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>> hello. this is "outnumbered." i'm kayleigh mcenany live from the great state of florida. joining me from nashville, tomi lahren, host of tomi lahren is fearless on outkick and back in new york city, leslie marshall, fox news contributor, kara frederick from the heritage foundation and paul mauro, attorney, founder of opsdesk.org and retired nypd inspector. woe begin with this. president-elect trump has big plans for day one of his new administration. he's promised to get a lot of things done next year. among them are closing the southern border, deporting illegal migrants and ev mandates, increasing energy production. it's a lot to do. which of these will he do day one? we have a few guesses. here's trump on his plans for next year. >> on my first day in the oval

office,ly sign a historic slate of orders to close our border to illegal aliens and stop the invasion of our country. on that same day, we will begin the largest deportation operation in american history. i will sign day one orders to end all biden restrictions on energy production, terminate his insane electric vehicle mandate, cancel his natural gas export ban. and together we will make america powerful again. we will make america wealthy again. we will make america healthy again. we will make america strong

again. we will make america proud again. we will make america safe again. and we will make america great again! >> kaleigh: big plans. i want to start with tom holman. there was this nbc report floating around that trump was preparing five executive orders on illegal immigration. that would be more than what he did day one last term. so i asked tom holman, is it five? here's what he said. >> more than five. more than three. there's going to be many. we can't have strong national security if we don't have border security. there's executive orders signed day one. at the same time, we have ice officers across the country going to start -- they're going

to hit the streets looking for illegal aliens. at the same time ending catch and release. we're going to lack for 340,000 missing children. >> they're ready to go, tomi. >> they're ready to go because they have to be, kayleigh. this is the mandate from the american people. i believe that donald trump won on the economy and also won on restoring border security and national security. they have a lot of work to do. the last four years the flood gates have been opened. you can't allow 10 million people unvetted and expect donald trump to sit on his thumbs first day in office. it will take four years to get it done because the damage is so severe with the open borders. tom holman is ready to go. i know tom holman well. he's not doing this because he wants a promotion. he's not doing this because he wanted to come out of

retirement. he's doing this because he loves his country and he's got the skill set to get it done. it will be an ambitious endeavor for sure. it will require work and a little bit of money. the ambition is there. it's all for the american people. that's what i love about donald trump and his executive orders. everything he's doing is not for him, for the rest of the world but for the american people. that's what we elected him to do. it will be like the second coming of christmas january 20. >> kaleigh: yeah, a lot of people making that comparison. paul, i saw this. i wanted to do back to biden's first day. it says biden signs executive orders on face mask mandate, keystone pipeline and paris accord. i don't think we'll have a face mask mandate day 1. it says mr. biden signed 1 five eos on his first day in office, more than any of his modern predecessors, none of whom signed more than one. if i'm a betting woman here, i'm

thinking donald trump wants to break the 15 record. we may see more than that. >> yeah, we all recall that spade of executive orders, many of which fell spiteful particularly with the border. i think where this will be most visible day one to the american public is on the border stuff. that's not to say the other measures are not important. ice is ready to go. those marching orderses have filtered down. they know what they're going to be asked to do. the border will have much more friction. okay? not completely closed but they're going to do a lot that hasn't been done. the other place you'll see it is at the local level as tom holman sends ice out and the director of homeland security, sends ice out to try to find the bad guys. it's that simple. finding them is where the challenge is. particularly in sanctuary cities. so you take new york, which is a sanctuary city. well, if they go in to the system, they're arrested,

they're an illegal. let's take the get that lit this poor woman on fire in the subway in new york city. illegal alien committed this crime of the it's very public. we know he's there. very often you don't know that. how are you going to find them? especially in a sanctuary city that has said we're not going to notify you. ice has to come up with mechanisms. a lot will be legalist. things like subpoenas. they'll have to go in, pull them out of jail, get them out of the country rather than us to be responsible for their care and feeding. we don't want to deal with that. we want them out. that's the challenge. that's what holman faces. >> kaleigh: we'll see a ton on immigration day one. it's very important. it's not the border. but this first one. that's afghanistan. asking for the resignation involved in those in the poor decision making that led to the

