didn't get any response. >> jesse: john scott, think you so much. president trump has been briefed on that this deadly crash in northeast philadelphia by the transportation secretary, sean duffy. as we told you, there are six people dead. this was a pediatric patient that was being transported in a net ambulance jet. this is a very elite jet that is used to bring david ortiz all the way from the caribbean, all the way to boston. so this thing, if you need to get somewhere and this plane for a medical emergency, this is the way to go. it went up and immediately went down. there are lots of different theories about what happened but we are not ruling anything out and we will wait for a full investigation. our hearts and prayers go out to everybody on the plane and everyone in philly. >> sean: we begin this friday

night with a fox news alert. a small plane crashed into a mall and philadelphia, carrying six people according to the company that was operating the flight. forward members of the crew along with one pediatric patient and an escort onboard. jet rescue says at this time that they cannot confirm any survivors. this comes less than 48 hours after the deadly an air collision between a commercial flight and a blackhawk army helicopter left 67 dead near reagan national airport just outside of d.c. our very own alexis mcadams has the very latest tonight. as you can see the scene in philadelphia. >> this is going on right now. you can see the video. they're trying to figure this out in realtime but i just got off the phone with a fire official. the story is obviously why did this plane go down in the first place 30 seconds into the flight? but the visual they are telling me, the main story right now for the people on the ground are

these fires. he said at least six homes, we're talking about row homes in philadelphia right near the mall went up into flames. they were able to get people out of the row homes in the past hour or so. no reports of how many are dead at this point, they're asking people to stay away from the scene. we were tuning in a short time ago to try to hear some of the latest details from the mayor of philadelphia, she just asked for prayers as they try to figure this out on the ground. so really, the best information getting is the sources out here in philadelphia saying they had to evacuate. also it is interesting when you hear the sound from the neighbors because they are trying to figure what is going on. they said it felt like an earthquake, they heard a huge explosion and also they saw firecrackers popping up all over the place. that is because, i'm told by these crews, at least six cars were also on fire right near the mall there. this is a pretty wide street. so in terms of where this all happen, you can kind of see the cars coming and going and some

of the video is happening in realtime. they said it was actually a wide area, wider than some of the streets in north philly. so in terms of where went down, was right in the middle of the wide street and they also said there was a gas line that was ruptured. we're talking about all of that jet fuel that was on the plane, all of the cars that are down there that have the gas inside of those and then all of these other things that could have gone up in flames and exploded so that is why they believe at this time, sean, that that is why the explosions were so bad. so as they try to get the fires under control, they ask people to pleas stay out of the area. we know that the transportation secretary has had a wild week. 40 hours, to plane crashes. he is trying to piece it together. he just got off the phone with president donald trump as they try to piece this together. we also know, which if you can take much more heartbreak after what's been going on, we just found out that it was a child, someone under the age of 18, they believe pretty young who was on that medical plane who was either coming or going from

a procedure in the philadelphia area. he was with a chaperone and then we know that at least six people in total were on the plane, that's we know so far. >> sean: very chilling and scary. president trump, by the way, has just issued a statement, so said to see the plane go down and philadelphia pennsylvania. more innocent souls lost. our people are totally engaged. first responders are being given credit for doing a great job, more to follow, god bless you all. just released on truth moments ago by president trump. anyway, alexis, thank you. we are now joined with reaction from washington, our very own kevin cork is following this very closely. kevin, what is the latest? >> very interesting. the president, as you pointed out, just making comments social. we also follow the repost over on x in case there is a different tone or flavored to what he had to say.

obviously expressing the feelings of millions of americans who hear a story like this. you heard alexis there talk about a minor involved in this particular circumstance. another tragedy on the heels of something that was absolutely awful. as we learned more but the victims of the crash in washington, many of them obviously young athletes as well. i have been struck tonight, sean, but the transportation secretary sean duffy. i know he is a former colleague but you have to give credit where credit is due, he has been incredible he active on social media, talking about breathing the president and governor shapiro from faa headquarters earlier in the night. he expressed everything that we knew at the time. a learjet crashed around 7:30, to parting from northeast philadelphia airport. i'm very familiar with the area. i have family in that area. this is a devastating circumstance and in particular on the heels of what has happened here and washington. and yet, thankfully we do have a government in this circumstance

that is active, transparent and giving us the very latest. sean? >> sean: kevon will be getting back to you throughout the night. we do have a statement from the faa. a learjet crashed around 6:30 p.m. eastern time. after departing northeast, they said at the time that there were two people onboard. they are headed on route to springfield branson national airport missouri. the faa will investigate and there is a lot of questions, more questions at this hour then we have answers. joining us now with reaction, the former faa safety team representative, kyle bailey. kyle, think you for joining us as well is the former investigator, alan with us. dr. alan deal, let me start with you. if you look at this video very closely, and i spoke to many pilot friends of mine since this story broke, we all seem to come

to the same conclusion. there was a feeling that there might have been a fire on board that obviously power to the engines was lost and therefore resulting in coming down, what looked like a missile headed towards a target. >> yes, sean. that aircraft clearly was out of control. i have never flown one of those, i have piloted earlier versions of that aircraft and they are very -- they're quite sensitive. they're almost like a fire plane. as a matter of fact the recently evolved from a swiss design fighter plane. so you've got to be on your game to fly those and to look like that one was totally out of control, sean. >> sean: and kyle, it's interesting saying that because the pilot friends that i know that fly jets characterize those as a sports car in the air.

