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in los angeles and this is america's late news, fox news at night, breaking tonight recovering the so-called black box from the wreckage of last night mid air collision, and those voice recorders of flight data recorders, could hold key information on the final seconds before the crash. the nation to deadliest plane crash in almost 25 years. all 67 people on board the two aircraft's fear dead. as search and rescue become search and recovery. plus, did you hear what rfk jr. said? no? maybe that's because democratic senators had no intention of listening to him. >> something a jury might be impressed by,. >> i understand that. >> those who share your anti-vax views and let them do your dirty work. so what you do as secretary will also benefit you financially down the line.

>> i will comply with all of the ethical guidelines. >> that is not the question. >> you are a rubber-stamp in this position so, it really is fundamental to what you believe, how do you live with that? >> how do you address those issues as you're moving forward? >> i'm going to answer the question. >> trace: regardless this so-called movement is strong, dozens of moms kids doctors and nurses travelling to d.c. this week to show their support and they are passionate. >> why are you so passionate about rfk? >> i want to watch my child to grow up healthy. there is no greater tragedy than washing your child suffer than having to bury your own child, i have heard from hundreds of thousands of these parents across america, it has to stop. >> trace: we will have two proud supporters onset and moments, and a president trump's picks for fbi director and director of national intelligence, also on

capitol hill we will tell you where things stand for all the nominees, the first to our top story the national correspondent live at reagan national airport with the latest one investigators are saying tonight. >> good evening, in just a moment, they released those photos of the cockpit and flight data recorder recovered from american airlines bumpier see rj 700 airplane you can see they have taken it back, to the lab under evaluation, no word on the blackhawk look off to reporters and officials are asking a trace , the public for patients because there is -- it is going to take time to determine the cause of the crash, as you know 67 lives total, 64 on the airplane, three on the helicopter, believed to have been lost first responders are actively in that recovery mode as officials work to determine how and why this happened. >> right now we are going

through the debris field, nothing we have seen would indicate that any... it was a quick rapid impact. >> this all began quickly before 9:00 last night as american airlines was in the final approach to runway 33 here, when suddenly he collided with the black hawk helicopter, a routine training run earlier today president from questioning the altitude and proximity of the two aircraft at the time of the crash. >> president donald trump: the helicopters should have been 1000 feet or 500 feet above it. or something below it. the plane was at 300 or 400 feet, the plane should have been stopped because the helicopter could've stopped. the plane cannot be stopped. >> it's been a long day for newly confirmed transportation minister he was now demanding answers. >> what happened yesterday should not have happened, it should not have happened. when americans take off an

airplane, they should expect to land at their destination. >> we are learning tonight "the washington post" report, 24 hours prior to this crushed other airplane had to abort it to run because of the helicopter in the area, we hope to get more answers when officials come back to the airport tomorrow and give us more details. >> trace: we will talk about that, live for us at reagan national, let's bring in aviation attorney timothy, aerospace engineer arthur, number black hawk helicopter retirement colonel darren and former pilot robert, thank you all for coming on, we appreciate this, are third to you first a "new york times", they said the following, they said that reagan airport in the tower was understaffed, the associated press said it was staffed fine but both of them agree on the following point, the controller was handling

helicopters in the airport vicinity wednesday night, also instructing planes that were landing and departing from what runways, those drops typically are assigned to two controllers rather than one, should one controller be doing both of these jobs? >> first of all, one way 33 at washington national is one of the busiest runways in the united states of america. this control was concerned about getting flights off. he was also assigned the duty of watching out for the military. this scenario, when the american airlines flight was able to use runway one to land, which moved them closer to the path of the helicopter. the control in my view was probably overworked and distracted, concentrating on the arriving flights on the runway, runway one and runway 33.

