and mitch mcconnell pushed that issue. >> sean: they might have a problem there. but there is one commander and chief and that would be donald j trump that's not mitch mcconnell. >> that's right. but again, that's where you get into this spending here, in terms of -- you talk about the overall size of the pentagon budget and how massive it is. they have to look at doing cutting if they are going >> appreciate it, chad, con grat lathss to pete hegseth, ore fist secretary of defence. that's all we have left tonight, please set your dvp so you never miss an episode. foxnews/hannitg. greg gutfeld is

and prisoners come over. then there's talk of them moving to a phase two where there's a full withdrawal and hamas demilitarized. >> you mentioned a very astute point that the exchange, again, for female soldiers is 50 palestinian prisoners. for the civilians that were released. last week it was only 30. they were not soldiers. and here also, i believe 30 of the 50 palestinians are some serving life sentences for murder and other crimes. the optics of this deal. i know there's some criticism. there's some support to get the hostages home, but it's also very fragile, is it not? still at this point? mr. jaffer? >> no, that's exactly right. and you know, well, as a former deputy prosecutor, these are serious. these are bad people. they've been put away for life. they've obviously sought to kill israelis. the israelis have no desire to hand these 30 of the 50 over for each, for each of these female soldiers. so we're talking, you know, a significant number of released

detainees just in this one transaction alone. and so it's obviously a real problem, and it's causing controversy within israel. but at the end of the day, i think at the end of the day, given the length of the war and the length of these hostages have been held, you think about these are these are soldiers, no doubt. but again, still, they're young. they're 19, 20 years old. three of the women are 20. one of them is 19. i mean, they've spent nearly, you know, nearly two years in captivity. it's a real problem. >> it really is. i can't even imagine what these four young women have gone through over the last 15 months in captivity. not any real connection to the real world. there's a picture on the screen of the four young women set to be released at any moment. we were just looking at live photos of the helicopter that will transfer these captives to likely the gaza border to eventually meet with their family. but we have. i may be butchering their names, but karina arias, 20 years old, daniella gilboa, 20 years old. naama levy, 20 years old, as

well as liora albeck, who's only 19 years old. and we know that the idf has been preparing. of course, they had hostages released last week as well, but they've been preparing with specialized medical teams and hospitals there, because who knows what these young women went through, right? >> well, that's exactly right. and there's no doubt. i mean, look, as you say, 15 months in captivity in the tunnels beneath gaza, you know, we know what happened to some of the women who were who were attacked and assaulted during the attack on october 7th. i happen to have a chance, just a few about a month ago, to go to nir oz, which is one of the kibbutz that was attacked, as well as the site of the nova music festival, and the things that were done to these, these men and women, but particularly women, are so disturbing and vile it's hard to even imagine. and so these, these, these young female soldiers, who knows what, what horror they've gone through in the last 15 months? >> exactly. i remember one of these hostages, actually back

on october 7th. i remember the viral video of hamas kidnaping her and taking her hostage in her sweatpants. she had blood on her, and now that's normal. and she will be released today. mr. jaffer, please stand by for a moment, because i do have our chief foreign correspondent, trey yingst, on the ground there in tel aviv, joining us live now for the very latest. trey, are you with me and what are you hearing? >> yeah, there's a massive amount of anticipation as it relates to this cease fire deal. and it is the seventh day of the cease fire, and also an indication that as we look forward, this is holding for now. of course, there will be palestinian prisoners released. reports indicate up to 200 palestinian prisoners will be exchanged for these four women. and if we can just pull up their photos here. because when you look at these women, you look at young girls who are not even able to drink in the united states, and they were

serving in a role that many young women here in the military serve in along the border as soldiers that are meant to basically just gather information. they were linked to the observation unit. and when you see their faces, it really just brings up what we heard last week from so many people in tel aviv. and they said, these are our sisters. and when you think about the relation of these women to the israeli people, they see them as sisters. karina arroyave, daniella gilboa, naama levy and lira alba. and you spoke earlier, and i think you made a very important point about the symbol that na'ama levy was for these people. since october 7th, we're talking about more than 477 days that they've been held in hamas captivity. in that video was one of the first that circulated around the world. naama levy being dragged from a jeep. and you just saw the fear on her face, but also the defiance. she wasn't going

