence of the american people [inaudible] >> murder suspect luigi mangione was denied bail after prosecutors said he was too dangerous to be released. mangione remains behind bars in pennsylvania this morning, despite manhattan prosecutors wanting to bring him back here to new york. mangione refusing to waive extradition instead wanting a hearing on the case. meanwhile, we are still learning more about who mangione really

is his former roommate and close friend speaking to jesse watters last night. listen. >> i actually propose that we read kind of half joke but read the unabomber manifesto. i always wanted to read it but never got around to it, so that was my suggestion. we had a normal discussion, debate around it. nothing that stood out at the time. no anger, no special affinity towards it just, you know, thought provoking discussion. >> and we are also learning more about the suspected shooter's motive. this manifesto allegedly found on mangione at the time of his arrest saying, quote: a reminder the u.s. has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world. yet we rank roughly number 42 in life expectancy. united couldn't read it largest company in the u.s. by market cap behind only apple, google and walmart there are also reports that investigators have material showing that mangione considered bombing new york to

kill the united healthcare ceo but opted against it out of fear it could, quote, kill innocents. let's bring in a long time family friend of the mangione family and also he is a baltimore radio host thomas maroni neck jr. thomas, good morning to you. >> good morning, guys, thanks for having me you saw the news. the family you have been involved in with your radio station for a very long time now involved in this? what's your observation? >> it's shocking, i have known the mangione family. have been a talk show host from 2003 to 23 on a station they owned. and i will tell you, this just doesn't seem like anything associated with them. this is a very deeply respected

family they own golf courses, retirement home, they couldn't be more involved in charity and respected in general. so, when i saw the name, i first had to do a double take, is this the same people i have known and have been on the station for so long? it really shocked me. >> rachel: had you met the son, legion? >> i never met him to my knowledge. i may have run into him had in passing but i don't recall that. >> lawrence: it's our understanding that the family reported him missing. they thought he was missing. and for the last week his mugshot was all over the airwaves on pretty much every channel. does it surprise you that they didn't recognize their son? >> it does surprise me. my involvement with the family was through the radio show. i can tell you they were

fantastic. nick sr. the patriarch. they were close knit. when nick senior passed away nick jr. took over. it was just keeping it in the family or a member of the family to have sort of gone rogue is really surprising. they didn't reach out to me specifically, but i did hear the reports that they reached out to others who knew luigi mangione, they were trying to get ahold of them. >> a lot of times affluent distant from their kids, do your own thing. get into private school. get into ivy league using our connections. would you characterize the family that way? >> not at all. i will just relate a story they threw us a holiday party one year when nick sr. was still alive. and they spare nod expense. they invited talk show hosts. they invited advertising people.

they brought members of their family. they were very, very close. they were connected. it just made you feel like you were part of the family organization. >> lawrence: thomas, was there any talk about loretta lynch les he considered that kid? >> that was never something i heard about, but i can tell you that they are very proud of the accomplishment from everything i saw of members of their family. i know that luigi was valedictorian at his high school. my high school is a competing high school with his. but, in baltimore, it's very interesting because people ask you what school you went to. and they don't mean college.

they mean what high school you went to. >> steve: that's right. >> so for him to give the valedictorian speech was just a tremendous accomplishment. that's something that they look very highly upon as they did when nino, his cousin became the state delegate. >> steve: thomas, i got two parts to this question. first up, you know, he now famously apparently had chronic back pain he was in pain a lot we have been reading. were there any family members who had a medical problem where they might be angry at an insurance company for denial of anything? >> i didn't hear about any of that. but it would really surprise me because again the family had a lot of influence. has a lot of means. but especially being involved in healthcare, owning retirement home. this is something where they wouldn't have struggled to pay the bills. >> steve: right. second part of the question. do you know of any family members. have you heard of any family

