♪ ♪ >> i was expecting lines around, but it looks great. >> the business, everyone is anxious to get out annually than it is busy. >> the best part of traveling on a player don't think anybody likes traveling. >> i just came to minnesota and hannah have not seen snow for 20 years. i saw a lot of it. spill in the best part is getting there and the holiday rush is on as millions of

americans take flight to reach their destination in time for christmas hi christmas and on record to shatter records. i am john roberts and what are you doing there? >> shannon: i have a long list of things and some of them surprises for sunday, but i will join the fight today too. but first jane m bream and for sandra smith. great to be with you, john. on the travel note, tsa to screen 40 million flyers between now and january 2nd. with those crowds come the possibility, brace yourself, cancellations and delays geared to the flight map show hundreds of flights getting off of the ground early today, john. spilling cannon, winter weather can make it tricky with rain and snow in the forecast for a lot of parts of the last chicago o'hare international airport had to deal with a ground stop due to snow and ice. that is where we find kelly saberi who clearly drew the short straw although you are

inside, which is some respite, i guess. to what will happen to air travel, kelly, if the government shuts down? >> hi, john and shannon, that is a great question because 6% more people heading through this travel season than last year, you may be sitting at home seeing the crowd behind me and the chaos and wondering what will happen to my christmas trip? rest assured, it will be okay because tsa and air traffic controllers will keep working even if the government shuts down as considered essential workers. this is air traffic controllers faced a massive shortage. hopper tells us the busiest airports in atlanta, dallas-fort worth, damper, lax and chicago. what you are looking at the amount of seats booked over this christmas season with 1.5 million people book seats out of atlanta between monday and new year's day. map to the price of airfare they share, estimates holiday plane travel is up 1.4% last year.

this is $371 it booked last minute first week of christmas for domestic round-trip flight and lodging up 3.7% year-over-year. driving will be the most popular mode of transportation this holiday season. gas prices in line with last year or $0.03 cheaper at $3.05 according to aaa. a little piece of advice if you will head to the airport for your christmas plans will go you have gifts for your loved ones, did not wrap them until you get to your destination. you may be the most hated person tsa line if you hold it up and unwrap it if something fishy about your gift. so wrap it when you get them at, back to you.ck to you. >> john: do not bring cutlery through the security line either. kelly saberi in chicago, kelly, now this. >> president-elect trump and his plan.

>> the president is interested how his administration will start in january so we want him to be successful to move that agenda through. we have a bold agent at that starts in january to lower inflation to get spending under control. speed to which president are you talking about? that is steve scalise moments ago speaking as house republicans continue to meet behind closed doors on their options. they are awaiting them trying to avoid a government shutdown. if i can start hours from now. with republican texas governor chip roy will join us in minutes to discuss why he did not support the proposal. we began with grady trimble lived on capitol hill, hello, grady. >> a look, shannon talking to republicans coming out of a closed-door meeting some like the idea from the proposal yesterday and splitting up into three parts, three separate votes but that is not necessarily a done deal because

we just heard from majority leader steve scalise's head there is no consensus around one single approach to take from here. but what that would look like as we understand it if it were to happen, it would take the continuing resolution to keep the government funded info on that. they would hold separate votes on disaster relief for the hurricane victims and aid for farmers. what it wouldn't do, and this is critical, is raise the debt ceiling. that is so important because we know it is an important issue for president-elect trump. it would kick the debt ceiling conversation down the road until next year. >> president trump is a master negotiator. he understands how to rhetorically use tactics that move us the right direction. we are going to get this done, and we will get this done in a much better fashion because of engagement have president trump here. >> democrats in congress say this is coming down to the wire because of elon musk 14 king 1500 page bipartisan

agreement. republicans say stuffed with pork. you know t president-elect trump involved in all of this but you might wonder where is the current president? he has been in touch with leader schumer and jeffries at the white house is blaming house speaker mike johnson. >> congress needs to deal with this. this is their number one job to keep the government open. there was an agreement on the table, not just in agreement but a bipartisan agreement. >> johnson created this mess. he needs to fix it, period! >> some republican members are acknowledging at this point a short shutdown is possible with just about ten hours or so until the deadline. shannon. >> shannon: grady trimble tracking on the hill, thank you very much, john. spilling for the latest texas congressman, chip roy served on house budget committee. the meeting with house republican conference is going on and i assume you were there

