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i'm ready to go. and a red dress. thank you. i'm. i'm anita vogel in los angeles. sandra has the day off. house speaker mike johnson could be at risk of losing his gavel, his allies are urging trump to intervene but even the president-elect may not be able to save him. >> narrowly averted a government shutdown last week by passing a funding bill at the 11th hour for the botched bill failed to meet donald trump's demands, it eliminated or at least raising the debt ceiling, upsetting many in his own party. a razor-thin majority, johnson has little room. >> anita: democrats warned they won't bail out speaker johnson again. can he aim onto the gavel? senior national correspondent aishah hasnie with the details but it's beginning to feel like groundhog day. >> it does. feels like kevin mccarthy all over again. 38 republicans, really there's

no guarantee that they would all fall in line on a speaker's vote. johnson is facing some pretty tough map. republicans have a very, very slim majority. 219-215 heading into the new year which means he can really only afford to lose one republican. right now congressman thomas massie is that one republican. he says he will vote for someone else. congresswoman victoria spartz is undecided and in-house freedom caucus chairman andy harris also undecided and that's probably johnson's biggest problem right there. could open the door to other freedom caucus members opposing him as well. plenty of republicans don't like this at all and they say the speaker drama cut up and the president's agenda. >> members of the house recognize donald trump took a bullet to the head. he survived these lawsuits. the greatest comeback in political history and the american people gave him a mandate. we need to back president trump and if president trump is going to back johnson, i'm sure he

will be the speaker. >> we'll see. johnson survived a motion to vacate back in the spring and it was really because of democrats. this time democrats will not be coming to aid him so we could see situation here where johnson needs to make some deals with some of these holdouts in order to get those. he needed his conference to be united. >> anita: are there backups or front runners lined up? should it not work out for johnson? >> not yet. there isn't anybody else who has put their name out there just yet. last time around we did see names pop up like jim jordan, judiciary chairman. also steve scalise. byron donalds name was floated out there as well. people will if they oppose johnson will have to put up names because you can just vote no against johnson. you have to vote for someone. we will see names out there. elon musk has been floated as

well for speaker of the house. >> anita: heard that one. all right, aishah hasnie, thank you so much. merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas to you. >> john: that's the republican side of the aisle. now this, strategists are sounding the alarm after the democrats brutal november loss. experts admit that branding is "in the toilet," adding when the strategy is to go against the party. senior political analyst juan williams. here's what "the new york times" wrote after a chat with democratic strategists. "the democrat brand is in the toilet. the democrat brand is in the toilet. many democrats who succeeded this cycle are best over performers in house races are people who ran against the democratic party brand. the best way to win is a candidate is to run against your own party, it's that bad."

republicans ran with trump and won. democrats who ran against the party won. democrats who ran with the party to some degree lost. what does that say? >> i think what it says is the incumbent party here, the democrats, the biden administration represented the status quo and people were saying we want some change and i think that's kind of the assessment from all political strategists conservative or liberal at this juncture. if you're talking about policy, i think you are seeing hope for democrats, on an issue like abortion most of the countries with the democrats but then you go to things like workers' rights, social security, medicare. that's going to be a big issue. how about a tax cut. how big is it tax cut? republicans going to have to argue with each other about that in the house, that's part of johnson's trouble. that's what he saw 38 republicans go against the deal johnson had struck. i think on a lot of the policy

issues democrats have to emphasize that in fact if you think not about biden and the status quo but about the future you may have some common ground with democrats. >> john: be that as it may, here is joe manchin's assessment of the democratic party. >> i am not a democrat, with the democratic party has turned itself into, the national brand, absolutely not. the brand got so bad. the d brand has been so maligned, it's toxic. >> john: samantha, it's toxic. that's a pretty bleak assessment for a guy who up until very recently was a dyed in the wool democrat. >> i would say the democrats were nowhere to be found on policy this year. the twin pillars of the democrat party brand this theater were local identity politics were so destructive to the culture and weaponization of government against folks they didn't agree

with. on every substantive policy issue that voters said they cared about, democrats were completely out of touch and they had policies that were actually making those issues worse. open borders, adding $8 trillion to the deficit, passing essentially agree new deal through congress and calling it an inflation reduction act and i think if the democrat party wants to survive they are going to have to get rid of, they're going to have to stop being beholden to the most progressive parts of their party and move the party to the center. this is a center right country that's wants to see common sense solutions. >> john: in terms of moving away from the far left of the party gets the far left the party that is embracing joe biden's decision to commute the death sentences of 37 of 40 prisoners who are on death row. many people are scratching their heads saying how and why would he do that? was it actually him who did it or was it other people? it is leading the families of the victims of some of these heinous murderers outraged. why would he do that, juan?