to be just simply killed. she was going to stay alive for her family. and when you heard from her family members, they describe her as someone who was a peace activist and continues to be a peace activist. she spent many of her years in high school going to conferences so that she could build bridges between israelis and palestinians, and still she was taken hostage on october 7th by hamas. her family members are waiting for her to come home, certainly along with the other three women, when they are able to cross back into israel, they will go to one of three reunification points along the border. if last time is any indication, there will be one family member, likely their mothers, able to meet them at that reunification point. they will be evaluated by idf doctors and psychologists. they'll also have a team of people around them that have been strategically placed there to ensure that they are able to get all of the care they need. initially, they will be evaluated and then likely flown by a helicopter to a hospital

in central israel, where they can then be reunited with other loved ones. but again, this is just another day of high anticipation. because when you think about what these women have gone through. i spoke with a number of hostages who were held inside gaza, and one of them stands out to me because she described meeting these women in the tunnels beneath gaza in the early days of october following the massacre, and when these women were taken hostage and that woman had almog-goldstein was taken as a hostage herself from kfar aza, one of the kibbutzim. the small communities along the border. and when you look at the helicopter that's waiting here, and you and you look at just the anticipation across this country, you think back to those early days and what these women must have gone through since then. some of the hostages that we spoke with, they were so close to death so many times because hamas was moving them throughout the strip, trying to ensure that israeli forces weren't able to rescue them. as we have seen, though, there have been some successful rescue operations,

but they are very, very difficult to conduct. and that is part of the reason that the israelis have had to turn to diplomacy to get these israelis out. for female soldiers who were taken on october 7th, who again will reportedly be exchanged at a rate of 1 to 50 for palestinian prisoners, that, according to reports, 120 out of the 200 palestinian prisoners are currently serving life sentences. i do have one update to our reporting. last week we were reporting about the murderers and terrorists who planned suicide attacks. last week. actually, it was far less violent. people who were in israeli prisons this week. it is the terrorists and the people who conducted some of the bombing attacks and planning for terrorism. and so when you look at the list this week, it is just so high stakes for the israeli people. and part of the reason that there was so much controversy around this release. but again, the latest information that we have

here, it could be in a matter of minutes. it could be in a matter of hours. these releases tend to take a very long time, but we do expect for female soldiers who were taken on october 7th. karina, i have daniella gilboa, naama levi and lira album to be released again. these are 19 and 20 year olds who were taken on october 7th, and hopefully soon they will be back in israeli territory and reunited with their loved ones. back to you. >> absolutely, tray, i do have a follow up question or two, as always for you. you live there in israel. you have been there on the ground since the cease fire took effect. a little, i guess, a week ago now, right? have you noticed any differences as far as being there on the ground in israel, or from the civilians that live there? do they feel safer, more secure? what are you hearing and seeing every day? >> i can tell you that there are so many people here that are just waiting for the

hostages to come home, and last night i was at a dinner and met a number of israeli soldiers who served throughout the war in gaza. and they said, look, this has been our objective from the beginning to bring these hostages home. and when we think about the cease fire, the cease fire has been an opportunity for both israelis and palestinians to be able to return to some sense of normalcy. we've been talking not only with israeli civilians, but also with palestinian civilians who have expressed a sigh of relief. there have been thousands and thousands of palestinian civilians killed since the beginning of this conflict, and they have lived in a state of fear inside gaza. as the war continued between israel and hamas. and so the ceasefire has certainly been met with relief by both israeli and palestinian civilians. and as we look forward here, there is a hope that this will lead to a broader peace in the region. it is not something that everyone here is optimistic about. there's a real understanding that israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is under quite a bit of pressure