for a time. what is going on inside are we going to see a deal? are we going to see a vote? are we going to see the government shutdown? all options on the table, i don't know. >> great beyond. the meeting is underway as we speak. we are having a great conversation. donald trump is right we need to deal with the debt ceiling and get off at the table to proceed what you needs to do without chuck schumer idling the markets to default. that is what chuck schumer has said publicly and people said he wants to do. president trump is right but the question is how do we get there? the first bill negotiated was a nonstarter and once the people saw everything ends 1,550 pages. we moved the needle forward to a better billing you asked why did i oppose the bill last night? 38 opposed it because it came with two year extension of debt ceiling which would be $5 trillion lift and the credit card without structural spinning reforms. so our position is,

mr. president we want to deliver for you on a debt ceiling increase to get it out of the way and chuck schumer can't abuse it, but we need spending restraints. what we have been doing for 48 hours is meeting with the vice president and meeting with a lot of folks incoming administration. i think we have the outlines of something that would work, that we are discussing as we speak. i think we can get something on that can make everybody happy and we are working hard to do it. >> john: talk about the outlines and a second that this debt ceiling and voting against the proposal that president trump was proposing and getting behind and supporting it. he is taking aim at you that you, chip roy, getting in the wake what he wants to get done and encouraging voters in texas to primary you. you have poked the bear here. speak with and that the day my job is to honor god, my family, constitution of the voters who sent me here. that is what drives me but i'm working tirelessly to get with the president wants and i

think the president knows that. at the hand of the day politics are politics rick perry called him a cancer and ended up in his cabinet. i'm not worried about politics but i'm more at about the american people go to inflation and $5 trillion debt increase. to block chuck schumer's obvious but we, republicans here in congress and the house have an obligation to get it done correctly peer to that is what we are working to try to do on f of the president and constituents and our obligation under the constitution. >> john: let's look behind the curtain if we cut a little bit because aishah hasnie tells us that the blimp options being talked about right now. when is acr coupled with disaster during barmaid effective through march. the vote would be suspension of the rules which limits debate no amendments or option number two coast cr disaster farm aid separate bills and separate votes and which way do you think it will go? >> that is what is being debated as we speak and i don't want to

get in front of my speaker or colleagues or violate confidence have a private meeting. everything hinges on getting comfortable with outlines and contours have spending restraint next year and reconciliation as part of the agreement how much we can lift the debt ceiling. i think we are getting comfortable with that outline as we speak. one or two things will happen, either the package last night without the debt ceiling attached to it will move forward because the president is comfortable we will be able to get that done in january. or if there might be stand-alone photon continue resolution plus farm bill extension of one year, separate though disaster package and barmaid package that that would be contingent also on where the president comes down recognition that we will be able to deliver in january if we can all agree as we are discussing right now on something that would make sure that mandatory spending restraint that when i say mandatory spending, i am talking about reconciliation

package under law. which by the way is a lot of things medicaid, food stamps, snap, all draw under that account. >> john: there is no question president trump wants to see suspicion of the debt ceiling at least through 2029 if not beyond. let me ask you this question congressman, two weeks from today all back on capitol hill voting for speaker of the house. what do you think about mike johnson right now? >> look, that is inside the beltway. mike is a good friend. he has been working through this. obviously a couple of rough weeks. we will figure that stuff out. we need to get this package down and figure it out for the american people and we need to deliver. we will be able to figure out the next two weeks what we will do in january. i don't like to get into all that that's that's. i want to do is deliver. we need to make sure we get the debt ceiling them for the present and we need to adopt spending restraint and we need to figure out what we need to do to fund government and the

constraints of what i just described periods periods bill and whether john kevin mccarthy or mike j mike johnson, speaker of the hoe republican side certainly seems to have a difficult time e conference. congressman, thank you very much and we will let you get back into the meeting we hope to have results later today. >> merry christmas to you, johnny and shannon, god bless. >> john: merry christmas to you and pass along merry christmas, shannon. >> shannon: it might be near christmas if i can get the deal done by midnight. they did this every time and as i said at the top of the show, we cover this stuff so many times. they set that to land is to motivate the members and 10-14 day thing or longer, always meant to be pressure cooker because they want to get on the flights and get out of there and go home. >> john: it is like my son and history homework. speed to the deadline is coming. >> john: somehow he has better billing at one hour to get it