and was not paying attention to what was going on with the military helicopter, in fact when he cleared the military. help -- to look after he said basically look out for the commercial plane, do you see it? the pilot of the blackhawk responded quickly, yes requesting visual separation. in that instance, things were lost by the controller. >> trace: and meantime colonel darren i want to bring you into this because i want to redo the conversation we also have sound but i want to read it to you just so we can get specific, this is the conversation between atc and the black hawk helicopter, do you have the see rj insight, past behind the see rj, the helicopter responds they have the aircraft and site request visual separation, and the atc said separation american 472 washington south tower ended and the collision happened, less

than two seconds later. would you think of that, should the tower be more specific giving the instructions, saying at 12:00, 11:00, 9:00, at your right or left, would you think? >> well for my 22 years of flying blackhawk that is what i'm used to. when i talked to towers they are telling me that there is an aircraft at 10:00 5 miles at my altitude or higher travelling left or right, something like that and i would know exactly where to look. this was made very confusing, when you see it after the fact now, and can only imagine it was confusing in the cockpit to because when they were told do you see the aircraft? and they said yes! they were given the instructions were given, there was one aircraft taking off and one landing.

clearly they never saw the aircraft they hit, one has to, for now, conclude they thought they were cleared to go behind the aircraft i was taking off. >> trace: it seems rational right? i want to play now the conversation, the actual audiotape conversation of this for you, and see what you think, air traffic control talking to the helicopter in the conversation that followed the collision, watch. >> there was a collision on runway 33, we're going to shut in operations for the indefinite future. >> trace: clearly what we have here is seeing the plane -- they saw the wrong plane on the helicopter was heading towards the target.

>> i would agree, thank you for having me. it's common and especially during daylight hours the controller might identify the aircraft based on the colours or identified as a regional jet and daylight hours would help you identify the aircraft you're talking about so there would be no confusion about the actual aircraft. it's happened to mean the past. like in atlanta where there are multiple aircraft in the air at one time maybe four or five manoeuvring for landing. >> trace: meantime pete to you, the defence secretary said this about elevations today, watch. >> tragically last night a mistake was made. the president is right, there was some sort of elevation issue that we have started to investigate. >> trace: he said some sort of an elevation issue but we know the ceiling is 200 feet for the helicopter. the crash happened around 350 or

400 feet right there, the helicopter is wrong and it goes downhill from there. >> absolutely, that interestingly calls and questions about the air traffic controller who may have been overwhelmed. he has information on his scope that tells him what elevation the aircraft is flying out. if he sees that it is above these 200-foot ceiling, instructions to dissent should have been given. those are all questions i need to be answered. if i could, it very interesting i would like to note what happened in the conversation before the question about whether the aircraft was seeing the see rj, was any community case before that? >> trace: is a very good question, meantime the associated press writes the following, over 24 hours before wednesday's no matter collision a different regional jet, executed a go around manoeuvring when dissenting to land at reagan airport due to a military helicopter, in the same area. it seems like this was an issue. >> absolutely clearly, on this

particular case, "the new york times" reported that they found this plane was around 300 feet and a half a mile outside the court or that they were supposed to be in, which would put them right in the flight path of the american plane, the prior incident was similar, and should have put the air traffic control people on a notice that they needed more vigilance and watching what was going on. putting this one patrol -- one patrol or on last night, in a situation where they were busy on the runway, was a recipe for disaster. >> trace: it really was. colonel to you, a form helicopter pilot that i spoke with today was talking about the night vision goggles, that may or may not have been used, watch. >> one of the problems that can rise with night vision goggles is folks can get fixated, they can fixate on one thing and all of a sudden miss something that is happening right out there

left or right eye. >> trace: it was in night vision goggles training mission, would all three be wearing it and in your assessment but they be wearing these at the time of the crash? >> if they were wearing them at the time of the crash, they should not have been because that is a really bad place to do it. why do urban areas tend to wash out goggles? to your first question of course, '03 -- all three have to be all goggles on or all off, that's standard in the army, everybody has to be seeing the same thing. of note, there was three... those chiefs based coming into the inside to the outside, and they actually increased the range of vision and view before obstacle avoidance significantly. they are critical to the safe operation of the black hawk helicopter. >> trace: yes.

