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editorial report i am paul gigot. he was sworn in as the 47th president of the night sights on monday. donald trump is off and running. on his promise of shock and awe as he signed dozens of executive orders and actions everything from immigration, to energy, to gender and ideology. the presence an optimistic tone is addressed as he looks ahead to what's called the golden new age in america. >> we will stand bravely. we will live it proudly. we will dream boldly. and nothing will stand in our way because we are americans. the future is ours. our gold golden age has just be. alex: we've learned of the president will approach the next four years of his first days in office but let's ask wall street journal columnist and editorial board member kyle peterson. dan, what your overall impression of trumps to start? off to a good start and how does

it converge eight years ago? what's it's much better than eight years ago. honestly there is a big plan behind this. we should talk with the presence first 100 days will reboot that for the first 100 hours. trump had a plan. this was not pouring out of trump's head spontaneously. he had staff, he had aid call me nobody wanted to do. they assume they're going to get elected because the bite in a presidency it was so, on things like immigration and the migrants, they knew exactly what they wanted to do. the closing of the diversity equity and inclusion offices across the federal government, that obviously is part of the plan. trump said nothing's going to stand in our way in his inaugural address. nothing is going to stand in his wake. he's personally taking control of all these things. he's going to make it an

expression of his personality and associating that with a mandate from the american people he got in the election. so far it is working very well we are a long way from executing the end result of all these policies that remains to be seen. alex: kim what two or three things would you point to is the most important here? the executive contrast with joe biden that is so great. what stands out for you about the first few days? >> the key thing is something dan just said. trump is internalize the notion he not we won decisively but also the popular vote he has taken that to go beyond the things he promises first term and promised to return to like you said energy, deregulation, dealing with taxes. he has capitalize on some of the excesses that came from the biden years and use them to go much further for the best

example is di. he went all the way back to dismantle executive order from lyndon johnson. he is addressing the 40 or 50 creep of affirmative action and racial preferences in deciding enough is enough. he's going to dismantle is taken that from the view we are sick of this and we want some real changes in government. i think that's a big one for the other when obviously is border. for years we've had an ongoing issue, he has decided it's going to take decisive action to seal it what i would hope is that clears away to then have a broader bigger better discussion about immigration reform. paul: will get to more detail but immigration later. member that phrase, i have a pen and phone, barack obama. donald trump has a pen and phone. that's we are right now. it's incredible sitting in the oval office answering questions to the press as they had an executive orders and he'll say oh, that's a big one. [laughter]

that's an even bigger one. >> 's amazing part of the differences trump has done the job before. everyone wants to get a running start has to get some stuff stacked up by the transition staff in the campaign staff. the new guy comes in certain here is the bathroom. here's the red phone and that kind of thing. whereas trump has almost unique circumstance, nonconsecutive presidential terms. would not have met since grover cleveland 1893 pretty comes into office, he's got the staff around him in fact some of the same people the office and budget director is the old one. they know that levers are, they know how to run the traps. paul: dan, i wonder this issue, he is so dominating the airways and dominating the discussion. how long can he really do that? presidents can focus attention. if you keep doing it day after

day after day after day in a certain amount of time people will say just wait for something important. >> there are two parts to that. what he is started out with is a something pretty thanking his voters he says he is amended from the american people and indeed he does. but judah who we should really think is a progressive wing of the democratic party. it is going down the list knocking off everything they put up the last four years starting with withdrawing from the earth's climate agreement. climate, gender, diversity, equity and inclusion, open borders. those are all things the left cherished and he is knocking them down. once he gets a pass that is going to have to start executing positive policies. the big issue is the economy. that is what got him elected he needs to get the economy going and prices down. paul: he needs to get things through congress as well. kim, briefly has nominees i think most are going to get

through print nearly all will get through thereto in particular who may have some trouble. the director of national intelligence rfk junior. what's the status on those denominations? >> and murky. versatile as you know a lot of his nominees are getting bipartisan support out of committee and on the floor. which is notable. those who have not convinced republicans yet. especially rfk junior has got trouble with folks from the health sector. also to the ag sector. a lot of national security words about jasmine viel two. >> you think tulsi gabbard would be in trouble? >> of both of them remain in trouble is not a sealed deal. paul: still had a president prep as megan got in his promise to dismantle di programs calling them illegal and immoral. we will talking to jason about this week's executive orders. what they made for both federal agencies and private companies, next.

