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it's 7:00 a.m. on the east coast. friday, january 17th. this is "fox & friends" a fox news alert. a live look right now in israel. the prime minister netanyahu's office as the security cabinet meets to discuss the cease-fire and hostage release deal after yesterday's somewhat hold up somewhat pause. we will bring you any developments as they happen. >> ainsley: plus a busy week of confirmation hearings wraps up today with dhs pick kristi noem. senator rand paul will be in the room and he will preview the day for us. plus, president biden claiming this after years of high prices under his leadership. >> red states really screwed up. in terms of the way they handle the economy and handle manufacturing. >> lawrence: exactly. the second hour of "fox & friends" starts right now. >> steve: all right. meanwhile, let's start this hour off later this morning donald trump's pick for homeland security secretary nominee, south dakota governor kristi

noem is set to be on capitol hill as senate confirmation hearings for president-elect trump's cabinet continue on this friday. >> lawrence: madeleine rivera joins us live from washington with what we can expect. good morning, madeleine. >> madeleine: immigration is expected to take center stage when nominee kristi noem appears before the homeland senate committee this morning. if she is confirmed nome would work closely with incoming border czar tom homan to carry out president-elect trump's mass deportation plans. in her opening statement nome says in part border security must remain a top priority as the nation we have the right and responsibility to secure our borders against those who do us harm. and we must create a fair and lawful immigration system that is efficient and effective and that reflects our values. nome will face other policy questions, too on fema, for instance, which is under the purview of did. hs. fema's performance under the

spotlight after the hurricanes in florida and the carolinas and, of course, the wildfires in california. she would also oversee the secret service, which she says is in need of reform after the two assassination attempts on trump's life. and she will likely be pressed on the heightened threat environment in the country after the new orleans terrorism attack last month. nome will also be engaged in the battle over cybersecurity, including threats against china. lawrence, steve, ainsley and brian. >> steve: maddy, the way you summarized her duties, she has got a lot on her plate. >> madeleine: i don't think people realize how big of a role this is under the dhs this is an agency that oversees a workforce of more than 200,000 employees so, yeah. it's certainly a big role. there is a lot to watch this morning. >> steve: madeleine rivera live from the bureau. thank you very much. >> of course. >> brian: i'm sure they are going to be aggressive going at kristi noem. people think think that running a state does not get you ready for this job. keep in mind an office created by joe lieberman adopted by george w. bush.

there was no job. they console daytoned everything into one. it's always been unwieldy. i would love to see a restructuring and maybe a spin off on some of the elements in that. but, in the meantime, she has been studying for two months. i think she is going to be ready to go. she does not rattle. they will bring up some of her red state policies. >> i wouldn't be surprised if they brought up some of the ways she handled covid many people challenged her on that. >> lawrence: she can't be worse than what we got right now. somebody that just opened up the border. we have had two assassination attempts on a president. secret service is not going so well. tsa is a joke. so, i mean, i say give her a shot. >> she has managed a state. she has more experience than the current secretary of homeland security. see what she can accomplish. >> ainsley: what she has done for the state's economy. she said hey, if you are not happy in new york. if you are not happy in california. if you lost your house in california, move to my state. and whatever -- whatever your license is, if you are a lawyer, if you are a dentist. if you are a dental hygienist, i will accept you here. you don't have to take a

certification test again. we will honor your certification from whatever state you are from. >> steve: so there is a lot on her plate if she becomes the secretary of the department of homeland security. but then again, i have seen those commercials, they run on fox, she is a welder. she has done all sorts of jobs. so she would be great. but, brian to your point about maybe they will spin some stuff off. does it really make sense for the secret service to be he part of the department of homeland security when it could be part of the department of justice, fbi. used to be treasury. that seems more aligned with things. i wonder whether or not doge the department of government efficiency does it really make sense to have this agency, whatever it is, in this particular branch of the administration? i wouldn't be surprised if they said let's try to move that over there and we'll have -- we can make more efficient and it just makes better sense which ultimately washington doesn't do much. >> brian: so far i think president trump has got to be pleased. you watched his nominees just