in other words, that it just takes off like a rocket ship and it takes a lot of skill and there is a certain type of pilot that wants to fly that plane but it is very than say your average private commuter jet that people might have. correct? >> that is exactly right. you have to be ahead of that airplane at all times or it will take control of you. that plane was doing in excess of 10,000 feet per minute rate of descent. and it didn't even make it to 2000 feet after takeoff. right after takeoff the controller was asking, calling for the airplane to respond. there was no response by the flight crew. there was no communication. the control room was a little bit stumped in trying to make contact with the airplane. and that tells me that the pilot was completely consumed with whatever was going on. and from that rate of dissent

and from that airplane coming down like a missile, it looked like it could have potentially been at full power. it was just coming down there at a rate that was really unbelievable. so from taking off for a flight of the duration where it was going, there was probably very closely a fully loaded with fuel so that huge fireball that we saw is the result of a large quantity of jet fuel. and the big almost, for a lack of better term, nuclear explosion is probably simply the jet fuel reflecting off that cloud-based. that's why looks a little bit strange. but there is no doubt that the plane was 100% out of control and there was probably nothing that pilot could have done. not even a 10-second mayday came out of the radio back the control tower. >> sean: i heard this is the same audio you heard from air traffic control. and it's like this plane all of a sudden went missing and there was no response from the

cockpit. but again, let's go back to the video. dr. deal, do you see as this is making that missile like dissent, do you see flames? do you believe that this was on fire on its way down? that might raise the question about oxygen being onboard the flight with a young person. >> i guess that is always a possibility. you're talking about a cabin fire now an option with a lack of containment. i suppose that's possible. clearly the recorders are going to tell the story. one thing i would mention to any philadelphia viewers, if you find part of an airplane in your backyard, do not touch it, call the police or the faa or the ntsb. one thing they will try to do is establish weather something came off the aircraft we can aileron retail or horizontal stabilizer.

boy that is impressive, that terrible nuclear explosion like a fire on the feed there. but i can remember an earlier version was flown by a famous mexican-american singer, she was a passenger. she crashed in mexico and it came straight down and it appeared to be a stabilizer, the mexican authorities thought the tail had failed. so we need to make sure we have got all of the physical evidence and because this aircraft burned , these ntsb investigators are going to have a real challenge of reconstructing this. but again, those two black boxes should have survived and will help tell us the story. >> sean: kyle, let me go to you if i can. based on the trajectory and the speed of this jet headed towards that mall in philadelphia and two homes were also hit

according to reports. but based on the trajectory and the speed of that aircraft, would it be a pretty good theory to believe that it was an engine failure, no control from the pilots at all? >> based on the trajectory sean, no. -- >> sean: hang on kyle, let me go to you first. is that an indication to you of a stalled engine? >> no, that is the result of not a slow smoldering fire but a fire -- and explosion that was very rapid and probably almost immediate what we are seeing. this was not the result of a slow burning fire that partially crippled the airplane. this was something that happened extremely quickly. which completely lost control of the airplane. and it is just incredible that rate of dissent. it is almost like nothing i have

seen before. on a jet aircraft of that size. just the way that was coming down at that speed is just simply incredible. >> sean: let's stay with the theory here of weather or not this could be a possible engine stall. especially knowing learjet are little different and assuming they would have to manually hit the autopilot that would have to be engaged. and we're looking at a speed of -- it headed down towards earth at about -- it was at 1600 feet of altitude, dropping off at 2400 feet per minute according to dissent estimates. allen, that is dropping like a rocket. >> absolutely. and the airplane is extreme a powerful. i can fly on one engine. the last thing the pilots will do is shove the nose over. they try to head back to the nearest airport to deal with

shutting down the engine that was on fire. i don't think we -- this doesn't look like an engine failure situation to me. unless there was a catastrophic engine failure where it exploded >> sean: i'm not talking necessarily about an engine failure as much as an engine stall. knowing the unique characteristics and qualities of a learjet. is that a possibility? if they didn't manually hit the autopilot? amassing a very specific question. >> i think it's unlikely, sean. this aircraft has very powerful engines and an engine stall or failure would not normally produce this kind of ballistic fall. it is much more similar to the crash in mexico that i described where it came down almost at the speed of sound. they were at much higher altitudes when they nosed down