death of 13 heroic men and women at the abbey gate. this has not been listed as a day one priority. i think it should be. washington times in prison, pro life activists hope for trump pardon after prosecution by biden doj, including paulette harlow, an elderly woman that is now in jail with health problems. >> i'm so glad you brought these two things up. the border, it's a five-alarm fire. these are two american bread and butter issues that everyday americans care about. they have lasting impacts when it comes to afghanistan, across the world. so i'm so glad pending his confirmation hearing hope philly pete hegseth will right the ship. we have general lloyd austin who presided over arguably the

biggest public humiliation of the american military in my lifetime. and let's face it, decades prior to this. that needs to be cleaned up. we have to return the pentagon to the war fighter, to lethality. look at people like general milley. you want to create a deterrent effect. not just for enemies but things for when he says i talk to my counterpart in the pla, the people's liberation army in china and i said i would talk to you before donald trump would take any action, we want to deter flag officers from taking actions like that to subvert this lawfully elected president of the united states. that will be huge. pete hegseth has a big charge there. i believe he will deliver. i hope he gets confirmed. his hearing is january 15. the pro life cause. that is something that the weaponization of the justice

system has been turned inward on the american people. this cannot stand. i hope they get pardoned, at least in the first few days. justice, real justice is actually restored to the american people. we cannot have a country when your jailing good religious believers for acting out their faith. >> kaleigh: amen to that. paulette harlow's husband fears she will die in jail. i hope that doesn't happen. i hope she gets to go back to her church, family, husband and family. leslie, these are the democrats plans. i wanted to save this for you. politco. chuck schumer did an interview. i don't know exactly what trump will do, but i can tell you this, the judiciary will be one of our strongest if not our strongest barrier against what he does. when we started out, we knew it would be a difficult job to do more than trump had done, we did it. so is the plan sue, sue until oblivion?

>> i certainly hope it wouldn't be. that's not productive, not just for my party but for the process of our american system and for the american people. there are some things that are going to be problematic and that will be met just as they were in the first administration like with some of these bans or some of these deportation ideas. when you just look at some of the executive orders within the mass deportation, for example, you look at some of the -- you talk acted cost. it's not just financial cost. there's emotional cost to military. there's also emotional cost to families. tom holman talked about halfway houses for children that are citizens that were born here in the united states, that would be separated from their parents if their parents choose not to take them. then you talk about cost. if you look at the state that i live in, california, and california, we provide so much food especially produce to the rest of the country and a lot of these agricultural corporations

use undocumented labor to provide the food for the rest of the country, not just the state of california. there's a lot of businesses in and out side california especially in construction and agriculture that are very fearful of what will happen to their businesses and what will happen to those businesses nationwide, to the construction industry, to agriculture. so i think it's important for them to be mindful to protect the american people. i think the judiciary is one way to do that. >> kaleigh: you know, i do think that the priority on day one will be the criminals. i do think about the cost to american citizens. i know all of us on this panel our hearts broke for the woman on the subway that paul mentioned. we never want to see something like that happen in this country. the left is still searching for a path forward after trump's win. now democrats have harsh words

for their party.

♪ >> kaleigh: democrats have been doing lots of soul searching since their massive election loss. but it seems like the party just can't settle on a path forward with just 24 days until biden leaves office. the "wall street journal" is writing headlines like this. democrats are adrift as donald trump prepares to take power. that report reads in part "these are challenging days for democrats ahead of donald trump's return to the white house. their party has yet to land on a clear message or a leading messenger leaving the president-elect mostly unchallenged even as republicans

expose their own vulnerabilities and divisions when trump nearly derailed a stop gap funding deal with last minute demands." democratic strategists are openly conceding that their party is a total mess. strategists liz smith says this. the democratic brandt is "in the toilet".that's harsh. the d next to their names represents the status quo. leslie, i wanted to pull this up for you. politco did a focus group. i laughed out loud when i read it. they were asked to compare the democratic party to an animal. when asked to compare the democratic party to an animal, one participant compared them to an ostrich because they got their hands in the sand and are committed to their own ideas even though they're failing. another likened them to kawalas. they said democrats are not a

friend of the working class anymore that is harsh. that is from swing voters. >> paul: who you going to? >> leslie: leslie? hi. >> kaleigh: that's you, leslie. i know you don't want to answer the kowala. >> leslie: comparing things to animals are preschoolish. i have a lot of respect for many of the strategists in that article, we have to get on point and have one message. we're not. i don't feel my party has fallen off of a cliff. i don't think the republicans did in 2008 when they didn't have the presidency and the house and the senate and they needed to look at their party and they said we need to regroup. it's always important to improve on yourself whether you're a person, a party or a kowala. it's important for the democrats to look at the reality.