killing it. >> lawrence: they have been crushing it. you saw that they went after pete and also they went after pam bondi. okay. and then they asked that ridiculous question of governor burgum have you ever paid off a woman for sexual advances? >> lawrence: still doing that. >> brian: came out of nowhere one of the first stories on foxnews.com. that was the first question. >> steve: she asks everybody that. >> lawrence: don't you get the question democrats are out of their league when it comes to nominations. i'm asking some of the questions that they are posing to the people in the debate back and forth. they are getting owned every single time. pete handled himself well. pam bondi got major moments. burgum killed it. >> brian: scott bessent on the oligarchs. george soros didn't he get a medal of freedom award? >> lawrence: i know the age thing is not exclusive to one party, but you got this youth in the trump appointments and they are just shining. >> ainsley: i don't think it has as much to do with the

appointees. i think it has to do with donald trump. they can't stand him when the democrats are on the panel they are spiraling going after each of these candidates. >> steve: i will tell you this. if matt gaetz were still the nominee. >> ainsley: oh, gosh. >> steve: department of justice, attorney general. you got to figure it would be much different. but, obviously, they saw the writing on the wall. people started to hear the drip, drip, drip of different stuff. and that's when the plug was pulled on him. >> brian: waiting for dates, r.f.k., tulsi gabbard, elise stefanik. kash patel. three that are going to be electric. but both really -- if you ever dealt with tulsi gabbard on or off camera. she is very conover sent and back up her views now a lot of democratic allies and now republican allies see if anyone i think she evidently has had really good interviews when she -- >> ainsley: and then in the "new york post" democratic

establishment pushed them out of their party. that will be interesting how they handle her. >> brian: rogers r.f.k. and intellect. his intellect is off the charts. good luck trying to engage him. >> lawrence: i hope as we get to the rest of the nominations that some of the quells are legitimate questions, asking him how they are going to run the department. what type of oversight. what type of reform they want to do within the department. instead of all this other nonsense. i think like the kavanaugh type noise. it's just not working. >> brian: i loved sean duffy. the duffy's all there. all the kids were there and you really get the sense that they really like him. hard for democrats hard to challenge. >> steve: kids like him? >> brian: i should make that clear. the kids like him. >> steve: i hope so. >> brian: i think democrats like him. questioning hard not to like sean. >> ainsley: they always like transportation secretaries because they want money for their state to build roads and

airports and infrastructure. >> brian: show up in case of a catastrophe i guarantee you that. >> steve: also he knows better than anybody, every member of congress for the most part except the people that live in the proximate area around washington, d.c. fly every weekend. you know, generally we are going to talk about this in a minute. a lot of lawmakers essentially just work tuesday, wednesday, thursday and they are in their home districts doing work there the rest of time. so they are very attune to american airlines. >> ainsley: sean they know his reputation. nine children. their story is so sweet. >> brian: one thing i love about having this job we have the "fox & friends" plane. so we do not have to fly with the masses. we have the "fox & friends" private jet. we go on our own. >> lawrence: your plane. don't try to include us in your little plane situation. >> steve: do you know what, brian, somebody watching right now probably believes you. of course they have got -- yeah they have got planes and they have got limos. always talking about your butler. >> ainsley: brian actually does

have a plane. the nicest guy who watches us. he watches our show. >> steve: now you are backing away. >> brian: i'm going to total burrow and wait for a ride. >> ainsley: brian any time you need flown around i will. he feels bad doesn't want to the guy is so nice. i love it i need the hours on my plane. >> brian: then again i want to be with the people. that's why you might see me on a jet american and delta. my chance to meld with people. >> lawrence: going to be in the freezing cold with me on monday. >> brian: i wish i could do that. i don't have my thermals. >> steve: on monday, joe biden loses the keys to air force one and during his final interview as president, joe defended his handling of inflation. and, do you know what? he is blaming red states and their governors for messing up red state economy. >> ainsley: our senior white house correspondent peter doocy joins us from the white house with the latest. hey, peter. >> peter: good morning on this president biden's last friday in