members who saw those images? andal snapped in new york where he had the mask down and they go oh, could that be luigi? >> i did not hear that. i did see the reaction that delegate mangione posted is that they were shocked and horrified and they really were getting their news from the news media. it seemed like a shock completely to them and they didn't even suspect it. >> brian: yeah. not one of the tips were accurate or helpful. it was the mcdonald's worker that was helpful. thanks so much. i appreciate you joining us today. >> steve: thank you, sir. >> brian: up close and personal. >> thank you so much for having me. >> brian: pretty amazing. i was surprised. first we heard one day caught, didn't say a reasonable doubt would. no lawyer. didn't say a reasonable doubt would. to see him getting out of the car screaming like that and defiant. i don't know if he is acting. didn't look like a guy with a back injury. see him jumping up and down and

they are grabbing him. that didn't seem like a guy to be handled gently. >> lawrence: i worry about this case if it's in the theme of what he did the way he committed this murder crumbs he left for everybody to see not just the cops. is he trying to litigate this case for the public and not for a court of law a lot of people throughout that are supporting him a lot of people outraged with the system a lot of americans sympathize with the brokenness of the system and ignore the system they will have a hard time convicting him. >> rachel: curing those months he was missing where was he and what was he doing? i want to know about the drugs in his system? what was he on? >> brian: absolutely, yeah. >> steve: apparently in addition to the 262 word manifesto he left a spiral notebook and

essentially it said i did this all by myself. it seems like -- it seems like it's a confession. at the same time, his attorney out in pennsylvania said there is no evidence to connect him to the crime. >> brian: that guy is comical. farcical. >> steve: that's what defense attorneys do. >> brian: no one has talked to me about anything except for the video. meanwhile somebody we can't wait to toss to carley shimkus. how about that? >> lawrence: that was good. >> carley: that was called making it up on the fly. >> lawrence: he does that. >> carley: i have big news happening on capitol hill today after months of stonewalling. secretary of state antony blinken is finally set to testify before the house foreign affairs committee on biden's botched 2021 afghanistan withdrawal. during disastrous exit, 1 u.s. service members were killed during a bombing at kabul airport. $7 billion worth of u.s. military hardware ended up in the hands of the taliban. back in september, the house foreign affairs committee voted

along party lines to find blinken in contempt for failure to testify a suspected member of suspect tren dearagua has been e u.s. border patrol miami suspect tore the suspect has a criminal record for assault with a deadly weapon. the violent venezuelan street gang is now operating in 17 states according to a homeland security memo obtained by "the new york post." remember this shocking moment when a man in las vegas left olength over a courtroom desk ad attacked a judge? yesterday a different judge sentenced that man to 26 to 65 years in prison for that assault calling it an attack on the entire judiciary. ridden who pleaded not guilty but mentally ill addressed the court just before learning his punishment. >> i'm not a bad person. i don't understand why the state

is trying to prove me as a bad person. i understand they have a job to do, but this is just -- it's not right to me. i finally watched the whole video. i was standing here in the courtroom with all of you guys, all of you guys, and i finally saw the entire video, judge johnson. i can't believe this. >> he will be eligible for parole in the year 2050. wow. cincinnati bengals quarterback joe burrow is the latest star athlete to have his home broken into while he was away playing a game in a different city. this incident happening on monday night as the bengals were in dallas. >> someone is trying to break into the house right there. my daughter is there joe burrow's house. she is staying there. he is at the football game. >> you said someone tried to break. >> in yes. she said someone was in the house. >> wow, burrow now part of a growing list of athletes turned burglary victims that includes patrick mahomes, travels kelsey

and severalman players. while it's unclear if break-ins are connected. several have memos warning players some burglaries connected to transnational south american groups. those are your headlines, guys. crazy 911 calls. somebody in joe burrow's house at the time of the break. in. >> brian: now all these guys have to put someone in their house while they are playing. >> carley: they have to have private security. >> lawrence: i'm surprised it hasn't been done. i don't want do victim blame here. i'm surprised there is not security assets already on -- there has been alert put out there saying they are targeting the players. >> steve: right. >> rachel: south american transnational criminal organization. i wonder how they got here. >> steve: every one of the sports teams has vast security teams, units. maybe going forward they should just always post somebody in a car in front of somebody's house or in the house on game day.