internally from his cabinet members and former cabinet members, including the former national security minister itamar ben-gvir, who resigned from the government over this hostage deal. but as we look forward, phase one of this agreement will likely end with 33 hostages, the majority of them alive, being released from gaza in exchange for nearly 2000 palestinian prisoners against. some of them have life sentences. and then if phase two goes into effect and we'll learn more about phase two, likely this week, because we know negotiators are already discussing the details of that agreement. if that goes into effect, more israeli forces will leave gaza, and then phase three will start to go into basically a planning phase that will see not only the israelis, hamas and the qataris, along with the egyptians, discussing what this is ultimately going to pan out to be, but also international ngos and

organizations that will be a part of rebuilding gaza as part of phase three. and so the trump administration has a lot on their plate in terms of the navigation of all of this. but we know, again, this deal would not have been possible without president trump, and it would not have been possible without steve witkoff, a man who went to the middle east, to doha and met with negotiators and said, look, this deal has to get done. we can't let this drag out any longer. and that's exactly what the incoming trump administration did at the time. they got this deal across the finish line, and it has allowed three alive hostages to be reunited with their loved ones. we saw those images last week. i don't know if we have any of them here of these these mothers getting to hug their daughters after 470 days. and immediately more heroic stories of people like emily damari, who was injured as a result of the hamas attack on israel. but still, according to reports in israeli media today, when hamas

came to her and said, we are going to release you as part of the ceasefire deal, she said, no, release my neighbor keith. i'm friends with his daughter. he is in worse condition than me, and it just gives you a sense of how selfless, even after this horrific experience was for the for these women, how selfless they are when it comes to the people they care about, who are also taken into gaza on october 7th. >> exactly. and how brave these young women. i can't imagine being 19 or 20 as long as that ago. that was for me to go through this. they really are a testament to the strength of the people there. we are today, as you mentioned, looking at those photos are live videos are not live videos, but videos from last sunday when the hostages were reunited with their loved ones. they're so emotional. trey, thank you so much. we're going to let you stand by for now. thank you for your insights and information. we're going to go back to jameel jaffer, still on the

phone. jameel. trey just walked us through the phase where phase one of the cease fire agreement, the planning for phase two is still a very fragile situation there between gaza and israel. how realistic is it, in your opinion, that we will see this through? >> well, look, it's really hard to know. i mean, part of phase two really depends on hamas being willing to demilitarize and actually being demilitarized. and that's just hard to imagine from both perspectives. it's hard to see hamas being willing to agree to that. it's hard to see israel getting sufficient security assurances. i mean, it's surprising enough that the first phase involves palestinian civilians going back to the northern part of gaza, which is very close to israel. they have this now security perimeter that i think is going to likely be permanent in the long run between gaza and israel. you know, one of the things that trey mentioned that i think is really important is the role that these four women played as observers, because that was one

of the more controversial things that took place that we learned about in the aftermath of the october 7th attacks is that a lot of these observers had warned of potential planning for attacks that that, you know, weren't taken seriously by the command leadership. and so, you know, while the war is still going on, there's not time for recriminations. but after the war ends, there will be discussion of what the israeli government knew, when it knew it and why. why, you know, precautions weren't taken. and so i think that's an important part, as we think about these four women that are being released, these young 19 and 20 year olds. >> thank you so much, jameel jaffer, for your time this morning and being on the phone. we are going to take a break, as we do anticipate hamas releasing those four female hostages at some point this morning. again, these are live photos of gaza city square. we see palestinians, hamas militants gathering there. and what seems to be a very organized, well choreographed exchange of these hostages. at this point, we know the red cross trucks are on the way to

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worse than she did by donald trump. if she's giving advice, i bet she's telling kamala, just have another drink. keep drinking. black out for the next four years, and then come back, just drunker and stronger. >> greg: yeah, act like it never happened, like when you black out. i don't know. what do you mean, i fell down the stairs naked? that wasn't me. kat. >> mmhmm. >> greg: all right, kat, they have spoken several times. she's got what -- an uncertain future? i think she looks for hillary for guidance, is that the best person to seek guidance from? and maybe perhaps wearing mumus at events. i love a good mumu. airy. shoplifting is easy. >> mmhmm. mmhmm. >> greg: yes. >> no. >> greg: no. >> i don't think so. because it's actually almost

