crash. >> trace: standby if you will. good analysis. that is a picture of the learjet 55 right there. we are just getting word, by the way, that the philadelphia crash was the second fatal incident in 15 months for jet rescue which is the medevac company that crashed their plane it. the plane was crass to tonight. and 20235 crew members were killed when their plane overran a month -- runway in a central mexican state, and crashed into a hillside. so the second crash and 15 months for jet rescue which will bring up some questions for investigators because we are now, despite what has happened this week, we are in the safest time in aviation for the past 15 years in the history of aviation. and to have two crashes in your company in 15 months will raise some questions. we are coming right back with breaking news. and here we go.

continuing our breaking news coverage. see on the right hand side of your screen that is a look at philadelphia. that is the scene of another plane crashed tonight. it was a learjet 55 with six people on board. it was working for a company called jet rescue. it was a medevac chopper or medevac plane and it had two pilots and it had to medical workers, it had a patient, a child, and some family member was with that that patient. all six of them were on board. there are no signs anywhere of survivors. we want to bring in correspondent cb cotton because she is live in philadelphia at the scene of the crash. she has information about a patient who was treated tonight and where are you exactly and what are you seeing and hearing? >> we are here by the diner about a quarter-mile away from the crash i can tell you there are sirens as far as the eye can see. there are so many people

moving about in this area because northeast philadelphia has been left to stand in the worst way tonight after this medical transport plane crashed moments after taking off. i cannot also confirm some more tragic news, we know that jet rescue air ambulance, the company that owns that plane that crashed, they didn't tell us six people were on board, for crew members, part of that, hope that position, paramedics, and a young girl and her mother. i have confirmed with... children in philadelphia that the young girl had been treated at their hospital. i had a statement moments ago for media spokesperson i want to share it with our viewers it says in part quote, shriners children's is heartbreaking to confirm that one of the pediatric patients and the child's mother were... in the aircraft that clashed -- crashed in philadelphia this evening. she was being transported back to her

home country in mexico on contracted ambulance when the crash happened. because of the privacy concerns we can't say more about the family at this time. goes on to say that the entire medical crew at the hospital deeply impacted. offering carts and prayers to those impacted by this situation and thinking the first responders. just more tragic details that we have confirmed. and also spoken with a spokesperson for that medical transport plane. describing the pilot and the copilot as very seasoned adding that the company flies 700 missions a year. so some of the details that we have heard tonight from the company itself, we also know that that flights the final destination was tijuana international airport. but the flight was going to make a stop for fuel in springfield, missouri, and we know moments after taking off that flight crashed. and some of the images

and videos we have been sharing with our viewers absolutely horrific. everything happened after 6:00 p.m. today. talking with some fire officials, one of them telling me that at least one person was here on seen badly burned. had survived the crash, we do not know whether this person was on the plain or with in a nearby car when the crash occurred what i'm told by a senior fire official that one person who was badly burned, still alive when the first responders arrived, shortly perished shortly after first responders got here and began treatment. the more details we learn tonight, they are just heartbreaking and our hearts go out to everybody impacted by this tragedy. we know that members of the ntsb have just gotten here on the ground 45 a state troopers are already here. 25 members of the state dod and there is a lot more to come as this investigation gets underway. >> trace: live on scene for us thank you very much. we bring in retired...

abbott -- aviator... and survived helicopter crash and the potomac river 28 years ago godfrey, former blackhawk crew chief... and retired air force brigadier general christopher walker. we also have i think donte mills who is a private pilot who lives in the area. dante, if you hadn't -- and hear me, i'm curious because i'm wondering if you have flown out of the north philly airport if you live in this area what can you tell us about the crash? what are you curious about and there's a? >> this is a congested area i think that is what everybody should know. you can't tell from these pictures but philadelphia is a city of row homes where all of these homes are connected they are right on top of each other. when you talk about six of those homes being on fire the threat of that entire block being on fire was a real. we talk about 6:00 at