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>> click so also in the government policy of trying to socially engineer race and gender into every aspect of public and private life. we will forge a society that is colorblind and merit-based. paul: emit a central issue in his campaign and now president trump is making good on his promise to dismantle di signed executive order hours after taking office that effectively reverses the biden administration directive on diversity, equity and inclusion ordering on tuesday all federal employees and dei roles to be placed on a paid administrative leave as agencies prepare to close down those programs and offices. for more enjoyment wall street journal columnist senior fellow jason riley. welcome. good to see you again.

so, do you think the executive orders make a good, fully make good on trump's campaign promises? >> absolutely. you recall trump went after these minority neighborhoods while he was campaigning. he asked for the votes of the black scum of the hispanics, of other racial and ethnic minority groups. and i was struck by what he said in his inaugural address in terms of thanking them for their support. he did not appeal to them on the grounds he would deliver government benefits based on race and ethnicity. also his inaugural address he's going to get the federal government out of the business of picking winners and losers when it comes to race and ethnic background. the people who voted for him support that movement. most americans in general supported. paul: it's really interesting he

did not use the pill the biden execexecutive order went back ad repealed lyndon baines johnson had written in the 1960s. ronald reagan did not even do that. what is the importance of that repeal? >> as you know a lot has changed in this country since the 1960s. not that the left or the activist groups want to acknowledge that. in fact things have improved tremendously. so, at that time at 11 racial discrimination in hiring. that was the purpose behind that executive order. we subsequently not only had a cute change of attitudes and behaviors when it comes to hiring employment in general, we've had several supreme court decisions over the years that i think make that directive obsolete it was right for donald trump to reject that. and again in the federal government out of the business of picking winners and losers. this is far more popular than

the left wants to acknowledge. we know that in part because the supreme court decision in 2023 ending racial preferences in college admissions. two thirds of the public agrees with that ruling. including more than half of black americans. i think trump is onto something here. paul: this is obviously going to affect the dei offices and employees in the government produces going to flow through to private contractors and even into the private companies more broadly, this executive order? or is this only going to effect the gaffectthe government contr? >> i think it will affect everyone the public and private. and i think that is the intense. we already saw it happening even prior to donald trump selection. what you saw particularly in the wake of the killing of george

and floyd by police in minneapolis back in 2020 was a trend of companies starting these dei initiatives or ramping up initiatives that they already had in place. there's subsequently been something of a backlash and it predates trump reelection you saw companies like a john deere, harley-davidson and so forth rolling these back in recent years. and now that has continued. i expect that to continue. businesses are in something of a dilemma here. because what they want most is a safe harbor. they want to reduce legal jeopardy when it comes to who they are hiring and whether that reflects demographics. they are in somewhat of a bind here if they hire too many blacks will get back less than white employees at the end hiring enough minorities they are going to get backlash from

actavis and other groups. they are looking for a safe harbor and this will provide it. >> was your response to those particularly on the left who sate trump's orders going to really reduce equal opportunity for all americans? what is the response of that? >> i don't think it reduces equal opportunity. racial preferences are what reduce equal opportunity. and that is what the supreme court made it very clear in the harbor decision according to the 14th amendment equal protection under the laws in this country. we should not violate that. and paul, i just want to emphasize again how popular this idea of the federal government acting in a colorblind manner is in this country. even before the supreme court rule you at large states that already passed anti- information

lever like california very diverse population. this is not white versus minority issue. all americans seem ready to move beyond race in ways the left is known to do so. i think trump is right to move forward with the colorblind policies. >> equity means equal outcomes than actual equal opportunity based on marriage. jason riley thanks for coming in. appreciate it. joe biden's dueling pardons takes a closer look at the potential long term fall out fam both men's inauguration day 3 action0 s [cheering] ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar and a protein blend to feed muscles up to 7 hours. ♪

