>> all right. hello. this is "outnumbered." i'm tammy bruce. joining me, gerri willis, kaylee mcghee white and kara frederic, director of the tech policy center and griff jenkins. you know him, correspondent, so many other things. let's get started. president trump is planning a big crackdown on illegal immigration. surprise! the moment he gets in to office. now some counties are being granted limited powers by ice allowing them to identified illegals already in their jails. sounds like their job. brook taylor has the latest from dallas. brook? >> hi, tammy. yeah, the program is called 287 g. how it basically works is it

allows local and state law enforcement that run these jails to partner up with ice and thin specific officers, they're trained to then speak to anyone who is behind bars. ask them questions about their immigration status and if they are here illegally, then they can flag ice and let them know. so critics of this program, they say it creates a divide between immigrant communities and law enforcement. but supporters say you only need to look at the headlines to see why this is needed. this is surveillance footage you're looking at from a recent shootout in new orleans at a meat market. according to ice, one of the suspects involved was already facing criminal gun charges out of new york. this is something that we hear often. this is a few mug shots of illegal migrants that ice picked up the last few weeks. they already walked out of jails, released on bond where ice ignored or ice never notified.

the rockwell county sheriff here in texas, he's part of this 287 g program. he tells us he didn't want this happening in his community. >> the way that works is when someone is booked in on a crime that they have committed here locally or they may have a warrant from a local agency, they're booked in through the jail. if it's suspected that they're not u.s. citizen, then our trained 287 g staff will do a further investigation on it to figure out who they are. >> so after that happens, officers will then flag ice. then it's up to them to put an ice detainer on them or pick them up. right here in texas, 25 counties participate in this program. but with a new trump administration, more jails expected to join in on this. tammy? >> well, thanks very much for that. appreciate it.

griff, this sounds like their job. like there's some three numbers and a letter, g. it's their job making it sounds like it's a new concept. am i wrong here? >> this isn't new. this has been around a long time. 287 g is part of a 50-year-old immigration nationality act. that's where title 42 is, title 8 is. it's the immigration law for the country. what they're doing, tammy, there's available to any jurisdiction, any county in the country allowed to take the federal responsibility of immigration and transfer these specific powers inside jails to identify criminal migrants to better easily turn them over to ice for removal because it's the fed's job to remove them. it's fairly complicated things. two models of jail enforcement model and the warrant service officer which trains the local sheriffs and deputies to do this. ultimately at the end of the day, the point is that if you

identify criminal migrants in the jails that are already deemed ready to be deported and should be deported, it allows i'm this from being released back in the community. in places like san francisco, chicago, new york, time and time again, we see that ice has to learn after the fact that they were released, go in communities and find them. god forbid they commit other crimes. >> that's what we've seen, the spike, the nature of not cooperating. the sanctuary city dynamics this is the core of it. perhaps we're getting some change happening. >> some change. this is a low-hanging fruit that we were promised by president trump. president-elect trump. this makes all of the sense in the world. shouldn't it be the program used by counties and states all over the country. it is -- look here in new york city. we have really hit a wall with immigration. just last week, a woman was set on fire on a subway car. the man that did it was an illegal immigrant.

he sat and watched as she burned to death. this was astonishing. not just for people in new york city, the people all over the country. now folks want change. they want some kind of legal law enforcement. this seems to be like the most rationale and reasonable thing to do. >> the question now becomes, caley, it's one thing to do it voluntarily. what about the cities that are still vowing to say they're not going to cooperate? holman says he has plans for those cities. is there a way to make it harder on cities that don't cooperate? >> they can start by cutting their funding. new york city has spent $6 billion on funding for illegals, whether that is paying to house them, paying for jobs including an illegal immigrant that set a

woman on fire. you know, i don't think it's a coincidence that many of the counties that are participating in this program are direct border states that understand the concept of unfetedered mass migration most. texas, florida participates in this program. the other side, you have the sanctuary cities. you have the sanctuary states that refuse to listen to their citizens concerns about these issues. if there's one good thing to come out of this election cycle, americans got a glimpse in to how little the city officials, the state officials care about them. i think about when donald trump and j.d. vance brought up the case in springfield, ohio, which is about 30 minutes from where my own family lives in ohio. those citizens were extremely concerned about the influx of illegals. what did the democrats do? they dismissed it as a made-up story. they dismissed their concerns completely. meanwhile, the only people willing to listen were trump and vance. you know what? that is exactly what needed to