over there. but this plane came down very quickly. and like i said, something came off the airplane like a tail surface or a rudder, that is one thing that they will be looking for and asking the public's help with if they cannot find it in the wreckage. >> sean: again, 204. >> speaker-10: about 1600 feet before dropping 2400 feet per minute is beyond a mystery to me and most of my pilot friends. thank you both. we now go to an aviation attorney. cell, thank you for being with us. let's first talk about what we're seeing on the video. we will keep playing this and that is the actual missile like dissent which we just showed on the screen and then the explosion when it hits. what can you glean from that video?

>> i think i have watch that video over and over may be about 100 times already know. and the one thing that really stands out is the angle of dissent. that thing is coming down, like you said, it is a rocket. i first thought that may have been what hit philadelphia into he realized it was an airplane. airplanes, it's hard to do that with an airplane. as short and stubby as the wings are on a learjet 55, you still have the ability to move forward with a plane under most circumstances. the word catastrophic has been bandied about all night, that had to happen onboard. weather it was catastrophic engine failure in both engines, in which case you would have expected that there would have been a made a call by listening to the tape of the tower, there was no made a call. or some kind of fuel exhaustion or fuel contamination that took both engines out at the same time.

and then we get into the type of aircraft it is, it is a medevac aircraft which has oxygen onboard. it is my understanding that the police had found at least one oxygen tank far away from the scene that could indicate that it came out of the aircraft while the aircraft was descending from 1600 feet. it was not that high. >> sean: dropping 2400 feet per minute as you said, shooting down to earth like a rocket. you can almost see it is traveling at this high speed, full throttle, nose down. you see a possibility of may be a stall? and with that result in the trajectory or no? >> i agree with the other gas, i think that is highly unlikely. i think there is something much more going on before the plane starts going down. it really is out of control. you can see something venting out of the plane as it comes down if you look closely. and then finally when it hits

the ground and makes that huge explosion, why? because it is full of fuel. it it is starting its trip back to springfield. so there's a lot of fuel onboard, homes 1000 gallons and that is going to hit and any spark is going to create an explosion, the likes of what we saw. and yes there was low cloud cover so that's going to make the explosion look even worse. but frankly, you are looking at the amount of fires in the area, that is from the airplane hitting the ground so hard that it's fuel is spraying out and hitting the mall, hitting the cars that are in the vicinity there. there were a think three houses also that were on fire. >> sean: so would you say the more likely scenario is that the airplane was in a nose down altitude with full throttles based on that velocity? and how could that happen? what scenario would cause that?

>> well, not necessarily full throttle because if it is starting to fall it is going to start picking up speed just from gravity. but what could because it is a whole host of things. and as i went through my usual list of trying to figure out what could have happened normally, what we normally see when we have an accident like this? there are so many things i could not check off yet because we don't know enough quite yet. we have to get more information. it is going to be hard in this case because the aircraft itself is consumed in the fire. the ntsb is going to have their work cut out for them. one of the first things they will do is try to find the footprint of the airplane. try to find out where the left wing is, where the right wing is. where are all of these things landing? and where they land can sometimes help them determine how fast it was coming down and how much force was used prior to the dissent that we saw. >> sean: i want to give an

update. the mayor of philly said that they don't have any information on the fatalities. the mayor says everyone should stay away from the scene. she confirmed what we all know, that we lost an aircraft. we don't have any further information. if you see debris, call 911. which i think is good advice. as i mentioned, president trump has commented publicly untruth social. quote, so sad to see the plane go down in philadelphia, pennsylvania. more innocent souls were lost. our people are totally engaged. first responders are already being given credit for doing a great job, more to follow, god bless you all. it is sad to see something like that. >> yes, it really is. i'm glad to see president trump is out in front of this. and secretary duffy. it is good to get the higher-ups out there. be the point people. give people some confidence in

the aviation system. with a couple days we have just had, it's a little hard to do that. but aviation is safe. these two incidents were not related. these two incidents are very different. and we get to the bottom of it, we will. that's what makes aviation so safe. we have the ntsb, that would give us probable cause at some point when they can and when they are sure of all of the evidence. and that will make aviation even safer. we have, as aviators, we have an obligation to do that for the people after us. >> sean: we really do. we really appreciate your time is always, think you for being with us. here now with more, local 22, philadelphia firefighters union president. first of all, we cannot put enough emphasis on moments like this. where we really appreciate all that first responders, firefighters, policeman, law enforcement officials do and they don't get enough credit.