>> in terms of what you're talking about, the culture war politics, it's easy to attack biden in the democrats is too far left on this. but if you think about it from a catholic point of view is we are discussing this on christmas eve, you should know that the pope was pushing president biden to do it. >> john: why did the only commute 37 of 40? >> that's whe hypocry comes in and my view. if you say the death penalty can be unfair in its application, the judicial system, judges, i can say fair in any case? what biden tried to do was say there were some egregious cases such as the boston bombing, such as the synagogue in pittsburgh, the church, we will go with it. it opens the door to the charges of hypocrisy. >> john: one murder took the life of lexi roberts' mother and shot her four times and slashed

her throat. where do you draw the line? >> it's completely corrosive to the rule of law, the justice system in this country that biden's cherry-picking criminals and deciding which are going to get a different outcome. the principle of the rule of law as we all know with the laws are and they are apply the same way to everybody regardless of who you are and if i'd wanted to take a principled stand against the death penalty because he's catholic, then why he would he leave out three or four of these inmates and give them a different outcome. i would also say this is a political loser for biden. both sides are unhappy with how he handled it. republicans are saying we are in the middle of a public safety crisis. you have just released a bunch of murderers. democrats are saying -- >> i think it's tough for people who are pro-life to say yeah, we don't care about, go ahead and kill them. that's a tough sell for republicans. >> john: but now he is saying kill three of them. >> the rule of justices and courts who saw the facts in the cases and made the sentence. >> john: we will see where

this goes from here. lots more to talk about. samantha, juan, merry christmas. see you in the new year. appreciate it. now this. >> [bleep] stealing is a felony. >> anita: imagine that, accused shoplifters stunned by california's new laws, although blue states cracking down on theft coming up. >> john: imagine that. you can't bring a lot to get away with it. a venezuelan gang terrorizing apartment complex in colorado city. by law enforcement is struggling to identify them. national security expert joseph kumar joins us next.

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showing a nicu shoplifter shocked to learn she may face a felony charge for theft. seven, if any department reminding folks about the law that cracks down on low level theft. matt finn live in los angeles to explain this. memo to shoplifters. you can now be. >> that's right. you know if you're in california, we have reported on countless cases of brazen theft. shoplifter with no significant cards with his. last month california voters overwhelmingly approved a new law, prop 36, it rolls back criminal justice reform policies that co critics say led to overwhelming crime. police and prosecutors have more leeway to charge crimes as felonies. this video from orange county. three women walk into an alto booties store casually stealing whatever they want, not even trying to conceal stolen goods.

the woman are surprised when police run up on them and arrest the thieves. take a listen as the police camera captures two young women talking about the shock that they were arrested for a felony. >> it's a felony? [bleep] laws. stealing is a felony. orange county. >> the three women were booked into an orange county jail on charges of grand theft, conspiracy to commit a crime, and resisting arrest. yesterday in bakersfield, california, dustin towery pleaded not guilty to stealing two scooters from a target store. before prop 36, he could only be charged with a misdemeanor but the d.a. can and did charge this man with a felony in part because he had six prior convictions for stealing and history of skipping out on court appearances. >> had it been before the

passage of prop 36 he would have been given if caught which he resisted arrest if coffee would have been given a citation and a promise to appear. now because of the voters of this man is in custody and can't steal again at least for a wh while. >> because of that man's criminal past the judge ordered him held in jail without bail. something that would not have been possible just a few weeks ago here in california. john. >> john: it's a whole new world out there. matt finn from los angeles. thank you. anita. >> anita: john, delete venezuelan gang now terrorizing americans in at least 19 states from coast-to-coast most recently the transnational gang is suspected in a horrific home invasion in aurora, colorado. law enforcement is enhancing measures to crack down on tda but is still struggling to identify them. let's bring in joseph, executive director of the center for the secure free society to discuss