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presidential pardons with joe biden using his last moments as commander-in-chief to issue preemptive unconditional pardons for his siblings and their spouses. a movement donald trump criticized as he is his first hours in office to grant sweeping pardons to nearly all of the january 6 capitol writers including those who brutally assaulted police officers. our panel is back with a look at potential long term fallout from monday's pardons spree. kim, let's take biden's a pardons a first for his family on that and the generous six committee that investigated that riot. and anthony found a sheet. why did he do it? >> you know, i would call this inevitable outcome of l'affaire which the democrats doubled down on in recent years for they became the first-the first administration history of the country to unleash the department of justice on a former president and a political

rival week obviously subprime time airing of the january 6 committee hearings. it followed on impeachment and of course biden's concern then was a donald trump would get in the office and do the same to him and his supporters and his family. and so he decided to take preemptive action. in his my mind his latest evidence of just how bad this l'affaire strategy is been for the country. yet another terrible precedent has been set i doubt this will be the last unconditional set of pardons that we see presidents giving as they go out the door. quick someone must've told the press if you do this, president joe biden if you do this donald trump comes in a pardons januart going to have any standing to criticize him you pardoned your family preemptively for anything and they did from janjanuary 1, 2014, anything at all up to the present it is extraordinary.

>> it is a terrible precedent for the thing you worry about with pardons of former officials and so forth people who served in government as a culture of impunity coming up for democrats say they are so concerned with what trump's nominee for important posts are going to do fbi director kash p cash totalis confirmed to that post. imagine if trump and four years has a president were right before he leaves office he says anybody who served in my administration were going to wipe out any crimes you may or may not have committed over the past four years that that becomes a precedent for each new president taking office watch out. paul: let's turn to trumps generally six apart at one point he said he's going to look at them case-by-case. no way in what he did. he parted 1500 people including some that kyle has reported as really brutal, hitting police. what happened to law and order of the republican party?

>> i think that is a very good question. i suspect a lot of voters are wondering the same thing. you may ask whether it trump too some extent has hurt himself. i would not say seriously with this. with the base the patriots. there's a lot of people at the margin who voted for trump who i don't think are on board for commuting the sentences of people who assaulted police officers like this. as a while, and shows trumps unpredictability. he has undermined jd vance and attorney general pam body who both said essentially that probably they should not give pardons to people who have committed violence against police. he has just done that. does undermined accountability. these are the conservatives who complained about progressive prosecutors. he let people off who have

committed a crime saying they should not have failed their underlying social reasons why these sorts of things are happening. that's essentially what is going on here. paul: were there any examples where people who went into the capitol were treated unfairly. that is one accusation. >> is such a big pool of cases a lot of voters think prosecutors went overboard. but look at the numbers a little bit. there are thousands of people around the capitol that day. they were about 1600 cases charged by the justice department, the prosecutors had said they had declined to charge hundreds of cases for peoples whose only crime was trespassing on restricted capitol grounds. about one third of the 1600 cases that were charged involved accusations of assaulting or impeding or resisting police officers. then there about 1100 sentences handed down. about one third of those

involved no jail time. and go through the cases and find the people but excluded the guy who tased with a sprayed beat killer in the eyes of police officers that day. >> looking forward, the precedent here. are we essentially seeing the guard rails are completely off? it's one of the most absolute the president has. we have willy-nilly pardons here, not just by donald trump at the future presidents? >> yes, i am very concerned about it. it's always a problem when you go we should all be concerned anytime we hear the word unprecedented. this might be something where congress if he gets a bad enough is going to have to come together in a bipartisan way and a reire- think this a presidentl pardon power. >> is going to take a constitutional amendment i think unfortunately. coming cap next a federal judge