office. is he trying very hard to rewrite the history of his one and only term by minimizing the impact of inflation. and by claiming now for the first time that red states would be black and blue if it wasn't for him. >> i got a lot of criticism. understandably, we vin vested more in red states than blue states. >> that's in this book. that's on this report. >> well, for two reasons, one, red states really screwed up in terms of the way they handled their economy and handle manufacturing and the way they handle access to supply chains. >> peter: he did not provide any figures to back up his claims that red states would basically be in great depressions without his administration's steady hand. now the president is looking ahead to his last weekend in office and we're learning that long time traditions still have not been fully restored. we know in 2021 the trump skipped biden's inaugural festivities all together. now, in 2025, a lunch at the

capitol that former presidents typically attend is going to be skipped by the obamas, the clintons, and the bushes. we do expect the former first families to have a presence at the swearing in at the capitol. but that's about it. back to you. >> steve: last night over on msnbc a lot of people actually didn't see it was his last interview. he has only had a handful of formal press conferences. and i remember about four years ago when you were there on the north lawn, and barking questions at him, he famously said, you know, i got to go. if i answer those questions, i'm going to get in trouble with somebody. and, you know, whoever it is who is actually running the white house. they knew back then they had to keep him away from people who wanted to ask questions. >> peter: look at it now they minimized him and minimized him so much that his very few -- he

made so few public appearances when he did pop up, if he misspoke it would be the only thing that we had to go on for like two weeks is him making some mistake that they never sent him back out to clarify. a lot of it was stage craft. early on, when it was covid and social distancing it was like five people, including the press. and him in a big room and it was empty and shout to him and he could hear it. they started to get smarter from the perspective of keeping him from saying something off script. they would put a microphone like two feet inside of a door for him in some room on campus. and a door would open and he would go right to the microphone and then when he was done he would step right out. no chance to shout anything. >> lawrence: shuffle. >> peter: pack the room with hundreds of people suddenly show up and materialize between us and him. or, they found eventually the cord to public somebody's iphone in and just blast music so that people could not get

anything to him. so a lot of it was stage craft. and we don't think it's going to be exactly like that for trump because. >> ainsley: stark difference. >> steve: we were down there. i had a chance to speak to the president-elect at mar-a-lago, he came into the room and he said peter, it's been a couple years since you had a chance to ask a lot of questions, right? >> peter: and i said yes. and he said wait a second. and then he sat down and let me ask some questions for 22 minutes. and so we think it's -- we hope it's going to be more like that. >> steve: it's going to be refreshing. >> ainsley: more transparent. >> brian: last time press secretary for a while he didn't like how they were treating his press secretary so he took all the questions. i think that's interesting. also i think that joe biden said my problem is i'm not a huckster. i don't go and trumpet all my successes and i didn't put my name on the checks when i mailed them out to people.

that's my problem. i deferred all the credit. believe me, every time he talked it was i and me. >> lawrence: look also what he said he straight up lied talking about red states and how that the red states are the states that are struggling. >> ainsley: oh my gosh, i know. >> lawrence: we have a $24 billion surplus after funding the border ourselves because he didn't want to do it. ainsley, you are part time in florida. everybody is moving to florida as well. what is this reality that he is living in right now. >> ainsley: he blamed the red states that they really screwed up their economies. reports have found that the republican led states like florida and texas, your state recovered more quickly, far more quickly than the blue states did after the pandemic. then he also insisted that his -- he had a great inflation record and he defended it. but the labor department just said on wednesday, inflation rose by 2.9% in december up from 2.7% in november. and it's -- the highest rate since july of 2024. >> brian: he is great at inflation. he is really mastered it.

keep it up. >> steve: he has been paying too much attention to democracy and not inflation. >> brian: only transitory. >> steve: mentioned the fact he said i'm not a huckster, referring to donald trump signed the checks. the reason he even brought that up was the question was, you know, you took a lot of heat from people in congress. your senators and your congressman on the democratic side because they said, you know, why didn't you sign the check so we would all get credit? they blame him for kind of screwing them up, essentially, and now that he has got the oval office in his rear view mirror he is able to say look, i did a really good job. some little details i didn't sign the check, big deal. it was a big deal. >> brian: one thing i wanted to get straightened out is the fires are terrible. los angeles, i don't care if you're red or blue. but hollywood and their mindset, what is going to change them? we're noticing more and more people either backing out of the political fray or maybe amending their ways. and the president plans on