and these are the moments that you prepare for and that you are willing to put your life on the line, you and all of the people that you work with. our prayers are with all of you tonight. can you give us an idea of the status of what is going on on the ground? my understanding is that homes have been impacted. it is right next to a mall. i know we don't have any casualty count but are you getting this under control and contained? >> shawn, from what i'm hearing from our members and i have a radio, they did an outstanding job when they initially arrived. or the initial report, they had multiple drones on fire and i imagine was from the jet fuel. and in our business, when ever there is a flammable liquid involved, it makes our job 10 times harder. and if that plane would have struck a little more south, in philadelphia we have wrote type dwellings, 6070 in a row and they are about 70, 80 years old.

these members, i can't believe how they did it but they stopped this fire from extending down those rows of dwellings and got everyone evacuated. like i said, if that were to hit somewhere mid-block, we could potentially have lost the -- three blocks of dwellings with people trapped and et cetera. and the commanders that were working, i know them personally. they are some of our most experienced and best in their work you will as a cucumber and combine their forces and got it under control he rapidly. >> sean: yes. a fire like this is even more challenging when you consider jet fuel in particular which is so flammable. tell us about the preparations and special equipment you may need any scenario like this unfolding. >> listen, in this case, sean, this is a down and dirty fight because you have lives in the balance and technically with

class b fires like this, you need some type of foam. work can do it but you have to work extra hard to douse the flames. and i couldn't be more proud of our members. it is tragic that this could have been a lot worse. >> sean: yes. and i understand that the governor and the mayor and sean duffy and everyone involved in the president himself has reacted and responded. it seems like an all-hands-on-deck moment. i assume that any neighboring fire companies are jumping on board as well? how far away have they been coming from? >> nrk. >> of the largest in the country so we have 60 engines, 30 ladders and over 60 met at units. something of this nature will be handled in-house. but i have had multiple jurisdictions union presidents reach out to me. but like i said, we have this

under control pretty quickly. you are seeing a lot of smoke and fire later on as things were burning which they put secondary because there is no life hazards. and as you noted, they put out a lot of smoke because of the tires and such fourth. >> sean: listen, "think firefighters and first responders get enough credit for what you guys do on a daily basis. these are the days that you put your lives on the line for your fellow countrymen, for your community and you deserve a lot of credit and i want to thank you all for the hard work you put into night in a very volatile, dangerous scenario, thank you sir. >> much appreciated. >> sean: we preach a way you all do. all right, we go back to alexis mcadams, she is some breaking news now. alexis, what is the latest? >> sean, i just got off the phone with the people who are with jet rescue. we know that is the group that was operating this air ambulance it was a learjet 55.

i'm told by the representative with jet rescue some pretty upsetting details. he said six people on board did not make it. a medical jet that had a young girl on the plane, she was picked up today in philly after she had life-saving life-saving treatments at a hospital there. they've been working with a group who had been sponsoring her and her family to pay for all of her medical bills because she had been sick for quite some time. she had just finished those life-saving treatments in philly. she get on a plane with her mom and this crew and the plane goes down. so take that in and think about it. >> sean: how old? >> they won't say how old. they told me she is under 18 years old. what i do know is that the plane left in miami this morning because that's where this group is based out of. they picked her and her mother up in philly and then, this is the new detail we are just learning from this group, jet rescue, they said they were

heading back to tijuana, mexico. they said everyone on board is from mexico. they were mexican nationals, including the crew that were sponsored for this little girl have the life-saving treatment. in terms of why it was going out to missouri, i'm not exactly sure. but i'm told by this group that it was supposed to end at tijuana airport. but she had been coming back and forth and getting these medical treatments there, they have some of the best doctors. and in terms of why it went down, they didn't have any information on that. i asked if the crew was experienced, they didn't give any information on that. they are not able to say too much at this time. they did say there will be a statement coming at some point from the charitable organization that was sponsoring her before this plane went down. but it is just a sad story. >> sean: and my understanding heading back to branson, missouri,, alexis mcadams, will check back in with you throat the night, we appreciate your time tonight.

joining us now on the phone, my friend and colleague, the fox report anchor john scott is with us. john, over the years we have had you on when incidents like this happen with airplanes and on my radio show. and based on what had happened at reagan national, when you look at the speed and the trajectory of this crash and knowing what you know about these jets, i happen to know a lot about them, i have friends were pilots, it is a little bit different than your average computer private jet. inasmuch as it is described by pilots as a sports car in the air. what do you see with that speed and trajectory? >> right, it is a very fast and capable airplane. to me, this looks like a loss of control accident. and the question is what caused the loss of control?