remarkable hillary's complete inability or refusal to move on at all, i don't know what she's asking for for advice on, hillary says, nothing, this is your life now. what other advice could she give? what you do is talk about this forever. and whenever anyone tries to talk about anything else, you [bleep] refuse to do that, okay? >> greg: yes. >> and anybody suggests you should, that person is the problem, you're not the problem, you did nothing wrongful this is your -- i mean, they -- they could just do that all day. >> greg: yeah. >> i understand there is some period where you want to commiserate, i understand not wanting to get back out there right away of something so tough. this is the next generation of lady who lost to trump, and hillary is not giving up her seat to letting it go. >> greg: that's true. almost like an encounter group. women beaten by trump meets every thursday night.

>> greg: church basement, free coffee. >> thanks to you, i'm not afraid of what i was going to say. i don't think this is a fun conversation. i think it was, you think that's bad. you think that's bad. i think originally she called you for, say you have an annoying husband who lost you the election, how would you get him to suicide yourself. that's how the conversation started, and then you're like, you think it's that bad, what if your husband has so much secret service, you can't get next to him. oh, girl, i didn't think about that. she was like, i lost, you list, and hillary, to be hillary, she was like, at least i wasn't black and lost. you check two boxes. that should have been a home run. how are you black and a woman in a woke society and lose.

like, i was feeling bad about myself, but i was like, at least i wasn't the black lady. >> greg: that's actually a good point. and then kamala is like, bitch. [laughter] >> and then hillary said, you know what, we should to do a netflix special together, called the cool white woman who sits next to the black woman who lost to hitler. >> greg: you lost to hitler. you know, i find it interesting that, you know, hillary and harris were portrayed for forces for women's freedom, but they were both absent when the fight was actually over women's spaces. meanwhile, the president, this cad, right, this lethario is the one who bans men from women's spaces. he's done more from feminism, second wave feminism, if you will, than those two.

that's got to sting. >> yeah. [cheering and applause] >> x, x, baby. oh, that's offensive. i'm sorry. not anymore, it's not. when they use the word "advice", i thought, what would you actually go to angsty bitch bag for advice on? a t.v. career? skin care tap tips, no, how to keep your man satisfied and at home? nope. the only thing i could figure out is kamala is trying to make herself feel better by rubbing [bleep] in because kamala, at least, was on a ticket that beat president trump. not so much hillary clinton. >> greg: that's true. >> hillary clinton has never been on a winning ticket. hillary clinton has never really been in the white house, other than being, you know, the home slice. >> greg: yeah.

>> so she -- you know, she probably is trying to make herself feel better. >> greg: they both, though, do have something. they both have annoying daughters, right? i mean, what was -- what was hillary's kid's name? brat? chelsea. and then you got that emhoff thing. >> ella. >> greg: yeah. >> i don't know, daigon, i don't know if i would brag because my boss the dementia and i couldn't outsmart him and take his job. [laughter] >> greg: yes! >> on kamala's side. >> greg: we shall move to the it ain't my dad's razor, dad. ay watch it! it's from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face... gamechanga! ...while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs.

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we need to write about the hunter biden laptop, and i was told, this came from on high, don't write about the laptop, talk about it, tweet about it. in 2019, a rival presidential democratic campaign of joe biden's gave to me the tax lien on hunter biden for the period of time he wrote at berima. that story was killed by the editors. >> greg: now they find their integrity. now they talk about it. they could have shared the risk with other reporters and defended the new york post over the laptop story, but they didn't. >> mmhmm. it's giving -- you know what it's giving, it's giving when the girl's boyfriend breaks up with her, and finally you get to hear the stuff she has been hiding about him the whole time they were together. you never liked him, he didn't come to your birthday, he wasn't sick, i thought you were annoying, he didn't like you. he actually didn't buy me

anything, i had to pay for every trip and i found out he was spending money on onlyfans. you find out the truth once they separate. it's a human thing. it's annoying, all of this have known this the entire time. >> greg: yes. >> and you would get called out as being crazy, oh, you're so right -- you're right wing extremists for noticing the fact that all of these stories are slanted one way. >> greg: in hmm. >> all the things that other people are covering, you're not covering. it makes you an observer to have noticed this was the case. >> greg: mmhmm. >> but that's -- he's having that little moment of, like, the gals -- the gals at brunch moment. and that's what he's having right now. i guess better late than never, but anybody who has been paying attention, we knew this already. >> greg: exactly. [applause]. >> greg: he says, the orders came from up high on politico. how high -- >> the highest mountain.

