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a.m. here on the east coast. midnight on the west coast. this is fox news continuing coverage of a search and rescue mission, which is underway after a plane crash here in the nation's capital. tragedy striking over the skies of washington and american airlines. flight coming in for a landing at ronald reagan national airport. colliding with an army helicopter. as mentioned, search and rescue teams are now racing against the clock in the hopes of finding survivors. welcome in everybody. i'm kevin corke in washington. >> hello, kevin i'm jonathan hunt, live in los angeles. it's midnight, pacific time here. a large emergency response has been dispatched to the scene of this terrible crash. at this point, the number of fatalities has not been confirmed. but we do know there were 64 people on board the american airlines jet. the airline offering its condolences a short time ago.

>> i'd like to express our deep sorrow about these events. this is a difficult day for all of us at american airlines, and our efforts now are focused entirely on the needs of our passengers, crew members, partners, first responders along with their families and loved ones. >> now it is still being termed at this hour, officially a search and rescue operation. but obviously, as time goes on, the chance of finding survivors seems to diminish. for more now, we go to fox news correspondent mark meredith, who has been on scene since minutes after this crash happened. mark, what is the scene there now? >> jonathan, we are still seeing this search effort underway, but you're right, a totally different mood at this hour compared to maybe, say, five hours ago. also, not to mention moments ago, my colleague was able to get some new information that the u.s. figure skating community says that they had multiple community members on board the

aircraft coming back from wichita. these would be athletes, coaches, their families. we don't have any names yet, but an indication that this very specific sporting community was impacted out of this crash because there were so many members on board. we don't know yet who else may have been on board this flight. you mentioned the total number of people on board 64. that would be the four crew members, two pilots, two flight attendants, and then the 60 passengers, as well as the three u.s. service members on the military helicopter as those two collided. in terms of the search effort underway earlier this evening, we heard from the mayor. we heard from the new secretary of transportation. we heard from pretty much anybody that would be connected to this, saying that right now, their focus was on that search and that possibility of trying to pull anyone out of these waters just outside of d.c. on the potomac. however, just gauging what we have seen the activity dwindle so much, you've got very few helicopters still up looking. you don't have the spotlights on. before they were crisscrossing the potomac,

jonathan, basically looking for any sign of life, any sign of debris instead. now it just seems like a lot of the ambulances that were stationed near the airport have just been sitting there. you know, they were all stationed ready to go for a mass casualty moment to get people to a trauma center. instead, those ambulances have stayed put an indication, again, that there may not be any survivors on this. we'll be waiting for the official word from the d.c. government, as well as the feds, who will be investigating this. it will be the ntsb, the national transportation safety board leading this investigation. we know the fbi was involved as well. president trump was talking about how he was briefed on this and that. he, of course, was very sad about what happened. there's still going to be a lot of questions about how this could happen in the first place. one of the key pieces of evidence is the video that surrounds the airport. believe it or not, there are cameras stationed on the airfield at all times, and through that, pretty quickly we were able to see some of the moments of the explosion. i think there was one camera on top of the kennedy center facing down. that was where

that video also came from. i saw a video from a dash cam. it looked like it could have been an uber driver. so there will be a lot of video that the government is going to be able to sift through to try to piece this together itself. the new transportation secretary, as i mentioned, sean duffy, who was just sworn in a few hours ago, says that this is going to take some time to figure out. there was some questions at the press conference, jonathan, about what's your initial reaction? what do we know? where do we think this will be? and he said, we've got to wait to see what happened before we can rush to judgment at any point. i live in d.c. and i use reagan airport all the time, much more than than most people maybe around here, in the sense that this airport is very much entrenched in this community. but people who fly in and out of here, like myself, we have gotten so used to seeing so much air traffic out of here. this airport was never built for the amount of commercial traffic that it now gets, but it's a very popular airport. think of it like a laguardia, in the sense that it's so convenient to the city that it serves, as opposed to having to go all the way out to dulles or having to go out to bwi. so

there's been a lot of talk over the last several years about whether or not the airport can handle the additional air traffic, because there is so much intersection of traffic of military aircraft here in d.c, not only do we have the commercial airports just down the road, we've got joyce andrews where air force one flies out of a lot of military aircraft. you've got the metropolitan police department here in d.c. they've got a helipad nearby. you've got all sorts of military aircraft flying at all hours of the day and night. so there will be a talk about how close they should be to reagan, who was responsible for being in that flight path and what role, if any, the air traffic controllers may have had in getting that to this collision where we are? what about today? we know that the airport is going to remain shut down at least until 11 a.m. eastern. was that eight hours or so from now? it is certainly possible that they could extend the ground stop. either way, it's going to be chaos that the airport itself. i would imagine that so many of the airlines will just go ahead and preemptively cancel flights, because they would need those aircraft ready to go in the morning to get out, and they haven't had anything come in for the last several hours.