hakeem jeffries is a strong leader. democrats have a very strong stay in the house. republicans right now are in a bit of disarray. we don't know if we'll have the same speaker in a few weeks. in addition to that, i think that the democrats especially with leader jeffries showed with a cr that was just done. i think this is what will happen going forward. right now i'd say there's various opinions about what happened and where we need to go. we do need to come up with what we need to do united going forward around be on the same page. i wouldn't say disarray necessarily. i know my party hasn't fallen off a cliff. we need to regroup. we'll win again. republicans have done it's. we'll do it, too. >> kaleigh: i like the animal comparisons. i think republicans, if they would have asked the questions would say eagles, bulls and lions. more favorable animals. someone they may want to listen to is joe manchin. kara, listen to what manchin had

to say. >> i am not a democrat in the form of what the democratic party has turned itself in to. the national brand. absolutely not. the brand got so bad, the d brand has been so maligned from the standpoint of just toxic. >> the incoming chair of the house progressive caucus says if the democratic party was more like chair woman jayapal and less like joe manchin, i think we would have won this election. >> they would have lost -- they got to be nuts. >> kaleigh: so that's the answer, kara? be more like jayapal and the progressives? >> kara: if you want to keep losing, yes. but joe manchin is entirely correct here. what i think -- this is interesting in my mind. the greatest strength of democrats, we're looking at them from the conservative side has been their ability to move as

one, to have those uniform talking points that they all seem to dispense from the top down. they all fall in line. i looked at that with envy like oh, man, those guys have it going on. when hakeem jeffries says uff like extreme maga republicans, no, no, no. you have to respond to the realities on the ground. you have to be agile democratic parties because all of this moving as one uniform talking points, they're not working anymore. return to common sense. >> kaleigh: paul, a commonality between this political focus group and "the new york times" swing voter interviews is people cited the trans ad that ended with kamala is for they/them and trump is for you. it hit a cord. >> paul: yeah, it did. that's the crux of the matter. the democratic party forgot it was about the american people and became about their own feelings about themselves. wanting to -- it became a virtue signalling spelling bee.

they were all competing with each other to get to the theft of each other and what gets lost in that sauce is the american people. so if you keep going out that way, you start to lose that middle ground. what happened was we all talked in the past, many people have about america needs a third party a common sense party. donald trump turned the republican party in to that middle ground third party that speaks clearly to the american working class. the problem for the dems, how do they get that back and who will lead it. the younger generation, the most progressive and the rest of the party seems to be averaged about 140 years old these days. >> kaleigh: tomi, that's the question. who picks up the mantel and what is the mantel? >> tomi: yeah, exactly. i think it's also disappointing if you're a democrat to see vice president kamala harris essentially be mia in the remaining weeks. we know joe biden has been mia the last four years. even though she lost, this could

have been an opportunity for kamala harris if she wants a political future whatsoever, would have been an opportunity for her to be a leader in the remaining weeks to get something done. even if it wasn't the things i want to get done. she could have done something. this party has proven that they're lazy when they're losers. they don't care that much about the trajectory of the country. they care about themselves and the glitz and the glamour. that's why they burned through a billion dollars and are in the hole. i'll tell you this. what happens to the democrats is they got really drunk on 2020. they were really excited that the activism and the virtue signalling to paul's point was at the all-time how. they were excited because people were locked in their homes scared of covid. you had blm activism. everything was exciting for them. that was their peak. they forgot that time moved along an people were tired of woke. they stayed in the same spot. now they're trying to figure out how to get out of it. but they don't have a leader. as much as you want to say,

hakeem jeffries is a great leader in the house he's not in the party. you don't have joe, you don't have kamala, you don't have nancy. the obamas are on a yacht somewhere. >> kaleigh: and kamala may make another run for it. a lot of people would cheer that on. what it would take to make america healthy again. ♪