i happened to be driving through philadelphia tonight at around the time this plane went down. and there is a very low cloud cover. when i heard the transmission from air traffic control from the tower, giving the pilot directions, he was supposed to take off on runway to four and make a climbing right turn to 290 which is basically northwest that impact sight is back to the east. so it seems to me that they got lost all most as soon as they got up in the clouds which would have been 100 feet off the ground or less. >> sean: but they never responded, john. i listen to the same tape you listened to, they never responded. and the control tower kept reaching out and trying to make contact and there was no contact. and this is the end result. obviously something happened here. i had some guess that said they

didn't think it could be a possible stall. i had pilot friends of mine that you fly jets and they do suspect that it might be a stall based on on the speed, there trajectory. it did reach an altar to do about 1600 feet and then dropped off at about 2400 feet per minute and that dissent, you see it is like a rocket ship headed straight down to earth. remeteorite. >> exactly. one of your previous guests said that they will be looking for pieces that might have come off the airplane and i wonder about that. but it might be something as simple as -- i don't know whether this was this jet was equipped with a glass cockpit or if it had the analog instruments back the one that we call steam gages which are older and more traditional. but it could be something as simple as losing instrumentation and losing lighting on the

control panel. because if you cannot read your instruments and he was in the clouds, if you cannot read or instruments it is just like what happened in the jfk jr. crash, is like what happened in the kobe bryant crash. you get in the clouds, you cannot tell up from down. and if he saw himself going too fast somehow, he may have pulled back on the yoke, broke something off the plane and a piece of the tail, a piece of the aileron and you've got an uncontrollable aircraft and it is going to dive to earth the way this one did. >> sean: if we go to the jfk crash, that was a case where he was not as instrument trained for a flight that he was taking and even his own instructor wanted to fly with him on that flight. and what people don't know about spatial disorientation with what happens is you are flying, you don't see the coast and you just see black and you have the

feeling that you are flying the aircraft straight and you have every five or of your being believing that. and once you are instrument trained, you were taught to ignore your own feelings and let the instruments override those feelings. that is something that has to be practiced at a very high level for a long time to be able to transcend that, right? >> right, exactly. and i'm not saying that the pilot failed here. i'm wondering whether the instruments failed, whether he had a total blackout of his instrument panel. because you have talked about the possibility of hitting the autopilot. at 1600 feet, i don't think they would have engaged the autopilot yet. they were still actively making the turns that the control tower have requested of them. so they would do that manually and then probably when they get up --

>> sean: if they even heard it. because they didn't respond. they didn't make that western turn that you talk about. they weren't even responding and the tower kept trying to reach out and correspond with the plane. one of the things -- and in the case of kobe bryant, if you recall, there was low cloud cover. this was the case of the helicopter. and every police helicopter had been grounded because of low cloud cover and they requested a visual flight. it is a two pilot chopper and yet they only had one pilot using it. and apparently they were missing some of the instrumentation that would have guided them around what ended up being the mountain that they crashed into r and that could have been, in my view, preventable. at least according to every

expert that i talked to. what will we look for -- the black box will certainly have communications with the control tower. but there is a lot of other information that will be in there that they will glean from this, assuming they find it. i understand that they did locate the black boxes based on the midair crash and earlier in the week, if they find the black boxes to this, what other information can be gleaned from it? >> they would get a lot from it. obviously they will have cockpit communications, obviously one of the pilots would have said something to the other about i've lost instruments or i've lost lighting, i don't know. the rules is ab eight, navigate and communicate and you do that in order. so if you have a problem, a first thing you do is fly the airplane. don't worry about talking to air car traffic control, that is the third thing on your list. so they clearly were having some kind of problem and they were trying to, i'm sure, figure it

out. it is just a question of what was it that happened? again, i think they somehow lost their instruments. i don't think the plane was on fire as it was coming down, i think that video that seems to show a glow is just because as was said," clouds being illuminated by the landing lights which are very powerful. >> sean: considering it was a medevac flight with a medical patient on board, there is the possibility that oxygen was on board as well. you have to consider that may have been a factor inside the fuselage. >> it could have been. but those systems are very robust. and again, i know, just from being in philadelphia tonight, that there were very low clouds. and they were in the soup within

seconds of taking off. and if they were not ready for that or if their instruments failed, i think that's a much more likely explanation. and if we find a piece of the plane separate from the impact site, i think that will tell a lot. >> sean: yes. by the way, we are waiting, the pennsylvania governor josh sue schapiro is expected to give remarks momentarily. will bring that to you. the governor of the commonwealth of pennsylvania saying that federal state partners are all on the scene. it is an active scene, asking the people in the commonwealth that if you do see debris, do not pick it up, do not touch it. call 911 immediately. there could be fatalities. john, as we look at this, i pray to god that some type of miracle happened here. at that speed, at that altitude, i don't see any chance of anybody surviving that, do you? >> no, not on the aircraft