night there is activity there a lot of activity in that area. the content and bustle area which has the strip mall and a lot of restaurants. people all about that area also to be going about your life and to have a plane crash in an active neighborhood, not talking about a field or anywhere like that, an active neighborhood where people are living their lives, the devastation will be real and the terror will be real up. i want to remind people it is safe to fly in planes. i know this is the second plane crash this week but it is safe. i am an attorney i do aviation law. statistically it is safer to be in a plane then in a car, but i know how frightening it is to be in the air when you have no control it, you hope that lessons can be learned so this does not happen again. >> trace: and as an aviator attorney and the pilot what do you think, dante? you have seen this video , and you hear what happened, and you hear

that there was the transmission between air-traffic controllers and the plane they responded once and then not again. this thing got to 1600 feet and then literally it just went into a dive. >> it fell out of the air and i'm thinking back to my experience i know that this pilot reportedly had over 1000 hours that is a lot of training. so they should be able to maneuver. but one of the most difficult things to do when you are flying the plane's take off. and then also slow flight -- flight when you are trying to navigate before getting up to a certain speed. my question, i know it is early in the investigation, is a was there a stall out? the ankle that came off the ground, was it too high or too low. they could not get the air under the wings? you see the plane falling straight through the air. the problem as it happened shortly after they took off so they were not high enough to recover. one thing we do as part of that as we practiced all outs, we get up in the air and we cut the

engine just in case so we can learn what to do but we usually have height that you can maneuver and try to find a london ground. knowing that area i will tell you that the boulevard, roosevelt boulevard, is a major street and it is wide. i'm curious as to whether or not he saw the plane going down and tried to steer towards the wide street and figured that was his best chance for survival. because that is the area where the plane crashed. with the fact that happened so soon after takeoff there is not a lot you can do because you do not have a lot of space and a lot of height to maneuver and find the best place to bring the plane to the ground it safely. >> trace: dante one more quick question before i bring in the rest of the panel because we know they responded saying yes, they knew they were supposed to go to 290 but you look at the location of where the crash happens, they back the other way. so something happened. either they tried to correct or something disastrous happened and

flight. but it is interesting they were not on the heading. they went up and even if something disastrous happened you would think they would be on the heading they were given. >> you wide and one thing again in training what we learn if you do not try to turn back around. that should not happen. what you do if you take the flight path and you wrap around in a circle that allows you to kick that airspeed so you do not fall to the ground like this plane is seen falling to the ground and those videos. so if something happened on that plane, i know there has been talk of may be the oxygen tank or something like that, and they try to turn back around quickly that is a recipe for what happens here. you lose the airspeed you can't catch the wind on those wings on the plane fas to the ground. i'm curious as if that is something that happened here. is at the because? mechanical error? a lot of times the

pilots are not skilled enough -- are skilled enough especially with over a thousand hours to figure out a way to get the plane to the ground but that did not happen here. i'm curious as to why because you saw the plane falling to the ground pretty fast. >> trace: standby if you will i will bring in general christopher walker. what are your thoughts when you hear dante say this in, there's a possibility this thing might have stalled it might have came up and stalled. we know the weather was bad, we know the cloud cover was slow, is that something that you think is feasible. >> from the steep angle of the set it pretty much was the stall or the wings came off. more likely a stall. as for the pilots looking for a clear place to land, i would say in my opinion, in... conditions all mexican crew, they do not know

for the adelphia were trying to stay alive. it had to be a catastrophic failure of some sort. watching those landing lights come down like a stunt missile it just tells me something very bad went wrong. >> trace: captain ... when you hear at the general talk about a catastrophic failure in your estimation what is a catastrophic failure? losing one engine is that a catastrophic failure? or is that correctable? is it some kind of explosion on board of? is that losing your instruments? what would you define as a catastrophic failure? >> certainly not an engine failure. flight control system one major flight control system, major flight control pills would be catastrophic. anything that happens that puts you in a non straight-ahead or stable departure.

in this case a departure. catastrophic means something blows up, something explodes, a wink falls off, the rudder fails, catastrophic means it is over for you. >> trace: let's go the next level down captain if you would do. what is something that is severe but correctable? >> severe would be clearly an engine failure. i would like to reiterate some people are concerned, the airlines and that specific jet, not to get too technical, but you reach a speed going down the runway that if you had a failure, you had enough distance to stop. also, there is a speed at which you go down the runway which is passed at that speed that if you have a failure you just put more power on the good engine and you take off and try it out and you make a nice slow turn and come back around and a land of the airplane at the most suitable place you can land.