this. joseph, merry christmas, thanks for coming in today. we are hearing more and more about tda and as i mentioned they are now in 19 states across the country. let's put up a map to look at where they are. there you go. from coast-to-coast, california to new york and many places in between, most recently up couple was kidnapped from that notorious apartment complex in aurora, colorado. they were taken to a vacant unit, tied up, pistol-whipped and the husband was stabbed. these are pretty brutal crimes. why are law enforcement officials having ident trouble identifying them? >> merry christmas as well. tren de aragua caught law enforcement by surprise because it's getting that has concealed themselves throughout latin america by blending in with other transnational criminal organizations. that was before.

they started to franchise their name throughout the region. what makes them even more dangerous is the fact that they are sponsored by a state. they have state sponsorship from the venezuelan government and that provides enhanced capabilities. that's why they are spreading like wildfire. not just tda members with tattoos and gang members we catch along the border, it's also venezuelan intelligence operatives that you have to be on the lookout for because this is a counterintelligence problem as well that could be eating and facilitating these tda members to spread throughout the region and that's how they did it in other countries. south america they carried out targeted assassinations in places like chile. sophisticated capabilities backed by a government. >> anita: i want to take a listen to the aurora police chief talking about the difficulty in identifying these gang members. let's listen. >> tda gains when they don't self identify as a real challenge to try to say 100% you are a gang member. bodie look at the circumstances

of this, and you look at the events of this, you look at the individuals involved, when you look at the veracity and violence involved. it's not a big step to say there tda members. >> anita: does it help is this gang is being classified as a transnational criminal organization? how does that help authorities? >> it certainly helps elevating the priority among u.s. national security and law enforcement, intelligence. i would go a step further. call them criminal organizations with a or and they are these communities. i goes beyond illicit activities for fund-raising. to strike fear into the hearts of the neighborhoods in which they attack. with the new club administration, if you look carefully what they are saying, the border czar tom homan, secretary of state nominee mark rubio, the first legislator to call for tren de aragua to be

designated as a transnational criminal organization. they are saying that it's a tier one national security threat. i think you're going to see them designated as a terrorist organization. >> anita: these are definitely acts of terrorism going on that we are hearing about. hopefully it changes in the new year. thank you so much for coming in today. merry christmas to you. >> always a pleasure. merry christmas to you as well. >> john: anita, controversy continues over the firing of struggle public school top official. could democrat mayor brandon johnson be forced to resign as result? bill bennett with his reaction. >> anita: holiday travel rush in full swing, as a tech issue brings american airlines flights to a halt. we are going to go live to lax next.

>> anita: breaking news details after u.s. navy fighter jet was shot down over the

red sea. we are now learning that a second fighter jet narrowly avoided the same fate. military sources say it was friendly fire incident. for more on the story, stephanie bennett is live in london for us. hi, stephanie. >> hey, anita. sources tell fox the navy pilots are obviously angry about this incident and are questioning the training aboard the us uss gettysburg, calling it insufficient. according to that source with knowledge of the incident, the f-18 hornet flying behind the hornet that was shutdown was forced to take evasive maneuvers after missile was fired. missing the second jet by 100 feet while preparing land aboard the aircraft carrier harry s. truman. official confirmed a second missiles fired adding that the navy is investigate and whether it was starting the second jet. they are also looking into

whether the uss gettysburg switched off the guidance system on the second vessel. on the night of the friendly fire incident u.s. central command said in a statement on x and its forces conducted precision air strikes against a missile storage facility in a command-and-control facility operated by iran-backed houthis in yemen and i haven't been other strikes against the houthi incident on the truman. it happened days after the carrier group arrived. on the night the american warships came under fire which may have been driven into the friendly fire incident, they say. neither u.s. central command nor the pentagon have said that a second american fighter jet was fired upon but hopefully we'll get some more answers to a lot of these questions soon. anita. >> anita: so many questions. stephanie bennett live in london for us. thank you, stephanie. john. >> john: joining us by phone now is the former commander and