♪ >> kaleigh: health and human services secretary nominee robert f. kennedy jr. says he wants to make america healthy again. his vow to fix our country's food system has been resonating with many people across the country. they agree that our food quality

is declining. it's not a simple fix. now, fox news digital is taking to the streets asking americans what it will take to get the job done. >> i think robert f. kennedy will do a great job with that. i think he's already on the right track making some changes with health and making sure the foods are not filled with preservatives and processed items are not on the shelves the way they are now. he'll do a good job with that. >> what will it take to make america healthy again? >> a complete overall. it's about moderation. eat, drink, sleep, exercise. >> cardio and burn what you put in. >> like we were able to come as -- start making healthier options like on the go. then that can make america great. >> to make like healthier food more accessible. >> more back to nature and whole some foods. get the pharmaceutical stuff out

of our foods. >> this was a big deal, kara. the "wall street journal" had a fantastic piece. it was about moms. his coalition of moms that care deeply about feeding their kids healthy food. they spoke to one mom. mrs. smith. she talked about changing her vote from democrat to republican. smith said she was excited about kennedy's campaign. it felt cool to see someone in politics talking about something so important to me. she grew up in a liberal household. she voted for trump in 2020, cast a ballot for trump. kara? >> kara: i will tell you, i never thought seriously about any of this until i became a mom. so that resonates with me at a whole different level. you really start reading the labels of what are you putting in to your children's systems. frankly we as moms, we were told of being lied to by the government. when you have the government saying that a seed oil saturated

cereal bar will be more healthy for your child than an egg? we knew something was totally totally wrong. you look at the statistics as well. you have about 74% of americans that are overweight or obese. more than half of the country struggling with some form of chronic disease. i don't want that for my children. so i think this initiative is critical. it's coming at just the right time and i really hope that they implement some of these priorities as real core priorities of the administration. >> kaleigh: tomi, it's interesting that the role covid played in this. we have to restore trust in cdc and hhs. people were told don't wear a face mask. they work. then they don't work. kids should be in school. kids were affected and had huge learning losses. covid played a role in the skepticism and it needs to be fixed and resolved. >> it does need to be fixed.

since you talked about covid, when we had the shut downs and the lockdowns, gyms shut down, liquor stores open, fast food restaurants open. the big box stores open. so we trained people a lot during the covid teams that they should stay at home and order uber eats and not go outside because outside was dangerous and scary. a lot of things that we'll recover from for a long time. i hope r.f.k. jr. can get in there, and if he can't make laws and regulations, maybe he can educate people about dyes and preservatives. >> kaleigh: these a very good point. leslie, tim ryan, former democratic congressman said we have a rare chance to fix the system that is killing us. we're a sick country and a sick country cannot maintain long-term prosperity. kennedy is passionate and willing to take on the interests that have perpetuated his broken system for years.

democrats should join kennedy in this fight. do you agree? >> leslie: i agree, not with taking fluoride out of water. i live in a state with health freaks and my husband is also a physician. here's the problem we have. it's not just what is in our food. it's our choices. our own president-elect eats mcdonald's every day. i'm overweight. i have a thyroid condition. we have a problem with our society and the way we've been living. that will take more than a political party or one or two administrations not trying to be a debbie downer here to change that. we are accustomed to fast food. we're accustomed to drive-thru. this is so much more than i have time for. just one example. michelle obama tried to do this and was mocked for getting healthier food in schools for

children. we shouldn't have broccoli cost more than chicken nuggets. that's what happens. a lot of families say i'm going to buy that dollar menu at the fast food franchise because i can afford to feed my family on that. it needs to be more affordable as well as healthy. >> kaleigh: paul, trump has made very clear he's a big believener the polio vaccine. that will be here to stay. i will also say this, leslie. i'm directing this to paul. we have a little time here. if i'm as healthy as trump at his age who runs circles, i could barely keep up to the man, i know biden's team said that about him but i mean it about trump. i will be a very happy person. >> paul: a lot of this comes down to genetics. this is really good if r.f.k. is the messenger. this is another example of trump's republican party. this is very much themovement.

