[ ♪ ♪ ] >> the los angeles county wildfires are approaching 36,00e city. at least ten people are dead. thousands of homes and businesses left in ashes. firefighters are currently battling 5 fires with some percent containment which is the one encouraging note we have. time lapse video shows just how fast-moving these fires can be. look at that. imagine that roaring fire approaching your home. that was the reality for so many in l.a. we begin with jonathan hunt in pacific palisades. jonathan. >> and that, kayeigh, was the reality for thousands and a terrifying reality it was. among those who had to literally run for their lives and in many cases be helped to run for their lives were children who were

here at the methodist church preschool. and as you can see, if they hadn't been able to get out of here, you can just imagine what would have happened. this is the result of the fire for this building. you can see parts of the church tower still standing. and i just want to show you a little glimpse. we're talking about tiny little kids here. and there's a tradition at this church school that at the end of every year, when they graduate, the kids paint a tile, put their name on it, and leave it. they were all affixed to this wall. all the way around this wall. year after year the kids did this. and now they are all lying on the ground here. yesterday, as we were here, some parents were coming along and they were sifting through the rubble. all around here. just trying to find their child's tile. this was a much loved school in this community. i just want to pan back up, brian, if you can to the left. you were talking a lot about looters before, and the law

enforcement effort to keep them out. we got there and lapd chopper flying over the scene. they're taking a look at everything. there are a lot of black and whites we've seen driving around here, as well, keeping an eye on everything right now, and again, this is the devastation, as we look up the street here, you can see how much there is behind me and we -- i want to take you across here if we have time, brian, and let's just take a walk over here, and this -- we're in the parking lot behind the methodist church. can you see how much destruction there is and then we've talked a lot had this week about palisades charter high school. that is the high school -- you can see parts of it. 30% of that has been destroyed. 3,000 children attend that school. all of them and their parents are still waiting for word as to whether they will be allowed back from their winter break which is to conclude on monday. we don't know yet. we're still waiting for that word. and then, brian, i don't know if you can get this far, if you have enough capable.

but i want to show you down here, there's a lot of talk always about the palisades being home to a lot of wealthy movie stars and producers. well, these -- there's a lot of ordinary middle class americans who live here too. these are all small homes and apartments. you can see as we tilt up slightly, a white picket fence there. those are small homes. a lot of people, i can tell you, knowing this personally, a lot of people move into this neighborhood. they take a smaller home, a smaller apartment just because they want their kids to go to pali high which is a very good school and a lot of people make sacrifices for their children to live here, and a lot of people will come home and find that this is all that is left of those homes. it is a tragedy for thousands and thousands of people in this community and as we now know other communities around l.a. it is going to take a long, long time for this neighborhood to recover from this and for the thousands and thousands of people affected and their

children to recover both physically and, of course, mentally from what the trauma that they have been through. >> kayleigh: no doubt, jonathan, and i know you mentioned your daughter attended pali high, and you waited for an update and 30% of the high school is destroyed, and returning to the tiles for a moment, and i was struck by the crosses that were painted. i saw a little girl's name "stella" painted out. and you mentioned parents going there to recover the tile of their preschooler. were you able to talk to any of the parents, observe them? i imagine it has to be so incredibly emotional. >> yeah, and as we walk back towards that church and that preschool, and i put brian through more difficulties as a cameraman, and i hope he will forgive me, and walking back to where the tiles are, yeah we talked to the parents and a lot of them did not want to be on camera because they are still frankly, kayeigh, so traumatized

by this. and they are coming up here and processing the trauma, and part of that processing of the trauma is to come here and do things leak that and just get what thed just get what they can in terms of a memory. yeah, you are looking at stella, maxwell, henry. all of these names. and people just -- it's part of dealing with the trauma is to save something, anything. these are people who are walking up here just with a bag. a bag of possessions. all they could get from their home. this is just one more thing that they can take and keep and it's part of what helps them, we hope, get through all of this, kayeigh. >> kayleigh: jonathan, thank you, those children and your family are all in our prayers. >> thank you. >> kayleigh: as we mentioned, these fires left ten people dead and over 10,000 homes and other buildings totally destroyed to rubble. the numbers tragically are expected to rise. bill melugin is near the palisades fire in west l.a., the

