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>> hello, everyone. this is "outnumbered." i'm molly line. joining me, lauren simonetti, carl parker, former fbi special agent in fox news contributor, kara frederick, the director of tech policy center at the british foundation and dr. marc siegel, fox news senior medical analyst and professor of medicine that nyu. happy new year. delighted to be with you. we begin with a new report that the vicious learners mail-in gang is mobbing board aircraft sayings in an attempt to break into the u.s. before trump takes office. they have attacked border agents who have tried to stop them. according to the new york host nearly 20 tga members tried to force their way into the u.s., attacking border agents with knives, tire irons, broken liquor bottles. texas officials reportedly

believe another break-in is expected later tonight. they were alerted by an anonymous informant saying that the break-ins would continue every night around 3:00 a.m. one retired homeland security agent describing the prison gang like this "they hate that the united states, just like terrorists do, and they will kill, destroy, to cover businesses, takeover stores, and take over apartment complexes, do whatever they have to do to destroy our way of life in the u.s.." the new violence is happening just miles from the scene of this migrant valiant back in march. these migrants were not armed gang members but several texas service members were still injured in this blitz. incoming border czar tom homan says it's time to deport tren de aragua and make america safe. >> president trump is committed to secure the border and save lives. we are going to run a deportation operation, get rid

of tren de aragua that killed so many young ladies in this country. were going to get rid of criminals, gang members. were going to make this country safe again. president trump was going to make this country safe again. we're going to make the border great again. we are meant to make the country great again. were going to do the best thing for america, secure borders saves lives. >> molly: will bring things to the panel. that clear start is with nicole. we want to get your thoughts. >> nicole: is very dangerous at the border. i can't tell you enough how much we need to have gratitude for those law enforcement officers, trying to put their safety behind public safety. governor abbott recently named tren de aragua former terrorist organization and that's a big deal. that does allow law enforcement to put more resources, more funding when the flight was at the highest level than they can actually go and address the

threat and that's what americans need right now. i'm a texan and i can respect the fact that texas is taking the brunt of this migrant issue. it's chaos. but good for governor abbott to say enough is enough. what's disturbing is this administration has fought him every step of the way. why is this a political issue? we are americans. we should want our country to be safe particularly texas. they named it a former terrorist organization group. tren de aragua has affected all cities. new york, aurora. with the trump administration coming in and homan, the gig is up and they know they need to get in as quickly as possible and that's why you're seen this blitz of the border. >> molly: dr. siegel, thank you for being with us. nicole raises a great point. we are talking about the spread of a gang, noted to be in 19 states.

>> marc: i agree with nicole. it's a terrorist group. what does terrorism mean? it causes great havoc and damage that scares everyone so it creates a whole sense of unsafely and that's why homan is great because he is talking of big talk and they are going to follow it up with action. the other part that worries me, the countries these gang members are coming from, venezuela is feeding this. that an airline where the migrants get on the plane and come over here and they get reimbursement, international reimbursements for selling people here in the use of false narrative that it's all because of the sections in place of these countries when in reality it's repression, elitism for the rich get richer and the poor suffer and they escaped to our country that uses that word in the biden administration, asylum. instead of the words we're going to be using now which is a country with secure borders.

>> molly: the trump administration is avowing these things will go on the other direction and mass deportations will be underway. >> kara: criminals, public safety, terrorist, tom homan's been explicit. they understand they need to stop the bleeding. you get me, dr. siegel. stop the bleeding, cauterize the wound. instead of incentivizing all of these people to come here you must deter. no incentivizing. deterrence. we have seen it in the geopolitical stage. it's got to work at the borders. i think it's worth repeating these next 20 days or so we are extremely vulnerable, as nicole said. they are opportunists. we know they look at soft targets. and i are going to come over as much as i can because they know a new man is going to be in the oval office and he is going to attempt to deter them. >> molly: enormous costs involved.

monetary costs. >> this prison gang that's been in existence for ten years as they expand, they are expected in 25 states. half the country by february. they're trying to get in as we all point out right now before tom homan and trump come in. tom homan says i know where they are. we are going to deport them. if we can't make a deal to get venezuela to take them back we are talking to other countries. someone is going to take them back they are already here. they are in half the country and they are scaring people because they are a terrorist organization and we can't afford that because these aren't the migrants taking your jobs. these are the migrants that are scaring us and harming us. >> 19 now, 16 a month ago. >> nicole: i think, again, now is the time to act. the problem that we have is we are sitting ducks because the damage that's been done under this administration, i love

tom homan, i love his message, saying we are going to clean house and depart. unfortunately the damage has been done and it's going to be difficult to read these people out, vertically the criminals. people are concerned about deportation. hthese are people taking americn lives. we should want them gone. it's like a game of hide and seek. they've been coming in for four years, almost welcomed. people think they are welcome here they've been coming in and all of a sudden we have to track all of them down and say you are no longer welcome. it's time to go. >> some communities vowing they are not going to be cooperating. >> marc: nicole made a great point about agents being at risk. we are already overwhelmed and now they are physical risk. then you have the national guard, you've got to wonder about the u.s. military being directly involved. >> molly: a fascinating year ahead. a lot of our law enforcement deserve our thanks. the new year may be upon us but doesn't look like the left is going to be leaving behind any