commander of pacific forces retire admiral bill fallon. admiral, obviously there's going to be a huge investigation and what happened in the red sea early sunday morning because these blue on blue incidents are just the worst. you ask any pilot. they are terrified of them. >> john, it's very challenging. the environment out there is rough. there has been a lot of armament flying through the air. i have no knowledge whatsoever of the details of this of that than what i have seen in the media but i can tell you from mike sprint it's a challenging situation that requires close to -- tension vertically when you have aircraft that appeared to be coming back from a striker connected to potential strengths returning to the friendly forces, those that are defending the carrier and the other assets. want to make sure to the best of their ability no bad actors get through and some tensions are high.

i would note that this, the fellows involved in this, people are relatively new on station so typically it takes a little bit of time to get settled into the situation. it's been going on for quite a while. think about it, over a year now, a lot of heavy action back and forth. it's challenging. of course there are procedures in place to try to mitigate these situations. but unfortunately from time to time mistakes are made. >> john: thankfully the occupants of the aircraft were unharmed. they managed to punch out just three seconds they think before the missile hit them. they realize this thing was not going to turn away. it was coming right for them so they hit the eject levers. but talk about systems that are in place, to prevent this, there's a system the navy employees which is supposed to identify, it's like the old iff codes. speak a little bit different. it's way for aircraft to communicate back and forth. aan end my ex brains procedures

are in place when ships are returning to the carrier protectively in a combat environment. they follow certain radio and flight procedures to try to minimize the danger of being mistaken for an enemy aircraft. >> john: what needs to happen within the carrier strike group in response? >> i think it will depend on what actually happened. i have no knowledge of the details. they will sort it out i'm sure sooner than later. decide what it is they didn't go right, that might have gone wrong. they will press to ensure that the correct procedures are followed and if there's any doubt about decision-making to reiterate what the rules are and how to execute, that's the critical thing. actually getting -- everybody knows what it's supposed to happen but getting it done in the heat of battle in a time of high tension

particularly since the houthis have been throwing all kinds of stuff against these ships. they've had a couple close calls with inbound weapons they had to defend against. i understand and not surprisingly people are pretty nervous. they are on edge. it requires cool professionalism and i'm sure they're going to revisit that and institute procedures and have backups to try to mitigate any of this from happening again. >> john: thankfully there was no loss of life. we'll see what the investigation brings about. admiral, thank you for joining us on short notice. fox, wish you and your family a merry christmas. >> merry christmas to you, john. >> john: thank you. anita. >> anita: a hectic christmas eve so far the airports across the nation. american airlines grounding fights for about an hour earlier this morning over a technical issue. the ground stopped leading to lingering delays. fox business' max gorden is live

at lax. how are things looking? looks pretty good behind you, not too much chaos. >> hey there, anita. folks hustling off their holiday destinations. we are here at lax terminal 7 which services most united flights in and out of the airport and yeah, things are pretty orderly. you can see behind me the general screening for the security line. the line has been pretty lengthy at times but right now as you can see not a huge weight. it was pretty touch and go earlier this morning for american airlines passengers. this morning the airline had a one-hour ground stop. this was due to tech issues from all the ground stop has been lifted. some travelers concerned about the ripple effects. >> i woke up and read the news and saw there was a ground stop for about an hour and it was lifted so hopefully every thing should be good. waking up at 5:30 is stressful, knowing lax and what they do here. america says it's under control i've got to believe them.

>> taking a look at the flight aware misery map tracking delays and cancellations and we are seeing significant delays in dallas, charlotte, miami, three american airlines hubs. we are seeing delays in chicago, washington, d.c., and new york. holiday travel season is expected to set records. according to aaa total of more than 119 million americans are expected to travel during the year and holidays. that's up to .8% over last year. aaa expense air travel to set a new record this holiday season with 7.85 million passengers flying. according to aaa the average domestic ticket is 830 bucks. international flights are averaging $1,630 a ticket. many are taking to the skies. most americans are getting to their holiday destinations on the road. according to aaa 90% of americans will be driving to their destinations and according to aaa today is actually pretty good data drive with relatively limited traffic in most metros but if you're coming to the airport or any airport across