most disruptive wildfire in the city's history. bill, you said you have seen nothing like this. >> kayeigh, i haven't. we're in the pacific palisades which has been completely scorched. we're seeing an emotional scene behind us right now. we don't know these two gentlemen. it appears to be a father and son. they just walked past us. it appears this is the first time they are seeing their property here. the younger gentleman is crying. he's looking around. we heard him say "there's just nothing left." there's nothing. again we don't want to assume too much. we haven't had a chance to talk to them. they walked by us. they went through the front gate, and they both appear to be emotional. it appears that this would be their property and this would be the first time they're having a chance to show up here and sift through what is left of it. we don't know if it's a father-son. but the younger gentleman was very, very emotional. as soon as he came around this corner here, he put his hands over his face once he saw the

house. and we did hear him say, you know, there's just -- there's nothing left. it sounds like he was hoping there might be maybe something he could pull from the rubble. so we'll let them have their moment there. we don't want to be too intrusive. but we want to show you what has happened to the rest of the neighborhood. this is the intersection of rimmer and whitfield, and that story is going to be played out thousands of times. we have 5,000 destroyed structures at least here at this pacific palisades fire. and we can pan down here. every single house on this street here, rimmer, has been completely wiped out. it's just the foundations. it's just stunning to see. really, some of the other things we're seeing left in tact with these houses, keith, you can show, it looks like we've seen this with several of the houses we have passed by, the water mains are broken. we know there were serious issues with the water the night of the fire. but many of these houses, we can pan down further, just have gushing water hereafter the

homes collapsed and their lines broke, and you can see how wet the streets are. every single street is like this. gushing water, apparently down to the ocean. basically every single home at the intersection of whitfield and rimmer is wiped out. these homes are higher up on the hills. they were likely some of the first homes impacted when the flames came rushing through here on tuesday morning. but it's just heart wrenching to see. we haven't seen a whole lot of residents coming through here. there have been so many police checkpoints, it's very difficult to get in here. and keith, we can wheel around one more time to these two gentlemen as, you know, it's -- i can only imagine. it's -- it's just heart wrenching. we can hear him sobbing from here. to have everything you have gone just like that at the snap of the fingers, with how fast this fire moved. unfortunately it's a story that is playing out with thousands of people right now. and a lot of people are going to

need help and once folks are able to get up here and actually take a look at their properties, see what is and what isn't anymore, it's -- it's just tough, guys. you know, there's going to be a ton of people that need help and everybody is watching the coverage of these fires, probably on different local tv channels. they're not able to know what happened to their home. and these are some of the first folks finally trickling in here getting eyes on. you know what happened here. and it's just tough to see. but pacific palisades is has essentially been wiped off the map. a large chunk of it. back to you. >> kayleigh: bill, that is such a jarring image, that young man. i can't imagine rounding your corner and year entire home, all the memories, everything where you grew up just reduced to a war zone. keep us updated, bill. heartbreaking. hello, everyone, this is "outnumbered." and i'm here with my cohost

harris faulkner and emily compagno and julie banderas and guy benson i saw one woman say last night, the ashes of my brother are in my home. the only memories of my mother. things so deeply personal gone. >> and the reality is that the blessing of having survived and living through it is -- i mean that is paramount. as you start to put the pieces of your life back together, those things are so meaningful, and you can't get them back and the heirlooms that are generational inheritance, and i have loved ones that lost everything in the tubbs fire. i'm from j northern california, and the trauma lasts years. you don't rebuild right away. and it's frightening, the sound of the fire coming, and the speed which is absolutely sort of incomprehensible.