>> brian: talking about 45 guys like in baseball, basketball is a lot easier. other thing they found a transnational gang member palm beach, mar-a-lago on the property. do you believe this? meanwhile 23 minutes after the hour. mysterious drones buzzing all over new jersey and staten island and near our military. and the fbi doesn't know where they are coming from. >> you're telling me we don't know what the hell these drones are in new jersey are? is that correct? >> that's right. ♪ some amazing gifts, but what about the inherited ones? celebrate them with ancestrydna, the simple test that shows your deep family roots, from your mom's side and your dad's side, with some serious detail, trace the journeys and history that shaped who you are today, and see the traits they passed down. your connections to the past

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♪ >> so the suspect in the florida assassination attempt on president-elect donald trump is set to appear at a federal courtroom today. rich edson joins us live from west palm beach, florida. hey, rich. >> good morning, lawrence, the attorneys for ryan routh the suspect here 10 month delay for this trial. supposed to be in february. too much evidence in this case. filed a petition saying quote discovery delays and the exroferred volume of discovery have made the current trial schedule incompatible with mr. ruth's due process rights aren't opposed to a reasonable delay.

riot waited 10 hours on the perimeter of the hoping to aseas sis sin nate the former president. the house task force investigating both assassination attempts against trump has released its find report. it says that golf course was subject to critical vulnerabilities especially outer perimeter. the secret service had previously identified as favorable position poor potential inspiration. despite the course surrounded roads and only protected by chain link fence trees and brush of the secret service didn't full scope of something redacted prior to former president trump's arrival the justice department says the complaint also alleges in the area of the tree line where ro food. serial number on the rifle was obliterated as for the assassination attempt two months earlier in butler, pennsylvania, the report identified

pre-existing conditions and leadership failures. the top democrat on that task force, congressman jason crowe told a local news station, quote: i think it was the culture of folks not speaking up and stepping up. there were a lot of people da that i knew there were things wrong. knew there were gaps in the security plan but they didn't speak up. the task force is also recommending that congress, perhaps, take a look at removing u.s. secret service from under the purview of the department of homeland security which is a pretty sprawling agency risch chilly back to you. >> thank you very much. shocking we don't know more about that killer or potential killer, also showing shocking we don't know about these drones. governor murphy holding an emergency meeting about the dozens of drones spotted all over the state, including these. over my house. that's right in front of my house. yesterday, lawmakers on capitol hill grilling the fbi for answers?

you are telling me we don't know what the hell these drones in new jersey are? is that correct? >> that's madness we don't know what these drones are. >> mystery drones spotted over new york, new jersey, prompt calls for federal investigation. what can you tell us about what you guys do know? >> we do not know the particular specifics of what those drones are. >> is there still a possibility of there being a threat? at the end of the day, that's what my constituents want to know. >> i would just mention it concerns me that we don't know the answer to your question yet. >> rachel: wow, that's shocking. our next guest who led that hearing warnings we still have no way of stopping enemies like china from using drones to spy on us. carlo ryu men nez joins us now. >> i have within able to record

at least once. they either belong to the u.s. government or they don't and if our military or military doesn't snow that that's a problem, right? >> it's a huge problem and we as a nation are woefully unprepared for the challenges and the threats that these drones and other drones may pose to our facilities but also to american citizens. >> rachel: which agency head would you say is most responsible for knowing this? who should know this who should be on top of this and giving us information. >> it should be alejandro mayorkas. >> this is a threat to the homeland. both him and also the department of defense these drones are buzzing around sensitive areas. those two are the ones that are mainly responsible. that's part of the problem, too is that we have agencies all over the place that have some money allocated to drone defense should be focus sod we

understand this threat. by the way this threat is going to get worse and worse as these drones become more and more capable as ai is implemented and put into them you can't say on the one hand there is no threat if you don't know what it is. why hasn't he been pressed on it? >> he should be. yesterday was one of the first hearings we had on the drone threat. i have been even way back when i was mayor of miami-dade county, i was very worried about drones and the threat that they pose to our airports and our port facilities, even on a local level. and so, yeah, we as a nation need to start focusing in on this threat and we as a nation need to -- if we in congress have to make some laws that allows, you know, the agencies to take more appropriate action. we need to do it. but also our capabilities. we don't have the capabilities that we need to deal with them today. much less the drones of the future, which are going to be