>> is not abnormal it's routine, but, that could be a factor that they identify in the investigation where that one person may have impacted their ability to identify. >> trace: very quickly, the regional jet was told to switch from one way 12 runway 33, it means a left turn -- to switch from runway one towards runway 33, it means a left turn, would that make a difference? >> just to make sure you are operating correctly and were planning on the runway, it's common in less busier airspace, or helps the controller let another aircraft apart to switch the runway, but in this situation, definitely played a factor and personally, i would probably have declined the

request from the controller. >> trace: what is your big question? you look at this, you are an aviation attorney you know this inside and out, what is your big question? >> my big question is a lot to do with the communications that were happening with the blackhawk. we don't know what they were told, before they were asked do you see in aircraft, were they given directions, where is the aircraft they are looking for. this question about night vision goggles seems to be nothing because they would have not been flying with those on this airspace. >> trace: interesting, all of you, gemma thank you. rate insight -- gentlemen thank you, great insight! >> christina joins us now, at evening. >> good evening, the families coming to the tragic loss in last night's deadly collision. >> the victims in this horrific

crash includes six ice skaters and two coaches from the boston skating club, olympic gold medallist nancy kerrigan is a former member of this group. >> always welcome and happy to see one another and to think, to walk in here and i see them, it would be very strange for everyone that comes here especially those that are here daily. >> 14 u.s. figure skating members were on board the plane including two coaches, the 1994 paris role champions evgenia shishkova and vadim naumov have been training young skaters in the u.s. for years. >> when you lose coaches like this you lose the future of the sport. >> secretary of defence providing details about the training mission involving those on the black hawk helicopter. >> the young captain, staff sergeant and the chief

officer. routine annual retraining of night flights on a standard corridor for a continuity of government mission. >> the cadet leaves behind his wife, and a 1-year-old son, also on board chief warren and officer andrew eves, his wife asked for prayers. as for those on the plane, sam lilly was the flights first officer and the son of an army veteran. montreal native and flight attendant was a father, stepfather and husband. his family says, he died doing what he loved. one passenger on the plane was a mother leaves behind two young children, her husband described her as quote, a truly amazing woman through and through. he said she was the best wife, mother and friend that anybody could ever hope for.

>> all of this is so sad we are waiting for more names to be released, many of the victims were from virginia. >> trace: it is sad, thank you coming up, cash patel and rfk jr. held their own against a slot from democrats, did they do enough to push themselves into the president's new cabinet and later in the nightcap, last night the trump administration took mere minutes to respond to the deadly mid airplane crash, and hours to respond to questions, the biden administration, took hours to respond to the new orleans terrorist attack earlier this month and several days to answer questions. in fact, we went back and looked, kj p waited a full 62 hours before holding everything and it appears biden never answered a single question from the news media. except for this... >> i'm not going to comment on any specific things.

>> trace: are you surprised by the contrast? it -- is it essential our elected leaders respond quickly to national events? let us know on twitter and instagram, we will read your responses coming up in the nightcap.

>> trace: the fox news in a common sense department is pretty sure you cannot just say whatever you want to say without somebody -- without some accountability right? because hawaii democratic senator brian said that robert f. kennedy jr. wants to conduct the experiment on all americans. for context it was the study involving black men over four decades. leaving them civil and silent mike untreated is he of the

disease would progress. many died, rfk jr. never indicated or intimated that he would recommend anything that resembles it. the senator said kenny -- kennedy will kill millions, but it's funny because millions are already dying because our countries obesity rate is astronomical. that is why rfk jr. wants to reevaluate processed foods and additives to hopefully a lower obesity. common sense thinks the democrats would understand that if they only would allow kennedy to speak, instead they spoke. saying untrue and outrageous things and they said these outrageous things about them buddy who months ago, was their friend! as always, politics supersedes humanity. common sense thinks it's impossible to control obesity until you control the big lie.

