sputnik wasn't the first man in space, putting the first man in space, but rather satellites in space. so we check us here on "the will cain show." so you will be noticed. it is time for some will of the people. turner says on x, please stop nodding your head through every interview. it's very distracting. i'll try, turner. kate collins says the last two days your voice is deeper than usual, are you okay? sounds like a cold. i have had a cold, thank you for your concern. i have gotten all of your home remedies, including whiskey and bourbon and elderberry peered i will be solid on monday. and why does your voice seemed deeper and not as travel? what goes? unfortunately this deep baritone will go eventually. i would like to keep that part having a cold. thanks for joining us as we get to the heart of what matters from the heart of america. we hope you have a great weekend. here comes "the five." ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine: hello,

everyone. i'm judge jeanine pirro along with jessica tarlov, jesse watters, katie pavlich, and greg gutfeld. it is 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ okay, you do it. okay, we are getting shocking new details on the deadly midair collision between an american airlines jet and an army helicopter. which cost the lives of 67 people. it looks like there is a crane on the scene right now. transportation secretary sean duffy announcing that the faa will restrict helicopter traffic around reagan national airport airspace. and for good reason. military helicopter flights reportedly forced at least two plans to abort landings at the airport in the week before the deadly collision. one of those close calls came just 24 hours before the collision. additionally, it has been revealed that air traffic control staffing was "not

normal" at the time of the collision. and one of the controllers was apparently allowed to leave their shift early, right before the fatal crash. president trump is vowing to fix the dei rot at the faa by ordering a review of all federal aviation hiring and safety decisions in response. here is the president. >> this was all caused by bad rules, regulations, and other things by biden, the biden administration, and when you look at the way they ran things, in fact, if you look, we hired, one of the first things i told them to do, get talented people in those beautiful towers overlooking runways. you better get in there fast because we don't have people there that are qualified. and you knew that because planes were landing very, very late. this was all because of weak rules in the biden administration. >> do you have any concerns that your commentary about things you have described as common sense

or your observations could in any way interfere with the thorough investigation of the crash? >> no, i think they will do an investigation and it will probably come all the way i said it, i was right but they will still do an investigation just to check it out. >> judge jeanine: but instead of conceding that the president has a point on raising standards for people who apply our planes come all of the liberal media wants to do is attack, attack, attack. >> when you talk about dei and trump, it is despicable, and enraging it is c. >> 3 minutes, and then let's blame the blacks and disabled. >> that is what the president said, black, brown, women, people with disabilities because this crash. >> what he is saying is the only people who are competent to run anything in this country are white men. >> his instinct is never to bring people together, but even in some stunning fashion, try to blame others. >> judge jeanine: i got to

tell you, jesse, the claim that when he talks about dei and lower standards, their interpretation is that what he is saying is that only white people are competent. are they stupid? do they not know what dei is about? >> jesse: they know but they can't admit it because it was their idea. the politicians demanded that reagan at all these extra flights to this airport because the only to get home to their districts to have three and four day weekends, but the politicians didn't staff reagan. reagan wasn't staffed. it is the busiest runway in the country and they don't have enough people, but they have enough people at the department of veterans affairs where they are having orgies. they have 60 dei employees at the va but they don't have enough at a control tower at reagan, the busiest runway. they could have had enough but biden wouldn't let white guy in, put into a lawsuit, thousand white guys what perfect scores, one guy had a 100% on the entrance exam, to be an air traffic controller. biden said no, that is still in.

i had a guest on last night who flies these army choppers, and she said that the air traffic control communication was bad. it was poor. it was vague. and that could have caused this crash. and no one knows why this blackhawk was flying in this flight path, anyway. why don't we have enough guys, also, not only the staffing, because of the pandemic, we stopped for two years training these guys. how is that not an essential worker? so we have no one to go under these towers and control this. only 1% of air traffic facilities in this entire country have hit their staffing targets. that was last year. that was under mayor pete. so this is poor management, poor priorities, and if they have a problem with it in the media, it is called constructive criticism. >> judge jeanine: you know, katie, the truth is that they are making dei about race when it is about intelligence, it's about competence, it's about