done before the deadline man if he did it two weeks prior and i'm not quite sure why. he is 13 and can be forgiven. stated this is what congress has low approval rating any institution of the country. they are in the teens because we know we could not run budgets and check beds at home the way they do but we wish them luck. >> john: we will keep a close eye what is going on across the street to see what happens. now this. ♪ ♪ >> what do we want? what do we want? >> shannon: has this theme teams to strike against amazon. another big walk out under way and could affect some of your last minute holiday shopping. >> john: plus eeo murder suspect luigi mangione back in new york city facing new charges. criminal defense attorney hansen will explain why the death penalty is now on tha.e table. en

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>> john: breaking moments ago, lowing into a group of people christmas market eastern new jersey. it appears to be deliberate. a number of people as we understand have been injured. they were some reports as many as 11 people killed. the driver of the vehicle according to german authorities is in custody. you might remember in 2016, a truck piled into a christmas market and that was central berlin killing 12 people and injuring some 50. according to politico e.u. earlier this month, german authorities forward a terrorist attack a christmas market after a tip from foreign intelligence agency. we will watch this in the former east germany magdeburg and the

car apparently running into folks at a christmas market, something that appears may have been a deliberate act. we will keep an eye on it for you. man accused of killing unitedhealthcare ceo, brian thompson, hit the new charges. now luigi mangione could face the death penalty. alexis mcadams at the federal courthouse where it seems she has been for days now. where is mangione at this moment? >> pay, john, mangione is at a federal lockup brooklyn, new york, the same facility sean p diddy columns covering that case a lot going on when it comes to crime. we know mangione with the federal lockup coming to court any day as we wait for the federal indictment. i want to pull up the church is because we talk about the case a lot of charges. the four federal charges he's facing stocking, murder a gun with a silencer but the federal charge making headlines murder three years have a firearm.

why? it means mangione could face the death penalty. that is the one people are talking about. the 26-year-old facing a dozen state charges including first-degree murder. mangione's legal team say the cases conflict with each other but nothing much else to say coming out of court. watch. >> we will respectfully decline to make any comment at this time. mangione appreciates everyone's support. >> okay, so yesterday, john, ""america reports" it was live and mangione walking with federal, state, authorities and they wanted to show police presence because these are the same investigators that tried to track mangione down for a week and finally catching him in altoona, pennsylvania. take a look at your screen, he changed his outfit and put on some khakis and button-down shirt and a sweater we are told sitting between his legal team. mangione reading through the paperwork telling the judge he

understood the charges. the police said he planned his attack for months. we were trying to figure out how much planning went into this. in the documents he wrote in october, "the details are finally coming together. the target is entranced and checked every box" he killed unitedhealthcare ceo, brian thompson. thompson a pad of two kids and a business trip in new york and a couple of days and a real conference at the hotel midtown which is why the police say mangione in new york city in the first place stocking content and trying to figure out his exact whereabouts with a health care conference going on. back out here live, mangione behind bars in brooklyn and same lock up where p diddy has that same law firm represented him. we will see all this plays out in if they have anything else to say, john. >> john: strange bedfellows, alexis mcadams, shannon. >> shannon: criminal defense

hannah hansen and this case unfolds by the hour. i want to read something from the suspect's attorney talking about these two different tracks with state and federal charges. they say that theory in the manhattan d.a. case in conflict with opposite to the theory that is here being brought by the u.s. attorney's office. state versus fed. they talk about terrorism potentially influencing a group of people and sucking an individual. that is the theory and two completely different theories and these seem like different cases. heather, had to you proceed with different tracks and obviously they want to come up with what they can but how did these investigations work together? >> they don't have to work together. the state and the feds are two different sovereignties under the law. 2019 supreme court case that the state and the feds can bring charges for the same act. now, normally, they do work together because they want to make sure to get a conviction.