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paul: federal judge on thursday temporarily block trumps executive order ending birthright citizenship in the united states. doing it early setback to his plans to overhaul u.s. immigration system. the decision comes as the new

admits ration looks to make good on one of its central campaign promises. the present almost declaring a national emergency at the southern border on monday. paving the way for thousands of active-duty troops to be deployed to the region in the coming days and weeks. we are back with our panel. kyle, what sake the court decision on birthplace citizenship first. are you surprised this was judged unconstitutional? not surprised at all the result long consensus about what birthright citizenship needs in the united the 14th amendment was passed after the civil war. after the dred scott decision the supreme court ruled former slaves and their descendents were not u.s. citizens for that is white birthright citizenship was initially passed. as a supreme court precedent from late 1800s involving a guy who was the son of chinese nationals who were in eligible living in the united states but in eligible to cap u.s. citizens

the supreme court look to the 14th amendment and said this is what that means. i'm almost more surprising president trump to sign this executive order claiming he was going to do this while admitting in the oval office i'm not sure of this is going to work. paul: is trying to tee up a supreme court decision on this they may never hear it that the appellate courts knock it down. so kim, i want to take up some the other specific things the president let's are sending in e troops the board word is may be as many as 10,000 members of the u.s. military are going to the border pre-talk to us about the legality what can troops to the border? there are restraint legal to do. >> writes if it's worth knowing we already have troops down at the border. a couple thousand of them put to the extent trump is immediately has already i already immediateh i think 1500 more that are going down there, army and marines. what he said they are going to

be doing is assisting in the construction of border security. providing air lift support for the deportation operation that is going on. this seems to be a signal so far at the administration is recognizing there is a bar and law against the police and being used for civilian activities. that is something that is taken very seriously. that's going to win the big test if you get these people down there a show of force to show the border is sealed. were not going to allow people to cross it is one thing protecting national borders potentially. but if you start expanding that mission you even legally dicey territory. >> incident as a deterrent effect of sending signal throughout the region that sorry, the border is now closed. what about the issue of sanctuary cities which really hurt trumps enforcement actions in the first term? you have some mayors a saying we

are still not going to cooperate with trump. tom tom home in the borders ared if you obstruct us i will go after you legally. so, that can be a pretty big showdown. >> is a justice department as well put out a directive this past week saying they would tell a local federal attorneys to investigate. local officials who were resisting. it raises the question of what exactly is the endgame here of trump opposition to the open borders? is it to close the border? deter people from coming up? to stop the flow? let me quickly say joe biden created this problem. this is on joe biden this has to be done now. but, does he want to deter people from coming in? or how many and which ones that are already here does he acthe actionwent to round up?

for instance have people from the drug enforcement, cops and the drug enforcement agency being pulled into this. this is not exactly what we do. there is a limit to the resources that can be dedicated. tom home and has initially said he wants to get the criminal migrants out of the country. i think everyone would agree with that pretty seat democrats on television chicago think we agree with getting the criminals out of the country. once you push be on that it's going to extremely complicated technically, practically and illegally. i don'i'll think trump once thee right in the entire length of his presidency. >> separating families if that happens or raids on busboys and that sort of thing. i say no, no, no protecting criminals in jails. in the venezuelan gangs that has permeated a lot of cities. >> absolutely for that that was

the trump administration can pick fights with the century city mayors the places that will be politically popular. you are already seeing mood shift on immigration the lake and o'reilly acts, who knew congress to get together in 12 centers democratic senators voting yes on immigration bill. that's the other piece of this there's a lot that can be done to help a president trump on the immigration issue if he can get a bill through congress. paul: if he stops the border first, that will be a big achievement. and then maybe we can get to some more constructive political decisions. pretty much president trump big on his artificial intelligence he announces billions of dollars in private for ai infrastructure america. ch more energy. he's like a puppy again. ♪ (banjo playing) ♪ c,mon bo!

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the formation of the stargate and new american company that will invest $500 billion at least in ai infrastructure in the united states every. >> i'm thrilled we get to do this the nine states of america. this'll be the most important project for this era. >> president trump is betting big on artificial intelligence the second term. partnership on tuesday between open ai, and oracle which could invest as much is $500 billion in ai infrastructure in the united states. trump said the joint venture called stargate will build dated centers and create more than 100,000 new jobs and ambitious undertaking ceo altman called the most important project of this era i'm joined by andy who writes the inside new column for the wall street journal. andy, good to see you. so this announcement the 500 billion sounds like a lot of money. on the other hand is this kind