attacking this in a very unique fashion. i laughed out loud when i saw this headline. >> lawrence: especially since some people found out about this that they were on this committee through truth social. >> brian: really? >> ainsley: donald trump posted this yesterday on truth social it's my honor to announce john vogt, mel gibson and sylvester stallone to be special ambassador to a great but very troubled place hollywood, california. they will serve as special envoys to me for the purpose of bringing hollywood, which has lost much business over the last four years to foreign countries back bigger, better and stronger than ever before. these three very talented people will be my eyes and ears and i will get done what they suggest. it will be, again, like the united states of america itself the golden age of hollywood. >> brian: another episode of the be expendables. >> steve: see the picture of mel gibson screen right. he lost his house last week to

the fires and when he found out about this appointment to this ambassadorship or whatever it is, he said any chance the position comes with an ambassador's residence? [laughter] >> steve: he needs a place. you know, i think this is a really smart thing. >> lawrence: oh, yeah. >> steve: all three of those guys are admired by certain who watch movies and stuff like that. essentially what donald trump is doing by naming them and by them accepting this, is he is showing it's cool to be a republican. did you know mel gibson is a republican? did you know sylvester. >> brian: dean cain should be on that. >> ainsley: interesting sly and jennifer moved to florida. they are down in palm beach. >> lawrence: shows you that the president-elect is not taking his foot off the gas. he won the people. won the popular vote. electoral college. he has this -- he is a cultural phenom now. you have got the tech people now involved. now he is saying okay.

hollywood, too. i will take that as well. >> brian: next to the rappers snoop dogg definitely likes him. i know that i will add a couple other things. what hollywood did put all this political correctness and all these fees and demands on crews and you have to make sure that you have a nonbinary audio technician and key grip. all these things. they did all that yeah, i can't shoot a movie here i'm going to romania. i'm going to the caribbean. i'm going to ireland. so you screwed up everything. made it impossible to do it and then producer goes yeah, i would love to be able to keep my budget and shoot in hollywood. so i'm going to another country. thank you. >> steve: so while they are going to be all the tech titans are going to be on -- essentially on the platform with the incoming president, you know, there are a lot of people in hollywood who still don't like donald trump. and there are a lot of people on the political left. and one of the people who is not going to show up is michelle obama. she did not go to the carter funeral last week. story is she didn't want to be seated next to donald trump because she has said a lot of things about him.

and she just couldn't get. >> brian: do you think ainsley wants to sit next to me no but she has a job. you persevere. >> ainsley: you are saying it's her job. >> brian: she should show up she is a former first lady. you don't have to you can attachment hey, what are you doing? i'm going to be president. what are you doing? >> steve: at least she is being honest. she is not showing up. nancy pelosi is not showing up because nancy famously ripped up the state of the union address at the same time donald trump didn't shake hands with her. >> ainsley: it's so cold outside, we're going to come up withen a excuse. >> brian: you are too nice. >> ainsley: we said this about donald trump. >> brian: what about kid rock? >> ainsley: i know him from the show but you are close friend with him. >> steve: i'm his neighbor. >> brian: did you tour with him at all? >> ainsley: i don't think so. >> steve: he is going to be on our show on sunday lye from the roof top. he was on with jesse last night. >> ainsley: i would like to, though. seems like a lot of fun. i want him at my dinner party. >> steve: his show would be great. dinner party is great too with him.