i have a dear friend who after everything -- her entire compound eradicated. her family's home and the only thing left was a christening medal from her son's christening and she found it in the exact spot where it would have been her jewelry box. there is nothing to describe the speed, the ferocity, and the totality. as these people are trying to build and put the pieces back together, and they're dealing with water contamination, and dealing with resources, they're dealing with supply chains. they are dealing with logistics at a time when they are absolutely heartbroken and devastated. and at a time when the resources are already spread thin there. my compassion is limitless. nimy heart goes out to these people and i advise prayer first and foremost, and take it one step at a time. >> kayleigh: well said. and you hear of the popups, and i hear of the santa ana winds

sunday, and this is a crl time period. >> harris: and winds at dangerous levels again. not 100 miles an hour, but high, forecast for monday, as well, and you have to deal with quickly sunday night into monday and what that could mean. the reason i brought it up is our reporter bill melugin was standing in a neighborhood and you could see smoke smoldering and he turned around and pointed out the destruction. i thought what about the smoke. that could be a hot spot. and the county police or police chief marrone said some of the toxicity of the debris left behind is so high that they want to be able to test that and really make sure it's safe to go back. but you see the young man and the other who we believe potentially could be his dad, older gentlemen. if they are touching things, they got to be careful. but we understand. look i want to get to something that happened during the news conference, and that was the focus on the broken emergency system, and one of the officials said -- was chiding citizens for

not having their alert notifications on on their cell phones, and they said it's a phone system and they can't figure it out and the mayor got into donating to the wildlife relief fund which is very important. they've raised $2 million apparently. and we have that across our screen during the news conference. my concern is that you do have people who want to go back and get their things. what are you telling them about toxic materials? as emily pointed out, if you have people going back, you could have volunteers standing in some of the larger neighborhoods as people go back to make sure that people are entering in a safe manner and they are okay when they leave. there is so much work to be done on the ground. wildlife donation is important. it's one of the richest cities in the world. you don't think they have $2 million they can give. seemed really weird information mixed in with very important information. >> julie. >> julie: 180,000 people were

evacuated. this is not a surprise. it's like when you are in florida and a hurricane hit the you, and wow, it's hurricane season, and it's wildfire season and you know families have been prepared for years, but is the state of california prepared? no, they were not. there is no explanation why there was no water at the fire hhydrants, and why the firefighters were strapped. and i need to know why this happened and what could have been done to prevented it. the people of california, including the liberals, and the celebrities are absolutely disgusted and, there is so much more to come out of this, and governor newsom has explaining to do. enough with the excuses. >> guy benson: this is so personal to so many people and including our dear friend and college at fox, kennedy. and i spent time with her last night. and jonathan showed us the methodist preschool and that's where her daughters went, and to see it destroyed was emotional

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>> harris: we're getting brand new reactionce that this happened just a short time ago. an hour ago. judge juan merchan sentenced trump to an unconditional discharge on those 34 felony counts of falsifying business records and that means no jail time. no fines. no conditions. however the conviction stands. and for the first time in trump's new york criminal case, we're getting audio from inside the courtroom. now remember last hour we listened to its entirety. let's watch. >> president-elect trump: it's been a tremendous setback for new york and the new york court system. this is a case that alvin bragg did not want to bring. he thought it was -- from what i read and from what i hear inappropriately handled before he got there. part of the records that we're talking about -- they're saying, i just noticed, where he said i was falsifying business records.

well, the falsification of business records as they say was calling a legal expense in the books where everybody could see them a legal expense. in other words, legal fee or legal expense were put down by accountants. they weren't put down by me. and for this, i got indicted. it's been a political witch-hunt it. was done to damage my reputation so i would lose the election, and obviously that didn't work. and the people of our country got to see this firsthand because they watched it in the courtroom. they get to see this firsthand and then they voteed and i won. it's been a weaponization of government. they call it lawfare. never happened to any -- except like this. but never happened in our country before. and i would just like to explain that i was treated very, very unfairly. >> harris: all right, so you were listening there, and again we have that full audio last hour.