recognizing that we need the smartest people doing surgery, flying aircraft, protecting the american people. we know certain things. we know that the helicopter was at 200 feet. it was supposed to be, than it was at 350. we know jesse is right about the controller saying do you see a plane without identifying which plane it was because it was one landing and one taking off. so that's a problem. now we hear today that there was a controller who left early. >> katie: well, washington, d.c., and reagan national have been managing these types of flights with the different elevations, the planes, commercial planes, and the helicopters for years. there has been tens of thousands of flights in and out of reagan without having this problem so the question is, what has changed? if you live in d.c. and fly in and out of d.c. all the time, you see these helicopters all around town, and the question is, well, why isn't there helicopters in these paths anyway? they're doing military training, there is no other place in the

whole country they can do military training that is not literally in the pathway of these commercial airline flights? also, these helicopters are there because high profile politicians or cabinet members or people who want to get out of traffic and get somewhere quickly, they want a helicopter ride from the pentagon to the white house to langley to the cia, et cetera. so that is why these flights are taking place. it is not that they are necessary. but they have been able to manage them. so you have to ask the question of what has changed here? and jesse is right, there is this class action lawsuit against the faa for turning away thousands of highly qualified individuals who applied for these faa jobs because they weren't the right skin color. so when you talk about the diversity and the inclusion and equity, it's actually a violation of the civil rights act, first of all, it is discrimination, and second to ball it is dangerous. maybe we still need to know what is happening in this situation but it is clear when you are

hiring people for sensitive jobs based on skin color or whatever else, there's going to be a problem somewhere at some point. >> judge jeanine: greg, one thing we found out was there were three people on the black hawk. one, i think they call him a crew chief, and then they have the one pilot with 1,000 hours, the other with 500 hours. one of the families is saying we don't want the name of our family member identified. why do you think that is? >> greg: i don't know. i don't want to answer that question. that, to me, it's not my area of expertise. i think the topic that interests me is can you blame the biden administration and can you be suspicious about the competency of the faa? and i say you can blame the biden administration and you can be suspicious because who brought the suspicion on?

well, the democratic party covered up and incapacitated president. that is the most important office in the land, and it was deliberately compromised, so why shouldn't you wonder about every single institution underneath that? if they were that cavalier about the president of the united states, we should be worried. i said this before, there is a crisis of competence, and we saw it in that debate. we had also a guy in charge of nuclear safety who was a kleptomaniacs fetishist. there was no one at the wheel, so this goes back to why is trump succeeding? because he is establishing order among disorder. whether it is crime, immigration, foreign policy, and that appeal to order comes from this overwhelming sense of chaos, which comes from the top down. the hood ornament of chaos was the president of the united states. he reflected the incoherence and the confusion and the absence of

leadership that spread out throughout the entire governmental system. trump is the realignment. and he is doing it through a very simple prism. america first, driven by common sense. could be applied to every segment of the government, almost every segment of society. especially when there is a segment that feels that it might be in disarray and you see this ask and you wonder how does that happen? how does somebody leave early? was somebody inexperienced? you have every right to be suspicious. because it may be connected to the overarching, the overarching crisis of competence. if the crisis of competence. it causes a lack of confidence, and the solution that trump is offering, it may not be right in this case. it may not be dei. but you sure as hell can ask that question because it seems to us that every institution has been degraded in the last, i don't know, for years, you can go back even further. when trump came income he didn't know what he got. you could go this was under him. he didn't have a clue.

the government was already screwed. we were screwed. and now he is doing the unscrewing. >> jesse: the unscrewing. >> judge jeanine: that's good to know. but what you've got now is once we find out the facts -- and i think the facts are going to be pretty easy to find out. i think we may already know them. it is the why. why do we have so many vacancies in the faa? >> jessica: i would love to know the answers to that. i think the ntsb representatives have seemed really good in these press conferences, very authoritative, talking about the time they need, but saying i am going to be as transparent as possible. they get their investigations done usually less time than they allow themselves to do it, so hopefully we get answers, and i don't think there's anything wrong with asking questions about our procedures that ended up with a completely cataclysmic "american horror story." we all agree on that. but when jesse says that president trump is offering constructive criticism, it is not constructive criticism to say this is joe biden's fault.