the lord himself. [laughter] >> said through jebidiah down the oil. >> greg: it's a [bleep] website. >> he didn't want to risk losing his job. this is this stupid thing, genius, if you went to x, went and told your story, you would have been on a certain network probably every night for a long time. and probably would have been asked to do guest speaking and you would have made money and probably would be sitting next to trace gallagher at 11:00, as a man who is a true journalist. you didn't do that. you kept the little secret, little babies all tight inside. >> greg: they're talking about this now that they no longer have skin in the game, you know. you -- it's not called sharing the risk when there is no risk. that's what pisses me off. >> right. but the fact that they're acting

like this is some great confessional that they're having is proof that you can't smell your own bo. >> greg: yeah. >> proof that you can't smell the poo on your shoe. >> greg: oh, i can. >> because they're doomed to do it again. >> greg: mmhmm. >> for a job with -- at a title and to be accepted by those odious boot lickers who inhabit the washington dc press core. they would do it all over again, we would ignore you the same way we have ignored you before, and now and in the future, you jackass. >> greg: yeah. [cheering]. >> greg: lou, i maintain that the person that this came from the white house to politico. i can't believe -- i worked in magazines, you got to give me a reason why i can't write this. it came from something else.

which makes this story even more, like, worthy of investigation. >> well, also, i think if they're being honest, they should realize that they played a big role, basically, in the campaign. they wanted joe biden to be president. >> greg: yeah. >> and now they get to use this excuse, looking back, like, oh, yeah, my editor, he said -- my editor said, don't talk about the laptop, don't tweet about the laptop, don't take your laptop out and write on your laptop what's going on and deliver that to get out there. look, you wanted your man to win, you did what you could, you were part of the team, now looking back, and there is regrets. >> greg: it was not my fault. they told me to do it. that's not good enough. >> driving me crazy, greg. these are dei appointees that you can't outsmart? like, what if we wrote it in past tense? >> greg: yeah. [laughter] >> you know what i'm saying. you could have tricked them.

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[♪] >> what the [bleep] [horn]. >> greg: tonight on wtf, billions in taxes for candy and comic books. tyrus is targeting promotional items used the advertise federal agencies, these are like colouring books, comic books, shirts, hats, mascots, candy, and toys, it costs taxpayers $2 billion a year for this government swag. could this be the actual best stuff they're spending money on? [laughter] >> i think if i was a dei hire, i'd be really upset they're taking away our jobs, toys,

literature. i need my comic book on how the federal government works. yeah, this needs to go. >> greg: yeah. >> this is ridiculous. but when people hear this stuff, you're starting to see the same expression, no matter what walk of -- you sit there and they go -- >> yeah. >> no. like, yeah, and it's only, like, day 3. >> greg: yeah. [laughter] >> like, we haven't even got into the mix. we haven't found out how much lunch costs for the little darlings. >> greg: that's true. >> you know what i'm saying? their vamouse lattes, vegan salads, i got a crazy feeling that costs, like, 4 trillion. i feel like the more we see this, we actually might get a tax -- we might actually see the bill clinton -- we got extras sending it back. >> greg: yeah. >> because if you're just

finding out that candy is overpriced, i can't wait until we get to staplers and pens and stuff. >> greg: you know who is exempt from this is smokey the bear. after what happened in la -- [laughter] >> greg: -- i mean, shouldn't he be fired? how much money can we save if we told smokey the bear to hit the road? >> yes. all of the mascots. >> greg: yeah. >> these people are kitty terrorists. >> greg: yes! >> they're frightening children. that's all mascots do. >> greg: mmhmm. >> like, so -- and also woodsy is owl is exempt. what is this vinvasive. it's a department of agriculture mascot used to alert the public about the scourge of pests and vines. there are all these mascots. it's like a bunch of cheeses, meant to terrorize kids.