but they don't have to. the defense attorney basing this an issue, yes, it makes it more confusing. >> john: hang on a second because baker johnson has taught me after the house conference broke out. >> the disaster victims all over the country and making sure military and essential services and everyone who relies on the federal government is paid over the holidays and i will give you more details in just a few moments. >> reporter: have you talked to president-elect trump? >> john: it was very brave but there will not be a government shutdown which shannon, an indication an agreement among caucus members to get this through today. >> shannon: we got the tail end of what he was saying that the farm bill and funding for disaster relief and those horrible hurricane storm's depleted. the funds there they wanted to get that done. we also mention paid through the holidays because we know members at the military would not get paid over christmas if this

happened, this government shutdown. we don't know the contours have this but more details to come. it looks like they have something to head this out before the deadline. >> john: procedural hurdles to get through as well because they would not be able to vote until after midnight unless they gaveled the session and gavel in a new legislative day labor today. do you have two days in one. you think life isn't moving fast enough as it is with two legislative days into one. let's go back to what you were talking about. >> shannon: heather hansen and defense attorney, you can have federal and state charges against a defendant. >> yes, you can and impact, often times it does happen and not completely unheard of that in 2019 the supreme court addressed this issue but what is interesting in this case, shannon, there is a death penalty part of this case. new york is not a death penalty state. new york, the death penalty would not be available, but the feds can bring death penalty claim and as stated earlier in

this segment, actually has been brought. back is where it can get interesting. >> shannon: it's put up the federal charges and state charges, the difference in what those are and federal charges stalking murder through use of a firearm using weapon equipped with silencer and many other charges brought under new york state law. as those proceed on those two tracks, we got this, the government putting this forward approach we had a plan, luigi mangione to whack a ceo appear to this came from an outlook in the indictment. the notebook describes intent to whack the ceo of insurance companies at its investors conference has described octobes before the date of the murder. it seems that this is all accurate and laid out in the indictment, he wanted to be caught at some point. he was, you know, putting together how his case and why he was going to do it and providing the motives as well. >> yes, he will have a very

difficult time. and his attorneys will have a difficult time coming up with a defense here. the only reported defense might be some sort of lack of mental capacity. the way it is laid out so perfectly in his journals and in his own writing will make it very difficult. listen, if there is a federal death penalty on the table, and that will be up to the department of justice, which will change with the new administration. but if that is on the table a plea deal is most likely resolution here. but it will make more confusing for the defense to fight with the state and the fed up the same time. >> shannon: heather hansen, we appreciate insights in the midst of breaking news. thank you so much a merry christmas. >> merry christmas to you, shannon, thank you. >> john: speaker house mike johnson said we will appoint a government shutdown. they were as gyrations they have to go through to get it done and of course and of course nothing is done until it is done. but we will watch it through the

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♪ ♪ >> john: house speaker mike johnson says he does have an agreement among republicans and a spending bill to avoid government shutdown. he says there will be a vote today. whether it is successful at something else because we thought we had an agreement yesterday. the panel congressional budget office, and former economic advisor to president obama and fox news contributor. doug, don bacon coach a republican from nebraska, this is the same daily yesterday wit. do you think that will pass? >> well, as i understand it, not only is it same components by three separate votes. they will vote -- it is all rolled into one. back to one vote. >> john: according to bacon,

anyways. >> this seems to be a moment of coherence because up until now they mixed together two entirely different strategies and one is to take it to next year and get off the debt. taking off the debt ceiling, clearing fedex, taking things to next year with short-term disaster relief and that makes sense. >> john: we will see if it goes through here till the way that we got to where we are today is something i want to talk to you about because this is the new world of doge and the power of elon musk and vivek ramaswamy to porch not just public opinion but what is actually going on in congress on wednesday, musk and vivek ramaswamy ripping up one down and trump got the nails and drove them home. is this the new world and congress has to deal with for the next couple of years? >> i hope not. you and i have chatted and sandra and i support doge and i like the idea of cutting waste. the chance of cutting