or this is pete buttigieg's fault. >> jesse: why not? >> jessica: because that is just blaming your political adversary. it is not taking any responsibility -- >> jesse: the guy who was there before -- >> judge jeanine: who had the responsibility -- >> jessica: the nifty part about being the 45th and 47 the president is you are also the guy before, and greg is right, these policies were in place under trump. i went to try to find out about your dwarf recruitment, and that existed under the trump administration -- yes, actually. it is up from june 2017 to june 2021, even a post from april 2019, faa provides careers to people with disabilities, the list -- >> judge jeanine: don't put them in a control tower. >> jessica: you are talking about -- >> greg: it's about the fact, you are expanding why d.o.g.e. is necessary. trump didn't know about that. let's be obvious. >> jessica: trump doesn't know what he is in control of -- >> judge jeanine: fill the jobs -- >> jesse: getting rid of, because i don't think there's going to be a quote after this

peered. >> greg: by the way, lay off the little people. >> jesse: sorry, greg peered. >> judge jeanine: no-go ahead. >> jessica: you know you're being hypocritical about this. i started with there should be a full investigation. and there will be. but you cannot deny the fact that when trump came in to give the press conference, the first one yesterday, he did the nice part, then he found himself again. he immediately said dei, dei. then the support staff. duffy, hegseth said dei, the picture came out a white guy who had done a thousand hours so it moved onto incompetence. if that had been a minority person, or they are trying to say the pilot -- >> judge jeanine: but dei is about incompetence, that's the point. >> jessica: you don't think there is a reason that he is shifting gears after he saw -- and no, you are never mind readers with trump. >> greg: that is why the left lost. they thought they could read people's minds. you fell prey --

>> jessica: you know what i don't have to migrate about, when you say that everyone loves this because it is so streamlined and he has been so successful. i know that there is chaos because this is sending -- >> greg: because you read peggy noonan piece? >> jessica: i saw portals being down, emails going out, you can take a buyout, emails going out you're going to be fired tomorrow, i saw -- >> judge jeanine: you know what, i am worried about more people coming out of the frigid water and why they are in that water -- >> jessica: no -- >> judge jeanine: then whether they are going to -- >> jessica: joe biden's fault -- >> judge jeanine: no, i'm not. >> jessica: share -- >> judge jeanine: this is the worst crash since 2001. all right, coming up, they just can't help themselves. the geniuses who want to run the democrat party are still blaming kamala's loss on racism and misogyny. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> jesse: democrats still have no clue why they got their looked in november. the next dnc chair candidates attending a forum, why they are the one who can pull the party out of their trump depression slump and start winning again. unfortunately they just can't seem to get it together on why identity politics is a loser. check out this amazingly stupid group. >> so i am going to -- i have a show of hands. how many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in vice president harris' defeat? [laughter]

[applause] okay. so that's good. you all pass. >> jesse: and the guy they are trying to replace who presided over the loss of the senate, house, and presidency, jaime harrison not only thinks joe biden could have won but that kamala could stage a comeback. >> should kamala harris run again? >> if she wants to. >> do you think she could win? >> i believe she can. donald trump and barack obama in politics, they do something different to the electorate every time they run. >> you are saying donald trump was unbeatable? >> joe biden figured out how to. but, you know, kamala harris could have used more time and other things. but in the end of the day, trump won't be on the ballot, he is a lame duck now. >> jesse: against my better judgment, i'm going to jessica as a democrat to get you out of the way quickly. this is your party. how do you think the fight for

leadership is going? >> jessica: there was more to the forum, obviously, than that question -- >> jesse: that was it. >> jessica: it was one question and everyone went home. i think you could obviously make a case. there are some voters out there who do not want to vote for a woman, some voters who don't want to vote for a person of color peered generally speaking, that wasn't the cause of our loss, for sure. if biden had been the candidate, i'm pretty sure trump would have won over 400 electoral votes, so we are putting that to the side. what i found most interesting, and this is in line with bernie sanders orthodoxy, one of his senior advisors was up there, and he was not playing around with an entity politics at all. he would only mack was the only one who would commit to creatinm caucus or more trans people cute. i am frustrated we use identity to break ourselves apart. i think that is the right message for the moment, the bernie sanders always had trouble building a coalition

beyond white voters. black voters in particular were never into him in 2016 or 2020 but i do think that injecting that kind of thinking into whatever the next stage of the doc, martin o'malley, ben winkler, when they elect someone else, is going to be important i hope consultants who work with progressive candidates that have a populace working-class message bernie are taking seriously. >> jesse: jeanine? >> judge jeanine: well, i have to respond to something that jaime harrison just said when he talked about kamala in that sound. he said kamala could have used more time. suggesting that if she had more time, she might have won. she had four years, jaime for years to make herself a star. look, i'm tired of all of the arguments that they are using. they have to rationalize in their own minds why they lost, and they come up with these universal excuses, without identifying what it is that the