more capable. >> rachel: are you worried citizens are going it take this into their own hands? >> yeah. inthavment but i also worry that we are not paying -- we, the federal government, is not paying enough attention how we can deal with the threat that drones pose. not only just from surveillance, but also, as an offensive weapon. look what is happening in ukraine and russia and what they are doing with drones. it poses a very serious threat. >> cartels are using them as well on our southern border and we are having trouble wrapping our arms and that as well. congressman gimenez thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> rachel: secretary blinken finally set to testify on the botched withdrawal from afghanistan. he will -- will he own up to the administration's mistakes? we have that, next. ♪

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>> brian: happening today after

months of stonewalling secretary of state anthony blinken is finally -- finally set to testify in president biden's botched 2021 afghanistan withdrawal. >> steve: to tell us more todd piro joins us here in "studio m." todd? >> todd: good morning to all of you. secretary blinken will appear before the foreign affairs committee along party lines find blinken in contempt for his failure to testify back in september. now, during the disastrous exit from afghanistan, $7 billion worth of u.s. military hardware ended up in the hands of the taliban and, of course, we well know 13 u.s. service members were killed during a bombing at kabul airport. steve nikoui is the gold star father of lance corporal couey who died in the blast. richard mccormick reacted on "fox & friends first." watchy expect any great answers from secretary of state blinken, he has been avoiding us from the get-go. he knows they had poor policy.

this is the worst foreign pole of any president in the united states. why can't we admit weigh did do wrong and move on and not repeat those same mistakes just the fact that he is coming is because he is in threat of being held in contempt. it's not that he is doing something towards goodwill. is he forced to do it. >> that hearing about begin at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. back to you. >> steve: thank you. >> brian: how many people he left behind, never been answered, how come our private groups had to go and cash in their 401(k)s in order to get people out. how's come there wasn't cooperation with our state department. once the retired groups men and women went into action, they couldn't get cooperation from the state department to do the job they should have done and, of course, not anticipating the collapse of the army and then focusing on 8,000 went in and what they got out instead of what got us to that moment. so many questions. >> plus, also, as you look at

those images, which are heart breaking, we ran them pretty much live on the show as when did was happening in 2021 back in august. keep in mind the people running that airlift, if you will, were told to get as many on the plane as you possibly can. and there was so little vetting. as we now know and we are still dealing to this day with the problems from that. >> lawrence: have an administration and people within the pentagon that are labeling the mission as a success and you just wonder. >> brian: admirable kirby. >> lawrence: wonder why there is such a resistance campaign for the nominee because he is going to clean house. they were a part of this. they are not going to have a job. there is no way anyone in that administration can say that went well closing bagram from a strategic standpoint doesn't make any sense. leaving weapons for the enemy, not having a proper negotiation done to get people in and out.

taking the troops out before you took the people out. none of this made sense. just on a basic level we will see what happens, rachel. >> rachel: accountability no generals held accountable. lt. general sheller who called out what a mess this was he did get in trouble. i will never forget sitting on this couch on that moment on those days, those two days that weekend. we knew those soldiers. those 1 guys ended up dying. we knew they were sitting ducks waiting for it to happen. at the same time all of that was happening and those images were coming through. pete hegseth on commercial breaks was taking calls with his buddies trying to rescue people because our government wasn't doing it. what will be interesting, you guys -- and i believe pete hegseth will make it through this process. pete hegseth becomes the secretary of defense, i think we will start to see

accountability. >> lawrence: 100 percent. >> they have gotten away with it this long but nikoui's family and all the other 13 families, wait. i think there is going to be accountability from pete hegseth. >> brian: whatever do you don't blame general donahue i had a chance to be with last year. he got his four star -- he was asked to go in and get people out. he was the last one to leave. >> steve: it was joe biden's decision it lies companies it's the commander-in-chief. >> lawrence: on the bird. >> brian: austin, kenzi and mark milley, that's why they are doing the preemptive. trying. how are smart phones affecting our kids' mental health. answer that and how congress can help. ♪