the idea that the mass produced food that is loaded with chemicals, not good for you. you're better off eating healthy produce that hasn't gone through an industrial base. this is good. education is important. it comes down to choices. the costs for the country in healthcare and for our children are definitely worth considering here. >> kaleigh: without a doubt. all right. on to this. shoplifting is a felony in california again but is it too little too late? for some businesses, it is. that's next. ♪

>> kaleigh: shoplifting is a felony again in california after voters pass the tough on crime proposition 36 in november. these women didn't seem to get the message. you're looking at police video of three suspects that are now set to face felony shoplifting charges instead of just misdemeanors. >> it's a felony? [bleep] new laws. stealing is fun. >> they're stunned. for many prop 36 is not enough to face and save their businesses. here's the owner of popular chain restaurant in and out burger that was forced to shut and oakland location due to crime. >> violence, fights, theft, you name it. there was a lot that was -- gunshots went through the store.

there's the stabbings. there's a lot for the safety of our associates. we felt like this is not okay. so the amount of time it would take for the police to get there, too, was alarming. >> kaleigh: so paul, proposition 47 passed in 2014. made it not a felony if you were under a certain monetary limit with shoplifting fraud and other crimes. it worked fabulously. it increased crime. now these criminals -- i love watching the videos. they're stunned to learn it's now a felony. >> paul: yeah, devil is in the details. i'd like to know where the two girls are now. i bet you're they're out. if the prosecutors won't hold people accountable and continue with the decarceration movement, it's all for show.

we're going to go down about a third of beds here in jails for prisoners. you can imagine in a year '0-2. so that decarceration movement among the prosecutors and the legislators still exists. the cops will do their jobs. you can pass these laws. the public is for it. but if you don't follow up, none of it means anything. >> kaleigh: yeah, tomi. you need people to enforce the law. proposition 36 had overwhelming support. are they making a turn in california? maybe not the prosecutors, but the people? >> tomi: i think so. leslie i hope can speak to this. i don't think that california will go back to red any time soon. maybe a little bit more purple. i think prop 36 was a great example of that. you have a culture of lawlessness to paul's point in california. it will take a long time to reverse this. in california, you have to beg to be imprisoned. they let you out immediately. glad that prop 36 passed. but there's more to be done in

terms of the culture of lawlessness. gavin newsome, it's not high on his priority list. >> kaleigh: leslie, is california waking up? same question. >> leslie: actually, i'm a democrat. i voted in favor of this proposition and a lot of democrats and republicans in a bipartisan manner, the way the american system is supposed to work, voted for this. to paul's points, i would agree with him. the devil is in the details. the reason they had 57 in the first place is prison overcrowding. that's why both democrats and republicans were like okay, let's have the slap on the wrists and not add to the overcrowding. that was not helpful obviously. but now you do need to have these people punished. i'd agree with paul. not just arrested and put back on the street. i don't believe my state has a culture of crime and lawlessness at all. i disagree with that comment. >> kaleigh: kara, tell that the

owner of the inand out burger. >> kara: exactly. we're still holding it down for the rule of law. we know what it means to get violent crime rates down. you have to put more police on the streets. you have to empower them and you have to prosecute the criminals with vigor. i hope this is a turning point for california. i'm not holding my breath but hope springs eternal. >> kaleigh: coming up, how to get rid of a group chat that is blowing up your phone. i have many. ♪ ♪ with verizon, trade in any phone, any condition. it's your last chance to get iphone 16 pro, on us. and ipad and apple watch series 10.