american people want. we want to good economy. we want the border closed. we want crime to be, you know, criminals to be locked up after they are arrested if they can't make bail or if there from another country. they lied to us about a radical agenda, and they are lazy and inarticulate, okay? that is who kamala was, anyway. so stop with the generalizations. there is a million reasons why. and they are so smart, they should analyze them. >> jesse: katie, we sometimes joke about i have advice for the democratic party. don't tell them advice. do you think that the country and the party system is healthier when you have two competent parties or do you enjoy the democrats suffering for long periods of time? >> katie: i think it is fun to watch them having to wait around and the problems they created for themselves. in this forum, emma krantz want to find a future for themselves, they cannot do it in a place like washington, d.c., with msnbc and with jonathan

capehart, who after everyone raise their hands, you answered the right way, "the washington post." they have to get out of the d.c. bubble with the media which is the most far left radical fashion that we have in this entire country. they are concentrated there. but the bigger problem for democrats is for the past decade, really started under obama, they have only built their entire strategy on divisiveness and saying if you want criminals off the street you are a racist wants to put minorities in jail. if you want closed borders, you are a racist who doesn't want people to come in, you are xenophobic. they are going to have to come up with an entirely different argument structure because they completely relied on identity politics to win. it failed in 2016 with hillary clinton. it failed again with kamala harris. and while they are preaching all of this to the contrary, they are the ones who put joe biden in the white house, the white guy, so they have to get out to the steel mills, to the places

they lost with the minorities, the union voters. they can't be doing these seminars in the heart of d.c. and expecting to get some kind of different result. >> jesse: greg, what if the democrats just learned how to say no? know you can't come in the country, know you can't play women sports. >> greg: i want them to keep going. they are great nationally but we have to remember the fact our cities are still run by liv. we have to remind the dems they didn't lose to a garden-variety republican like a jeb bush or a mitt romney. they lost to what they deemed was the worst ever human being in recent history. so think about that. with your messaging and your personnel, you lost the popular vote, the electoral vote, house, the senate, to adolf hitler squared. what does that say about you and your strategy and your values and your messaging if you are less popular than genghis khan with syphilis? the fact is you are still doubling down. embracing with the world

repudiated. and you are right, inevitably diet identity politics results in cannibalism. you run out of external targets. you chase out people in the party who wise up. and so you have to turn on each other because ultimately everybody becomes a party of one when it comes to wokeism. so in a weird way i think what you are seeing, i don't know if they will wake up to it but they are like the classroom bully who wonders why no one came to his birthday party. when they said that they would. you know, now the bully is sitting by himself with an untouched ice cream cake. because the bully created the largest preference falsification in political history. no one wanted to tell them that they suck, so they thought they were ascended. they thought they were loved. they thought they were admired. and people just nodded along because they didn't want to talk to you. everybody around you lied to y you. because you are an insuff insufferable -- >> jesse: no one is coming to

your party. >> judge jeanine: i will eat the cake. >> jesse: we will cut it with a sword. ahead, grab the maple syrup and the avocados. president trump is about to unleash the first tariff war. ♪ ♪ total beets, america's best-selling beets brand, is available at walmart. total beets blood pressure support soft chews contain a key ingredient clinically shown to deliver two times better blood pressure support. take control of your health. head to walmart and get total beets blood pressure support soft chews today.

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three of them. and in one case they are sending massive amounts of fentanyl. why should we be subsidizing canada? wonderful, i have so many friends in canada, it is a great place. >> katie: but "o canada" the 51st governor is following he will fight the tariffs. >> if the president does choose to implement any tariffs against canada, we are ready with a response. a purposeful, forceful, but reasonable, immediate response. it's not what we want. but if he moves forward, we will also act. >> katie: so jesse, the sled dogs ready to defend canada? the tariffs? >> jesse: no. and they don't have to if they just become a state. we can drop the trade war right now. so canada plays games with theory. they invoke all of these barriers so people who want to sell milk and cream and cheese into canada, they can't do it because they are violating the spirit of the usmca. they are also dumping all of