emily, can you put into context for us what this means for trump moving ahead? i kind of heard two streams. he can appeal. there is some reversible error he should be able to win on and alvin bragg, district attorney, to thirsty, the liberal who ran on going after trump and as many liberals in high legal places did, jonathan turley says he gets a victory of sorts because donald trump, that case stands against him, and liberals can call him a convict. talk to me about those two lanes. >> emily: i loved how he described it. he said it's a thrill-kill. that's it. it's the trophy the sound bite of a convicted felon in office. we saw that crowing, sort of spreading across the nation when he was first convicted. i note that while the assistant d.a. in his remarks said ironically unanimously and decisively, and that's part of the crux, and that is part of the error. unanimous in what way? we don't know based on the lack of specificity or the lack of

accountability of requesting the unanimity with whatever the underlying crime would have been, we have no idea on what grounds the jurors came to that conclusion. that is one example. and i note this and that is the perceived object jectivity of the judge is anything but. and he said the circumstances are extraordinary, and he paused to make sure that the inflection represented how he felt. but not the occupant of the position. he made it to anyone surrounding this that he is the beast to be named and he could have done so without the inverse, and could have done so without the contrast, and everything they were saying is for the record with the lofty i take seriously, and you could hear in the choice the disdain he feels for the defendant. who will prevail, i'm confident upon his appeal. >> harris: you know what, we couldn't miss the tone that

we're talking about. i was trying to see am i hearing the tone because it's there or we have heard it before or what was it? we suspect lawfare or is that real acrimony coming from this person? are they -- is this not enough for alvin bragg? is this not going to be enough? are they still going to go after him? i don't know. but that acrimony in the voice you heard, i heard to, emily, guy. >> guy benson: and the judge in this case, of course, is a biden donor. something that needs to be mentioned at every turn. and look, i understand there is some sort of strange to me fist pumping, and high-fiveing on the left about officially trump is a convicted felon. they were calling him a convicted felon as soon as the verdict came in. >> harris: that's right. >> guy benson: did you notice during the campaign the democrats started to shy away from that line. they weren't going back to that well. and it's not because they wanted to be the bigger man or they were engaging in restraint. it is because i'm absolutely convinced they were doing their

polling and focus group and realized it wasn't working. and of course, trump won the election anyway. so now he has the opportunity to appeal. this is a technicality. now he's officially a convicted felon. he's also someone who will occupy the oval office very soon. >> harris: i hope they didn't spend too much money on the polling and the focus groups, and voters will tell you boldly lawfare, and when it was over, and kerri urbahn had art, and she had the signs printed out, and they had lawfare in there. >> it was abuse of the legal system, and as you mentioned, no jail time, no charges, no fines. in other words no point. i am glad you brought it up, and i will bring it up again, and the judge is a bide donor. if you can argue it's a fair trial when you have a judge that is donating to joe biden and he is the one proceeding over the

case. it's ridiculous. i believe the appeal system will go in trump's favor. i think it will be interesting for him to bring up the immunitl immunity in that. this opens the door to argue that. >> 9 days out from him taking -- >> crazy. >> harris: the helm as commander-in-chief of the greatest country ontario the --e planet, and 9 days out, and new york taxpayers paid a lot of money, do they get a tax credit? this was fully -- if they don't punish or do anything and julie was talking about and click the box of running ads when they run politically again, and convicted felon. do new yorkers have to pay for the political donation? if so is it tax-free, do they get an off set? i'm not kidding. >> unfortunately, the ow answers no. but yes. the whole point of the exercise today was a talking point and get convicted felon, and i have to laugh when the prosecutor

said trump's attacks are unsubstantiated. are you kidding me? people like to read the new york times, and this was the zombie case, and nobody wants to bring it, and trump's attacks were substantiateed and at cnn, he said this is not the zombie case, it is the frankenstein case because it will turn on its creator. and it did. 7 0e m70 million people who watd the trial still voted for him and largest raw vote count of any republican president that won in this history. >> harris: a lot of sci-fi in that, s zombies, and winds are coming in forecast sunday for monday, and a little bit of containment in some of those, and we're still watching it. threatening thousands of homes and businesses still. live on the ground with the latest, next.