he was on with jesse last night and talked a little bit about michelle obama's not putting politics aside? shouldn't she rides above the shabbiness? here he is. >> i heard michelle obama is not attending. i would kindly remind her that years back when obama was first elected did i not vote for him but they asked me to play the inauguration. and i played it. and i went. had a good time. i went out of respect to the presidency. so, i would kindly remind merchandise michelle about that. >> lawrence: look i have no problem with anybody skipping anything. don't be self-righteous with us. don't tell us about norms and customs when they go low we go -- you go high all that. we don't want to hear any of that anymore. because this is the new standard now. if you truly did not believe that -- it's easy to say that when you win but when you don't win, that's when you see the character of a person. so,. >> brian: evidently the word from the trump camp they got a good laugh out of michelle obama

refusing to go they don't expect her to go. "fox & friends" will be live in washington for the trump inauguration. on for four hours unless we freeze to death. 6:00 start on monday and then tuesday we will start at 5:00. >> steve: that's right. and one final note on kid rock. today is his birthday. >> ainsley: happy birthday. what do we say? we're so glad you were born. >> brian: i hope he gets a tattoo today. it won't be face first. >> steve: it would not. >> lawrence: we know you love tattoos. >> brian: carley have you tattoo, right? >> carley: not that you know of. just kidding i don't have any tattoos. should we do some news? we have a fox news alert to get. to say the israeli security cabinet is meeting right now to discuss the a new cease-fire and hostage release deal after yesterday's vote was postponed while prime minister benjamin netanyahu accused hamas of going back on part of the agreement. the three phase deal promises to

release dozens of hostages held in gaza, including american citizen in exchange for hundred of palestinian prisoners in israel. if the israeli government approves the agreement, the releases will start this sunday. secretary of state antony blinken's final press conference spiraling into chaos yesterday when a reporter was force is blib removed for causing a disruption. watch this. >> you are hurting me. you are hurting me. you are hurting me. genocide and extermination respect the process. criminals, why aren't you in the hague? >> can you believe that two reporter removed from the room as blinken announced the israel-hamas cease-fire and hostage deal. and you have got to see this. the detroit lions are doing some early recruiting. a mom posted a video on tiktok baby ways 31-pound. it went viral and lions mohammed

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sentences, most of them in israeli jails. is this the deal you would do? >> well, i don't think it's up to us, the united states, that this is israel. and these are their people, mostly, some of them certainly are ours. they are making this deal based on their values, their culture and what has happened there they exchanged 1,000 prisoners a number of years ago for one israeli soldier who was kept in captivity close to a year. this is up to them i don't think it's right for the united states to get involved how many hostages prisoners and the rest of it they are cutting this deal the toughest part of this deal in my mind is the second and third phases, brian. and that's why hamas began to renege on the deal. they wanted to move forward, marwan bar goody, a very

prominent prisoner serving a life sentence inside an israeli jail he led inif a tad das against the idf problems with other ones they wanted to move up in this early stage. why is that? the tough part of this deal is in the second and third phases. what do i mean by that? on the 16th day of the 42-day cease-fire, negotiations are supposed to begin to the end state of the war in gaza. hamas. disarm and give up governance. israel, leave gaza completely permanent end to the war. those are very, very difficult positions for both parties. and i suspect this deal will likely break down at that point. i cannot see, brian, the israelis leaving gaza completely

and letting hamas still be implied as the governance and running gaza. that just brings us right back to october 7th at some point. >> it's like not putting troops berlin divided after the world war. we needed to put -- we needed troops there to make sure the russians, the soviets didn't invade. the acting head of hamas is acting as if haniyeh wasn't killed and sinwar wasn't murdered and 17,000 fighters haven't been taken out. listen to him. >> what happened on october 7th, a miracle, a military achievement and security achievement carried out by brigade a source of pride for our people and resistance that will be passed down from generation to generation after it struck a fatal blow to the enemy. >> brian: general, that is not a contrite. let's try to give piece a stance attitude. >> there is no doubt about it. listen, the objectives hamas has. the objectives iran has are clear destruction of the state

of israel by that i mean -- by that they mean is create such a volatile security situation inside of israel that the people of israel don't want to raise their children and their grandchildren there anymore. that's what this thing has been about since october the 7th. that's why iran operationalized all of its proxies, and really, what's on the menu coming between prime minister netanyahu and president trump is what to do about iran. we have an opportunity here to finish iran off once and for all. they are so vulnerable. hamas, hezbollah disseminated. they lost their strategic platform, syria. they cannot protect their leaders with their defense systems properly. they cannot protect everything they value. rockets and missiles, oil, and certainly their nuclear development program as well. which is a massive program spread around 12 different locations and facilities. that is on the table for both of these administrations to make up