this cheap lumber into our country. they subsidized their timber industry and come down and undercut our timber industry here. mexico is playing dirty with corn. they import all of our corn and import it from us, they love tortillas, tacos, it's in everything down there and they say it will not take your corn if it is, what is it, gmo, genetically modified corn, and we are losing a lot of money. they are also sneaking in chinese cars. the chinese are brilliant. they are just scenting parts into mexico and then they are just assembling in plants made in mexico and they can sell them here. that has got to stop. >> katie: so judge this is not just about the economics which the president laid out. he also wants more cooperation on fentanyl and tariffs coming across the northern and southern borders. >> judge jeanine: to be honest with you, 25% tariff isn't enough for the harm that has been caused by canada and mexico. by the open borders. and to be honest with you, they

overrun borders and the crime and the fentanyl and the deaths, when it would be very easy for them to control the border. unfortunately you've got the cartels that are running the southern border. they are literally -- there is -- what is it -- rifle cover for the cartels to be able to come across to the united states. and it is stunning that they are able to get away with this, so now the cartels are foreign terrorist organization, we can affect their money, but we really have to get mexico to pay up for what they have done, and canada, as well, for not protecting the border. we are trying to protect it, and they are not doing anything. the truth is that fentanyl is coming from china. it is being manufactured and imprinted in mexico. the money laundering is going down there. and they are just pushing it into the united states. of the tariffs are more than just about tariffs.

they are about our way of life and protecting americans. >> katie: and greg this is a president who believes in tariffs to get certain policies changed towards the u.s. but he also believes in getting rid of the income tax for americans and making the country richer through tariffs, so there are lots of strategies -- >> greg: i love that strategy. i'm not sure if it is possible but i did my homework, that is the thing about trump, he forces you out of your comfort zone of ignorance. my default system being as a libertarian republican for free-trade i am against tariffs, even though i really never read about them. it is just something i believed in because as a free-market libertarian tariffs are bad, government, don't mess with the prices. let the prices set themselves. but i understand how tariffs can be used as a tool at your disposal. especially when i go back to the a block, the realignment that trump is doing with his prism of america first, tariffs are not

off the table, they are but a tool to realign america as the priority, and it is no bluffs given, i may do this, i may not, starting tomorrow. 10% on china is going to be a tough one because we buy a lot of crap from china, emphasis on crap, but if you have a problem with that we have -- it has been going down, the deaths from fentanyl, but over 100,000 people died from fentanyl. no tariff is small enough to deal with that. it has affected everybody's lives. it comes from russia -- china, we have to do something about that. >> katie: jessica, we have about a minute until this new briefing at ntsb but your thoughts about the tariffs? >> jessica: tariffs are attacks on the consumer. president trump admitted as much when he was talking to reporters today, where he said that some times passed on to the consumer, don't worry, just a short-term disruption, and donald trump promised all of his voters everything would be

better when he got into office. so tuesday went by, wednesday thursday friday, the weekend, maybe take a break, he has to golf a lot, monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday again and now we're talking about way 5% tariffs on some of our biggest trading partners. eggs, hot topics, bird flu, ton of eggs from canada, we talk about the cheap lumber flooding the zone. if we are going to deal with our housing problem, got to get more supply up. he's taxing you. >> judge jeanine: fox news alert. the ntsb is now giving an update on the deadly plane crash in d.c. let's listen in. >> we will be briefing tonight where we are at in the investigation with regard to the crg accident with the sikorsky helicopter. let me just start with as usual, our hearts go out to all of the families of the victims. in fact, i just spent the last several hours with them before

we came here, and i apologize that we had to move this back, but they are one of our primary concerns, along with making sure we get factual information out. they are having a very -- it's a hard time for them, obviously. and we want to do everything we can to make sure they get the most accurate information and factual, and has always been at the core of the ntsb mission, our job is to come out with a probable cause, but then more importantly make recommendations so that this type of tragedy never occurs again. so today, yesterday, you saw the chairman, myself, and all of the board members here. i just want to let you know, they are still actively involved with at this. we are just wrong to make sure we are dividing and conquering. the chairman and i have had multiple conversations today. she has helped out a lot making sure we are getting the investigative needs we have. she is at the command post right now working with some of our

people. i'd like to start by just thanking the first responders. when this first happened, a unified command was set up, and we had a lot of important people that came and worked with us. in virginia, the fairfax county fire and rescue. fairfax county fire and rescue department. arlington county fire and rescue. arlington county emergency management. arlington police. alexandria city fire. alexandria police. virginia state police. the ncr incident management team. the virginia department of emergency management. the virginia department of transportation. the virginia senator warner's office. fire and rescue team. police. a special us shout out to everyone of them. they have been amazing helping and working with us, we truly appreciate it. on one with d.c. fire and rescue. just extraordinary taking the lead. prince william fire and rescue.