i also agree that obviously not looking for trace for a street to land on it. they were looking at their instruments and hoping they were working. >> trace: just so we are clear on this it is a fact that you probably many, many times in your career have worked on a simulator taking off with one engine. these planes are all certified to do just that, to take off on one engine if you are past the point of no return. >> yes, sir. i can't tell you how much times i spent in the simulator and flight training with real airplanes engine failure slightly before or after takeoff. but we are americans and i would be remiss if i said -- did not say, we need serious prayer, our hearts go out to the people and d.c. who lost loved ones, and our hearts go out to the

people in philly, our hearts go out to them for the tragedy and the lives that were lost as they are. so we need to take a moment and reflect, we have a lot to be thankful for, we need to put our prayers to the head of these people who have lost so, so much. >> trace: and captain, we go back from the first day of this month. you had that terror attack in new orleans, we had another incident in las vegas, you had the fires in california that killed people and destroyed tens of thousands. this is all in january. you had the inauguration and then you had the plane crash two nights ago. and then you had this plane crash. i mean people are saying we need to get to we need to get to february which is happening at least on the east coast you know in another 47 minutes or so. but it really is you bring up a good point, captain. it is a lot, it is a lot

to endure for this country in a month. and there has been very few answers as to why a lot of this happened. i think that is what is frustrating to americans. >> yes. trace, another major point that none of us we have been so busy answering your questions, have enunciated, aircraft accidents are always a confluence of events whether they be human or mechanical. it is a confluence, things stacking up. you reach critical mass for failure either human failure or mechanical failure or both. >> trace: you are exactly right. to you now these are things you learn when you start covering airline disaster and it goes all the way back to me tw eight 800 that exploded over long hunt -- island. you think it was just one explosion but you go

through you go through the rebuilding and the explosion, and sure enough it is a series of things that led to that. a series of mistakes. even you go back two nights ago to the midair collision near dca and you will find and they are already lining up it was a series of mistakes that might have been air traffic controller, it might have been the helicopter being too high, it might have been the plane changing runways at the last minute. so a series of things that contribute to this. we always look at what is the most catastrophic thing and you might want to ask what are the nine things of that led up to the most catastrophic thing? >> absolutely. always a whole series of unfortunate events that continue to cascade and because of these things to happen. they call them contributing factors for a reason. a number of factors that

just stack up to contribute. i did notice something just as we were talking, watching the aircraft fault time and time again, about two-thirds of the way down you see a slight change in direction. i'm not sure if that is just it is picking up speed and the aerodynamics are causing it to shift, or if there was an input from somebody on the aircraft getting into control or some sort. but i see that happening there about two-thirds of the way down and that stands out to me. not sure that is anything important but we also right now looking on the screen of the oxygen tanks and the concern earlier was how easy it is to destroy an oxygen tank. this one flew a quarter of a mile and pretty much still intact. that is a testament to how well these things are built. and so it is always new members of things. the thing that happened two nights ago, you have a crew that is maybe out

of position, you have unclear communication between the aircraft and atc. you have multiple aircraft in the air to put eyes on all sorts of stuff that play a role. it is never just one thing. >> trace: a very good point. general walker, to you now, you go all the way back to the air france crash into the ocean and you read the reports of that and it was simply and they not only had the cockpit crew but they had a flight crew that was sleeping and you had the captain come in from the other flight crew trying to figure out what was going wrong. and between all of them they could not figure out how to keep the plane from stalling and they were at 35,000 feet and went into the ocean because they could not figure out. this mentality of trying to figure out how to get the plane to fly into a straight and level and they could not accomplish.