now, inside the terminal, there was a really ominous message that was posted and it simply said, there's been an emergency. we don't have a ton of information. stand by all flights grounded. please contact your airline for more information. so for those passengers who were in the terminal, perhaps waiting to board those late flights, those final flights out of the night last night, they were simply wondering what's going on? would they get anywhere? i've heard that there were a lot of people that were stuck waiting for luggage. you know, they had to get all that stuff offloaded. it doesn't happen automatically, jonathan. it takes some time, but there's going to be more chaos at reagan airport tomorrow. we don't know what time or i should say later today. we don't know what time we'll get another update from the investigators here. i would imagine we'll see a more formal on camera briefing at the ntsb at some point later today. and more comments, again from the secretary of transportation, who's made it very clear he'll be actively involved in this, even though he was just sworn into the job a few hours ago. >> jonathan and mark, it's interesting in these situations, often what isn't happening tells you as much

about the situation as what is happening. and i believe you said in your excellent reporting there that you have not seen any of those many ambulances that rushed to the scene leaving that would say something terrible about this unfolding situation. mark. >> absolutely, jonathan. and even in the news conference, you had to kind of read between the lines and sense the tone in the room. nobody wanted to come out and just say that the tragedy we all fear that was unfolding is as bad as it could be. but instead, you didn't hear any of those messages of real optimism either. yes. what we were seeing and what we've been out here, we're outside of a marina just south of the runway about, i mean, less than a half mile away. we could see all of these emergency vehicles and ambulances that have been stationed in the same spot for hours. obviously, if there were people that they were saving and getting out of there, we'd be seeing the traffic going back and forth to the hospitals nearby. instead, they have just stood there. i'll turn around

just because, just to make sure. but yes, they are still very much stationary. there's a photo that's been going around online, and it appears to be a shot of the helicopter mixed in with the regional jet, the rj seven. and it just shows you, yes, we know it was a collision, but when you see it like that, it shows you how intertwined the damage is, the destruction is, and that they're probably very much focused on just that one area because again, it was a collision at such a low altitude. right there you can hear the helicopter going above me. it looks like they just are circling up above, no search light on, possibly just giving the rescue responders the latest of the lay of the land of where things are. it was interesting probably about two hours ago now we had our lights on. we've been facing the potomac like every other news crew that's out here. jonathan. but the police came up to us and others and asked us to turn our lights away from the water because they were using night vision on the water, and they wanted to make sure that they could see clearly. obviously, fox and all the other media outlets complied and said, no problem, whatever we can do to help. but it gave you that idea

that there was still holding out that hope that maybe something or someone had floated further south of the airport, but no indication of that. and we haven't seen any real boats out here on the water, maybe 1 or 2. this area of the airport, obviously, it's more traffic up there in the center of the airport where it looks like that a major accident happened. jonathan. >> mark. meredith. mark, thank you for your continued excellent reporting, context and color. unmatched. thank you so much, mark. kevin. >> yeah, great job out there by mark weather and everything. now for more on how the trump administration is responding. fox news channel's chanley painter joins us from new york. my friend, i wish we were speaking on better circumstances, but great to have you with us in our coverage tonight. >> same, kevin. great job to you and jonathan. and of course, mark. well, president trump, he is reacting. he posted on truth social earlier calling this a quote terrible night thanking first responders and perhaps asking questions. we are all wondering at this point saying this quote, the

airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the to the airport. the helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. it is a clear night. the lights on the plane were blazing. why didn't the helicopter go up or down or turn? why didn't the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane? this is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. not good. and trump's transportation secretary sean duffy, who was just sworn in tuesday already facing his first major incident on the job, immediately pledging the full support of the ntsb and all responding agencies and authorities. addressing the media earlier this morning, watch. >> department of transportation and faa perspective. we are going to offer full support to those on the ground, to the mayor, but also to the ntsb, who is going to be conducting