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♪ ♪ >> as we look ahead to 2025, "new york times" columnist is calling for americans to "be done with never trumper." he writes "is it time to drop the heavy moralizing that typified so much of the never trumper movement and that rendered it politically impotent and frequently up to us?" yes please." some lessons are never learned. the media cannot stop attacking the president-elect and the millions of americans who make up the maga movement. >> we have the collision of greed and hatred right in front of us. that's at the heart of trumpism, damn fivism. always greedy, always selfish, always hatred. and now it's full view. >> you notice the maga readers.

what is the logical fallacy h here. yes, reader. >> they have this belief that the guy with the ged and his fake oakley sunglasses, goatee and pickup truck, the universal twitter breaux that you see on every avatar on twitter. could've been the senior software designer at google. >> you are so [bleep] stupid and you deserve it. you deserve it because you are so dumb. yes, i am gloating over your stupidity. you have been co-opted because you're in a [bleep] cult and you don't even realize it because you have stupid maga brain and you don't get it. >> wow. that was an insult after insult and it ended quite viciously. it's like they just don't seem to get what the country is telling them. they live in an eco-chamber.

>> this is theorists down off that millions of americans had in their head that hate them crawl over, had them crawl over broken glass to vote for donald trump. to be speaking from expense. my dad, 32 years in the marine corps, is he stupid? my mom who supported my father's career and raising children, is she stupid? does she deserve it? no. deplorables, this is what they call it. if they're going to keep doing it, they're going to keep losing elections. >> it's a losing strategy. >> saw trump dominate, he won everything across the board. i have friends who were on the never trumper list and they've actually come onto the trump train and that something mainstream media is not reporting on. i have many friends that i had to tiptoe around. this election cycle they were

the ones coming in. saying i'm voting for president trump for the first time ever and i was astonished. they are sick and tired of inflation. there tired of having stress about their bills. there tired of the wars. the border crisis, the chaos. they acknowledge that and they say we are ready to give somebody a chance and if it's president trump we're going to back him up. they want to have hope for this country. people have been so hopeless for the last four years and they are ready to give trump a chance. >> that's the thing, dr. siegel. you could be converted, jump on the trump train or not but if you take a moment and that opening segment, we saw the princeton university professor basically said we are trying to understand the maga movement. as they try to understand at all they do is keep insulting people that voted for donald trump so it's like, just take a minute, pause and understand what's going on around you and stop

with the vicious insults. >> that's great insult. it's fueling the thing that because the movement by continuing condescension. bret stephens is a really significant figure. i know him well. he's a conservative columnist for "the new york times," he was a never trumper. he's coming around and he says the movement is tired of being talked down to, that they are stupid. member those words. mandate. misinformation. misinformation and the pandemic implied we know and you don't know. the targeting of trump. all that ended up working against people. i think trump patterns himself deliberately after teddy roosevelt. he, walk softly, but carry a big stick. bret stephens also says, his foreign policy is effective in the first term but cautious on the other point stevens made that i love we are going to talk about later in the show, who was in the white house for the last four years?

america is furious about that. what was going on with biden? he was hidden behind the scenes. nobody knows who the president has been. anger is a result of that. >> calling people stupid and evil was up poor electoral strategy and lost big. from the very beginning when trump was painted as a threat to democracy cannot nobody believed that there was polling that showed it. think trump was more trusted than president biden. in the end it went to fascism, comparing his supporters to the nazis when they were at madison square garden. it went off the rails. he didn't work at all. >> you hear greed and hatred and they were teaming up and insulting elon musk for being a greedy person. is elon musk a greedy person? he wants to send people to mars and put you in electric vehicles to save the planet. i was shocked by some of the rhetoric that we saw in that clip?