happen. people needed to understand who is willing to listen and advocate for them. >> it's interesting, cara. despite the election and despite it clear that americans responded to that message from trump and vance, there's this confusion with the democrats that they somehow have got to -- it's a new generation that they say they have to think about or this is all still fake. they just don't understand what has happened and they're in disarray. it's an easy answer, isn't it, when it comes to caring about your constituents and doing the right thing when it comes to crime in general. >> of course it is. some things are black and white. democrats love to live in the gray air. tom holman, the incorping border czar is taking a sophisticated tact here. he says we're going to triage the threat. we're going to take public safety threats and national security threats and prioritize them for mass deportations. they're listening to the everyday american to your family

to my family in southern california that delivered this mandate for president trump incoming. so i think the democrats are hopefully going to get overruled here by the general sophistication of tom holman and the ability of republicans to see black and white for what it is. this is a great thing. i'm glad they're going to let law enforcement be law enforcement. that should win the day. >> i think there's still a resistance attitude that is out there to see how far they can push or maybe all of this is fake and trump is not real. it's really kind of amazing for all of us that he's going to be the president again. but ultimately i think it's going to be up to defending, federal action against these cities. they haven't been living in reality. coming up, not everyone as i mentioned is ready to help trump's deportation plans. how two blue states are planning to resist. that's next.

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♪ >> this is the only dance i know? some democrat as cross the country are preparing resistance efforts to counter president-elect trump's plan for deportations. gavin newsome, california's governor, is planning an immigrant superintendent important plan. it proposes the creation of an immigrant support network comprised of regional hubs. i suggest that theyout their bullet train that doesn't exist to connect the hubs. oregon's attorney general is out with a sanctuary promise tool kit. it helps answer questions like oregon is a sanctuary state. what does that mean? and how do i prepare myself and

my family for encounters with ice. and is there a place i can call to report ice or other federal immigration authorities with the crime rates across this country, i would prefer to see things addressing american citizens on issues of regular crime or anyone who happens to be present in a city, right? everyone is affected certainly. gerry, these are states that in trouble financially. they have these plans and things that they have had to veto things like insurance for illegal immigrants because they have no money. yet here's more plans to help the foreigners in the state. >> let's talk about california. that's one of my favorite topics. they're facing a $68 billion deficit right now. they want to spend more money on illegal migrants. newsome is saying let's have a $25 million legal opportunity for migrants. somebody else says no, that is not enough. we need to give lawyers more money. $60 billion.

so what you see the states want to spend, spend, spend. this has consequences, right? believe me, illegal immigrants, people that want to come to this country hear it here and come to the border because they know we'll have support there. we can get help from california. we're going. what is more, if you live here, if you're a californian, that means you get less money yourself, right? that's because there's less money to fund the very programs that help people who are americans. so it's a double whammy when it comes to those kind of things. >> plus, we've seen, kara, the money that they spent on eliminating homelessness. it gets worse as they spend that money. then when you're dealing with $68 billion in debt or0 billion unfunded liability deficit on pensions, money becomes like monopoly money. it's like water. >> it's the government. nothing is real. we used to call it the

self-licking ice cream cone. california is an example of this. i think something my mom used to tell me, bad trees bear bad fruit. everybody is leaving because of these policies. i was scanning x the other day. i was looking at it. an old tweet of the incoming deputy chief of staff, steven miller, an immigration guru, it was resurfaced from 2023. he said immigration policy is foundational. everything else is downstream. that's exactly right. so when california, when oregon get immigration wrong, everything else is downstream and those fights are lost in those states. california used to be my home state. to see it ravaged by these terrible policies, i don't think anything will change any time soon. >> we've seen at the state and