of a pr announcement or something that's going to happen anyway given the fact we need big investments to go and compete on open ai? >> will sure. trump certainly likes his flashy announcements. this question is the money even there? elon musk says southbank does not have that much money to invest. the numbers just keep going up and up. like the saudi's in the car invest 600 billion in trump says make it a trillion. >> is the bunny there? that seems to be a real que question. open ai has a huge market cap valuation. microsoft invested, i assume they can raise the money either through equity. >> itis up to raise the money. they have the assets but they don't quite have the cash on hand to do it. they said they're going to put up 19-point open ai's going to put up 19 billion they don't quite have now. abu dhabi's going to come in

southbank ceo sold his entire position. you've got to be careful how that money is raised. paul: the bigger news, at least to my mind and if you agree, trump is repealing the ai executive order of the president divided which led to regulation, more regulation of ai. trump seems to be saying look, we need to compete with china we need to unleash our companies to do that. what do you make of that decision? >> look, we are on record when biden signed the executive order with guard rails are only allowed to use a certain number of chips and all of that stuff. it's the stupidest thing ever. let's unleash the innovation. let's let all parties play around this stuff. it's too early for guard rails. there's plenty of other ways to

protect the technology. >> you agree with that avon other people out there with ai experts in dealing with this technology saying we need those guardrails because what happens when it becomes too powerful? don't we need the human guardrails? >> i think you can build a kill switch into all ai systems so they do not run amok. that is very easy to do. when you start counting that number of graphic processors and by the government i don't like it. one interesting things particular at the inauguration but even before it is a queue of billionaires and tech ceos to support the inauguration giving a million dollars to the fund and showing up at the inauguration itself to line up there. what do you make a billionaires

row? what do they want from trump? >> well, what they got was a place of a power and influence. they were wealthy, worth billions. but you are sitting in the second or third row how cool is that? they did get the biden executive order on ai repealed. but they also give something up. trump came in and said there will be no censorship of conservative posts on x or facebook. they were pretty clear they're going to give up their censorship. they change it to community notes. there is cost of that fame and influence. paul: what about the political risk for trump? they just starting to make the case. this is an administration by millionaires for billionaires but is not really about working people. look at all the rich guys light up here with what trump is doing

for them. does trump have to be careful little bit? >> sure, the optics are terrible especially since the talk of tiktok, the band are going to sell the settlement in the u.s., and the names that come up are elon musk and larry allison. they are back to back in the inauguration of cross conferences with the president. look, silicon valley is the one taking the risk here. silicon valley works best when they are left alone to innovate. go hide in your labs and do all these great things. but as soon as they start messing with the government and a regulation that was on the.com era bad things happen. there is just a messy things it can take place for this mai regulation that sounds good but isn't good. i would rather they spend time themselves in innovate. paul: i agree with that. briefly did they have to do something? politics would not leave them

alone. >> that is true. once you have multitrillion dollar market caps and ceos worth that much, they become a target. of course they become a target and let's face it facebook was certainly involved. zuckerberg had box. the biden administration was telling what to censor, what not to censor. so yes, they had to do something but lobbying would be helpful. sitting in the front row or the second row at inauguration puts a target on your back. paul: will see where they go over thank you andy. we come back donald trump throws tiktok a lifeline seat delays as he delaysenforcement of a nen law. the present executive order eagle legal? or does he have a plan for the popular social media platform? rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪

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♪ ♪ hours after taking office on monday president trump through tiktok a lifeline issued executive order delaying for 75 days the enforcement of a new law that took effect sunday regarding the social media app to divest from its chinese owner of bright dance or be banned in the united states for the present who says he needs the time to pursue a resolution that saves the popular platform floated a joint venture in which the u.s. would get a 50% stake in the company. >> if i do not do the deal it is worthless. worth nothing. if i do the deal it's worth maybe a trillion dollars, a trillion if i do the deal i'm talking about doing it for the united states and very do the dl for the united states i think we should get half. the u.s. should be entitled to get half of tiktok. paul: we are back with our panel.