the country, it's good to arrive early with plenty of time and be sure to check with your carrier ahead of time especially if you're flying american today. anita? >> anita: nothing worse than waking up to ground stop on christmas eve but glad to see the travelers are rolling through the -- with the punches. max gorden live at lax with us. merry christmas to you. speak a merry christmas. >> john: now this, a three-way power struggle underway in the city of chicago after the ousting of the chief executive of the city's public school system pedro martinez. public schools, teachers union and democratic mayor brandon johnson all at odds over contract negotiations. student test scores continue to plummet. bill bennis served as education secretary during the reagan administration and joins us. america smith to you and your family. things for being with us today. back in -- >> thank you. by the way, i am by the way the up score greek major you were

mentioning and disparaging earlier. >> john: i didn't mean to disparage anybody who is a greek philosopher pretty managed to make something of yourself regardless. >> a little bit. >> john: back in 1987 you called chicago public schools "the worst in the nation" and dubbed the state education bureaucracy "the blob. has it gotten any better? >> looked like it was getting better for a while. i think it did get better for a while but now looks like it's competing to be the worst again. those scores -- can you put them up? scores are terrible. >> john: reading score. 30.5%. math proficiency scores, 18.3%. third to eighth grade. elementary through middle sc school. that's abhorrent. >> it's abhorrent given how much they spend which is a ridiculous amount of money but let me tell you the one piece that they haven't talked about and that's what you just saw was the better

news than what i'm going to tell you. absenteeism, chronic absenteeism. 40% of the students who are supposed to be in school are not in school. they are even part of that nonprovisioned group. they are nowhere. nowhere to be found or at least not to be found in school. that means if school is nothing for them. they are afraid to go to school or they don't think anything interesting or important is happening at school. that's the disaster that is chicago and that is the leading absenteeism, chronic absenteeism rate in the united states. i'm afraid our other big cities have higher rates too. >> john: as all of this is going on, they decide to take pedro martinez. here's what he said. >> it's not about need. it's important we have a smooth transition to a new ceo instead of throwing everything into chaos in the middle of the school year.

it's not right. >> john: this dispute between him and the ctu and brandon johnson in the middle of the school year, is it disruptive to say the least? >> to say the least. this is the teachers union flexing its muscle all around. johnson, the mayor, was the teacher and then he became a union organizer. strike leader. the last people thought of in this equation are the children. the children who are missing and the children in school and not learning. this is a real disaster. they need to take over the schools and these kids need to have choices to get out and go to other schools. this is why i am part of a campaign to provide school choice all around the country for kids so they can get out of these where they are captive and get to someplace decent where they can learn to read and do math. >> john: that's a longer-term process. what can chicago do in the immediate term?

>> it's a quick term process. he could do right away. send them to charter schools. expand the opportunities. you can find schools that work. i went to chicago and saw a few schools that were working. doing they are doing. follow the work that's being done that's worth emulating. not the same old, same old. same old, same old is about expanding teachers contracts and increasing them, making them happy, not the fundamentals of what education is for: the kids. teach them how to read. >> john: and yet as all of that goes on, students still fail to meet their targets. bill, thank you for joining us today. >> maybe bring them home. you're welcome. merry christmas. >> john: merry christmas to you and your wife as well. what is it in greek? >> i don't know. [laughter]

sorry. >> john: i see the education paid off. >> feliz navidad, how is that? >> john: thank you. >> anita: u.s. forces destroy several asis targets inside syria just weeks after rebels toppled the decades-old assad regime. how should -- rebecca koffler is here and we will ask her next really? mine stinks. look. here. try secret whole body deodorant. it doesn't leave an icky residue. and it actually gives me 72 hour odor protection... everywhere. secret whole body deodorant.