$2 trillion is zero but anytime you can cut waste is a positive. i agree with doug to disaster relief but i hope pdf cancer is included to. but i don't like the last 24 hours it is all via x and relationship between elon musk and incoming president trump they should be calling mike johnson and we should not have this volatility going into the holiday season with their military will be paid to. so listen, there is never a good time to have a government shutdown. 2013 a full shutdown when obama in office and was not good. partial shutdown 2018 under president trump and know when lance with a government shutdown. spill and the fact is over the point that musk using x and i know you don't like that idea. this is a tweet put out yesterday with original cr with a bust built to be voted on last

night and the size difference between the two of them, doug, this reminds me my old colleague bill plante did back in the 1980s where a live shot out on the mall surrounded by piles of paper. he said this is the legislation that congress wants people to pass without reading. it is a very effective tool but musk can do it in a split second. >> and i think you've honed in on the real power of doge. it has no authorities have its own. it cannot impose regulation or change the scope of the government, but it can bring a powerful spotlight on issues. musk has done that effectively sell bark. that is its real power. we know cut spending in the federal program that people are unwilling to do it. can you change that through sheer power of shining a light on it? so far it has been effective but he could get all of knows a forward in a year the same impact as yesterday? i don't know.

i want to say that one lesson i think they got up at this is not a good one. this is the team, house coaches and a, the white house claims it will pass a budget resolution and pass reconciliation bills and get it done in 100 days. they can't get this done in real time so i am quite nervous the effectiveness of governance 2025. >> john: you would think they got all three branches of government and things would sail through but that may not be the case. let me come back and put a button on this because talking about musk, a completely different type of guy think congress dealing with an intentionally wrecked cars to learn from them and blows up rockets and says that is a great learning experience. this guy has no fear. his only driving force is to get it done. i think that will shake up people across the street. >> here is what i would say, no one will question the brilliance of elon notes appear to look at tesla and spacex. by the way, i tweeted elon musk

and vivek ramaswamy two days before the continuing resolution was like an early christmas gift. i don't have an issue they are on top of it trying to get it slimmed down aspect. i don't mind that picture a there appeared to the point is, all the extra, you know, hundref tweets somewhere not factual. so i would say when you have the power that he has to reach hundreds of millions of people in about a second, i think we should make sure it is factual. the last thing i want to say, the debt ceiling was brought up and duck was brought it up too. i have been in support of reading the debt ceiling, but i don't think a year and a half or two years. a president can balloon deficits and debts. if we read the debt ceiling, let's read it for good because all anyone uses is a tool to kind of bully their way to get something more pork end. so i would say we should have a real conversation about that in 2025. >> periods feeling that butyou s

donald trump and elizabeth warren. politics is strange bedfellows. robert, good to spend time with you and merry christmas to you all. >> thank you all. speed to starbucks employees up holiday strike today over a wage increases where it is happening and why it could spre.

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>> john: it is a busy time of year for shoppers but also those in charge of getting rid of all of the stuff the holidays produce. a recycling center in california is offering help with the help of ai-powered robot. who better to tell us about this financing your new correspondent william la jeunesse in sandy springs california. william. >> you know, john we as a

country have been doing this for 40 years and 70% of garbage still goes in the landfill appeared to everything you put in the blue or green pen ends up and has to be sorted. but it is time consuming. but robots are making that more efficient. >> it goes back to education and enforcement. we have to get people to recycle and do a better job at it. >> some states better than others and vermont rank the top but national recycling rate is only 32%. >> americans consume a lot more material between thanksgiving and new year's up 25% more than average. >> paper recycled though most by aluminum, and the plastic the least according to epa, just 13% recycled. the rest ends up in the landfill. >> there is huge amount of and recycled, a lot of plastic. >> the problem is so many

different kinds of plastic and difficult to recycle. >> recycling is a working progress in the united states. >> they may have an answer, a robot with ai to sort what is recyclable from what is not. it is a pepsi. >> that is important because the contamination with wet paper or cardboard, dirty glass or aluminum cans, those items cannot be recycled. who is to blame for the situation? the government had a lousy job educating the public. consumers are careless and industry labeling is misleading. just because you see a triangle on the bottom does not mean that item is recyclable. >> right, so christmas and is, john cardboard wrapping paper is okay as long as not coded. no tinsel no styrofoam, peanuts, plastic bags, no bubble wrap in all of that simply slows the process down and contaminates