>> rapists. >> greg: cricket rapist tonight starting at 9d, starring don mot. basically this is propaganda. the government puts out propaganda, they did stuff on the theory of covid, we're paying for the propaganda used on us. >> and, i mean, with mascots, they look like dei mascots, there is no way anybody would come up with these ideas. you brought up the one character who has monkey pox. [laughter] >> you have outliny, sky worn, and sanctuary sam who are obviously in a gay relationship. [laughter] >> greg: i don't know how. because wasn't of them is a cartoon owl, the other is a sea lion but they're making it work. >> greg: the owl better be on top, that's all i'm saying. >> well, smokey the bear should

sue. they made him work topless for decades. [laughter] [applause]. >> greg: yep. objectified by a lot of park rangers. that's for sure. hey, baby, where you going? >> you got time for pants, but not a blouse. >> kat, last word to you. this must make your blood boil. >> first of all, it's an merch guy. it's like an merch guy for the government that we're paying. >> greg: mmhmm. >> you're not the most cretive or best if you're working for the government. you have an ability the take our money, and then you're using it to then make some sort of merch or promotional materials to convince us it's a good idea you took our money. shut it down. shut all of it down. [cheering and applause] >> greg: all right, doctor box, there were many failed attempts to fix my teeth.

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the red cross in gaza arriving into gaza city, meaning that the exchange could be imminent. now we are expecting hamas to turn over four female israeli soldiers at that time. in return, israel will release 200 palestinian prisoners. if you recall, three hostages were already released last sunday, with israel freeing 90 palestinian prisoners in return. the first phase of the ceasefire agreement is expected to last five more weeks. and now, under the terms, 30 more israeli hostages, including those released today, will be freed. during this time, hamas and its allies still hold 91 people. of the 251 people taken from israel during the october 7th terror attack. so for more insight on what we can see this morning and what it all means, let's turn to jameel jaffer. he's director of the national security law and policy program at george mason university, and former chief counsel and senior adviser for the senate foreign

relations committee. jameel, thank you again for being with me. we are hearing that this is in motion and could take place at any moment. we're looking at live pictures. of course, this is gaza city square. some call palestine square. there you see hamas flags. you see a lot of civilians gathered in anticipation. how do you expect this second hostage exchange to unfold? >> well, shannon, what we've seen over the last few hostage exchanges, there was a major one a few months earlier in the conflict and then obviously one last week. i mean, typically what happens is you have the hostage handed over to the red cross, and then they're brought down to the kerem shalom border crossing there from gaza into israel, where they're then picked up by israeli vehicles and then transported into israel itself. and so and then there are there are points at which they're able to meet their families. and, and we see that connection happen. that's what we saw happen last time.

we'll likely see something similar again. >> exactly. i do believe again, these are live pictures from gaza city. you can see a vehicle with the international red cross symbol on it. also split screen. i believe that that that's live pictures. correct. control room of the families waiting for the hostages to be released. they are watching. of course, this all unfold live. and these are four very young female israeli soldiers, 20 years old. one is only 19 years old. lira, aalborg. we have 20 year old karina reeve, 20 year old daniella gilboa and 20 year old naama levi, who are expected to be emerging and exchanged at this time. again, jamil, this scene that you see, the soldiers there with arms. this is a process that so far seems to be going rather smoothly. what are your thoughts as you're watching this unfold?

>> well, you know, look, 15 months of battle has, i think, worn down both sides. and i think patience has worn thin in israel with getting the hostages back. obviously, what happened on october 7th was atrocious. it's the equivalent of a dozen nine over 11 attacks on a population adjusted basis. so if you think of what we in the united states went through on nine over 11 and then multiply that by 12 and you have a sense of what the israeli population went through. but even more than that, if you if you if you hear about what happened on that day and you read the accounts and you go visit those sites, i had a chance to do about a month ago. it's really just the barbarity and the depravity of what these terrorists did to, to young women and men and the people they kidnaped and the way they treated them in those moments was is just appalling. and so you you have this real sense that the israeli people want their hostages back, in part because they don't want this to continue to, to torment