>> president donald trump: i put safety first, the democrats put policy first. they put politics at a level that nobody's ever seen because this was the lowest level, the policy was horrible. and their politics was even worse. >> trace: president not hesitating to point the finger, blaming the deadly disaster at his democratic predecessors another dei policy let's bring in licensed pilot and los angeles county aviation. seattle talk radio host, jason, to you first the president might be right maybe local policies did contribute to this accident, we don't know that. i think the question is, should that be left to the investigation, is this a time to bring up? >> so, i thought the first half was great, i thought he spoke thoughtfully, passionately and

really hit home the emotions that so many people were feeling in the aftermath of this and really was focus on the victims families. with and unfortunately i think he got into the dei stuff way too fast. if he was asked a question about this, that would be one thing, he decided to be proactive about it and i don't think it came off the way he had hoped and i think it overshadowed everything that he had done up until that point, which i thought was so effective. it was the wrong place, even if his policies are better and even if his position on this is reasonable. does not like any of us disagree with the dei nonsense, it was just the timing of it i don't think was appropriate. >> trace: steve, the president clearly always said what is on his mind, can say its not the time for it, but mistakes were made. it costed 67 lives. >> yes, honestly this reminds me of something we have been talking a lot about in the last

few weeks. another disaster, that claimed the lives, not on exactly the skill but if you put them together in the last month over 100 americans have died, both these situations, the crash in the wildfires in l.a., they both look as if they are the result, the scale of it, from incompetence policy failure going back years. it is democrat policy failure. if you look at the ffa even the inspector general back in 2023 in june, the scathing report about how it has been mismanaged and understaffed and some of the locations in the country spent 65% nearly of the people in the traffic control trainees, it's a total mess and it became a mess under the last administration. is totally appropriate to say, people were anxious with the fires but they were also angry. >> trace: it's a good point, you are a pilot christina,

getting out of the politics, if you were in one of those aircraft, you would've wanted more information coming in to you. >> yes, a big part of the problem is the split frequency, the controller... the jet pilot probably did not hear the frequency so they did not have the full situational awareness and obviously that's hugely problematic when you consider a whole other issues with the altitude, potentially being the wrong altitude for the helicopter or being hard to see a night when the city lights look like maybe the aircraft lies, it's much harder. where their night vision goggles on? we don't know! did the black hawk pilot see the wrong air traffic? so many questions. >> trace: meantime now the confirmation hearing to you jason, this during the rfk hearing was said, watch. >> when you continue to sell doubt about settled science it makes it impossible for us to move forward.

so that is what the problem is here. it's the relitigating and rehashing and continuing to sell doubt, so we cannot move forward. it freezes us in place. >> trace: three years ago jason they fired people because the covid vaccines in their mind was settled science, please... >> i think that is entirely correct, i think the strategy of attacking, not letting him respond, pretending that he did not answer a question and then yelling and attacking again, i think there is a valid criticism of some of the comments rfk has made in the past. i think it's totally relevant when you bring those questions out. you have to do it in a good-faith way, you actually have to allow him to answer and they did neither of those things and that's what ultimately, people watching this, and sided with rfk, even if they went in sceptical.

>> trace: we put a little bit of this in the intro to the show, but i want to play it for you because this is the senate, these are his ex-friends, not allowing him to answer the question. watch. >> something a jury might be oppressed by, these vaccine panels, who share your anti-vax views and let them do your dirty work. what you do as secretary will also benefit you financially down the line. >> i will comply with all of the ethical guidelines. >> that's not the question. >> you're just above her stamp in this position so if you're really is fundamental to what you believe, how do you live with that? how would you address those issues as you are moving forward. >> do you want me to answer the question? >> trace: you would think they would want answers, you would think they would not put

politics over what they believe is best for the country. >> honestly, all these hearings actually seem to be getting worse. the main casualty, if you like, is not the people that are trying to take down these nominees a president trump, is the senators themselves, they make themselves look like pompous... i'm not going to curse on your show. is ridiculous grandstanding speeches, all about them and the attention they want rather than actually doing their job, which is by the way not to push the policy disagreements, that was settled in the election, trump one! policy agreement is irrelevant, they should limit their questions, of course they can help themselves, they are pompous politicians. >> trace: rfk talking about his former friends christina, watch. >> all these democrats are made for partisan issues, they used to be my friends, and now they

are against me because anything that president trump does, any decision he makes, has to be lampooned, discredited, marginalized vilified. >> trace: old friends. >> look no matter how you feel about rfk the rate from politicians during these are absolutely stunning. where was the outrage one half of our kids got a disease, when red dye was put in children's medication, it causes a slew of issues, we have food and chemicals in this country that are banned in other countries, where has that outrage been for the past few decades, he became one of the sickest developed countries on the planet. completely and acceptable and i would like to see them put -- come to the moment. >> trace: thank you all, coming up cash patel turned the