the investigation in this matter. we are going to provide all the support that's necessary. >> other key trump administration officials also voicing their support. homeland security secretary kristi noem posting on x that all resources will be available from the u.s. coast guard for search and rescue efforts, and says they are actively monitoring the situation and stand ready to support local responders. the secretary of defense, pete hegseth, also posting with this quote, absolutely tragic search and rescue efforts, still ongoing prayers for all impacted souls and their families. investigation launched immediately by army and dod, meaning the pentagon and the army are investigating the crash, and the ntsb said it has launched a go team to also investigate the cause, which has yet to be determined. kevin. jonathan. >> thank you so much. jonathan, over to you. >> kevin, as first responders searched through the wreckage and continue to search for any

potential survivors, obviously the question that everybody is asking is, how could this possibly have happened? so let's talk to commercial airlines. pilot j.p. tristani. jp thank you for being here. and as you look at the early videos that we're seeing, as you hear the air traffic control talk with the helicopter, what do you make of what we're seeing in what is obviously the very early going here? >> well, what you're going to have is a situation of possibly gross negligence. it's not going to be on the landing aircraft. he had priority. but you now. >> have a. helicopter whose first. >> requirement and. >> that's clear weather. >> to see and be seen. >> and also. >> the tower. >> all of. >> them. should have been on the tower frequency. the commercial airliner. the helicopter, even though he may have just been on uhf rather

than the vhf frequency used by all the commercial and civilian flights. but nonetheless, the tower. also has a local radar. anyone thinking that the avoidance equipment aboard the commercial airliner could have been in play to warn the pilots for. >> a. >> resolution advisory. that's a negative, because the tcas system is inoperative below 1500ft above ground level. >> that's interesting, jp, because i've heard a lot of talk about the tcas system, the collision avoidance system, over the last few hours, but that simply wouldn't be in play. you said at that, at that 400ft or so altitude. >> no. the tcas system is inhibited below 1500ft of above ground level. and that's for one simple reason. the tcas

system is going to give a nose up or a nose down command if it has a resolution advisory that an aircraft is on a collision course, well, you don't want to be on an approach and suddenly have an advisory to drop your nose to avoid a collision. so it's inhibited. it's just it's just cuts out at 1500 feet and at 1000ft. no, there's nothing there's nothing coming through. so the pilots themselves, though, on landing the aircraft, that's a difficult airport, the same as laguardia. it's almost like to me coming aboard a carrier when i was flying into reagan. and so the pilots are focused on your rate of descent, your airspeed, and your target of where you're going to land on that short runway. so there's no games to be played. both pilots would be out of the cockpit, staring out and focused on that. the likelihood that they would see a helicopter approaching from whatever quadrant he came from is not very likely, and

probably from what i saw of the explosive effect of the both aircraft striking one another, they were literally less than 30s away from touchdown on the commercial pilot landing. so you've got difficulties there that that commercial airliner, quite frankly, had no chance to do any type of avoidance. >> and jp, what how much of a red flag is it to you that this was described by the army? the black hawk flight, as a training flight. now, obviously training could mean a plethora of things. we don't know whether we're talking about a brand new pilot in training here or an experienced pilot training for some specific aspect of flying. but it is a red flag to some extent that this was a training flight, is it not? >> yes it is. and when you're talking about the experience of the pilots, the pilot in

command, the one flying the aircraft, and it's a night flight, so there's very good probability that it was some form of army helicopter night flying experience. the pilot in command flying would be highly experienced. now, his copilot may be the one that was in training for a night flight, even possibly utilizing night flying glasses, which is again a training operation. but one of the pilots would still be required to see and be seen. your head is also outside of the cockpit, just as the commercial airline flight is required to do on that landing. but at 400ft in that impact. what was that helicopter doing in that particular approach path? that's going to be the determining factor. and the other one remains the tower does have radar facilities. so

what were they doing in the tower that they should have been doing. all good, good questions at the ntsb will at some point answer for all of us. jp tristani, thank you so much. great to get your expertise this early friday morning. thank you sir. >> kevin it's terrific. thank you jonathan. joining us now on the phone is fox news field producer seth andrews, former spokesperson for the new york office of emergency management. he was actually on the scene during the crash of airways flight 1549, famously known as the miracle on the hudson. thanks for joining us tonight, my friend. your reaction as you watch these pictures, even at this late hour, it may harken back some memories, i imagine. >> kevin, great to be with you tonight. thank you. >> yeah. >> i mean, that was one of the first things i thought of. i mean, i was there front and center when, you know, sully, you know, miracle on the hudson landed the plane on the hudson