in maryland, the montgomery fire and rescue. prince georges fire and rescue. charles county fire and rescue. baltimore fire. baltimore police. maryland state police. maryland national resource police. mtb, dcf d, from the federal side, the u.s. coast guard, u.s. army, u.s. air force, fbi, secret service, customs and border patrol, park police, dod, naval district washington, american medical response, and yes the u.s. department of labor, all of those have been amazing partners and are one of the reasons why that this investigation continues to progress the way we want it to. as i said, we did family briefings last night and today there are over 100 family members that are now in the area receiving briefings, and as part of a legislative requirement, receiving family assistance. they have been briefed by the medical examiner, the fire

chief, ntsb chairman, and myself, along with the family assistance unit from tsa airlines peered in regard to ntsb staff, all staff are now on scene. that have been requested. i want to point out one specific staff member, because we are doing a joint ntsb and dod investigation. the ntsb actually has a black hawk certified pilot on staff, on our personal staff, based out of alaska. once we realized the dynamics and intricacies of the black hawk, we have brought that member in. they are on scene now, providing direct technical assistance. that does not mean that the dod is not working and helping with us, but in order to maintain our independence, we have our own black hawk certified pilot in the working group for helicopters. regarding salvage at this point, the navy supervisor of salvage

is conducting salvage operations at the current time. barges are in route from virginia beach, and we anticipate them to be on scene early tomorrow morning. after their arrival they will be secured and located and significant salvage operation will continue. they are ongoing right now, but this will be the main. it is being done in conjunction with the d.c. medical examiner's office in order to make sure simultaneously that any additional victims are recovered and immediately turned over to them for identification and return to their families. soups out, which is the supervisor of salvage, is also conducting a debris mapping right now. this will help in our postaccident analysis of how the machine actually reacted to the incident. it will also help us with

understanding some of the airworthiness and crashworthiness and human factors. we have right now two distinct debris fields. one that houses the sikorsky. which is in comparison to the cr jay, a little bit smaller. the cr jay is in another distinct area, and we consider t a little bit larger. the good news is based upon the initial mapping, while there are some small aspects of that debris field, there are large chunks that will be easily recoverable and it will aid in the investigation when we bring it in to the secured facility that will be located here. that will help us in the close proximity to be able to review and evaluate. yesterday we outlined for you a number of groups that have been stood up. a few of them in particular i want to call out, although everyone of them had been working very hard for your

edification, the atc group air traffic control has been conducting interviews to today. they are ongoing tonight. they will be ongoing for probably the next few days. we have had full cooperation in getting the witnesses that we need to to gain those interviews. we will then take that information and match it to other data that we are receiving and if necessary conduct follow-up interviews at a later time. our operations group now has on-site and exemplary airplane, similar to the crj 700. it is on a hard stand here. they will use that to evaluate cockpit consideration seating, things like that, so whenever the salvage comes up, we are able to use an exemplary aircraft to match it against examples, may be where switches are, navigational aids, electronics, almost the exact same configuration as the

incident aircraft. i want to clarify one thing. there has been a lot of questions and discussion regarding manifest. let me make this very clear. the ntsb will not and has not released a manifest. we have not in our history, not in our past. we will not be in this accident. in fact, there are specific congressional language that when whatever is in our possession, it is not available to the freedom of information act. it will not be included in our report. we will not be putting any names of any of the victims. any release of that information will come from other individuals or groups. regarding the recorders. as many of you saw last night, we recovered from the crj two separate recorders.

one was in fdf are, that is a flight data recorder. that was actually in what we consider good condition. as part of that process, it was soaked in alcohol overnight. it was then opened today, and we have a high level of confidence that we will be able to get a full download in the very near future. now once we do have that download, we will not be releasing immediately the information regarding it. we will have to go through, correct the data sets, make sure they are synchronized. this has approximately -- possibly 2,000 data points. so all of that has to be synchronized and looked at. it is a very laborious practice. it takes a lot of time.

regarding the crj's cockpit voice recorder. once it was recovered and opened, we found that it had water intrusion. that is not uncommon. it is not an unusual event for us to receive a recorder with water intrusion. we deal with that all the time. our recorder division is one of the best in the country, in the world, actually peered we have recorders sent everywhere. so there is a step. the cvr was soaked overnight in ionized water. at which point the team put the cdr into a vacuum oven in order to extract moisture. they are still checking electrical connections to determine if they are ready to try a download. it is one step of many steps that we will take in order to get that data. but we have a very high level of confidence that we will have it, we just have to work through a number of steps.