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>> trace: the presidents picked, the fbi this senate confirmation, kevin is live in d.c., to show us how cash patel thayer, at evening. >> gloves on and they definitely were swinging at the opposition, i can tell you that, at evening, despite fierce criticism from democrats and even some republicans, many of the presidents, those controversial cabinet picks, earned confirmation believe it or not that is the verdict following one day of intense interrogation

on capitol hill for both of the presidents, choices that were being interrogated today, mainly his choice for national intelligence and his presumptive fbi director cash patel. >> i carry not only the dreams of my parents but also, the hopes of millions of americans who stand for justice, fairness and the rule of law. >> the american people deserve to keep our family safe, from terrorism, drug trafficking and violent crimes. not this check list of grievances we find in this book, your record makes it clear you are not the person. >> we knew how the democrats were going to vote all along meantime while he seemed on solid ground coming into the confirmation hearing former congresswoman chelsea seems to have improved her chances with an unflappable performance today. >> i will begin by leading by example, checking my own personal views at the door, and committing to delivering

intelligence that is collected, analysed and reported, without bias, prejudice or political influence. >> it appears to me you have repeatedly excused the worst actions. instead, often blame them on the united states and those very allies. >> meantime number governor of north dakota doug was confirmed as secretary of the interior today making him the fifth from cabinet nominee to be so confirmed and plenty more to go. >> trace: kevin live in d.c., thank you let's bring in natural path a physician, former fbi special agent and fox news contributor nicole, along with former security council chief of staff, great to have you all on, nicole you first i want to play cash patel's two themes he wanted to hit on, watch. >> the two themes if i'm confirmed, are going back to

giving a simple, one the good cops are cops, two, to restore the trust in the fbi, that has degraded not by my opinion by the pole that only 40% of americans have trust and faith in the fbi. >> trace: the trust's way down the might be time for a change. >> it's absolutely time for a change, obviously i was a special agent with the ethnic with the fbi for over one dozen years i worked violent crimes, i had the gun, the badge, the credentials i was out there working tirelessly, day and night, over and over and over and do you know why i was there? i want to protect the american people, and uphold the constitution. obviously the fbi has gone off the rails especially under this last administration, the political and social weaponization is taken the agency down. the trust is at an all-time low of what cash patel is going to need to do obviously is to gain the trust of the american people, but more importantly, to gain the trust of the fbi agents internally.

they at the end of the day are the ones doing the work, ranking file, those who are working honestly and heart, they need to gain trust in the fbi. they have lost trust in the fbi and i pray that he comes in with solid leadership and gives him the accolades they deserve and they need in order to protect the american people. >> trace: when you talk about trust, put this on the screen this is the gallup poll, this is the fbi doing an excellent good job look at 2019, 57% said yes, so -- excellent good, 2024, 41%. nothing to be proud of. >> no, it shows that we have to have fundamental reform of the fbi and i think with the american people sought today was the cash patel i know, a trusted confidant to trump for the past nearly decade, this is a guy who the american people sought today, he has the character, he

has charisma, he has the professionalism, and he also learned i think sadly from the first time because the media has this key point, he is the most qualified person in the history of the fbi, if you just judge him based on national security credentials. at this guy has been there in the trenches by national security, and he is going to be the right guy at the right time to fix the fbi. >> trace: meantime dr. gina here is rfk saying that if you want a big mac and a coke, have a big mac and a coke, watch. >> if you like a mcdonald's cheeseburger and a diet coke with my boss love, you should be able to get them if you want to eat hostess twinkies you should be able to do that, should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health. >> trace: you what you want but know what you were eating. >> 100%, it's about education,