federal level, it's not right. one thing we've seen, whether it's covid or immigration policy, it affects us on our street, right? it's in our home. these people who do this, they're affects our lives directly. oregon was the first sanctuary state, by the way. it was like the ultimate incentive. we see the damage. why are they sticking with this frame work even with the trump win? what do you think? >> they're stubborn and stuck in their ways. to to gerri's point, they'll probably end up paying more in taxes. if you have outstanding debt as a state and locality, what are your options? you have few options. you'll probably raise taxes again. apparently gavin newsome is more interested in stating his 2028 run than governing his state. what is ironic, these plans,

these sanctuary city plans are coming from many same officials that are dismissing trump's deportation plan as inhumane or too expensive or impossible. no. what is inhumane is forcing citizens of a state and of a city to constantly be on guard in their own communities because they're worried about crime. what is logistically impossible is continuing to spend billions of dollars shipping illegal immigrants all over the place, housing them, providing them with education, health services, paying their wages while american citizens suffer. it's not a question of logistics. mass deportations are will and choice. tom holman has the western and the american people made the choice. >> we have a dynamic now where people can see what the republicans stand, what their plans are. local governments in these blue cities, we saw it with seattle, with the black lives matter and

anti antifa. the taxpayers didn't matter. you couldn't care about what the curriculum in school was. as citizens and parents you don't matter. there's something larger here, more important than you. you think after the election we'll continue to see americans to wake up to this problem? >> yeah, politically it's -- it could jeopardize gavin newsome. gavin, read the room for a second. it wasn't just republicans. it's all americans that don't want the higher taxes. newsome doubled down asking as gerri mentioned, 25 million for legal costs. maybe 65 million. when this story broke, the department of social services put out a statement saying well, this is preliminary. what does newsome do? doubles down and leans in. it's stunning for me, tammy, to have him do that.

because he went to the san diego sector and saw the border when i was there earlier this year. we've had thousands of migrants coming across, tens of thousands. chinese, syrians, lebanese. those are the ones that could pose a national security risk. to think anybody will come around to want to open the border to those people defies logic. >> it does. you have a question, what is the point? they lost the election. this is a disaster for the country. maybe that's the point. we'll find out. all right. president-elect trump is vowing to unleash american energy in his second term. that's fabulous. more on that next.

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globally right now. the international excess agency expects a surplus in 2025 as well. that coupled with the fact that the president-elect has promised to expand oil and gas production could mean lower prices for everyday americans. >> we'll have low gas. you'll see please, president trump, stop. the prices are going too low, sir. i will direct every cabinet secretary to cut ten old regulations for every new regulation, which i did last time. >> despite president biden's green agenda, the u.s. set a record for crude oil production in 2024. the president-elect wants to expand it even more in the upcoming year. energy executives and as you mentioned alaska's governor hope he will ease drilling regulations, enact more tax incentives, permit interstate

pipe line projects. trump also expected to lift regulations on natural gas. one of the largest exporters of natural gas says even with the restrictions, the biden administration placed on the industry, we still have global emissions that are sky rocketing in part because of oil and gas use and production by other countries. he says people are reassessing how we got here and the conclusion they're going to get to is we need to build more of everything. that seems to be the plan of president-elect trump and his secretaries of interior and energy. we will see what they do on day one, gerri. >> thanks, grady. appreciate your report. all right. let's first start when we're talking about oil about the price of gas. that's what consumers really pay attention to here. today you can see the price by gallon, $3.04.

that's down from 3.07 last week. i can't see that far, a year ago, $3.13. of course the price of oil is more than just the price of oil. oil is a competitive advantage for the u.s. right, tammy? we look at this. in a negotiating situation with our friends or foes, gives us leverage. it's more than just what you pay at the pump. >> it is. being energy independent means that opec has less control over us, what happens in the middle east we can withstand if something gets closed off, if iran blocks things, if some oil -- everything is blowing up, nobody is exporting. if someone refuses to sell to us. that won't matter. because we will be energy independent. that is key. the more oil as we know, supply and demand, in the field, you have the price of a barrel that goes down. that is the money, the only money really that russia has