lastly on recorders, the sikorsky where the crj has two separate recorders, the sikorsky has a combined cockpit voice recorder and digital flight data recorder. it is in one box. i can report to you now we have recovered the sikorsky blac black box. it is safely at the ntsb headquarters. it will begin an evaluation just as the other two recorders did last night to determine when and how to take action. i can tell you from a visual inspection, we saw no exterior damage that would indicate that it was compromised at this time. so we have a high level of confidence that we will be able to have a full extraction from that, as well. those are some of the significant updates we have right now. obviously we will be doing some more. in the essence of time and making sure our team gets back,

i think we're going to be able to take maybe four or five questions. i will call on you, and i will repeat it. so we will try to play that game a little bit please. right here. your name and outlet, please. >> reporter: [indistinct] captain sully sullivan, on the hudson, he has said we absolutely should be reviewing. [indistinct] a complex mix of traffic. is he right? is there time for permanent. [indistinct] to keep airspace safe and separate the military and civilian? >> so the question for those watching, is at this time now for us to possibly deconflict or change some of the airspace where military aircraft operate with commercial aircraft? i can't give you a definitive answer on that. what i can say is in this

incident, it should not have happened. we have an aviation, what is called a swiss cheese approach. wherein if something fails, a backup should catch it. multiple layers of redundancy. it has been a very long time since we have had a major aviation incident in the united states, and it's the reason why it is one of the safest forms of transportation in the country. but the only way they do that is by investigating what happens now and then making recommendations in the future. again, the ntsb has made, done 100,000 aviation investigations. we have issued 15,000 recommendations, over 84% have been accepted. once this investigative report comes out, we will be advocating, probably for years, for changes that need to be made, but we will not speculate on what needs to be done until we have the facts. hey, i will call on people. >> reporter: [indistinct]

can you talk about how long you think it will take to recover the debris on the air site? and the agency instinct indistinct. >> i think that was three or four together. how long the debris will take, how long we will be on-site and if we have any information off of the air traffic control ta tapes. the debris, we are hopeful once the mapping is done, it will be done and what i will call quick order. i can make no guarantees of that because first and foremost we need to make every effort to make sure we are recovering everyone of the people that perished in this accident. we will have some cranes that will be coming up, and once that happens, you will see a lot more activity and we will be moving that in. but i don't want to give you a definitive time. i would say it will start in earnest probably on sunday and will go through next week, and some of that is contingent on weather and other things. regarding the tapes, we have received a lot of different information on atc, so i'm goind

preemptive, off-the-shelf software programs are not always as accurate as the data we specifically get from a vsb, from the black boxes, all of that are factors that come into our investigation. so we will not speculate about atc tapes that you may have heard and seen online or snippets. we are getting the full cooperation that we need to be able to make an accurate assessment and to make sure what we are seeing is factual and that it will help and aid in the entire investigation. >> reporter: is there anything glaring in the videos we have all seen that would tell you that the pilot and the black hawk helicopter made a mistake? >> the question is based on the videos, have we drawn any conclusions? we have not. we know that there was a significant incident in which the two aircraft collided.

pretty significant fireball. if you will recall, even after the first day, we only had maybe one or two grainy images coming out. we are seeing more and more at this time so we are still collecting data but we are not going to opine until we see a lot of other things. a couple more. yes, sir. >> reporter: cnn. how critical is it to interview the controller in the tower and how concerning is it to you that the voice that controller is two positions at the same time? >> so the question was how critical of the air traffic control interviews and basically staffing. so, air traffic control interviews are critical. that is the reason why there is a process in place. that began immediately after the accident. it was preservation of that evidence. it was immediately taking down notes, getting logs, all of that information. we will go back and look at any air traffic controller that was involved in this peer we will go back and look at their past

probably 72 hours, even two or three weeks, look at their training, their hiring, everything. what they probably ate that day. but it is not one point that tells us everything. it is layered into a lot of other information that is very critical. regarding staffing, the faa has had a very robust plan in looking at staffing. obviously, we will be looking at not only staffing that day, progressively staffing. how many people? what job functions were they doing? were they being combined? where they not? what was the weather outside? what was the number of landings? i recall back during covid, one runway was being used. runway one, that was the only one. 33, as traffic came back, started being opened up. we will look at changes in traffic patterns, construction at the airport, all of that. it all paints a very big picture. >> reporter: [indistinct]