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♪ >> kaleigh: so let's talk about group chats. while useful to some, they can also be wildly irritating when you open your phone to tons of unread messages. if you ever tried to leave one, everyone can see it and sometimes can come across as rude. so is there a good way out?

business insider has some tips for a graceful exit. one advice columnist said good protocol is always that and you're in control of your own life and time, any time you're feeling handcuffed by a group, then it's time to take a deep breath and think about that a little. group chats are about feeling connected and supported and entertained. if you're not getting that, it's okay to dip out. you know, tomi, i've been reading this. people say group chats are fun. no. there's 63 unread messages. swipe left and hit the mute button. it's glorious. >> tomi: i would say i think group chats are great when you're coordinating plans. go ahead. but to chit chat, that's completely annoying. i'd say that people that call unannounced to chit chat, in my

opinion that should be a crime as my husband knows. send it in a text to one person and have some decency here. >> kaleigh: paul, i agree. the producer said you love our group chad, right? i do. because it's functional. that's the point. the key word, functional, paul. >> yeah, i mean first of all, i'd say this is a very first world problem that we're talking about here. that said, they can be useful, of course. they can be fun. it's a good place to hear other people's ideas and make them your own. "outnumbered" is a group chat. that worked for us. it can be fun. you have to monitor it obviously. don't let it take over your life and don't worry about it too much. >> kaleigh: kara, is it rude to exit? now i'm told during the break it's a possibility once you're added. it is kind of a little rude, no? >> kara: oh, yeah. you will get blow-back, too. i recently exited two group chats and i have not heard the

end of it from my friends. what are you doing? why did you do that? come on, kara. keep making use of the mute button and something that i learned from the tech bros, they batch their e-mails. they don't look at them for a long time and then they look through them in one fail swoop. if i'm up early with a toddler, scrolling and scrolling in front of the tv and everybody is happy. that's my solution. >> kaleigh: that is good. leslie, i thought to myself this morning, is there anyone on the panel that might like a group chat? i thought leslie marshall is so nice. she might like a group chat. am i wrong? >> leslie: you're wrong. you're too nice. okay. my girlfriends will do like the 27-30 messages to coordinate lunch. my response is not written in business week, which is ladies, love you, have a life. let me know where and when, peace outs. i'm nice but i'm blunt and i

tell them. i have a life. i don't have time for this. too many back and forth and i'm inpatient. so yeah, i'm a very nice person but i can't deal with that back and forth. drives me crazy. >> kaleigh: yes, i'm with you. slide and hit the mute. it's purple, beautiful and freeing guys. more "outnumbered" next. ♪ were you worried the wedding would be too much?

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♪ ♪ >> last but not least, if you are taking a phone call in public, keep it to yourself. "the wall street journal" reported says that fights have been breaking out at airports, literal fights, over travelers having full-blown conversations on speakerphone. it may be a growing trend, but really, is using the speakerphone in public ever o okay? leslie, i would say no, and it is particularly unkind to the person you are speaking with. >> okay. [laughs] i'm guilty. i'm guilty as charged. >> oh, no. >> i'm guilty as charged. one of the reasons -- i can hear better, here is my phone and my speaker, and i can hear my mother better, she can hear me better when i am on speaker. my kids who are teens call me a

boomer because you guys to get my emails laugh at the misspellings because this is what i'm doing. tommy, do you want to have lunch when you come to l.a.? and everyone in the rooms hear me and my kids are like, mom, use your fingers and type. >> oh, my gosh. okay, cara, you are on notice. leslie marshall, the whole world is listening. >> seriously. it appears leslie isn't so nice after all. [laughter] this is not acceptable. i will not elaborate. this is awful. >> i actually did hear one person suggest carrying extra headphones with you and offering them to a person, but i also don't want to get punched in the face, so not going to do that, either. leslie, you are evil. >> yeah, you know, paul, i am so the opposite. i like to facetime my kids before take off if i can come i will put my headphones in and whisper "high back, play, hi, nash," because i don't want to disrupt. >> volume and content. as long as the volume is at the

level of a normal conversation, but content is the road, right? i don't really want to hear you have a discussion with your tropical disease doctor on test results. you should use a little bit of judgment. >> tommy, i don't know, i was reading about a guy at dulles airport arguing with his wife about it wet towel on the floor of the bathroom. that may be entertaining if you have a flight delay. >> yeah, if you're bored. listen, there is a societal contract y'all should abide by. shouldn't talk on a speakerphone or facetime out loud come have e text with a little emoji. have empathy. traveling a stressful enough. >> yeah, traveling is tough, so take the speakerphone and put it on mute and mute those group conversations and we are all set for the holidays. all right, thank to everyone. great to join you all. don't forget to dvr the show. for now, "america reports." ♪ ♪ >> state prosecutors earlier todano