river. that was unbelievable. i was i was sitting in watch. >> command, and we're. >> getting all these phone calls coming. >> in, and. >> all of a sudden. >> it's like. >> all right, we have a plane that just landed on the hudson river. >> and i. >> was steaming up the west side highway with our first deputy commissioner, kevin kevin drayton, and i was sitting in the back seat i'll never forget. i looked at him and i said, is this going to be a recovery mission? and he said, most likely. and as it turned out, it was not the case. all souls on board were accounted for. and tonight it's just devastating what you're seeing out of, you know, the, you know, metropolitan area tonight, i mean, first responders are out in full force right now from fire department to police department. every resources are at their disposal. there's boots on the ground. they won't stop. they're descending from everywhere. and, you know, you look at the pictures on the

screen right now where you see, you know, static pictures of just police and fire vehicles that are there. but i'm telling you, these guys are they're working it. they are they're double timing it. and they're going hard right now to see if they can find anybody that's that's still, you know, around. >> so i'm so glad we got a chance to get you on the show. and i know we don't have a ton of time, but i was interested to hear from you because i know you've also had to deal with families who've suffered loss in the last 20s or so. what would you say to those who will be unfortunately impacted by this crash? >> lean on your loved ones you know. go to the people that support you and be strong and listen to what the professionals say. you know, take the time and listen and rely on the loved ones that are surrounded by you. >> seth, you're the best. thank you so much, my friend, and

continued success. we'll talk to you again on the other side of things, hopefully. thank you. seth. now over to jonathan hunt. >> and this is a fox news alert. you are looking now at video of another israeli hostage released by hamas just moments ago. agam burger, an idf surveillance soldier who was kidnaped from the nahal oz base, is seen alive and walking. she's wearing her uniform or one of the uniforms that hamas puts these hostages into. that may be another fake idf uniform, the kind that hamas has put other hostages in. but she is smiling, she is waving, and she is now, as we understand it, in a red cross car and will be on her way to meet idf forces in all, three israeli hostages are slated for release this morning. agam

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like this. there were a couple of things i wanted to try to get to very quickly, before we wrapped up our coverage at the top of the hour. number one among them. is it fair to say? and i'm trying to be careful. i want to be sensitive. but is it fair to say that this is now, or certainly soon, will be termed or deemed a recovery mission? >> well, i think it's at this point fair to say that, but you have to hold out hope and hope that you can actually have a miracle and rescue somebody. but you can just tell by watching this as a search and recovery expert myself, who's trained this for many years, you can watch what's happening and tell that at this point there's an assumption about where this is going. that doesn't mean that they're putting less than their full effort and more into it, and they will continue to do so until told otherwise, because that's just what people like this do. but it's unfortunate,

of course, that that we're here. and i think it's a safe assumption where we're going now. >> let me ask you about the weather. i know we've we've spoken at length about what happened between the aircraft. we're dealing with a water event here as well, colonel, and to be honest, it has been mighty cold. maybe not today, but for the last several weeks here in washington. >> yeah. weather and search and rescue. this is almost like the worst conditions of all kind. water borne cold, temperatures dark. that's that's just, i guess, the environment that a search and rescue expert would describe as to what is the hardest thing to possibly do. and that's exactly what you have here. now the weather, the temperatures themselves would have had no impact on the actual aircraft flight patterns and altitudes and their ability to perform. so right now the weather is greatest impact is on the ability to conduct search and rescue operations.

>> yeah, i'm just looking at a map right now, colonel. the water temperature is just 35 degrees. i just don't know how long you can even survive. and temperatures like that. i'm imagining hypothermia could probably kick in and maybe 10 to 20 minutes. i'm not sure. let me ask you very quickly if i might, about your experience as a helicopter pilot. i want to be careful again and not making too many assumptions, but i happen to know a little bit about aircraft. i happen to know a little bit about helicopters. can you imagine or envision a circumstance where you're not given better instruction to see what's going on? you can't see behind you. you can't see what's on top of you. i'm just shocked that there wasn't better instruction here. >> well, i think part of that question comes down to what instruction was given. given what was heard and could be acted upon. and i think that's where the tapes are going to come out. and recordings of