the waste stream. back to you. >> john: no partridge in a pear tree. william la jeunesse, thank you, shannon. >> shannon: workers in seattle walked off the job with a 5-they strike. it could spread to hundreds of stores across the country by christmas eve. how is that for timing? dan springer in seattle, what is historical about? >> you know, shame and it is always about money. more money is what they are saying here. so this is an important time of year for starbucks, busy holidays and as you mentioned cities of chicago, los angeles tampa headquarters in seattle are important markets. they have the where the the workers voted in the union but outside picketing while managers try to filled pair shoes and we have not seen customers go inside so this is an impact on business. it is limited because the vast

majority, 97% of starbucks stores are not unionized. in effect only 33 union stores in all of washington state and 35 across the u.s. with 11,000 0 union baristas. workers united said five-day strike will spread to hundreds of stores outside of the three cities after today. the union started organizing starbucks 2021. than to coast sides have not agreed on a contract. one was supposed to get them by the end of the year. >> we are willing to be out here on christmas and we are serious about meeting until it is settled as soon as possible. we are not going to settle for less than an accessible acceptable offer on those arguments. >> a statement starbucks said workers united proposals call for immediate increase in minimum wage of our leap partners by 64% and by 77% over the life of a three year contract. this is not sustainable."

the union disputes those numbers and say misleading but would not tell what demands are up that starbucks said average pay is over $18 an hour and the company has one of the most generous benefits package in the industry pumping compensation $30 an hour for everyone working 20 hours a week. for striking paris' templo said that is not enough. no contract, no copy is what i'm hearing from them. get your latte somewhere else, i guess. >> shannon: eight are doing that at a critical time of the year. thank you for the details. >> john: an update, breaking moments ago, reports of a car plowing into a group of people in a christmas market in germany. local media says it appears to be deliberate. that town magdala berg southwest of berlin here till we are getting a couple of still photos from the scene there. you can see an ambulance and large police presence as well. they are do not appear to be

barricades in that photo at least between the street and christmas market itself. you may think following an incident 2016 in central berlin where a truck ran through christmas market killing 12 people that they might have taken greater precautions with vehicular traffic. we hear a number of people injured. some reports as many as 11 people may have been killed, but that is unconfirmed at this moment. so we can, getting to the still pictures from germany, a christmas market where a vehicle ran into a christmas market. the driver is in custody. number of people injured and there may have been fatalities. we will keep an eye on this but in the meantime, we will be right back. d ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪)

♪ ♪ >> shannon: breaking moments ago we brought you news reports coming in of a car crashing into a group of people gathered at take christmas market in eastern germany. local media says it appears to be deliberate. we have some photos, john, gathering more information. i was in europe last week. these are very popular and people love to get out there make. they are very few in towns and cities barricades. you are walking among shops,

tends, hud's, very festive but we don't know who this was and whether intentional or not but it would certainly be potential target for somebody if they intended to do harm. >> john: there is no question about that. as you said, no barricades between the street and the market itself if someone had ill intent, quite easy to do a lot of damage. this follows again the massive attack deliberate running down people 2016 christmas market central berlin was packed with people, 50 people injured and 12 killed. our alex hogan is in london and she is looking into all of this and joins us now. alex, do we know if this was, indeed, a deliberate attack? >> hi, john, we don't have that confirmation right now. the question is what is the extent of the damage in terms of casualties and people injured? it is important to think also about the context of what this

was. these christmas markets are really a pillar in a lot of the german towns where people go to spend their evenings and it is the week before christmas. people would be there and large numbers not only to buy gifts but to have food and to walk around. we have footage coming and now that shows just the widespread extent of the ambulances that have showed up. the police are on the scene. we have seen the latest report from the police saying this is an ongoing investigation. it is very active. they shut down the market in the center of the town. do we know from local reports this driver allegedly drove into the crowd photo plowing through people on his way or her way to the city center. so it can, a lot of questions what exactly that would mean. but again this triggers a lot of painful memories of the attack happening in berlin two days ago

that was the anniversary, as you mentioned, 12 people died and another person, the 13th died five years after that because of long-standing injuries that they had suffered. even though 13 people died in that attack, more than 50 people wounded. you can imagine in a crowd of people having a car plow through that and whether this was potentially an accident or the driver lost control of the vehicle. if this was an act of terror, which the police are continuing to investigate a lot of questions tonight. but of course, alarming and tragic situation. >> john: do we know anything about the vehicle and kind of what rate of speed it was traveling at? when it ran into the market? there was some video circulating online unverified at this point, but they were does appear to be a vehicle traveling at a very high rate of speed. >> we have heard local reports this vehicle traveling

