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into the plaza and to the dunkin donuts everywhere. i never seen nothing like that. a day in my life. >> a fireball illuminating the sky over philadelphia after a medevac jet crashed into a busy neighborhood near a shopping mall there. at this time, we know six people were on board the plane, and there is no confirmation of any survivors. it is not yet clear if anyone on the ground died on board the plane. among those six people was a young girl who had just received life saving treatment at shriners hospital. hello everyone. i'm jonathan hunt, live in los angeles. it's 11 p.m. here on the west coast. >> and i'm kevin corke, live in washington, 2 a.m. here. the plane striking both homes and vehicles. smoldering debris can also be seen over a fairly large debris field. the city's

mayor tonight is urging caution. >> right now, we're just asking for prayers for any and everyone who may have been affected. we do want to note that several dwellings and vehicles were impacted. so what are we asking you to do for us right now? philadelphia, we are urging you to please stay away from the scene. if you see debris. call 911. don't touch anything. this is still an active scene under investigation. >> with us live now. fox correspondent cb cotton in philadelphia, a city that is reeling, i would imagine these early hours of saturday morning. cb. >> hi jonathan. reeling, indeed. and yes, the investigation is still very much underway, but we are not getting any closer to that initial crash site behind me about a quarter mile away. we

are all being kept back and as first responders continue their work through the night hours, this is going to be very gruesome and horrific for our brave men and women out here through the night. i'm told by a firefighters union that when emergency crews started to arrive on scene, there were several casualties. casualties in the area. such a tragedy. and tonight we are grieving, along with the people of northeast philadelphia, who had to witness such horrific scenes. take a look. the company who owned the plane, jet rescue air ambulance, tells us the six people on board were four crew members pilot, copilot, physician, paramedic. and there were two other people, a young girl and her mother. we're told everyone on board was from mexico, and the young girl was here to receive life saving treatment. shriners children's philadelphia, sharing this statement, saying in part, quote, our hearts and prayers go out to the families

of the medical crew and pilots who were also lost in this tragic event, as well as all of the people who were affected on the ground. and we're thankful to the first responders for their quick action, the company said the flight's final destination was tijuana international airport, but the flight was going to make a stop for fuel in springfield, missouri. a company spokesperson described both the pilot and copilot as very seasoned, adding that the company jet rescue air ambulance flies 700 missions a year. the images of the crash are terrible. they were captured on people's ring doorbell cameras. take a look. this all happened just after 6 p.m. today. you can see there the plane erupting into a huge fireball, and those neighbors rushing back inside their homes. we also know that after the crash, several homes caught fire. thankfully, firefighters were able to get people out of those homes and everything is now under control. now the

important the really important piece is how this all happened. the investigation is underway and ntsb investigator is on scene and more members are coming tomorrow. we've also been talking about the debris field. it's huge. our local fox affiliate reporter says he found oxygen tanks from the air ambulance at least a quarter mile away from the crash site. and employees at a local diner, also a quarter mile away, told us this debris went through a window hitting a customer. thankfully, that customer is expected to be okay. here's pennsylvania governor josh shapiro tonight. >> there will be loss in this region, and we want to offer our thoughts and our serious prayers for those who are grieving at this moment. the mayor knows, and i want you all to know, that the commonwealth of pennsylvania stands firmly with our partners in the city.

>> temple university hospital also told fox it received six patients in the aftermath of the crash. what's not yet clear, jonathan, is where those six people were in proximity to that initial crash site. back to you. >> and cb, do we have any indication from officials that that will be the final extent of those hurt on the ground? or should we all be bracing ourselves for more bad news when they next brief us, which you said would be not until the morning saturday? >> well, i should note that those patients received at temple university hospital, we are told by a hospital spokesperson, those people are expected to be okay. so that is some good news out of this tragedy. as for people who perished, based on what pennsylvania governor josh shapiro said during the earlier press briefing, talking about how he knows that the loss is going to be widespread. a lot

of us here on the ground, journalists seem to think that we may hear about more casualties when a press briefing is held tomorrow. so more to watch for. but certainly we're hoping that nobody else perished beyond those who were on the plane. >> yeah. and cb, i think all of us right across the country feel the weight, if you like, of this week with this being the second tragic air crash we've had to witness, you know, on our tv screens over the last 48 hours. but people in philadelphia have now witnessed one of those up close and in person in many cases. i cannot imagine what the shock is among people there. and the atmosphere is like tonight. >> i think people want a space to be able to talk about it. a lot of people who witnessed the crash stayed around the area to