what was said between the air traffic control and cockpit and they'll, they'll, they'll put that together, that entire timeline and they'll know who said what and when and what you cannot rule out or what you can't seem to really completely control is the actions of a pilot who, you know, has an aircraft in his hands and can make it do many things. so that's what i want to see is, is who said what on the radios and who knew what when. and we'll go from there because right now it's way too early to assume too much. but helicopters, what i'm curious about is the fact that he that he didn't seem to move at all as he flew towards the towards the airliner and in the blackhawk, i can tell you for a fact, is highly maneuverable and highly reactive. if you'd seen something, you could turn that helicopter on a dime, almost. and that just didn't happen. so it leaves me with many questions. >> yeah, i was thinking the same thing. i mean, i'm not it's not a longbow, but, you know, that thing can do some

things. and i'm surprised, quite frankly, at what we've seen. by the way, don't forget there's a hotline for the families. guys, if you can put that one back up again. this is a hotline for the families impacted. 800 679. 8215. colonel, you've been great and so helpful for us tonight. thank you so much, and we appreciate your time. >> yeah. thank you. >> and, kevin, we are some 6.5 hours on now from that terrible crash as you look live in arlington, virginia, across the potomac river. 64 people on board the regional jet. three people on board the us army. blackhawk. as yet, no word of any survivors from officials. we await the next briefing. we'll be back. >> it's called. >> the pit. it's a classified

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>> what is officially still a search and rescue operation continues in, on and over the potomac river in washington, d.c. after that, regional jet carrying 64 people collided with a blackhawk helicopter over the nation's capital. as the jet was coming in to land at reagan national airport. mark meredith, our correspondent, has been on the scene throughout this unfolding tragedy, joins us again now. and, mark, you were saying earlier that the rescue part of this operation seems to have diminished a little bit. are we moving towards what will ultimately be just a salvage operation here? mark, in your view. >> jonathan, it certainly looks that way. that's because within the last 30 minutes since we last spoke, we have seen some flatbed trucks move on to the airport ground and we have seen

more emergency vehicles leave. so as of, you know, two hours ago that all you could see was red and blue flashing lights. instead, those have been replaced with trucks that are more orange, an indication they are more going to be for a salvage operation or trying to get some of this debris. and i hate to say it, but also bodies onshore and out of the potomac. what we have seen out here all night, because we have been out here all night, is a few different scenes. early on, we saw multiple helicopters, maryland state police, dc metro police basically going up and down the potomac looking for any signs of life, any signs of debris, since probably about 1 a.m. that has gotten less and less and less. and instead, what we have seen is just one helicopter far above potentially coordinating some of the resources closer to the ground. we know, obviously, that they've had some of the coast guard boats, d.c. police boats, the airport staff, airport crews out there very close to this wreckage site. but compared to what we saw earlier, where it was all hands on deck, instead, the scene has changed quite dramatically. jonathan, moments ago we also learned that we are going to

get another on camera update from first responders as well as dc's government, at 7:30 a.m. eastern. was that four hours from now that the 1 a.m. news conference? officials did take some questions to their credit, but they also were not able to say anything in terms of casualties, to say numbers or where they were in terms of recovery. i would imagine at this 730 news conference, we're going to get those very grim details that we are kind of alluding to right now. i also want to mention that so far, within the last hour or so, we've learned more details about who was on board this regional jet, and it was multiple members of the u.s. figure skating community, not just athletes. athletes were on board, but their families, coaches, support staff, the u.s. figure skating community saying that they had multiple members out in wichita and they were on their way back. i don't know if they were just connecting here in dc or if they were based here in dc. american has a hub, if you will, out here at reagan. so it is also possible that many people were connecting out of wichita, potentially catching other late night flights to other spots in the

mid-atlantic. we're still waiting to know more about who was on board. we do know the total number of passengers on board 64, i'm sorry, 64 people on board, 60 passengers, four crew. so two pilots, two flight attendants. this is a longer route for a crj 700, but still well within the range for this aircraft. i was surprised at just how filled up this aircraft was on a wednesday night heading east. it was a late night flight. obviously getting into dc. we know that the airport is going to remain closed, jonathan at least until 11 a.m. eastern. it's likely that many flights that were going to be scheduled out in the early morning. so you're six, seven, eight. so those are just going to be canceled altogether. but the airport is likely going to have to stagger operations throughout the day. if you are going to be flying out of reagan, you'll want to call your airlines directly and potentially reroute yourself out to dulles or bwi, officials said. so far, there hasn't been any delays at those airports, but there were multiple aircraft diversions. the flights that were. >> on their. >> way into dc instead were sent out to dulles. we even had a producer who was on one of those flights, who. ended up at