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the country to the spiral into a terror state. rebecca koffler is a former defense intelligence agency officer, also the author of "putin's playbook." thanks for coming in. this is a troubling situation in syria. it sounds like there is a resurgence of ice is taking place after the collapse of the assad government who we know donald trump is an antiwar president. but in fact he was criticized back in 2018 for removing troops from syria by the democrats. what are his options here now? >> the first thing that must be done which is the central command is doing an excellent job of is to destroy and degrade the military capability in syria so that the terrorists cannot get their hands on it and decapitate the command-and-control structure

control structure which means eliminate the key leaders, right, who are the terrorists? the people who are in charge of syria today effectively terrorists. the head of syria is a terrorist with $10 million bounty on his head placed by the u.s. state department. he is the head of a terrorist organization designated as such by the united nations and the united states, united kingdom, and the e.u. and those are the people that are running the country so president trump needs to make sure that those people don't get their hands on the capabilities that become the united states or the rest of the world. >> anita: sounds like a bad

guy. curing reports he's forcing women to wear veils, making sure christmas decorations are being taken down. there's not christian population they are. it doesn't bode well for them. you write about this on foxnews.com. you write "president-elect trump's syria dilemma, intervene or let it turn into a terror state, close what you want to say "if left to its own devices, syria will highly likely turn into a terrorist state. this is a nation state run by terrorists and harboring terrorist groups, another afghanistan." exactly what you said. i do want to put up his response real quick on x. president-elect trump writes "syria is a mess but is not our friend. the united states should have nothing to do with it. this is not our fight. let it play out. do not get involved." your thoughts on that? >> yeah.

right now israel which is our ally is doing an excellent job destroying the military capability. they have conducted about 480 weapons reductions facilities, ammunition stockpiles. let them do their job. at some point it's quite feasible that the u.s. may need to get involved because we have a doctrine that we have been operating under for at least a quarter of a century called the forward defense. we try to eliminate the threat on the territory before it comes to the homeland but i have full confidence that president trump knows how to do it. remember in 2019 he eliminated a really, really dangerous guy,

al-baghdadi, by sending in special forces teams. president trump knows how to do it. >> anita: all right, rebecca. we'll see what happens in the new year. thank you for coming in today. merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas. >> john: anita, it's the greatest story ever told. bible sales blooming this christmas as americans returned to faith. bishop robert baron coming up next. ♪ ♪

>> get the economy going, the rate of crime. speak awfully the cost of groceries will come down and everybody be the best version of >> in the year 2020 we were at a

low watermark. that increase to 14-point to million last year and through october of this year, 13.7 so it's on track to beat that. why, bishop, do you think people are turning back to faith? >> they are looking for meaning and purpose. go back to the year 2000, the rise of the new atheists who had a big impact on a whole generation of young people. we don't come from anything, we are going nowhere, no value, no purpose in life. people might have gotten a kick out of the new atheists, give it to religion but that was investors that came out of that movement. when people came of age, they realize this gives me nothing. st. augustine knew this, but bible knew this, hungry for god. you've seen it reasserting itself, this great human passion for meaning and purpose. the bible is a great place to look. that generation has come of age, they are turning more and more

to the bible. >> anita: bishop, i wanted to ask you. this is anita vogel. when john put up the no doubt bible sales are booming. "the wall street journal" says this. the headline is, sales of bibles are fueled by first-time buyers and new versions. worries about the economy, conflicts abroad, uncertainty about the election pushed readers towards the publication in droves. that says to me when times are bad people are looking for the bible and meaning but what about when times are good? people might take the bibles and put them back up on the shelf. how do we get people to acknowledge the bible in good times? >> i will tell you exactly how. c.s. lewis knew this going to be the greatest cushion apologist of the last century. he said times where most hungry for god or the darkest times of life with the best times of life, the times of greatest success. we have realized our dreams.

what do we know precisely those moments that we are not finding the happiness that we ultimately seek? so in bad times, sure. we are seekingeaning. but even more so i would say in good times when you realize no matter how good we find it in this world, it's not enough to satisfy the longing of the heart. i don't really buy it that bad economy or whatever it is, the world is always kind of a mess. all of my life, we have these ups and downs and negative things in politics and economics. so it goes. i think what's perennial is in good times and bad, people are seeking for meaning and purpose and they're going to find it in the bible. >> john: it is the greatest story ever told. revelations kept me up a little bit at night. bishop, thank you so much. merry christmas to you. >> god bless you. merry christmas to both of you. >> john: merry christmas to all of you. i am john roberts. >> anita: i'm anita vogel.

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