their mind do they want to finish iran off once and for all. i think the answer to that is definitely. the issue is what are the options? what are the plans, what is the best way about doing that? >> brian: i think they will have two people working more in sync than the last administration and this administration. general, thanks so much. hopefully they call you and keep you updated your insight is always the best. general jack keane, thank you. have a great weekend. >> yeah, you too, guys. take care. thank you. >> brian: all right. 27 minutes before the top of the hour coming up saturday night one nation goes live from the roof top amongst my guest actor jameswood lost everything in los angeles and talk about this new administration. congressman jim jordan will be by my side senator roger wicker chairman of the armed services committee. and mike huckabee ambassador to be. it's going to be great. please join me then and also on the 15th with fox nation, we are going to be streaming this, on stage at the florida theater

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fires that are still burning out of control. palisades 27% containment. eaton 55% containment. so the next couple of days going to be crucial. humidity is up. winds have died down. however we are looking at a set-up very similar as we go into next week. here is the first scenario high pressure anchored across the great basin moderate to strong santa ana winds. the other scenario the one we are hoping for weaker pressure moving towards the central u.s. and that means not as strong of winds. but we are not going to get any heavy rainfall in the area in the foreseeable future. that's the problem. so low relative humidity could possibly spark more wildfire danger into next week. next big story the artic outbreak that is ready to move in this weekend, setting the stage for maybe some snow along the east coast. snow in texas. the gulf coast as well. so this is something we're going to have to watch for. i mean, looking at you, lawrence, dallas, texas, could see quite a few inches of snow.

i mean, relative to what they normally get and then the ice component here could be really a disaster. so we will continue to keep you up to date and one of the oldest inaugurations on record next week. so i know you have got your warm coat. >> lawrence: just going to bundle up and do my best, j.d. if i'm shivering just pray for me, okay? >> janice: you are a strong person i know you can do it. >> lawrence: thanks my friend. in just an hour dhs secretary nominee kristi noem scheduled to appear appear before committees. she will face questions on the border and she is expected to say in part, quote: securing our homeland is a serious sacred trust that must be relentlessly pursued and can never be taken for granted. being safe on our borders san american right. yet americans feel less safe than they have in decades. kentucky senator rand paul is the chair of that committee and he joins us now with a preview. senator, are you a yes on her already or do you have some questions for her this morning? >> no, i'm definitely a

supporter. i known governor noem for quite a while now. i think she shares the president's concern and really all of americans' concern about, you know, making sure dangerous people aren't coming across the border. this week we have had a lot of attention towards. this we are working on the laken riley act in memory of the young woman who was killed by an immigrant -- illegal immigrant who frankly shouldn't have been here. yesterday, we held a hearing called remain in mexico. talking about the executive power that has been granted to the president to fix the border. we actually think most of these things can be done and actually were done in the first administration without legislation. legislation would be great but it's hard to pass bills in congress with democrat opposition. but i think the president is going to do a lot on day one. i think governor noem will be there to help him. >> lawrence: does she have the vote to get confirmed right now or is it going to be some work? >> i think there's a good chance that she is going to get democrat vote in the committee and on the floor. she eventually will be approved.

even if it were just with republican votes. i think there will be democrat votes and whether or not we can do it on inauguration day. we're hoping to do secretary of state on inauguration day. it would be nice to do secretary of defense and it would be nice to do secretary of homeland security. that requires consent from democrats. they can't stop them ultimately we can do them later in the week but if we want them on day one we traditionally when we were in the minority allowed the democrats to have some of their cabinet picks on day one. i'm hoping the democrats will do the same. and i think governor noem is a possibility for day one. >> lawrence: roger that, senator. let's switch to tiktok. biden has decided not to enforce the deadline leaving the decision up to trump who reportedly considering some executive action to save the app. where do you stand on this issue? >> i have never been in favor of banning speech about 170 million americans use this app. the interesting thing is occasionally the people who want to ban tiktok will say well, the