coming in, is the sale of their oil. so when the price of a barrel of oil goes up, they have more money for adventurism, which is why they attacked ukraine. iran relies on that obviously. china is relying on buying oil from both iran and likely russia. so they're controlling this frame work. the higher it stays, the better for them. america drills, gets more oil, the price goes down. it's bad for our enemies. so this is about control and about the nature of the choices we're able to make in the process. >> agree with that. kara, to you. we look at what the president wants to do when he comes in to office. he will make it easier for producer to do what they do. we already have led the world in oil production for about six years now. we have an incredible, you know, backdrop here. what does it mean to go to congress now and say we need your help, congress, in making this go forward when you have so many people that are so tied to

green energy. >> yeah, the rationale behind all of this is that the increased consumption of fossil fuels is going to hurt climate change. we ran models at the heritage foundation. so our bread and butter, good research. we found that even if america and western europe stopped using all fossil fuels today, temperatures would decline by .3 degrees celsius. what is more, to tammy's point, enemies like china, iran, russia, they're increasing their consumption as well. there's no rationale -- >> they're the bad guys here. >> yeah. so make america build again. senator katie britt from alabama, did anyone see that clip where she does her elevator pitch where she's in the halls of congress? she says america needs to be energy independent and energy dominant. we're the best at what we do. couldn't say it any better. that is our strategic and competitive advantage. make america build again, guys.

>> it's not just that. it's the rules that they put in to place to curb the use of gas as well. like ovens here in new york city. do you see other things coming to the front here as trump comes in to office to curb that kind of excessive green mania? >> absolutely. it's not just to drill, baby, drill. one of his priorities should be repealing the entire climate agenda of the biden administration. it's hard to quantify how much havoc this agenda has wreaked on our industries and on our economy. i think of my own home state of michigan where the auto industry makes up 20% of the state's work force. the auto companies have lost billions of dollars to biden's ev mandates. they have laid off thousands of workers, real people whose livelihoods that has been disconnected from reality and the consequences from their own

policies. the only people that support the zero emissions policies are the wealthy that can afford electric vehicles in the first place, is very wealthy that can pat themselves on the back for caring about the climate and fly off in private jets. meanwhile, it's the average american that suffers. >> i'm looking forward to flying off in my private jet one day. griff, what will you cover next year when it comes to energy? >> we know a lot of executive orders are coming hours after trump is sworn in on the border. we'll see them with respect to drill, baby, drill and as governor dunleavy of alaska is asking for things to be rolled back. to kaylee's point. i'm old enough to remember al gore was the grandfather. he's the o.g. of the first guy to publicly say it to be possible to completely eliminate his words the gas-powered combustion engine. we learned if we did that, we'll pay ten times what we're paying for everything. when trump was on the campaign

trail, he would talk about saying, you know, it's not just inflation. the price of oil affects the groceries, the bacon, the gas and also the things that got shipped, the shoes you're wearing. everything is tied to it. americans started to wake up to that. it's interested to see what steps he takes and if we actually see across the board goods and services and of course food and gas begin to come down and finally americans feel a drop in inflation despite the stats of the previous administration or biden administration giving us the past four years. >> oil is an input in to many, many products. it would reduce costs overall the more we produce oil. wealthy parents making nearly $1 million a year would get financial aid to cover private school tuition. you heard me right. that is next. ♪

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>> elite new york city private schools could soon offer financial aid to wealthy parents. that's according to a shocking "new york times" report detailing how parents making $800,000 a year could get a financial break from the schools average tuition of $65,000 a year. "this divide between the haves and have mores helps tell the story of a city unside down by rising prices that the upper end of the middle class is feeling squeezed." the article says that the

average income for the family assistance is $229,000. to which the school explains that the number "reflects the fact that new york is one of the most expensive cities in the country." now, gerri, no one on this planet will accuse me of being a mathematic genius. you were a economics whiz. break down the math for me. the average tuition is $67,300. that's an exorbitant cost that they have to give financial handouts to the wealthier new yorkers. wouldn't it make sense to lower the costs or do something else? how does that make sense? >> anybody that is earning $800,000 in new york c taxes. you pay state, local, city. they get you every way to sunday. then you have high costs just to live here. okay? so at the end of the day, $800,000 is not what it sounds