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[ ♪ ♪ ] >> malibu is one of the many los angeles areas communities totally devastated by the palisades fire. robert ray from fox weather is standing by with the latest from there. >> good afternoon to you, from an absolutely tragic scene from malibu and the pch -- the pacific coast highway. and my gosh, look behind me, as far as the eye can see. structures, homes, memories destroyed by these raging fires. electrical lines without electricity running through that have fallen and collapsed by these winds and these unbelievable fires. fire storms, if you will. this fire that has affected malibu and the pacific palisades and by the way, we have water coming out of the hydrant, something that a lot of firemen were having issues with in the past few days. but this fire, the pacific palisades fire has burned more

than 20,000 acres as we speak right now. the most acreage in any l.a. county history of fires, and significant total. and 30,000 acres on the five fires still burning here, and 8% containment at this point, and some of the neighborhoods up in the hills in palisades are absolutely decimateed and still smoldering and by the way, when you see all of the smoke that continues to come out of all of this wreckage below here, the mangled steel and all of the -- just destruction here, hurricane-force winds that went through here several days ago. 70 to 100-mile-an-hour santa ana winds, kicking up the fires, moving them across the valleys and the hillsides, and ruining all of this area. the containment is an issue. there are thousands of personnel on the ground to try to fight this. ten people have lost their lives unfortunately.

and there are a lot of answers that need to be taken very seriously. residents are very frustrated. they want to find out exactly how all of this happened and where the support is and if the support came too late. in the meantime, men and women are fighting these with everything they have from the air and the ground, doing their best. but look at this destruction. malibu. everybody knows malibu. in total disarray. back to you. >> kayleigh: now, disarray where homes to block the border there between the pacific and the highway, and now ghastly images. robert, thank you. california governor gavin newsom and los angeles mayor karen bass are both facing criticism that they were unprepared for the disaster. william la jeunesse is in our political bureau. >> people are angry and saying what are we paying taxes for and dei, and paying for expenses of

illegal migrants. this is not about stopping mother nature. people asking the governors and people in charge what they did or didn't do about the situation. to mitigate the problem beforehand or respond to it later. listen to the woman confronting governor newsom. >> that was my daughter's school, governor, please tell m, i am promise. >> i'm literally talking to the president right now to specifically answer the question of what we can do for you and your daughter. >> why was there no water in the hydrants, governor? >> it's all -- >> is it going to be different next time? >> it has to be. >> i would fill up the hydrants myself. >> i understand. >> wobut would you do that? >> i would do whatever i can. >> but you're not! >> taking heat, mayor karen bass abandoned the city for africa two days after the national weather service forecasted

record santa ana winds. >> what explains the rapid preparation and rapid response? >> i think the focus of all of us with one voice is that we have to protect lives, we have to save lives, and we have to save homes. rest assured that -- >> but that did not happen. >> rest assured -- >> can you address the criticism now over the budget issue and the slashing $17 million -- >> you know there were no reductions that were made that would have impacted the situation. >> there's an argument about that. finally some real absurdity. look at here, twice the county sent out evacuation alerts by mistake to thousands of anglenos, and apologized by alert. and people are on pins and needles and the phone goes off, and telling you to leave, and it's stressful, and then they tell you that was a mistake. people are angry.

it's emblematic of a situation that people are waking up to, that this is not working for them. back to you. >> kayleigh: creates a lot of distrust. william, thank you. julie, that footage of the reporter who is also a mother confronting her governor was really interesting. something to see. >> julie: that woman has gone viral and for very good reason because she is representing thousands of californians who want to say the exact same thing to their governor. why are we in this position? why are we concerned about housing illegal migrants and protecting sanctuary cities and dei when this city, and los angeles and all of the surrounding areas are not prepared properly and i feel so sorry for the residents and it's not just the rich. as jonathan hunt pointed out, they are the middle class. >> of course. >> this is a reality and a wakeup moment for the state of california and the democrats running the place. >> there seems to be a bit of a shell game going on, and i want to play the clip from gavin newsom, when asked, he points to