kim, what you make of the president of the united states says a lot of that become effective january 19 telling the justice department don't enforce that until i can work out a deal. >> this is remarkable. not just from the president's perspective. this is a president that when he was in office last time it was determined to shut tiktok down. you had congress got together spent a lot of time working on this. put together a well considered bill, passed at last spring. as a time drew close for tiktok to go dark everyone is like we didn't really mean it. so congress hasn't backtracked the president says don't enforce it. none of that changes affect the clear letter of the law lays out what should have happened. while the president does supposedly have the ability to put forward a 90 day suspension of this, the law actually says there has to be a deal on the table and progress has to be being made for that to happen.

that's a violation of a clear directive laid out of statute. >> really telling the oracle, apple, google's the ones that host tiktok who do not read between the lines which is explicit in the law. don't worry about it we want enforce it. on the other hand states might be willing or able to do it if they want. shareholders could file a shareholder suit against the companies for putting the company in jeopardy if they do get fined down the road. >> let's add as well the supreme court affirmed the law by a unanimous decision as well. it's based primarily on national security preet national security reasons were the basis of bipartisan law passed by congress. trump is really testing the limits of presidential power here. it's really not clear where this is going. it's hard to understand exactly what he is saying or what

rationale he's givi given for tg to save tiktok. initially it was tiktok helped so many people young people vote for me. >> i think that's one of the reasons. >> now he's talking some soy of joint venture privileges listening to him he said the u.s. would get 50% of the money. does he mean that u.s. government? or some consortium of private owners? the law makes it explicit the chinese government coul cannot a 50/50 government did party to set up a. >> so they got to divest 50/50 sorry, at 99/one doesn't work either this has to be divested entirely that's of the law explicitly says. so the question is, what is the president want? does he want to broker and chief here and work this out so larry allison and elon musk and buy it? >> i think he was using and not

politically unpopular which is banned in app used. you may argue that maybe once a leverage. he's going to go into a deal negotiations with china about trade or about taiwan or something else. he will have this that he can use on tiktok. there is such a thing as enforcement discretion. the cops cannot pull over everybody on the new jersey turnpike he was going over fit 65 miles per hour process that was going on here. maybe if he thanks he gets a deal he can get congress to ratify the deal. i sort of wonder if there's enough tom cotton to see the threat of tiktok that they would not go along with that. paul: the president cannot say to xi jinping let's do a trade deal i'll throw in tiktok on the side. that does not work legally because congress passed the law that said you must do this.

>> can also point out this is sending a terrible message to china. china only looses two messages of strength. what it sees right here it has an app that so popular. by the way, where we shutting it down? the chinese is using it to spy on americans for that's the fear and the worry and that love being continued to stay open. they see a president and a population that's willing to turn it side to the law and give it its way for that's a bad message. >> went to take one more break. and we come back hits and misses of the week. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. yay - woo hoo!

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♪ paul: time now for hits and misses of the week with. kim, you're up first. >> paul, this is a miss to speak speaker mike johnson's decision to green light a new subcommittee to re-reinvestigate the democratic investigation of

january 6th. and i appreciate there are a lot of bruised feelings still about that pelosi committee, things it got wrong or missed, but the reality is republicans have been looking at this for two years. and if you look at the pile of work that they have to do, there's so many problem that americans want them to fix going forward, it would seem the wiser course of alaska to close the chapter on this unfortunate day. paul: kyle. >> a miss to democrats who are repeating an internet meme that a elon musk gave a nazi salute on monday. watch the video, he says his heart goes out to the crowd, he waves an arm toward it. any insinuation is a dirty the trick. being defended by the anti-defamation league and benjamin netanyahu, but certain democrats are running with it. paul: yeah, ridiculous. dan? >> i'm giving a hit to the colorado supreme court that

ruled unanimously this week that an elephant is not a human being. [laughter] now, this is the american legal system and, in fact, an animal rights case suggested elephants had significant cognitive abilities and service the violating their habeas corpus rights. we're sorry, an elephant simply is not a human being, and this is a week when we've been hearing a lot of talk about common sense. this this decision qualifies. paul: with one colorado justice to do it? if be sure -- that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot. hope to see you right here next week. ♪ finish. ♪ ♪ [laughter]