like. even so, let's not talk about math. let's talk about sanity. when you see tuition of $67,000 for grade school, does anybody think this doesn't make sense? i see that in new york all the time. let's protect the elite because they need help here and the city is really for them when they should be helping people that are trying to get ahead and move ahead. >> griff, i wonder if part of the motivation for parents that are spending this kind of money to send their kids to private schools is is the fact that they're just trying to keep their kids out of new york city's public schools. a report that found that just 33.6% of students in new york city's public schools are able to read proficiently. certainly that is part of the problem here. >> kaylee, i'm going to attempt to answer your question without cursing. as a father that put two girls through private schools in washington d.c. nowhere near the $229,000 here.

but certainly very expensive for someone not making millions of dollars or $800,000 a year. it's really -- it's an insult. it's an insult to parents who struggled because i don't think many people plan for it, particularly when your first get married and your children get older. it's competitive to just get in. let alone preparing to pay for those things. it's for many couples one of the most difficult challenges where you have to make sacrifices. yeah, i can make the numbers work but it's tough. you see something like this, makes you want to quit. why am i trying now if they give benefits to public schools? every parent will do whatever they can for their child. it's a priority. at some point in life you really everything and anything for them. something has to be done. who knows? maybe the incoming administration will address school tuitions and options for all kids.

>> can i say one like rationale personal finance thing here? if you spend this money on your kids to go to grade school, how much are you going to have left for your retirement? >> none. >> we're creating waves of financial problems with our parents. >> tammy, you live in new york city. you have to spend tens of thousands to make sure that your kid can read, is it any wonder that so many families are fleeing the city? >> it's not. you know, florida is very close. a lot of families clearly have fled. this seems to be -- there's a combination of status in new york and what you're willing to pay as adults for status because you're right, it's competitive. you get your kid in to one of these schools, wow, right? there's the networking of who you meet, whose children are there. that may be part of it. redistribution of wealth in new york city effectively. you have union involvement, the nature of yes, what -- who is this person that is teaching my

child, what are they teaching my kid besides indoctrinating. that is an issue here in new york as well. are they learning what they need to learn. and why is that person so expensive? because those things can change. >> kara, real quickly. i struggle to see how schools like this will maintain relevance, especially as a growing number of americans realize that degrees and diplomas aren't everything. >> very true. at the risk of being tackled by everyone on the couch. hidden in the story is the fact that the more kids you have in these schools the more discounts you get. we know we have a fertility crisis in this country. 2.1 is a replacement rate. hovering around 1.6. i'm doing my part here. but if we can throw money at this problem, i'll take it. >> more "outnumbered" coming up next. ♪

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>> welcome back. time for in case you missed it, not that anything is going on. did you get any unwanted christmas gifts this year? a new survey found that americans are expected to blow $1.10 million on unwanted gifts this year. it also found that over half of all american adults will receive at least one gift that they don't want. kara? >> so okay, the value of gift cards. this is a huge point of contention in my marriage. my husband thinks it's lazy. no, if i get a gift card, i'll get what i want. point for me, zero for my husband. >> we limit the number of gifts this year. we said three each, which is a good idea, which he ignored and bought more. so rebounded positively to me. so we're happy. >> another good strategy is each family member is assigned another family member. they only have to -- >> we draw names out of a hat. >> a great idea. >> each family member gets

another person. >> for next year, if you didn't do that. so if some of your holiday gifts are stuck in the mail, don't worry. maybe it's with a porch pirate. we don't know. a new study shows that gift givers are more stressed than gift recipients. i would think so. while timing could impact gift giving decisions, most recipients are worried about when they might get a present from you. isn't it nice when you get a surprise present? >> so my daughter, madeline, just texted me about 30 minutes ago. said hey, a giant surfboard just arrived at the door. so i'm not upset with santa that you waited until two days after or one day after to deliver it. yeah, no, look, the best gift is the one that comes after christmas. that's like a bonus. >> yeah, i'm guilty of this. i have not given my family any gifts yet. i've been up here. hopefully it's worth it and they will enjoy what i have to give. >> you know, i got a text from