local government. >> what is the situation with the water palisades ran out and the hydrants, and the firefighters on this block and they left because there was no water in the hydrant here. >> the local folks are trying to figure it out. the hydrants are typical two or three fires, maybe one fires, and something of this scale, and that again is going to be determined by the local. >> guys, wednesday, and maybe he had just gotten out the scene, and i can't imagine governor did desantis who handled hurricane brilliantly saying oh, go check with the local. >> and the clip with anderson cooper, and the governor of california throws up his hands, not figuratively. but he throws up his hands and says ask the locals, and that is a frustrating answer for many californians. and think of the mayor out of country for so long and comes back one mistake after the other, and the misfire emergency alerts. yikes. >> harris? >> harris: the emergency alert system i was talking about moments after our newscast

started and that is the citizens were being chided at the news conference for not having their notifications on on the cell phones. if the information is not something you can trust anymore, that's a frustrating situation for people. so it's -- you know, they have silicone valley just a few hundred miles north. they should go up there and get somebody to come down and clean up their communications so they can do what they really need to do. another time i'll give you karen bass' timeline. it's fascinating. >> emily. >> emily: the most prescient point that that mother made is what will happen next me pattern california. more than half of the largest wildfires in state history of the largest 20 have occurred in the last five years. for her to go up to gavin newsom who is the governor of the whole state, and northern california went through as i described. up to 30% of the wildland firefighting force in the state of california is incarcerated and gavin newsom decided to

reduce the program and a million decisions by him, having direct impact on prevention and also the collaboration with pg&e, ad the regulations and the regulatory structures there, and the people's insurance, and the power, and the power outage, the water, the resupply, the firefighters, the wildland resources, and then now how you handle emergency messaging services, and then the rebuild. in all of those -- in that constellation, in that million chapter approach and what you have to deal with of firefighting there in the state of california, he fails every single step of the way and then blames it on locals. for someone that has national aspirations, i would think he would want to boost collaboration with others. >> lots of questions and let's hope we get semblance of accountability in the coming days. more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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[ ♪♪ ] >> well, a federal appeals court has ruled that special counsel jack smith can release part of his report on trump's election interference case. although the charges have been dropped, smith is still required by law to release a final report. now that redacted volume 1 could be made public as soon as this sunday. let's bring in jonathan turley, fox news contributor and constitutional law attorney for more on this. jonathan, welcome. all right, what say you about this? >> thank you. >> emily: judge aileen cannon says it's irreversible error if you let it go public. now the appeals court says you can release it anyway. what is going to happen? >> this is the result we expected because they're not going to release the portion of the report that deals with the florida documents case because there are defendants still pending in that case. but this is unfortunately the outcome of a really

ill-considered special counsel investigation. i mean, jack smith is the ultimate parade general. he did a lot of parading and never saw the inside of a trial on these cases. and the problem that i have with that is that i think that these cases were fundamentally flawed particularly the case that is going to be the subject of this release. this argument that he made that he has evidence of interference with this election and the case he brought in washington, i think, was riddled with constitutional problems. not the least of which was the first amendment. i believe the president had protected free speech interests that jack smith just -- just brushed aside. >> emily: so talk to us about the legal implications, if any, of this release and the real-world implication. does it have the potential to damage president trump's execution, fulfillment of his duties as president after this is released?

>> look, i think this is speaking to a jury that has already left the courthouse. there's going to be a lot of people that read this. a lot of media folks that are going to echo whatever he says in this report. it is a one-sided report, obviously. this is not a trial. this is what the prosecutors wanted to prove. so you can take that for what it's worth. but the american people already rendered a bit of a verdict in the last election. they -- you know, set aside this narrative from the media, from the prosecutors, from judges like juan merchan. they turned their back on all of that and said that they believed a lot of this was indeed lawfare. now, keep in mind that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. so there's another torpedo in the water, if i mix my metaphors enough. and that is we're expecting the report on hunter biden which is also going to be released. >> emily: so much to come, jonathan turley, and we're grateful for your analysis for all of it as it always develop.

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