having that interview with air traffic controllers. >> the question is have we interviewed air traffic controllers? yes. i think i started with -- >> reporter: [indistinct] >> i'm sorry, clarification, was it an air traffic controller that was working at the time of the accident? yes. yes. now i am not going to speculate -- nope, sorry. i'm not going to speculate. the next question is was there one, two, three -- i don't have the answer to that right now. i know the controller that was working at the time has been interviewed and hit his interviews are ongoing throat te day. yes, ma'am, last one. >> reporter: has president trump reached out to you personally or anywhere else at the white house, to you or anyone else -- [indistinct] >> the question is have anyone from the white house reach out to me or other board members? i won't speak for other board members. i know that the charity briefing yesterday. it was probably discussed and gave some information. i have not received any contact.

i'm going to go back to something we talked about earlier. the ntsb is an independent, bipartisan board. 58 years. as the gold standard. our job is to find the facts. but more importantly, our job is to make sure this tragedy doesn't happen again, regardless of what anyone may be saying, our investigators never want to see this happen again, and i never want to have to go back and brief another set of family like that. >> judge jeanine: all right. we just flared one of the members of the national transportation safety board who has indicated that, number one, they found the black box on the sikorsky, on the helicopter that apparently they didn't have earlier and that they are now in the process of interviewing the air traffic controllers who were working on the night that this happened. he talked a lot about debris patterns and a lot of other information making it very clear that there are a lot of nuances

to this investigation. and all of the people involved. i will take it around the table. your take? >> jessica: i always appreciate transparency and he was out there. i feel like there are basically the same number of questions that we had going into that press conference as we have coming out. but, i think it's a good thing that he is facing the public and, also, talking about how many different agencies have involved in this. you can understand the breadth and depth of the challenge ahead of them and hoping it's a quick conclusion. >> jesse: they have already interviewed the air traffic controller and said it's going to be such a thorough investigation. they are going to go back two to three weeks what did he eat? what was on his phone? what weighs watching on tv. who was he interacting with. that makes me feel better about this investigation. it's going to be very, very lore row. >> katie: when he first came out to the cameras, he talked about how they were late because they were meeting with a lot of the families and that it's nice to know that they are prioritizing

the human side of this as well as the investigation and he, again, reiterated that they are dedicated to making sure they can get the family as many answers as they can given that these type of investigations, especially with how complicated this is and all of the moving parts how long it will take. so it's good to know that the families are being prioritized. he also was very adamant that no names of the victims will be given out to the ntsb. they will not release the manifesto. online speculation who exactly was on the plane. he shot that down. good the families are at the forefront as well. >> judge jeanine: the interesting part of this is that they make it very clear that they will go back into the history of everyone who was involved in touching or being involved in this crash. side part, greg, there are still bodies in that frozen water. >> greg: i don't have much to add to this it's such an unusual

event that you have to figure out what's going on and you have the time and will power to do it this is about real safety. this isn't some kind of like fake safety where you talk about what it means to be safe from words or beliefs or pronouns. this is about real safety, people dying. >> judge jeanine: katy, one of the things i want to ask you is you flew out of reagan today or you left. >> katie: i fly out of reagan all the time and i was there this morning. >> judge jeanine: tell us about that. >> katie: you can see the rescue boats in the water. only one runway open. an eerie feeling among everybody working there and people going to catch their flights. it was much quieter, yesterday, when i was walking my dog, usually you hear the flights coming in and out of the airport. the ground stopped yesterday. that was a different change for people in the area to experience. but, yes, i mean, to be sitting there watching the boats knowing that there are people still

trapped in the river and what they went through is just absolutely horrific. when you go into the airport and a number of people who have watched this, lawmakers want answers, sean duffy, the new transportation secretary saying when you walk on to an airplane you have to be able to trust that you are going to get to your location safely. that's what you can do. people tell to you travel safe oh, thanks. you really don't have a lot of control offer that when you go on a plane. you have to be able to trust that the training and competence is there because it's a life and seth situation. >> judge jeanine: jet being on instrument rating and helicopter on visual rating. there is going to be a lot of talk about the ability to see oat night. anyway, thank you for joining us today. hopefully we will be getting more information over the weekend about what exactly caused this crash and why. thanks for joining us. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. multiple sources tell fox news fbi agents and employees acr