my sister before the show. she said thank you for the pajamas. i didn't send them. i don't know where they came from. >> did you take credit for it? >> i could. yeah. >> why not. >> go with it. >> 12 days of christmas, right? like the song, a present a day, so i'll take it. >> so i like -- there's some presents that are christmas new year's presents. so you have that dynamic. think about that, too. now, a new survey revealing american's most nostalgic holiday films for 2024s have arrived. it's a wonderful life was number 1 followed by a christmas story, elf, miracle on 34th street and charlie brown christmas. >> where is the holiday? one of my favorites. not very old and so much fun, just white christmas. bing crosby. >> what do you think. >> they're missing the most

important, which is diehard. not to start that debate again. >> does nostalgic have to work into it? a film in the 40s? >> that's why i agree with it's a wonderful life. i introduced my 2-year-old to charlie brown christmas this season. it's amazing. she wakes up charlie brown christmas! >> there's a lot of crap out there now. these are great films. >> greatly to see jingle all the way ii with larry the cable guy didn't make the top 5. it's very sentimental to me. but i think the fact that elf made it, which is the more modern, i'm glad there's a modern classic. >> elf was playing on a monitor here. i saw a little bit of it. it was much more sophisticated than i thought. you sit on a throne of lies. >> i guess you've seen it. i hope that's whats that from. now, it's fun to decorate for

the holidays. you'll be surprised how much time it takes. a new survey found that people will spend 2.5 years decorating over the course of a lifetime. just untangling lights will eat up 34 hours. if you prefer a real tree, vacuuming up pine needles will cost you another 36 hour. you want that time back? >> no, i mean, i vacuum pine needles every year. i'm happy to do it and spend time decorating. >> also becoming a parent makes you appreciate what your parents did for you. it's time well-spent. thanks, mom and dad now that i'm in charge, it's awful. thank you for what you did. >> just quickly, i need to add a disclaimer that my wife does those hours. i've been very helpful. >> says the one lucky guy. >> i will say taking it down is the worst part. maybe that's why they leave them up. >> would it be wrong to have the lights up all year?

that's been a perennial conversation. it's wonderful but maybe it's wonderful because it's brief. >> there's a bar in appleton, wisconsin, that i have reported from that keeps christmas lights up in the bar 24/7. >> yeah. >> if you're there, check it out. >> my mother does the same thing. she keeps her lights up year round. >> when you hear christmas music, don't you fally feel happier? >> yeah. it's for a limited period. >> agree. >> there you go. trying to think of ways to keep going. well, we're going to keep going here. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay with us. ♪ were you worried the wedding would be too much? nahhhh... (inner monologue) another destination wedding?? we just got back from her sister's in napa. who gets married in napa? my daughter. who gets married someplace more expensive? my other daughter. cancun! jamaica!! why can't they use my backyard!! with empower, we get all of our financial questions answered.

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will be flying home. you might be among them. after the holidays. but are you watching this at your in-laws house? may be so. but there is new debate about how to properly use the overhead bins during the flight. users on social media claim overhead bin ownership has gone too far and flyers should be able to use any open been, not just the one over their own seats. others say it is too easy for one passenger to fill up an entire been, forcing some people to sit with luggage on their lap. who does that? nobody does that. you are a traveler. >> there is no debate. let me tell you how it is. this bin -- >> going to mansplain it to us. >> like trump is fighting for the panama canal. at the end of the day, people get on, i have to travel so m much -- >> for the audience here. >> you need to be able -- all sorts of things, five, six bags, musical instruments, are you

traveling or relocating? very frustrating. please have respect, just think some people have to put their luggage. >> you believe you own what is above your chair? >> yes peered you put your bag over my head, i put my bag on your head. >> people are putting stuff above, coats or smaller bags that could very easily fit underneath the seat, that is the worst part. >> valuable real estate. >> i feel impugned by you, griff, because i am bat bag lady that has 20 different things, but i don't put my jacket over my head. >> we've got to go here. i think you're probably good. >> travel safely. >> safety, that's what we care about. you guys, merry christmas, happy hanukkah. thank you for tuning in. now here is "america reports." stay right there.