bwi and had to come on back. jonathan i'm sorry. >> sorry, mark. i was just where i was checking in with our producers. whether we have time to keep talking to you because your your reporting has been so excellent here. so i apologize for interrupting you. that was just meant for our producers. but, mark, i wanted you to give us a sense. you're a resident of d.c. you fly in and out of reagan national, obviously, all the time. give it give our viewers who may not be familiar with it, a sense of how busy that corridor is for flights and how often you see things like military blackhawks going along that same corridor. >> absolutely, jonathan, we see aircraft of all shapes and sizes, all day and all night throughout the dc area itself. you're right. this is an airport that i and many of our fox colleagues use so much because it's convenient. this is right near dc. it takes you

ten minutes to get curbside, to get over to the white house, or even up to our offices 15 minutes or so. it's a very popular airport because of the convenience of it. and with members of congress who've been continuing lobbying to expand the airport's operations to allow even more flights to go out, just a few months ago, they announced there's new flights going even further to the west coast, out to san diego, los angeles, seattle. and so there's been this debate whether or not reagan airport can even handle more traffic. if you've flown into here, odds are you've had to wait for a gate before they even opened up a new terminal just two years ago to try to alleviate some of that. but you're asking about the aircraft and the traffic we see right above us. you're right. we also see a ton of military aircraft because this area is so heavily patrolled all hours of the day and night, it's not uncommon to see multiple helicopters at low altitude going up and down the potomac, sweeping back and forth. some of them are doing training exercises. some are there to look for any nuclear radiation material. the idea, of course, is that they got to

protect d.c. at all costs, and there's always a large amount of military traffic going back and forth, including to the pentagon. you know, they'll use the helipad right at the pentagon to drop people off. we'll wait to get some more details from the dod about what this specific helicopter was doing. my understanding is that there were three people on board and it may have come out earlier. i apologize if i just missed it earlier about what kind of training mission this was. and obviously there's going to be questions about why it was operating in this area, what kind of role, if any, air traffic control and had in directing it in the flight path of this american regional jet. and that was even something that was asked at the news conference, jonathan, to the new transportation secretary is what, you know, how did this happen? what could it be prevented? what do we need to change? and he simply said, it's too soon to tell at this point. it just happened a few hours ago. the ntsb, the national transportation safety board, will lead this going forward. they'll issue a preliminary report several months from now, and then a final report, likely a year, year and a half from now. and that will give us a more idea of what can happen, the after

action steps. and you can bet members of congress are also going to hold hearings. we're hearing from the kansas congressional delegation tonight. that is pretty rare. i mean, you don't usually see that happen so quickly after a disaster, but because of where this is, there's going to be a vested interest of all of these lawmakers to find out what happened and what can be done to make sure this doesn't happen again. jonathan. >> for sure, all of those lawmakers who use reagan national themselves so regularly, of course, mark, thank you again for your excellent reporting over these last awful 6 to 7 hours or so. this crash happened just about seven hours ago. collision between a regional jet carrying 64 people and the u.s. army black hawk carrying three crew. we have no word yet from officials that there are any survivors. as mark was saying, in just under four hours, there will be another official press conference, and we, kevin corke and i will continue our

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such as the ambulances and things. eventually those will start to leave and they will bring in. most likely they'll they'll use divers to see what they can recover without lifting the aircraft out of the, the water. but you'll start to see recovery vehicles pretty soon. i would imagine at some point arriving on the scene, and that could be cranes, and it could be barges that they will lift and put these things on. >> we're looking at quite a debris field, aren't we? we're talking about, you know, possibly two knots along that river. i've been on that river and it can get a little choppy if you if you're familiar with it. and yet i'm also curious, won't there be a systematic walk along the shoreline where we have to just double check and make sure there aren't pieces of debris or other evidence that we need to collect? >> oh, i'm sure that there is. and there's probably already somewhat of a systematic search