>> that particular one i believe was a problem with icing on the pedal juicer. they said this does not make any sense. so this is part of something that happens all the time. airlines and the military through resource management where we try to say all the right, some, if everybody is staring at that red light who was flying the airplane? what we tried to do is say all the right, somebody fly the airplane, you figure out what is going on. in this particular case everything happened much too quickly. with the atc radio calls that we heard they did not really have time to try and say what is going on here? it seems to me that they were struggling with aircraft and it went down to. through decades of military service i have

seen a lot of accident investigation. ntsb as well as military accident investigators, they are very thorough. they will go to that airplane, they will pick every scrap, they will look at every rip it to -- rivets, they will look at the black box, they will look at everything. sometimes even all of us who consider ourselves experts, are surprised at what the actual cause was. windows investigators really comb through holy smokes you will never know what you are going to get. so right now we are all speculating but you may be surprised. >> trace: and it is interesting here, dante mills, because he makes a very good point when you talk about recovering as they have, by the way, and the dca with the reagan crash of the other night, they have recovered the black boxes from both of the black -- black hawk helicopter as well as the committee to check, the regional jet, tools

will be helpful. when you look at the black boxes, you talk to ntsb people, i wonder because they always say they get more, people think they will get more information from the flight data recorder because they can kind of hear what the pilots were talking about and the final seconds of the flight before the crash. but it is usually the flight data recorder that gives you the indications of what exactly was happening on board that airplane at the time. >> absolutely you look at the plane crash or two nights ago what we learned from the doctor recorder is the height that the helicopter was flying at. and know that the height was not supposed to be there it was supposed to be at 200 it was at 300 and that is kind of want put it into harms away. in the path of that commercial flight. we will learn more about this. when adage might flight instructor told me is claims want to fly.

if you take off it should not be difficult to keep it going. even in the instance of engine failure or stall out you can coast but that did not happen here. so there has to be something else that went wrong that is out of the norm. that is what they are talking about. we will find is something here that sticks out and just different from most other flights because what happened here should not happen. it is not consistent with the flying a plane or when things happen in the air. normally you can recover or something can be done but clearly there is no time for that to happen here. i want to point out again and give my love to the city of philadelphia. i have been on text and on my phone checking in with people from the area making sure they are okay. you see these texts going around because it is a congested area and nobody knows. just that concern of everybody in the philadelphia area, i want to give a thank you to the philadelphia mayor who immediately came out and reassured

everybody that philly will get the help they need it. just asking for the prayers of the nation because it will be a hard time for a long time. >> trace: very good point you are a good time for pointed that out. he makes a good point. i remember going out when my buddy who at the time captain for u.s. airways and we fly in his 182 when i was learning how to fly and he would sit there and say listen, if the plane is turning properly it wants to fly itself. you can push the it is going to fly itself. captain? >> a lot of people asking me what is it like to fly a jet. i say if you can fly a cessna 150 you can flight a big jet. airplanes are airplanes. smaller airplane can kill you just as fast as a big airplane or fighter jet. airplanes are airplanes, air -- aerodynamics are aerodynamics.

>> trace: when something like this goes wrong and you look at investigations, every part of that i have ever met, always likes to go back and look at these investigations to find out what happened. to find out how they can better themselves in the future. you look at these investigations always interesting on what happened. and sometimes it is a pilot error, sometimes of the pilots you know we always initially knee-jerk to catastrophic or they lost at this or loss this and yet sometimes it is just a pilot error. -- error. >> absolutely and it is heartbreaking when you discover that. it really is. we are humans and we do make mistakes. often times if it is clouded era -- human error it is a confluence of human errors.

>> trace: is alexis adams ready. i want to go back to alexis adams for breaking news and update on what is happening. >> we know six people were taken to temple university hospital. three of them were treated and released and three are in fair condition. a short time ago we heard from the witness who played it out pretty well. he said he was near the mall and he was with his mom, worked at a doctor's office, they heard what they thought was a massive explosion, saw a fireball in the parking lot, six cars on fire and six homes going up in flames and then he said he looked over into the street and saw this little boy was badly injured inside of a red pickup truck. so this kid is in the front seat of a car, they are driving through rush hour traffic in philly and a piece of debris according to this witness went right through the front windshield of that red pickup truck and hit this little boy in the head. so then to match that up with what we are hearing in terms of injuries from the hospital they say an 11-year-old boy was treated for head injuries. a 31-year-old also had had -- had head injuries