certainly. i just hope the casualties on the ground or a minimum. and other people were burned but i hope there are not fatalities on the ground. that is the big question here. >> sean: we do know it was right near the mall and we do know that a couple of homes -- multiple homes were ablaze as a result of this crash near 55. and just to add to the news, i mentioned earlier that donald trump put out a statement so sad to see a plane go down in philadelphia, pennsylvania, more innocent souls lost and people were totally engaged. first responders are already being credited for doing a great job, more to follow, god bless you all. j.d. vance also posting that statement and putting it on x as well. a very sad situation, may god bless the victims and their

families. it is so sad to see this. john, as someone that is a pilot and you look at an aircraft like a learjet, viewed by a lot of pilots is basically a ferreri or a porsche or a sports car in the air, it is 204 knots, maximum speed, 1600 feet and then dropping like a rocket 2400 feet per minute in the dissent and you think about that possibility. it is hard to imagine. is almost a vertical drop if you are looking at it. it's not quite vertical but almost vertical. i don't recall ever seeing that before. to you? >> well, i have seen it. i can't think of a particular crash or case.

but i have seen that kind of thing. there was the plane crash which was a turboprop that killed the family of a country singer or a gospel singer, i have lost the name. but that happened on the montana wyoming border earlier this year. >> sean: was that a king error if i recall? where that was pole wellstone. >> it was a pc 12 is what it was. >> sean: that is a single engine process, yes turboprop, right. >> and i think that plane came down at a steep angle and i believe that the per luminary idea was a loss of pilot control. so again, i hate to belabor this point but if they were in the

soup, you cannot see the lights on the ground, you cannot tell up from down. and if they didn't have instruments or they weren't reading them correctly or some of their instrument's failed, it is just -- you just point the plane somewhere and hope that it is level. >> sean: let me ask you about that. you are almost insinuating or i'm reading into it and if i'm wrong in interpreting what you're saying correct me but we are talking about 1600 feet and it is not uncommon for a jet to take off at low cloud cover. wouldn't that be a scenario where they would more quickly hit the autopilot if they are up in the sky to avoid the very thing that you were talking about, spatial disorientation? >> i guess it depends on the crew. as i said, they were still supposed to be following direction from the control tower.

they were told to turn into 290 degrees and the fact that they, i think -- my interpretation is that they not only hit that heading but then went way beyond it ended at least a 80 in in this kyra maybe even more than that before the impact it, that tells me that they were already lost seconds after the left the ground. >> sean: once the plane takes off, can you possibly -- my understanding is you can hit autopilot almost from the minute you take off from the ground, is that not true? >> that is true. it depends on the autopilot and the aircraft. and it depends on what the pilots have set up. they may have figured that they were going to be rattling around by air traffic control for a while and maybe they were going to program the autopilot later.

it is anybody's guess, really. >> sean: john katko many years have you been flying my friend? >> more than 20 now. >> sean: my gosh. you fly jets also are what you fly? >> i only fly things that i can afford. >> sean: they are not an expensive, no doubt. >> yes, i have spent some time in jet simulators, including some pretty high-end ones. but i do not fly a jet. >> sean: a good friend of mine who is a pilot, i'm sure you would appreciate this, made the observation that pilots are great but great pilots, you really get to see their skill when something goes wrong. and you pointed this out earlier and i heard your comments. the safety record of flying, now it is extraordinarily strange and light of what happened with this matter crash this week that

we have back-to-back crashes like this although very different in nature. but flying is one of the safest things you can do and the fact that over 100,000 commercial flights will take off every single day and i think it is 0.8% of any incident that takes place is a pretty darn good track record. i wouldn't say we have perfected flight but we have come pretty darn close to perfecting it. >> i don't know the statistics on highway fatalities. a few years ago, may be a decade ago was the last time i was paying attention. we were losing 50,000 people a year to highway accidents. so the fact that since the air crash which was back in the early 2000s, we had lost nobody in a commercial aircraft

crash in this country until the plane hit the chopper. >> sean: i remember that our that jet that went down in connecticut, we mentioned the other one with the pop star that went down. there was another one, number 35, this number 55 you're talking about today, that crashed. a farmer with your correctly it was 2017. and that case, it was a stall on an approach to landing that resulted in a high speed, nose down altitude. and this is why -- i'm getting bombarded with people that i know in aviation and pilots that i know and the consensus among them is that they believe, their gut is telling them at least the majority of texts that i'm reading as we are on the air here that it would be a stall and it wouldn't be the first

time for this make. but john, we really appreciate your expertise, the time you spent with us and as always, we will be watching you. >> thank you sean, i appreciate it. >> sean: we go now to a former black hawk helicopter pilot and republican congressman. welcome back. we preshow you being with us. as you look at the speed and trajectory, i keep asking everyone, i love your take on this. >> yes, this is another absolute tragedy like you said. there's a lot of questions and we expect a thorough investigation, i think we can all draw our own theories but that was an absolutely unusual attitude position for that airplane to be in. there is nothing natural or normal about that. that is not a normal flight behavior or normal flight pattern or attitude to be in. so something else was taking place at that moment before that aircraft impacted the ground the way in which it did. >> sean: what do we know about