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>> janice: good morning, everyone. we are still watching this wildfire in southern california malibu. 300 acres burned. active days, too. and no containment at all. we still have very strong winds today and then relative humidity is below 10%. so really dangerous conditions for firefighters. the winds are calm for now. and then as we get through today, we could see them kick up again offshore winds by

tomorrow, on shore flow and that will help bring up humidity and the winds should die down as well. fire weather warning for much of today. tomorrow a better day, so firefighters really need to get a grasp on this. next storm system moves into the west. that's going to help bring up the humidity. we also have a tremendous storm along the east coast and the northeast with rain, snow, wind gusts in excess of 40 to 50 miles per hour for all of the big cities, though there are going to be travel delays. just keep that in mind. all right, steve, over to you. >> steve: all right, j.d., thank you very much. >> janice: you got it. >> steve: meanwhile, house lawmakers are just two weeks to pass the bipartisan kids online safe-t act. as they look for solutions to protect kids without suppressing free speech. supporters of the bill took to capitol hill to demand immediate action before time runs out and more children fall victim to the harms of social media. joining us right now is social psychologist and new york university professor jonathan haidt, good morning to you, jonathan. >> good morning, steve, good to be back with you.

>> steve: good have you as well. you stopped by when the book anxious generation came out. set the table. explain real briefly for the people watching how does social media rewire the brain of a kid? >> so imagine a kid growing up, going through pursuant and suddenly, in 2010, 2012, kids are getting -- they are getting a smart phone, they are getting social media and now instead of interacting with their friends and laughing with them. they are all holding a phone in front of their face. social media is the main thing that seems to hook kids. especially girls. the platforms are able to design these things to trap our kids to keep them on, when you block social interaction you are blocking social development. >> steve: indeed. so, what would this particular bill do? >> so, the online safe-t act is piece of legislation that's been completely bipartisan from the start. this is something i have seen.

republican, democrat, all around the world. people have kids. and if you are a parent. you have seen this happen. have you seen your kids slipping away. what it does is says there are some limits on what the platforms can do to your child. your child can still say anything they want online. they can search for anything they want online. but costa says the platforms have some responsibility. they cannot send your child content that promotes suicide. self-harm, and a few other things like that. it has no effect on free speech. it's a limitation for the first time a limitation on what the platforms can do to your child. >> steve: it seems, professor, like a no-brainer. i mean, we wants to protect our kids, and, yet, we know big tech, big money, they don't wants this to happen because they love the gravy train. >> that's right. the big social media platforms are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to influence congress and they seem to be succeeding, able to gum things up. even though this bill passed the

senate, 91-3. in this divided country, what other topic can we get almost perfect bipartisan support. even though elon musk weighed in on this. elon musk and x, they negotiated even further protections to completely make it clear that this cannot influence -- this cannot compromise anybody's right to speak. so elon musk is fine with it. donald trump jr. came out promoting it. sarah huckabee sanders, so, a speech concerns have been addressed. we have got to past this now. pass costa by christmas. >> steve: it's passed the senate. marsha blackburn of kentucky is saying okay, house, get on it. why isn't the house moving on it? >> i mean, i am not an expert on that. it looks as though meta has spent an awful lot of money in louisiana and, you know, i don't know the reason. but, for some reason, the speaker is holding it up. and saying that they are going to get more free speech

protections. no, those have all been done. you cannot get a better champion for free speech than elon musk. and he is endorsing it. so i don't know the motive. but it seems to me this whole bill is held up by the house leadership. >> steve: sounds like you are suggesting because meta is building great big facility in mike johnson's state that that might have something to do with it. is that what you just said? >> i don't know. that is -- that is the only explanation i can think of for why the leadership is holding it up when everyone else is ready to go. including elon musk. >> steve: the house has got two weeks. it would be great because the senate has already done the work and some people on all sides of the issue have weighed in trying to protect our kids. i hope they do something. professor, thank you very much for joining us live. >> thanks so much, steve. >> steve: you bet. coming up. we are counting down to christmas two weeks until christmas. we have set the table. rachel, you have got a stocking

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