linger for quite some time. you got to think this happened at around 630. a lot of people were probably heading home for work. some people were picking up food. this is a busy shopping center. a lot of restaurants, fast food shops nearby. so people saw this up close. and based on what i've heard from a senior firefighting official, it was a really tough scene, a tough aftermath. and you've got to think that some of the people who were out here shopping possibly saw some of the fatalities that were here on scene. >> yeah, a horrible, horrible thing to witness. cb we are grateful to have you there. thank you for your excellent reporting. we'll be back to you throughout the night. cb cotton in philadelphia. thank you so much kevin. >> great job as always guys. thank you. we are seeing a mix of local, state and federal partners working this crash investigation. for more on the government's response, we turn now to fox news channel's chanley painter, who joins us

from new york tonight. an interesting collaboration here, because there are a number of agencies that have to come together quickly and work efficiently. >> and they sure did. kevin. we are seeing a massive and really unified, multi-layered government response to this tragedy. many agencies immediately on the ground there in philadelphia working the scene, offering resources from local authorities and officials to state agencies, including at least 45 state troopers, members of the pennsylvania department of transportation, the pennsylvania emergency management authority, and the department of environmental protection to elected state officials, including the governor as well as federal agencies. we know at least four members of the ffa have been dispatched. the ffa posting details about the crash online, saying it and the ntsb are both investigating and, quote, the ntsb will lead the investigation and will provide all updates. the ntsb making clear they have one person on

the ground now and an additional team members, about four, will be arriving later today. in a press conference, the philadelphia mayor and pennsylvania governor expressed gratitude for that unified response. watch. >> if there was ever a time when we needed to affirm what the one philly philosophy means, the time is now. and i'm very proud about how our federal, state, and all of our local partners are working hard to deal with this tragedy. >> what you're seeing here is a unified response to an awful aviation disaster. for as awful as that aviation disaster was tonight, we also saw the best of philly. we saw neighbor helping neighbor. we saw pennsylvanians looking out for one another. >> and president trump and his administration leaders have been in communication with local and state officials offering support, including the new secretary of

transportation, sean duffy. facing his second tragedy in just his third day on the job, president trump took to truth social with this quote. so sad to see the plane go down in philadelphia, pennsylvania. more innocent souls lost are people are totally engaged. first responders are already being given credit for doing a great job. more to follow. god bless you all. and vice president jd vance also echoing those same sentiments on social media as well. kevin, back to you. >> chanley painter for us tonight in new york. chanley, thank you so much. and joining us now, he's a retired u.s. navy captain and navy pilot with 28 years on the job. good to have you with us again. i just want to sort of walk us ahead. now, if you'll allow me. arman. we typically think of when there's a debris field like this. you want to you want to obviously assess the circumstance. you want to control, contain. and then we wait for daybreak. as we move into daybreak, people often

talk about the three c's there. now it's coordinate. collect and categorize. walk me through, if you would, with respect to the process, especially when you're considering arming. the ntsb has a lot of agencies to coordinate with. >> certainly. absolutely. besides just the faa and local authorities, you've got, you know, the first responders you have to coordinate with who actually pulled all that debris together and putting it all together. they're going to find a warehouse and try to reassemble that aircraft as best as they possibly can. but you're also going to talk to the airline. you're going to talk to the training of those pilots. you're going to talk to the organizations that maintain that aircraft. you're going to look at the flight records. you're going to look at the maintenance records of that aircraft going back five, ten years to determine did the aircraft get all the required maintenance that it possibly did? i mean, it's going to be an exhaustive search to determine what actually caused this, this disaster. and that's

why a lot of times, these reports can take a very long time to put together something that's comprehensive. we'll get a quick look in about a month. we'll have a pretty good idea. but the final report is going to take a long time. it could take up to six months because it is an absolute exhaustive process to go through that whole to go, to go and investigate every possible lead. >> i'm glad you mentioned the fact that they tried to reassemble the aircraft. often we'll hear about the importance of locating the black box or the flight data recorder, a flight data recorder. and yet i'm just curious. they go through this painstaking process to try to reassemble, if you will, the aircraft. tell me why that's important. >> well, if you go back to the titan submarine disaster or any aircraft disaster, being able to put an aircraft back together, you'd be shocked and amazed how many pieces and parts you can put back together after an accident to make a mishap. aircraft that scattered