down river at this point that's looking for debris. i know when we were in the hudson and we had the liberty city helicopter crash with a private airplane coming from teterboro airport. that debris field was very large. and it the current there was flowing at a good clip. so i think also the fact that this was such shallow water that when you see the plane and the helicopter, they're pretty much sitting on the bottom. so but they're sticking out of, of the water, but they're not floating in the water. these are in seven, eight feet of water. so most likely they're there on the bottom. they're resting on the bottom. so the debris field as it came in and hit that area, depending on how much those aircraft broke up, it will it will determine on how spread out that was. but you got to remember that blackhawk helicopter itself weighs 20,000

pounds and is moving. i would i would say at least at 90 knots. the airplane was moving at about probably about 140 knots. that's the approach speed. when they collided. and that's just a tremendous amount of force that that broke those two aircraft up. but i think in the video, what you can make out is that a good portion of the american airlines plane did stay intact as it went down and hit the hit the water. you can actually see the wings rotating as it goes in. >> yeah, i did notice that. and what's also interesting is i've seen several angles for some reason. and again, i don't want to put you in a box here, but for some reason it appeared at least in one of the angles i saw there, jonathan, that the blackhawk helicopter didn't really veer away from the fixed wing aircraft. >> i don't think they saw it. and i and i'm still wondering if air traffic control was

communicating on the right frequency, because there was no response that i could see. and i also found that the, the path that the, that the helicopter was taking into the, the incoming traffic, that that lands their daily hourly, it's extremely busy, extremely controlled environment that those planes are flying. and that's probably one of the most controlled air spaces you'll ever fly in because of the national security issues that surround that airport. and so when they are on their final leg, there is a tremendous amount of communication and awareness of what's going on. so, you know, we've been talking a lot tonight about these training missions. the possibility was that these helicopters were involved, or the helicopter was involved in a training mission that could be national security related. so that wouldn't be a new pilot at all and would explain the lack of communication that they

were. and most people when you say training mission, they think that it's a new person training to be qualified, but this could have actually been some type of training mission in and around that area for a national security response, some type of thing like that, where they were flying at a lower altitude or a different type of direction, but still when you go into the pathway that these, that these planes are landing on a normal basis, i just find that to be very, very disturbing. and the fact that the communication, it seems, was either on the part of the helicopter or the air traffic controller or both, was not happening with that helicopter. >> yeah, atc is going to have some explanation, some explaining to do. listen, you've been so gracious. thank you very much, my friend, for joining us here tonight as we continue our coverage here. have a great day as best as you can. and again, thank you jonathan. >> you got it kevin. >> thank you. >> well i want to welcome in my

colleague jonathan hunt, who has been with us all night from los angeles. just fyi, guys, i've been having mixed minus for the last 4 or 5 minutes. or maybe there's a key open. maybe somebody wants to address that. jonathan, your thoughts as we conclude our coverage here tonight? >> yeah, it's been a difficult night for the nation. obviously, kevin, this terrible collision 64 people are on board that regional jet as it was coming in to land at reagan national airport. three crew on board the u.s. army black hawk helicopter. and what strikes me as we wrap up our coverage here, kevin, is just the idea that, as jonathan gilliam was saying, we look as though we are, in all reality, moving towards a recovery operation. although this officially remains a search and rescue

operation. but we are now some seven hours, i believe, into into this. since this crash. and while we have not got any official word on numbers of fatalities, neither have we been given any word at all that there are any survivors found as yet. and as all our guests have been saying, kevin, the temperature of that water close to freezing for anybody who may have survived the impact of that plane and helicopter going into that water, your survival in that kind of water, i believe, experts would say, is somewhere between 8 and 20 minutes. and you can imagine that if you did survive that, kevin, just the sheer horror of finding yourself in that water in the dark, strapped into your

seat, and then trying to have to find a way out. it is a horrifying thought, kevin, and these have been a horrifying few hours as we watch those first responders do their best tonight. it's been an honor being with you, kevin. i wish it was in better circumstances. this has not been an easy night for anybody, and it will not be easy in the days to come. kevin. >> very well said. jonathan. thank you for saying that. and obviously a big salute to our entire crew, both on camera and behind the scenes. we're also learning more about the possible victims of this crash, including what we believe are members of the usa figure skating. it's going to make for a very difficult several days ahead for my partner, jonathan hunt. i'm kevin corke in washington. we send you next to fox and friends first, todd pirro and the great carley shimkus. >> we will move. >> and doug. >> you'll be back.

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