high-speed towards the center city where this christmas market was. that video we are still trying to verify if, indeed, real. it appears it was sped up by even without that knowledge of this would be an alarming speed to be driving any time you have pedestrians anywhere near a vehicle let alone driving straight into a crowd. and again, they will be a lot of questions trying to identify what they know about the intentions have the driver. local reports say the person is in custody. we have heard from local police on the ground they released a report. they will continue to release more information. this is again, two hours outside of berlin. they will be an enormous amount of presence with journalists, more police to descend on the region as we speak. >> shannon: alex, shannon is here and i was going to ask the question whether they had someone in custody because ap is

reporting german news agency said they did arrest the driver of the car, which seem to eventually be giving us answers. with that person's surviving or whatever happened, health issue, deliberate, it seems that is a good think they will be able to talk to the suspect and determine what the motive was if there was one. we are seeing a lot of ambulances, which you would expect to turn to a scene but so many people on site. any word about casualties? >> we have heard some initial reports but nothing confirmed at this point and we want to make sure, of course, only reporting the numbers we can verify. give him the footage again that we are seeing that potentially we don't have that fully verified just yet that having a car driving at this speed into a crowd to, it would be surprising if we are not going to hear a growing number of people who have been wounded if not worse. as you mentioned the, it is a

good think this person is in custody according to local reports. they will have those local conversations in different from the case you were talking about earlier in 2016 that driver a tunisian man fled the scene and later killed by italian police after the man her. the search for this driver really spread across countries and across europe. so having this person potentially in custody will hopefully get some answers and the short term. >> john: is there any indication i knelt early moments after this happened that if this was a deliberate act, was it potentially tied to terror? was it just an isolated incident? could it have been some sort of individual grades announce? is there anything on the front at this point? >> the police have not given comments about that specifically that that as you mentioned immediately where people's minds are going to give then we have

seen not only rammings christmas markets but in general in germany. unfortunately, this is something that does happen. we heard from local officials last month saying there were no specific threats, specifically to christmas markets. i bring that up to show you much a part of the community of these markets are. they are not just a fun event for people to go to every once in a while. they are typically in the middle of the center and take up streets or whole corners of the city and something children, teenagers, adults who frequent in large numbers especially awake before the christmas holiday given this again is a christian holiday, a christian festive market that is open to anyone. but it does raise those concerns, this can be a religiously motivated to. >> shannon: alex, ap also reporting german interior minisr nancy facer had said last month

there were no concrete indications of a danger to christmas markets, but always wise to be vigilant. had you heard anything, at any spot in europe, where there was additional caution, given what happened in the past about people being out and about in places that really don't have barriers? >> absolutely. i think anywhere you go there is unfortunately that fear in people's minds now, if there is not a barrier, are you safe? do you need to have that in your mind? unfortunately it is just a reality after seeing so many of these types of events, whether they are rammings or a knife attack, if they are shootings in different countries, depending on where you are, there's a different threat level of what that type of attack might be, and unfortunately this is just the situation that we are seeing play out now, shannon. >> john: alex hogan for us in london with the latest. we should point to a "politico" e.u. report, this was from earlier this winter, december the 6th, actually, that

said that in bavaria, there was an alleged terror plot that might have been perpetrated by a 37-year-old iraqi immigrant who had photographed the market in augsburg and discussed driving a car through it. authorities took him into custody, and they're looking into it. don't know if there is any connection between that and this. the incident that was perpetrated in 2016 was inspired by isis, but we do not know what might, if anything, is behind this. we don't even know at this point if it is a deliberate act or not. >> shannon: we don't. there will be many, many questions in the days to come. these markets are all across europe. you have to think folks at those are wondering tonight and in the days to come if they should be out there celebrating and if they can do so safely. >> john: what a tragic thing as we head into the heart of the holiday season. thank you for being with us today. we will see you on monday. i'm john roberts. >> shannon: i'm shannon bream. >> shannon: nine with martha maccallum starts now. >> martha: all right