them. at the same time, israeli government rightly wants to see hamas destroyed and taken to pieces for what they did and what they may do in the future. and so you know what we'll see now after these hostages are handed over and after the next sort of 7 to 8 weeks happen and, and the full exchange happens, there are still still remain another 60 hostages there in, in in gaza, both israelis, americans and other foreign nationals. and the real question is how do you get those back and how do you come to some sort of longer term settlement where israel can be assured of its security and the palestinian people can get the can get the aid they're looking for from the international community. >> that's right. that's a key part of the cease fire agreement. 600 aid trucks per week, i believe it is during this process, much needed in the gaza strip that has just been decimated over the 15 months of war between israel and hamas. but this picture i'm seeing, the video i'm seeing still after 15 months of war, hamas, the terrorist group,

seems to still be a show of force, much still together. is that something that you feel is maybe a bad sign for what is real? and the optics of this cease fire deal will ultimately end up meaning? >> yeah. i mean, look, this is part of the challenge. you know, hamas controls the aid trucks when they get into gaza. and so it's not like the aid is going directly to the people of gaza. what's happening is hamas is getting it. they're giving it to their fighters first, and then they're using it to recruit young people and saying, hey, look, you want food for your family, come join hamas. commit to us a year or two years of service. and so, you know, it's not just, oh, they're you know, the palestinian people in gaza are affiliated with hamas because they want to they're it's essentially a mafia controlling, a terrorist mafia controlling, you know, 2 million people. and so the israelis are aware of this. and so but it's very hard to figure out how do you get the aid into the hands of the people that need it, while at the same time not empowering the very

terrorist group that's conducting these attacks? they're then taking those things, selling them to people within gaza or trading them, and then eventually trying to get weapons smuggled in. you know, when we were at the at the kerem shalom border crossing a month and a half ago, you see all the contraband being smuggled in. a lot of it, interestingly enough, is cigarettes. cigarettes are going for a huge premium in gaza during this conflict, and they smuggled cigarettes in and otherwise, you know, regular aid, aid material in the side linings of the boxes and the like. and so it's, you know, it's a real challenge. and so we'll see how this proceeds forward. but at the end of the day, the better resolution for all sides is to is to get the conflict over with, get the hostages back and then figure out what what, what some sort of a settlement looks like. >> exactly. and for the families of the hostages, can you even put into words what they may be anticipating or feeling in these moments, as they watch their family members released? >> you know, i can't even imagine what it's like to have your, your 19 or 20 year old

daughter held for 15 months by brutal terrorists. no, just imagining the horror of what she must be going through, even if it's just captivity. but you imagine what other horrors might have been visited upon any of these young women. and it's it must be it must be debilitating for the families. and now to get them back. you know, obviously, that's just the first step of the process of getting them back and then and then helping them recover and return to any sort of normalcy, i think will be a years long process for the young women and their families. >> absolutely. world health organization saying these hostages could suffer lifelong consequences from their time in captivity. and again, for those just joining us, we are looking at live pictures of palestine, palestine square or gaza city square, where we have civilians and militants gathering for this exchange of four female israeli soldiers. as the second wave of hostages are released in this first phase of the cease fire agreement. and i know, mr. jaffer, you can also

see these live pictures as you're watching. is anything standing out to you? >> well, you know, i mean, i think obviously you see people with weapons there, and i think that's part of the challenge. as you as you rightly pointed out, we know that these groups are still armed and still have capabilities. and that's going to be something that the israeli government is going to be closely watching. there's no doubt that they're watching who's in this square identifying these individuals. some of them are covered up and identifying who the fighters are, and then maybe following them even as they leave and trying to identify where they're going. and so part of the challenge here, if you think about the real challenge about fighting in gaza and fighting hamas, is that these are terrorists who don't care for the rules of war, who don't care for the civilians of gaza. and so they hide their weapons, they hide their headquarters in schools and hospitals. and so when you see the israeli forces going to these schools and hospitals, it's not because they want to take out schools and hospitals. it's because that's where hamas is putting their fighters, putting their weapons, and knowing that they will gain world support for every civilian that dies. a