when you see that speed, that trajectory, that the plane had just taken off, reaching an altitude of 1600 feet and dropping like a rocket or a missile? that is a frightening scenario. >> it absolutely is. and we know that it tends to be the case that a lot of aviation mishaps, the overwhelming majority take place on takeoff or landing. those tend to be the most critical modes of flight. and when most types of incidents take place either because of crew workload were system failures or a mishap that takes place, those are the modes of flight when you are transitioning through takeoff or landing that tends to be the time at which these things become more of an issue. certainly that happened in the most recent case over the reagan airport with the collision there and it has happened now at this

unfortunate loss of life incident here in pennsylvania as well tonight. both of which -- one on takeoff, the other on landing. oath, again, in those highly more prone to situational risk during this takeoff and landing modes of flight. >> sean: yes congressman barrett, we appreciate you coming with us. if you are just joining us, a learjet jet crashed into a mall also impacting a number of private homes, multiple homes set ablaze. as you can see on your screen. emergency response has been fast and furious and every attempt is being made to save lives. we know six souls were on board. it crashed around 6:30 this evening. after departing from northeast philadelphia airport there were six people on board the plane on route from springfield branson

national airport of missouri. we learned that, in fact,, a young girl who just received medical treatment under the age of 18 with her mother was on board with four crewmembers and one of those was a health aid provider. and this comes less than 48 hours after that deadly in their collision the commercial flight, american airlines flight and the blackhawk helicopter that left seven dead near reagan national airport above the potomac. we go back to our own alexis mcadams who has more breaking news. alexis, what is the latest? we're waiting for governor john schapiro to deliver remarks on this deadly crash in the coming wild to pennsylvania. >> hopefully the governor can give us some more details. may be they can identify these people on board and we can get some names. but it is heartbreaking i think now starting to you before it's

like you have to take a pause because they look at the fire and try to figure what happened but you have to think about the people onboard. these chat rescue air angle and screws tell me that all six people on board did not make it. including a young girl and her mom and then the four crewmembers. this girl had just finished life-saving treatment in philadelphia, they have some of the best doctors in these hospitals here so they specifically brought her here from tijuana, mexico. i'm told that the young girl, or moment all of the crew members were originally from mexico, they were supposed to land back in tijuana but they never made it. so she finishes up this treatment, she supposed to go home and delivery with her family and the plane goes down. in terms of how that plane went down, as you were talking about with aviation experts, they are trying to figure it out. but i think the story for people on the ground and people watching at home is what is going on with all of those fires that were everywhere? will i'm told that that is because this airplane, since it had just taken off was full of jet fuel. so the thing goes down right there in the middle of this busy

area in philly on the north side. it was around 6:00 so they were coming and going, things moving quick with the traffic. here comes the plane smacking down right in the middle, so hard that i'm told by some fire officials that a gas line ruptured. six houses were on fire and six cars were on fire. you can see it in that doorbell video. it's wildly watch these things happen with what happened at the airport near washington, d.c. it looks like a fireball coming down and people in the area thought what just happened? i just heard and felt an explosion. so some people were telling local reporters, sean, that they felt they were under attack. the debris is everywhere. so they go on put these fires out as quickly as they can and you talked to that fire official as well who said they have responded fast. these were row houses so they are packed in there together, i guess its pretty popular in philly. so it kind of spread through those homes pretty quickly but they were able to get people out. so six people, according to this

group did not make it but we don't know about the injuries on the ground. >> sean: and a 55 would have about 15 gallons of jet fuel on takeoff. i imagine was probably pretty close to full if not full. so that is a lot of fuel. and then coming down at that trajectory and that speed, resulting in the fireball that we saw on the ground. and you are right, you have been able to confirm now, six homes have in fact, we knew there were multiple homes ablaze, you're confirming six. it is sad this family was going back after medical treatment. i young girl under 18 with her mom and did not make it to branson. very sad. we appreciate it, alexis mcadams, think you for being with us. we're joined now by a former investigator, charlie pereira is with us. thank you for joining us. let's first get your initial thoughts and what you see.