according to reports on the woman had facial injuries. my question to authorities and i keep asking my sources and philadelphia police and fire crews but they are working so hard so i'm still waiting to hear back but what are the burn injuries. you can see the fire this is like a massive blaze of. those six row homes this is that townhouse we have been watching at home i guess it is popular in the north philly and so the philly area but they are kind of stuck up close together and the two on the end lit on fire. so this whole area is covered in tons of jet fuel. that is so flammable so this house gets covered and then it goes right up in flames and so did those cars right there in the parking lot. so you have to ask yourself what are the injuries on the ground? these once pretreated and released and then three in fair condition but we are hearing at least on social media reports that people were badly burnt so that is why the mayor is telling people to get out of the area, do not touch

anything, and asking for prayers so we will see what happens. >> trace: good advice. let's go back to fox report anchor and licensed part of that jon scott. you might have heard the conversation but a couple things i am curious about. if you were entering this newscast what question is not being asked? what would you want to know from this group of par that's? they take us in different directions and you think that is also a fascinating angle. >> i did have the time to look at the map after you and i spoke the last time. it share appears to me that they were told it, they took off on a westbound runway 240 degree heading and they were told to turn to 290 which is north westbound and yet they crashed while it to the east of the airport. so somehow and south of the airport as well so somehow they made more

than a 180-degree turn in just that short 30 or so seconds they were in the air. and again it could have been some catastrophic failure on the airframe but i go back to the idea that somehow their instruments were not working, they were not able to determine where they were, where they had their knows pointed, what their airspeed was. and just lost control of the aircraft. >> trace: martha maccallum just emailed. she has a good question come back and talk about the possibility of bird strikes. we talk about catastrophic but we go back to sully someone burke and the miracle on the hudson and they took off one direction and so then lost the power and decided to come back another direction. he came back the other direction and landed on the hudson. that is why it was the miracle on the hudson. you see how close they came to the bridges.

but it is an interesting concept where was there a possibility of a bird strike here. >> i suppose so. i am no avian experts but most birds a packet in after dark. i think i have heard some canada geese else migrating after dark but it was already dark and philadelphia when this plane took off. i am baffled. i think everybody is going to be baffled for a long time. >> trace: i think you are exactly right and one of those things where you think when you say like we were talking to dante mills also a private pilot and aviation lawyer, when you hear these things about was there a stall of? to the plane go up or did it simply stall a? was there a possibility this was simply pilot error? and then you have people say there seems to me when you look at the video of the crash, there seems to be kind of a flair comes up almost like almost like they got power at one point as they were

going down. like the pilots got power and tried to and tried to to write the plane and could not do it did not have the time. >> one of the interesting things i also had a chance to look at since the last time we spoke, something called the aviation safety network that has already put out a preliminary report on this crash and the speed of the dissent is absolutely mind-boggling that plane went into the ground of a speed of approximately 11,000 feet per minute. that is more than 2 miles a minute that is how fast it was going. so obviously not a survivable accident. but again, when they were only at 1600 feet altitude when they started when radar contact was lost, everything happened very quickly. the question is why?

>> trace: and you wonder to get that speed, to get that velocity, do you need some kind of, do you need some kind of power or can they just fall? >> that is another good question. that would suggest to me that the engines were actually working. i do not know. >> trace: you know what i'm going to do? i'm going to bring back if i can do we still have captain is he still with us? captain, and you answer that a? we talk about this rate this astonishing rate of descent. and i am wondering do you need power to get that rate or could the fall terminal velocity me that fast? >> i do not think, in not an engineer, aerodynamic engineer, but i do not think that airplane had power maybe even max power. 1600 feet that dissent

that is incredible. that is incredible. >> trace: that explains we knew it was it was filled with fuel but that kind of explains the explosion. the impact and the explosion and how it was felt with a wide area around and how it did so much a vast damage on the ground for a plane that for all intents and purposes is 43 feet wide , and 55 feet long? >> exactly. it was one heck of an incident. and again, i just have to believe there was power to get that degree of her rate of dissent in a short period of time. it is just a basic. >> trace: we will continue. go ahead, captain. >> and again we can speculate i have said it several times, hopefully