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♪ ♪ >> americans are telling fox news digital what they are expecting from the media in the new year. >> to tell the truth. >> tell us the truth. don't hide. the facts, tell us the truth. do not sugar coat, do not hide. >> tell the truth. americans want to hear the truth. sometimes that isn't what they're hearing. >> is that so hard in the demand for the truth is not without merit. "cbs news" correspondent jan crawford admitted may be the media hasn't been telling the whole story and that the most underreported story in 2024 has been the coverage of president biden's cognitive health. >> one of the things we also do in the correspondence roundtable

is dig into what was under covered or underreported. jan? >> undercover, underreported. that would be to me joe biden's obvious cognitive decline that became undeniable in the televised debate. should have much more forcefully questioned whether he was fit for office for another four years which could have led to a primary for the democrats. it could have changed the scope of the entire election. >> president biden has said repeatedly he was sick during the debate. he's always been fine and he leaves fine, that's his position, the position of many top aides even though there is that reporting. >> president-elect is responding to the comment posting this video compilation of the left defending biden's mental fitness in the media. >> does the president have the stamina physically and mentally to continue on? even after 20204?

>> you're asking me this question, oh, my gosh, he's the president of the united states. i can't even keep up with him. >> the most difficult part about meeting with president biden is preparing for it because he is sharp, intensely probing, and detail-oriented and focused. >> i can testify because i've been working very closely with his president, i've been knowing him for 30 years and i'm telling you this guy is tough, smart, he's on his game. >> joe biden has vision, knowledge. he's a strategic thinker. speak of the president is focused, detail-oriented, always thinking about the big picture. >> he's engaging, capable, he has an incredible president. >> i'm often with him on foreign trips. hhe is at the top of his game. >> there was some selling going on. your thoughts on this being an underreported story. >> marc: not by us. july 2020 i was in the white house with president trump

and he said at the time cognition should be on the ballot and i have done a cognitive task. i want him to do a cognitive test and there was a lot of risks he had, president biden, even in 2020 because of his atrial fibrillation. one of the mistakes was calling these things gaffes or he became disoriented, didn't know who he was talking to, got everybody's name wrong, didn't remember exactly where he was, what year it was. the time when he stumbled off the stage, stage, embarrassing the united states. he was the main point. the main point that has gotten america so angry is the idea that there was obfuscation going on. they want transparency in government. it's a democracy. not hiding who the president is. the government has an obligation to make sure the person at the home is actually capable of doing the job. that's the point. not embarrass us in front of foreign leaders. >> dr. siegel raises a great point. with people did want the truth and there were a lot of

opportunities. the herr report. >> saying he was out well-meaning but forgetful man. i remember gaffes after instance after slip. i as a journalist, you report what you see. it is sometimes uncomfortable. it felt uncomfortable to be insulting the president of the united states, but that's the job of a journalist, to tell the truth even if it's uncomfortable and there is pushback. the american people feel lied to. it's not so much like when somebody did something wrong. i can get over what you did. i can't get over that you lied to me about it. it's the cover up so many people find so -- >> part of the pushback did come from the white house, implying that the questions were ageist. >> i agree with that but i think from my perspective as a former fbi agent, you have to have a

commander in chief who has his full mental faculties there and ready to protect our nation. it is a national security threat and danger to our nation when we do not have a president that is in charge and i think that we all know president biden has not been calling all the shots behind the scenes. from afghanistan, absolute debacle and dangerous. some of the other debacles our nation has experienced. i think he just wasn't there, he was not mentally present. >> he has said publicly doesn't have any regrets, he wouldn't do anything differently. what's interesting is i remember after the first debate has been turned to me and he said all right, it's not about republicans, it's not about democrats anymore. it's about people who know they are being lied to and people who don't realize they are being lied to. over and over and over again we have seen, we just live there, the narrative was don't believe your lying eyes and we could see it. don't believe this, the emperor

has no clothes. but we were expected to go along with it just like we were expected to go along with the 51 intelligence officers who told us the hunter biden laptop had all the earmarks of russian disinformation that we were told was what the left didn't like. i think this is a good thing. america has woken up. we have set it at the ballot box and i think into perpetuity will understand how to discern truth from fiction much better. >> dr. siegel, you mentioned the fox news coverage. do you think some of these other media organizations were counter programming fox? seeing this reality and reporting and they didn't want to upset the white house per perhaps. >> i was covering it extensively on prime time and i wondered that question. i think it's the latter. they were trying to protect their white house. even now, can we bring up the question of where this clemency is coming from.

who is actually doing it? we know he is pardoning his son but who is doing the rest of this? who is at the home? lauren said that. who is "the wizard of oz"? i was covering this extensively in print, on the air, fox was not shying away from it, you are right, this is the job of a journalist. musk secretary lloyd austin, he didn't even tell the white house when he went to walter reed. who is piloting the ship is a common theme but the problem is there are real on the ground effects in the minds of other world leaders. adversaries are sharpening their knives for us. we have to be vigilant. no one is steering the ship. >> jan crawford said in the clip at cbs, maybe things would have been different if journalists do their job and he dropped out sooner. could there be a primary, could there have been another option in kamala harris? could that option have defeated donald trump.