chinese ban our apps in their country well, yes, they are an authoritarian country. we are not an authoritarian country and so we shouldn't ban speech. if you are concerned, you think they are using your data for nefarious purposes don't use them. i have some concerns about meta and google and youtube and all the american companies scarfing up my data as well. so every individual has to make their decision i also have a great deal of sympathy for the performers and influencers tiktok actually make a living expressing themselves there is a safety component to this as well. it's not just as you rightly noted not just tiktok all these companies that are selling the data to china and using them for nefarious purposes. how do you balance the civil liberty argument of this with safety and national security? >> you know, i think there are ways of looking at it across the

board without banning speech. i also think that even if it's foreign ownership that people are concerned with. we have a committee on foreign ownership and tiktok has already agreed to go before that committee. they have been talking to them for a year and a half. they agreed to have their data scored in oracle's cloud in texas. agreed to spend a billion dollars doing. this everybody is running around with their hair on fire communist, communist, communist. i think it's overstated and most of it is an accusation. the other thing people don't mention very often is tiktok is owned by -- 60% of tiktok is owned by international investors, non-chinese. you know, i think free speech is important. we ought to protect it. >> lawrence: senator rand paul, thank you so much for getting up this morning. >> sure. >> lawrence: so it's not just companies nixing dei. state governments are jumping on board, too. newly sworn in indiana governor mike braun on why it was one of his first moves. that's next.

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♪ >> steve: well, this week governor mike braun was sworn in as governor of indiana, and he's already getting to work. he has signed a slewf

executive orders. one of his first actions he got rid of dei policies and it's not just indiana. states across the country ditching the initiatives in favor of a merit based approach. indiana governor, he used to be indiana senator mike braun joins us right now. governor, good morning to you. >> hey, good to be back on. good to be back home, too. >> steve: no kidding. you don't have to keep going between there and washington. so, why did you pull the plug on dei? >> well, dei still folks working remotely have no good reason to do it streamlining our own state government which had gotten broad, thick, not near what we have got out in d.c. but it needed a sprucing up. so, having run a business for 37 years, signing the front side of a paycheck before i became a senator, this has been easy stuff. so, 20 executive orders, about half of them reorganizing state

government on the executive side to make it snappy, entrepreneurial, and then i had to look at some of the stuff that had crept in and dei was one of it. i replaced it with mei, merit, excellence and innovation. >> steve: great. >> another executive order. come back to work in the building unless you have got a really good excuse. d.c. has still got probably two thirds of our employees that don't even come into the buildings. >> steve: i know. right. >> relaxing some of the requirements to make it -- do you have the merit? do you have the skills? don't have college degree requirements for a lot of state jobs that don't need them. practical stuff. that's what we're doing. >> steve: right. and when you think about it, governments really don't need dei because people are protected by the equal protection clause. so, people have got those protections built in. governor, what's been the reaction since you pulled the plug on all this stuff? >> been like -- i mean,

exhilarating would be the best way. the inaugural, which was over the weekend for me, there was so much excitement, knowing something is afoot, even if a good red state like indiana, mostly because of what's going to happen out in d.c. and the partnership that can happen between enterprising states like ours has always been we have never really had somebody from main street, especially or someone that has signed the front side of the paycheck being our own governor here. that's happening across the country. and now that we get rid of the malaise of the biden administration, which was built on big government, rahm emanuel never let a crisis go to waste. we have grown the federal government to a place i hope doge, trump, elon and all of that bring it down because you have got a lot of anxious governors that want to double down on it. and we're going to do it anyway. and i can't wait to get really

going at it. >> steve: exit question. congratulations on being newly sworn in. there are a lot of governors who like their job but then they run for senate. you were a senator, very successful, and then you ran for governor. why? >> number one, i'm a big believer until we have term limits and a balanced budget amendment, even the ones that want to do more out there are going to run into the deep state and bureaucracy. the nearly 15 senators that used to be governs, they almost tackled me that week i decided to do it to say i don't know how you decided you're going to like that job so much more because they remember what they could get done. they weren't trapped with all of the stuff that you get when you are in d.c. for me it was the right thing to do. it was a fork in the road either or, glad i did it. >> steve: now you are going to be deep in the state of indiana. governor, thank you very much for joining us. good luck on the next couple of

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