we need to know what these foods are doing to our health, the health of our children and one's parents now, educators now, what the field they are eating, how it impacts their health, they are going to make those changes and so that is what rfk jr. was saying, is not trying to limit access to certain foods and be biased in that way. >> trace: we were talking about this in common sense where they were talking about, he wants to do the experiment and it's so ridiculous, he wants you to know what's in your food, he wants your children to know what is in their food. >> that's exactly right the reality is is that the health care is a failed system, there is 220 million americans who are dealing with chronic illnesses, something is not right, everybody knows that, a serious fork in the road, we continue down this failed path or we go a different way and that is what he is saying, calling for a radical transparency. >> trace: i want to get through the second round, here is this, this is senator versus

chelsea, watch. >> do you think he is brave? >> mr. vice-chairman, have -- edward broke the law i don't agree or support the information and intelligence he released nor the way in which he did it. >> trace: she is a patriot, she has done well by this country, former democrat and they got the knives out for. >> i can just tell you i have a tremendous amount of respect for chelsea, she is the real deal, she is honest, a woman of integrity and she stands for what she believes and what she sees truth, she acknowledges it and recognizes it, and i think she will do incredibly well. >> trace: i want to play this, and see if you like this this is adam shift going on cash patel saying he was cheering on the people he went to the capital in january sixth and went after the police officers, watch. >> tell them you are proud of what you did, they are right there, they are guarding you today, tell them how proud you

are. >> that's an object line you know it. i've never, never ever, excepted violence against law enforcement, i have worked with those men and women as you know. my entire life. >> trace: i got about 15 seconds, it's almost theatre in that room. >> it's absurd, it's theatre, adam shift could not get a security clearance, he purged himself over and over again, he scent a member of congress and the gall he has to go after cash patel, is beyond belief but that's where we are. >> trace: when you see rfk and when he is going up against his opposition gina, are you thinking it's crazy? >> absolutely, what he is bringing to the table is common sense. common sense medicine, and a common sense change in how we approach health in our country. to help us to become the leaders again, which we are supposed to be, the demonstration country.

we have the ability to do that, i regret that he did not have the opportunity to really talk about the impact that food and agriculture can have. >> trace: they would not let him talk. last word caroline? >> they are scared to let them talk with the senators are on notice because critical to their reelection, is this movement and specifically the women that have switched aisles to come in and vote which is going to be critical for all of them so it will be interesting to see how they both. >> trace: all of you, thank you, the top administration taking minutes to respond to the deadly plane crash last night the biden administration took hours to respond to the new orleans terrorist attack, i supply -- are you surprised by the contrast? let us know, next.

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(clock ticking) (clock ticking) wait. (♪♪) >> trace: back with an eye, crew tonight's topic different strokes president trump took questions from the press hours after the deadly plane crash meantime joe biden we are waiting for them to answer our questions about the new orleans terrorist attack, are you surprised by the contrast jason? >> not at all, i think when you have a really strong leader, your staff is going to emulate that, you have a doddering old

man who is incredibly incompetent, your staff is going to be incredibly incompetent. >> trace: steve? >> no, and this is part of the whole approach we are seeing from this administration, communicating all the time, all the people you see it over the border, immigration, and this has well and it's exactly what we need in our information. >> trace: kevin? >> i think it's a difference in how they view the american people, this administration wants to talk, that administration, they could have taken it or left it and more often than not they left it. >> trace: christina? >> i agree with kevin they want to be transparent and clear and i really appreciate that. >> trace: caroline? >> that's what this group is all about -- all about. >> trace: tim? >> i appreciate a president who comes up quickly and reassures the american people that we are they are looking into this, they are going to make sure everyone is safe, i do appreciate accurate information, based on

evidence that is known. >> trace: making his emergency management is essential especially with major events i'm not surprised, it was good to see leadership last night from the trumpet minute after four years it feels like the adulterer back, kelly set i think it reassures people that the authorities are working immediately, on the situation, tammy said delaying the response only stokes the fires of misinformation is best to share whatever they can, as soon as they can, jeff said it's about time we have doers in the white house, paul said, it's 100% the expectation for our leaders there was no expectations for biden. tommy says yes, our government needs to respond quickly, it does not surprise me trump was timely, and tiffany said yes, we needed this sort of leadership, it is a breath of fresh air and i am here for it. thank you for watching america's late news fox news and night' i'm ins los angeles, and we wil see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ wins wrath.

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