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♪ ♪ >> political releasing its ended they are obituary for the political trends that fell out of fashion in 2024. the outlet found celebrity endorsements don't move the needle like they used two. social media has overshadowed traditional door-to-door canvassing. people abandon dei programs interesting the quote experts. saturn nightlife lawsuits touch when it comes to -- saturn nightlife lost its touch when it comes to politics. >> i think celebrity endorsements, people really don't care. i've nothing against taylor swift but i don't other people really care what taylor swift thinks because until she's paying your bills, is not really relevant.

you live a completely different lifestyle than some of these people. that are endorsing a candidate. it's irrelevant. what's more detrimental and has ruined our nation in many ways it is the movement. coming from the fbi, the way they prioritize dei over mission, that was startling. one of the reasons i left the fbi. as a woman who applied to the fbi, hired to work 50 times harder at the fbi would hide no problem doing, i loved being an agent. to prove i'm here because i'm qualified, not just because i am a woman. i think dei has the reverse effect on a lot of people who are actually qualified and you have to prove yourself that much harder. but again, that's okay. i don't mind doing that. i think it is detrimental. when you go to protect someone, no one is asking, is this agent of female? what is their race or gender question right they do not care. they want to know they're going to be safe and protected. speaker pretty sure donald trump

will eradicate dei via lawsuit, legislation, or executive action. >> i certainly hope so. to paraphrase the great charles krauthammer, he said something like when the blood starts to flow in the ship start to sink, everything changes. that's exactly what you brought up. i had a similar expanse as an intelligence officer in afghanistan working with special operations forces and you learned that competence is the currency and when things get real then you have to perform and it hearkens back to what america was founded on and what we intrinsically believe. we believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of result. stick a fork in dei, i hope it's gone forever. the other one i would say is the death of traditional canvassing. this is interesting because -- well. i do like looking people in the eye, as a tech person i think we are losing it and it's a bad thing but it's important to understand this was the

new media election. going on joe rogan benefited from. trump saw he could tap into a different demographic can use technology for good in that respect so sorry, traditional canvassing when i'm really excited to see what's next. >> molly: i want to defend the new hampshire primary and most handshakes and the baby kissing, i want all of it. the thing i would like to see is this new guard that's been promised. president biden promised to be the traditional candidate and held on and that never happened and we are seeing the trump administration coming with this young cabinet in their 40s, many of them are in their 40s. there is this new guard being built on the republican side and there's a real opportunity on the democratic side as we head into 2028. i can only imagine what those primaries are going to be like. perhaps we will see new young faces entering politics. even a discussion of term limits

which could reinvigorate the process. not that i am for or against term limits but it's an interesting discussion. as we try to reinvigorate and give new life into politics. >> dr. marc: i love this list. i will go through a couple. the endorsements, i have a big fight with my kids going on. taylor swift versus bob dylan. he listened to taylor swift music right now what she says politically. dylan come off course. i'm winning because the dylan movie is great. tony fauci, nobody's listening to him anymore. the only one i want to say is politics on "saturday night live." with donald trump coming and i want that coming back. you know why? because i love the fake people that pretend to be someone. trump is going to want to host "saturday night live." he will be terrific. >> i keep thinking the celebrity

endorsements and i wonder if it's because america has moved towards trusting navy influencers over celebrities or is it because of his antielite sentiment that has crisscrossed the nation, swept the nation? i don't know. there were 37 celebrities who endorsed kamala harris and it didn't work. >> my thought, when beyonce didn't sing. sometimes it makes things worse. meanwhile, james taylor is grabbing his guitar and traveling all over the country. at the level of enthusiasm a given celebrity shows or doesn't show could also affect how much power they have across -- their fans. >> dr. marc: and what they actually say. woody guthrie. "this land is your land." >> i'm excited for the trends on the new poll shows how americans are as we head into 2025. that's next.