the black boxes will tell us everything and the commentators respond saying it might have been you, i think it was you, trace, that said, hey,, the data recorders will paint the picture for us. we won't hear what happened in the cockpit. but it is the doctor that speaks truth in this situation. >> trace: i have covered aviation for a long time and i have looked at the number of crashes and the cockpit voice recorder is fascinating because you always want to hear the last conversation but it is the doctor recorder that has the most magic when there ntsb investigators are looking into it. standby if you would breaking neutral coverage -- breaking news coverage continues right here fox news at night. planning to move?

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no signs of any survivors, the plane hit the ground at an enormously fast speed and there would be almost zero chance for survival and no reports. by the way, people on the ground were injured, and we know six people were taken to one hospital and those people all will survive. in fact three of them were released and there were other people take into other hospitals who might have been injured and they are still being checked out. some of them with we are told to severe burns. i will go back to alexis mcadams with the latest on what is happening. >> when you look at those fires all over the ground you have to remember there is six people who were told did not make it in the crash but also the injuries on the grounds of philadelphia. this was during rush hour also a very busy mall, an outdoor mall, i was talking to one of the spokespeople they are you park, you walk out go to all of the big box -- box stores they

have a huge parking lot. that is right where the plane went down. it sprayed it jet fuel all over the place. that means it soaked these nearby row homes and it went all over at least six vehicles that went right up into flames. also focusing, i know there's a lot going on, you see the map with the layout, the flames and the initial response for that video we are showing you live right there take a second and look at it. the cars are completely gone they have been incinerated because they were soaked by that fuel. that is why the mayor and governor is saying stay out of here stay clear of the area because it is such a dangerous scene because of the fuel from this aircraft. it lit everything pretty much in its path on fire. those homes were evacuated, i was told by fire officials earlier they were able to get people out of those row homes when they lit on fire and they lit on fire fast so they had to move very quickly on the first responders that everything they could. in terms of debris talking about pieces of

debris from this fake plane all over the place, parts of the wink went flying. a man who was eating at a nearby restaurant, sitting at a table, and a big piece of metal goes right through the diner and hits the sky in the had to. i do not know how badly he was injured i do know according to the witness that you played a short time ago, it was so interesting to hear what he said because he heard it and he said he felt it. we are talking about the debris from the area that this box went through the window of a red pickup truck and inside that pickup were three people including an 11-year-old boy we are told by sources who got hit by a piece of metal straight in the head. people trying to get out of rush hour traffic when this thing came down right in the middle of the street. putting the focus as we know the faa, the ntsb is out there, state troopers, you name it, putting the focus back on these people who were out on this plane. putting emphasis on how sad this part is.

there's a four year girl finishes a life-saving treatment she is from mexico, going to a hospital in philly for weeks, she just finished this treatment, on her way home to mexico, supposed to land in tijuana with her mom and this crew and she died. this has been going on they did everything to save her life, they were celebrating, she cuts on that plane, they were going to make a pit stop for fuel in missouri and they never made it home. you have to think about the family members and think about the first responders seeing this horrible scene out there. you have to piece it together quickly they just jumped into action but they know now these poor people lost their lives. >> trace: second time in two nights we are sending our condolences go to families across this country. alexis, thank you. second high-profile air disaster in the space of 48 hours raising alarm bells about the state of air travel safety in the u.s. griff jenkins is a live for us at reagan national airport tonight.