over perhaps a square mile or two look like a 75 to 80% completed airplane. it is. it is amazing. but by doing that, you can actually discern what impact or what the causes of impact or basically damage to the airframe that was caused by impact by perhaps a damage to the aircraft that was maybe caused ahead of time. they can determine and discern the stresses, say, in the engine or on the wings or on the fuselage, that may have been caused by some sort of aerodynamic issue. by looking at microfractures or stress fractures, did the aircraft over g before it actually crashed twice the actual smacking into the ground. so it's it requires a lot of a lot of metallurgical analysis. it's going to require as we as you discussed, the black box piecing it back together second by second where the aircraft was and by isolating those areas of the, of the flight

where perhaps something extremely dynamic occurred, then we can say, oh, this aircraft probably suffered a 5 or 6 g's for a few seconds at this point, and they'll be able to tell from the stress on the aircraft or perhaps at the wing root, that. yep, we verify that. yes, there was about a six or a7g pull on, on, on the aircraft at this point. or maybe here's where it went inverted and experienced zero g's. so it's a lot of data. it's a lot of information. but it does get put together pretty well. >> this is why we love having you on. you really break it down with great detail. and thank you, arman. we appreciate that. 11,000ft per minute is one of the reports we heard. that's about 125 miles an hour. that is absolutely careening toward earth. and that will be part of the fox news alert. i'm chanley painter, live in new york. hamas releasing israeli

american keith siegel this morning. the 65 year old, who is originally from north carolina, moved to israel four decades ago. he and his wife were among those taken captive during the hamas led invasion and massacre in southern israel on october 7th, 2023. siegel's wife of 40 years, aviva, was released during a brief ceasefire agreement in november 2023. siegel's released today comes a few hours after two other hostages were set free, including a french israeli citizen, ofer calderon, and yarden bibas, the father of the two youngest hostages, a four year old and a nine month old. their fate, along with bibas wife, remain unknown, but the idf has noted that there is grave concern for their well-being. the release of calderon and bibas took place in a different location from siegel, who was paraded around the port of gaza in gaza city. this is the fourth time hamas

has released hostages as part of the fragile ceasefire deal that ended the 15 months of fighting in gaza. in all, a total of 33 hostages are part of this ceasefire agreement. but hamas has said eight of them are dead, including four american hostages. it is believed there are two remaining american hostages still alive. hamas is holding the bodies of the deceased captives as part of this ceasefire. israel has agreed to set free hundreds of palestinian prisoners. once again, hamas releasing dual american citizen keith siegel this morning after 484 days in captivity. siegel is originally from north carolina. he was kidnaped together with his wife. she was released in 2023. they had a daughter, but she was spared since she happened to be away when her parents were taken on that day. siegel

will now be going through a medical evaluation, as all hostages have have been going through. he will finally then be reunited with his family and his wife of 40 years. siegel is the first dual israeli american to be released during this ceasefire agreement. there are still two americans left in hamas captivity that are alive that we know. so far, hamas has released a total of ten of the 33 hostages, while israel has handed over 400 palestinian prisoners so far. we will continue to keep you updated on this developing story. for now, i'm chanley painter. now back to programing. >> so what are y'all into? >> the experian. >> app they. >> match you to more rewarding credit cards, could help you raise your fico score instantly or save on car insurance. they make life better. how about you? >> i'm into cheese. >> download the experian app. >> i'm kelsea ballerini. >> and i'm ride or die country.

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philadelphia on friday evening, just around 6 p.m, first responders and investigators rushed to the scene. as you can imagine, their first priority to save lives. their second priority to investigate the cause of this crash, an investigation that obviously is proceeding as quickly as it possibly can right now. joining us now, jason pack, former fema external affairs officer and a first responder himself, jason, we were talking earlier about the pressures that these first responders face. when you get to a scene like that, the flames extremely intense jet fuel everywhere. it's a unique set of challenges for those first responders. >> jonathan, it absolutely is a unique challenge. and fighting fire with jet fuel that burns hotter is much different than just fighting an ordinary house fire or car fire, which we had as a result of the crash. so yeah, there's a lot of strategy

and a lot of training that comes into play when you have to respond to these different types of fires that are in one general location. so the incident commanders are able to break this out, assign engine companies and ladder companies. and we saw the hazmat trucks there with the philadelphia fire department to respond and take care of what needed to be taken care of. you have the emergency medical folks there to treat the injured. and so i think overnight now, things seem to have calmed down a little bit as far as the initial response. and so they're going to try to salvage the scene and do overhaul, make sure there are no hotspots. but now in the in a lot of these disasters, the crisis communications is a really important part of it. so now the public information officers are going to be working overnight. we heard the briefing from the mayor, the governor and the state and local officials there earlier. so in the morning and as ntsb comes in, they'll have a morning briefing. they'll get together a battle plan, and they'll see what's happened