it looks like josh shapiro is about to take to the microphones, in fact charlie, if i could put you on pause here for a second. we have been waiting for the governor of the commonwealth of pennsylvania to speak. you can see that -- i believe the mayor's with him, near philadelphia also. there is fire officials, first responders, police officials. let's listen in with the mayor and the governor. >> now in the vicinity of roosevelt mall and it did occur shortly after 6:00 p.m. again, we have no reports on the number of fatalities. so we are asking everyone for their thoughts and prayers for all who may have been impacted and affected by this tragedy. several dwellings and vehicles were also impacted. so we are urging people,

particularly those families who live in the surrounding area to pleas stay home if possible. if you see any debris and those who are conducting the investigations have repeated consistently, please do not touch anything because it is still an active investigation. just call 911, please. if you see anything. investigators and all of our drill and state partners are working as expeditiously as possible during this very difficult time. new information that we want to share with you. that shelter is now available at the samuel fels high school located at 5500 langdon street. that is samuel fels high school, 5500 langdon street. if anyone has been impacted and you need shelter and support, it is readily available for you.

in terms of our federal and state partners, i want to say special thank you to the ntsb. they are here on sight now. the faa, the pennsylvania state police, pennsylvania dep. of course our police and fire departments and oem. i'm here with governor shapiro. we have been in constant contact since this started. you will be hearing from him shortly. but i also want to say a special thank you to our additional partners who we have spoken with akbar federal leaders, u.s. senators federman and mccormick, thank you so much. all hands on deck, they want to make sure any and everything that we needed from the federal government, those supports and services are available. congressman evans, boyle and scanlon our congressional delegation, a special thank you to each of you for your support.

i also need to affirm that locally here, a senator, represent nielsen and more were present. if there was ever a time where we needed to affirm what the one philly philosophy means the time is now and i'm very proud about how our federal, state and all of our local partners are working hard to deal with this tragedy. i now want to turned over to our governor and to say thank you governor for your support and being here with us this evening. >> thank you mayor. >> she talks about a unified approach to governing every day. what you were seeing here is a unified response to an awful aviation disaster. as awful as the aviation

disaster was, tonight we also saw the best of philadelphia. we saw a neighbor helping neighbor, we saw pennsylvanians looking out for one another. i want to reaffirm the comments the mayor said about all of the different agencies working together. i want to especially thanks and salute philly fire and philly police who did an extraordinary job this evening. we know there will be lost in this region. and we want to offer our thoughts and our serious prayers for those who are grieving at this moment. the mayor knows and i want you all to know that the commonwealth in pennsylvania stands firmly with our partners in the city. we have at the request of commissioner bethel, 45 state troopers on the ground right here in northeast philly. we have 25 members of our penndot team here right now. we have members of the

pennsylvania emergency management authority who are here including our director randy pat field who joins me behind here. we also have members of dep, the department of environmental protection, who are here to make sure that any hazardous materials are addressed. as you heard the mayor reference be joined by several state representatives and senators, i want to thank them. they will make sure that whatever is needed for this community gets to this community. also the united secretary of state's of transportation secretary duffer who awful is his full support to northeast philly. as the mayor alluded to he dispatched before members of the faa to philly and four members of ntsb on their way as well. we have all the resources that we needs and as the mayor says one philly we are unified and our approach to deal with this emergency.

again, i will end by sharing my prayers, the prayers of my wife, the first lady, and on behalf of 13 million pennsylvanians we are oral here northeast philly -- all here in northeast philly tonight. >> we have additional information to report we will come back and give another briefing. right now we want to give our federal, state, and local partners let them do their jobs and go to work. we will report back to you when we have more information thank you all very much for your patience and understanding. >> sean: the mayor of philadelphia, the governor of the commonwealth of pennsylvania, the mayor emphasizing anybody sees any debris do not touch it it is an active investigation, call 911. shelter is available for people that have been impacted by this crash tonight of this learjet 55. it is available at a local high school. both the governor, the state praising both the state, the

local authorities, the ntsb, the new department of transportation head, secretary duffy and emergency officials state local you know, federal partners all joining again and neighbor helping neighbor as governor schapiro said. and our prayers for everybody and everybody seems united. we continue with former ntsb investing gator -- investigator that is now joining us. charly perreira is with us. thank you, let's get your take, we don't have a lot of time left in this hour but what did you see tonight with that learjet. like a rocket headed towards earth. >> they pretty much covered most everything. you know when we first discussed a couple hours ago when it first happened i was in an interview when it happened and you know, initial impression, looking at the radar, climate a 16 hour

feed and then all of a sudden it comes down like that. so some kind of flight control or i guess it from the latest videos you can see some kind of emissions from the airplane on its way down it appears. so maybe there was a fire inside, maybe they did have something going on with the oxygen inside the airplane of. that would explain his inability. >> sean: we are out of time this hour but hopefully those black boxes are recovered we will get more information. our prayers with everybody impacted by all of this. i know i speak for the entire country it is sad. that is all the time we have left this evening. please stay with the fox news channel we will have continuing coverage of this learjet 55 going down outside of philadelphia, our coverage continues with my friend, my colleague trace gallagher, thank you for being with us. >> i'm trace gallagher 10:00 p.m. on the east coast