>> theresa, it has been one hell of the first two days on the job for transportation secretary sean duffy. transportation secretaries hope to only incur at least one massive tragedy like this in their entire term he has now had to back-to-back in the span of less than 48 hours. we saw earlier tonight sean duffy jumping into action posted a picture of him at faa headquarters being among the first to brief president donald trump and pennsylvania's governor josh shapiro. he of course did an update with the latest that we knew at the time about this learjet 55 crashing shortly after takeoff after 6:30 p.m. now as alexis was talking about what is interesting about this case now that duffy has dispatched the ntsb and the lead with the faa in conjunction it will also take on an international component. we do not fully know what that will entail but as you mentioned earlier in this show

this airline, this aircraft, this medevac service, apparently had some instances in the past, ntsb investigators will have to dive into that on the international level and see cooperation there. it comes after just earlier today here with the crash and washington happening wednesday just before 9:00, duffy posted on x the announcement he made in conjunction with the president in consultation with defense secretary pete hegseth he is a restricting helicopter flights and commercial air space around reagan national airport. that is in effect now for the foreseeable future, certainly until the investigation is done here. for a guy that had just been sworn in on wednesday shortly after the catastrophic midair collision in washington over the potomac river and now this in philly, sean duffy is among the busiest of the cabinet members. wait to see what updates he gives us about what is happening in philly.

>> trace: thank you. breaking news coverage continues after the break including some new questions to ask our panel. new questions come again about the possibility of improperly second pitch trim take off. did that play a factor? was there are rapid decompression caused by our cargo door blow elsegh t at? we wilhel ask our experts coming back in moments hand .

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>> what the [bleep]. >> what the [bleep]! what the [bleep]! >> oh, my god. >> you just terrified is saying get down! get down! we get down but i see the plane is getting lower and lower and lower. >> i had no idea what was happening.

>> into the plaza, right into the dunkin' donuts never seen nothing like that a date in my life. >> stay away from the scene if you see debris call a 911 do not touch anything. >> a big ball of fire flew into the sky. >> trace: let's bring an aviation analyst and former nasa and u.s. air force crash investigator captain and coast guard navigator, former black hawk helicopter crew chief, and retired air force brigadier general christopher walker. thank you all for coming on it. to you first because this is it is interesting i think i want to read this if i can. this is the report it says 6:106:06:10 entered

a climb of altitude 1600 feet and then 6:06:56 so 14 seconds later the plane entered a rapid descent at an average rate of 11,000 feet per second. what do you make of that? >> the thing with the layer 55 the plane accelerates and has a great climb rate. shortly after departure and then watching the plane hit the ground the angle and the speed at which it hit the ground to me doesn't look like the pilot had any control just went right into the ground. so clearly something wrong shortly after departure. even the fuel on board obviously just a fireball which you can see the plane does hit

the ground but the medical oxygen on board it was the explosion when it hit the ground. initially what i am looking at. >> trace: to you we only have a few minutes here trying to wrap this up for what about rapid decompression caused by cargo door blowout ask? >> that would be significant at altitude but not that low to the ground. i think you mentioned earlier something about... so we can address the issue whenever you are ready. >> trace: improperly said pitch trim for pick off. >> there is typically two types of pitch trim mechanisms. one is electrical and one is mechanical with cables. runaway trim you know, somebody is thinking i did not think of that they have a great think.

it could have been it really could have been a trim malfunction. the nose up and then you have a picture that we just saw. i don't know. >> trace: general walker your thoughts? >> i will say this okay? with the experience of that crew, i do not think that they made any mistakes. and as the captain said a little while ago as far as rapid decompression there is no way a 1600 feet the price differential speed levels of 1600 feet is negligible. c-17 we opened the door to drop out paratroopers way higher than that. the. >> trace: market, your thoughts. >> you mentioned there will probably be something comic out that surprises us all. you keep talking about the experience of this crew i remember in 2005

they had a blackhawk rotation they were training for it went to the ground. not supposed to do that. on that flight we had our senior training pilot with over 4500 hours himself, the poll pilot being evaluated for several thousand hours himself, we had the senior constructor standardization instructor for a crew chief, we had an fi on there, we had almost 10,000 hours of experience in that aircraft and we still crashed it. with that experience they were able to salvage it and such a way they were able to recover and get up bank and brewster but they still put into the ground. the human factor cannot be underappreciated. >> trace: thank you all. thank you for watching america's late news we will have continuing coverage of the disaster coverage of the disaster the night.lphia throughh i am trace gallagher, fox news at night, we will see you back here. he time. yeah, it absorbs grease five times faster. even replaces multiple cleaning products.

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