overnight. anybody that's called 911 to report pieces of that fuselage, those types of things, they'll get a plan together to come and recover those things, document those through the ntsb and the faa, and then they'll come out and they'll tell you exactly what's going on and try to be as transparent as possible. a lot of unanswered questions. they'll anticipate those. but those public information officers going to work together to try to try to see a lot of times, the information we hear in a disaster or emergencies like these are not really accurate at first. so you want to make sure that all the patients that got transported are all being counted the same way. so just kind of dotting the i's and crossing the t's to make sure everyone's on the same page. because as we've seen in washington earlier this week and we're seeing now, information is really what people are after in these types of situations. >> yeah. and communication to the public is very important. but i imagine communication between the various agencies involved here, jason, has to be absolutely critical. and that

that delicate balance between the first responders having to get in there, save lives, tamp down the fires, and then handing over gradually to those who need to get in and investigate what might possibly have caused this awful crash. so they've got to communicate really, really well in a situation like this. >> that's right. jonathan, you saw this a few weeks ago. it's been a heck of a january, right? we're into february now and we just stop and say a little bit of a whisper, a prayer for all the people in january, for the people in the los angeles wildfires, to the terrorist attacks, to the plane crash, and now to this thing in philadelphia. heck of a month it's been. so having said all that, the incident command system puts everybody at the same table. the unified command is what it's called. so you'll have representatives from state, local, federal agencies all sitting in the same room, hopefully all communicating and all passing that same information. similarly, you'll have the information officers, the communicators to the public. they have what's called a joint information center.

they'll sit into that same area and get all the same information together and bring it all to us. hopefully we'll know more in the morning. >> yeah. jason, you as as a former fema official and a first responder, you have a certain way of approaching these kind of things, a certain capacity to deal with them, that us ordinary mortals perhaps do not. what do you say to people who are watching these scenes from dc that you mentioned 48 hours ago? a little more than that. and now in philadelphia and are thinking, what is going on? how do i cope with all of this awful news that i'm seeing and hearing? how do people like you deal with it? how can those of us in normal life deal with it? >> yeah, that's a good question. as first responders, we have to be on our game and we have to be at our best when you're at your worst. so what

we have peer support groups, things called critical incident stress debriefings. after everything, after the hoses are rolled up, the engines are back in the bay. they'll sit down and talk about this. and they usually do it peer to peer. at first it's just to try to make sure everyone's okay. people handle stress so differently, and if you just think like we're in the moment, we're trained to go in there and help and rectify situations. but if you step back and look, this poor child from mexico was fighting for her life, got this emergency surgery all to get on a plane and just have it go down. it's just just heartbreaking. and so thinking, talking and thinking through things like that with your peers, with other first responders who's been through things is kind of one way to do it. but you have to be the public. also. people are triggered by different things. and so it's important to recognize that there are several text lines you can go to or call a friend for help. just don't keep it inside. if it's bothering you, talk to somebody about it. >> yeah, it's great advice. jason. we are grateful to you

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what was rush hour, 6 p.m. eastern friday night. let's go live now to fox news correspondent cb cotton and cb. it's obviously a little calmer than it was a few hours ago, but i imagine although you're being kept away from the scene for obvious reasons, it's still a hive of activity. in terms of the investigation behind you there. >> jonathan, i would definitely say so. this from all from all looks of it, it's still a very much an active investigation. we can see the bright lights from all the first responders still on scene. we are being kept about a quarter mile away from that initial crash site. but yeah, it's going to be a long night for these first responders. and we know when many of them initially arrived, it was very, very gruesome. i'm told by a firefighters union that there were several casualties in the immediate area. so you can imagine the impact this has had on them. so

tonight, you know, we are grieving with the people here in the northeast who are impacted by this tragedy, and the impacts are far reaching. i mean, not only did the people on the plane perished, people were injured who were near near this crash. take a look. this is a piece of debris. we are told by an employee at a nearby diner that a man was sitting inside when this piece of debris went flying through the window, striking the man, he started to bleed. thankfully, he was okay. he was taken to be treated at a hospital, but his injuries weren't too serious. so that just shows you, you know, just the impacts of this. we also know in terms of that plane, the people that were on board the company who owns the plane, jet rescue, air ambulance tells us six people were on board. four were crew members pilot, copilot, physician, paramedic and a young girl and her mother. we're told that young girl was from mexico and was here in philadelphia to receive life saving treatment. shriners