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>> times square. hours to go into the new year, new ap poll is giving us a look at americans expectations for 2025, finding 42% believe the new year will be better for them personally but just 35% said it will be better for the united states as a whole. let's break it down a little bit. the overwhelming majority of positive respondents identified as republicans. democrats were much more pessimistic. the 56% of republicans reported feeling feelings of hopefulness for the new year. 40% of dems reported feelings of stress. president electronic is promising to bring all-americans along. >> november 25th 2024, justice will be done. we will take back our country and make america great again.

america will always rise to every challenge and overcome every danger. >> donald trump seems to always get stronger when challenged. these types of things i think give him strength. >> when i'm reelected, i will totally obliterate the deep state. >> as long as we have pride in our beliefs, courage and our convictions, and faith in our god, then we will not fail. >> this is the tone you want an incoming president to strike. dr. siegel, these feelings, these deeply held feelings. is that understandable? given the very end of the election season. remember president trump was painted as someone who was really a most evil to an extent, as a misogynist, racist, as a

fascist, someone who has nazi sympathies. so if you were a believer in that, that's where you got your ideas from. you might be feeling nervous heading into a new administration. speak i have a prescription. a study out of the university of nebraska on kevin smith, political scientist, shows the same thing. more anxiety, more depression after the election among democrats that won't let go of the idea that trump is evil. my perception is look at it from a different point of view. get up in the morning and say here is the president that doesn't use a teleprompter much, that speak his mind, connection to tell what he thinks. maybe the border will be more secure. find an issue, find something you think might actually be better. give the man a chance, let go of your hatred coming or bad feelings, especially with the new year, that's what psychologist would say. mental health is definitely separate among republicans versus democrats now hear republicans rejoicing, democrats angry, won't let go of their

anger. they need to. >> even tune it out. a couple of segments go we were tilde hatred by journalists on television. saying we don't understand the maga supporters. they have to be greedy and evil in this than that. tune it out. if you can't get on board, tune it out and you can at least focus on yourself and making feel a little bit more optimistic. we have less than 12 hours until 2025. i would love to think that the border is going to be secure. that we are going to make more money, prices are going to come down, we will feel safer, that it's okay to say something not so politically correct and there'll be no cancel culture or no repercussions. i would like to breathe a sigh of relief and i think those are some things people can get behind. >> can i just say it? i am so happy. so happy. it feels like america has breathe that collective sigh of relief. people just seem, there's a

spring in their step on the streets people were saying merry christmas and spending more. we love it. get the gdp up. i'm so happy. merry christmas. a woke fog has lifted. let's celebrate it. >> absolutely, i am with you. americans feel hope and regard us of where you stand on the political spectrum, give president trump a chance and i love that he is about defending and protecting everybody and when he popped back up on july 13th and he said fight, fight, fight, that touched every american. that touched every human being around the world regardless of how you felt about him. i really feel strongly about that and i think that's when a lot of people said let's give this man a chance. that's we want to be in charge. as far as new year's resolutions, no help is at the top of the list and that's very important. without help you really don't have anything so that something

i want to focus on. being healthy, getting in shape, helping others in give service. >> as an american regardless of any election outcome, we are blessed to live in this country and you can always enter a new year with help because we share values. regardless of who the president is, we share american values. >> dr. marc: two quick things. barack obama said there are no red states or blue states. these are the united states. that sentiment we need now. after 9/11 when president bush stood up on that car, everybody supported him. we need that now too. let's give president comp a chance even if you're a democrat, let's hope he succeeds. >> it's going to be a good year. more "outnumbered" coming up next. ♪ ♪

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>> they light it up. that was new year's in bangkok, thailand. more cities around the world enter 2025 which brings us to the latest last but not least of 2024. surprising, new associated press poll and how americans are ringing in the new year. just 5% will go to a bar or restaurant. one respondent says they are staying in because of expensive party packages. no joke. and the entry fees. i'm staying in too. >> oh no, i can top all of you with my plans tonight. are you ready? i am officiating my oldest friends wedding. >> that's beautiful! >> i'm very nervous. i'm honored. i hope i don't cry. >> you will do a wonderful job. >> the entire family is going. it will be a memorable new year's eve. congratulations to those two who are not watching now. >> i think after this, the doctor will commitment to the loony bin. i'm staying in a hotel on

times square with a toddler and i can't drink, so that's going to be me tonight. >> you could have one sip of champagne. i have a champagne i have been saving. i'm saving a french champagne that is like 50 years old. even chocolate some going to eat. you could have a sip or two. >> we will talk after the show. >> don siegel is going wild after the show. >> i am heading on an airplane going home. >> you will make it in time. that is our dream for you. clear skies. i will be in bed by 10:00 p.m. and well rested tomorrow. america, yes. [laughter] thank you everyone. have a happy new year. thank you for joining us. coming up next is "america reports." >> people around the globe ringing in the new year as the nation's top tourist location gets ready to mark the start of 2025 with security at the forefront of preparations. i am griff jenkins. happy new year, julie.