children's philadelphia sharing this statement, saying in part, quote, our hearts and prayers go out to the families of the medical crew and pilots who were also lost in the tragic event, as well as all of the people who were affected on the ground. and we're thankful to the first responders for their quick action. the company again of the plane said the flight's final destination was tijuana international airport, but the flight was going to make a stop for fuel in springfield, missouri. a company spokesperson described both the pilot and copilot as very seasoned, and he said the jet rescue air ambulance service flies 700 missions a year. he also said at this time he can't confirm any survivors. and yeah, when you look at the video, you can see why the images of the crash were also captured on people's ring doorbell cameras. this all happened just after 6:00 today. the plane falling through the sky, erupting into a huge fireball. several homes also

caught fire. thankfully, firefighters were able to get people out of those homes and everything is now under control. the investigation is underway into how this happened. an ntsb investigator is on scene, and more members of the agency are coming in tomorrow. and we've been talking about this debris field, how big it is. our local fox affiliate reporter says he found oxygen tanks from the air ambulance at least a quarter mile away from the crash site. and now let's listen to pennsylvania governor josh shapiro talking about how he thinks this is going to impact his state. >> i know that there will be loss in this region, and we want to offer our thoughts and our serious prayers for those who are grieving at this moment. the mayor knows, and i want you all to know, that the commonwealth of pennsylvania stands firmly with our partners in the city. >> and temple university hospital also told us that six

victims were transported to its facilities. we're told three of the people, three people are still in the hospital and what the hospital described as fair condition. another three people have since been released. what's not clear, though, jonathan, is where those individuals were in in relation to that initial crash site. but i think what we're all bracing for here on the ground is whether we will learn of more casualties tomorrow when we get some more updates in a news conference. also, in terms of witnesses, we've been speaking with people here on the ground. one man said it felt like an earthquake when that plane came crashing into the roadway. other people were out shopping. some were in drive thrus at nearby fast food restaurants. and they witnessed all of this. and you can only imagine how traumatic it must have been. back to you. >> yeah. you see the you see the dash cam videos, etc. of

people driving towards that. and it really is like something from a movie that fireball. cb you mentioned the upcoming briefings that everybody wants some answers, of course. and it's been a few hours since we heard from governor shapiro and others. have they set a time for when we'll get the next briefing, or do we just expect to hear from them sometime after daybreak? >> we were given no hard time for the next upcoming news conference, but the governor did suggest that there would be another one coming. and i think people are really eager to know when that's going to happen, because yes, this is the second plane crash in less than 48 hours here in the northeast. another one that we were talking about came wednesday night. of course, we know that american eagles jet and that army blackhawk helicopter, that mid-air collision in dc. so people witnessed that play out on their television screens. and tonight there is another

plane crash we are talking about. so people are really hungry and they're eager for answers because you want to feel safe when you fly. many of us travel every day by plane, and i think this has left a collective fear among so many people about going to the airport and getting on a plane, trying to go somewhere and hoping that you get to your final destination safely. back to. >> you for sure. yeah, everybody wants answers in terms of both of these awful crashes that the country has lived through this week. cb cotton in philadelphia. thank you so much, kevin. >> great conversation there. we're joined now by john goglia. he is a former ntsb board member and former airline mechanic. john, i really enjoyed our conversation last hour, and i want to build on that by asking you about the steps forward as we now look forward to daybreak, which will happen in the next couple few hours. walk me through the first steps for, say, an agency

like the ntsb in coordination with the faa. >> well, as it was reported a few minutes ago, the ntsb actually has one person on the scene. they when possible, they dispatched somebody nearby to help secure the scene, talk with local police to put a fence around it, essentially to keep people out and not to trample on any physical evidence. and by morning time, they will have a full team there and they will start the collection of physical evidence. right. which that means is they're going to walk around and they're going to identify the location of all the debris pieces, because it may be important to the investigation. a simple way of saying it is pieces that fall off an airplane 1st may tell you a story about what was going on in the airplane. so they will be looking not only

at the site, but from the track from the airport to the site to see if there are any pieces that may have fallen off the airplane that will occur tomorrow. so the investigation will not just be people where there where there physical debris is, it's going to be scattered around the neighborhood. the distance between the airport and the crash site, they will have in the morning, be interviewing people at the airport, the person who fuel the airplane. obviously, the airplane was full of fuel. that's why the fireball was so large. and the damage from the fire so severe. so they will be talking to the fuel. did they get the right kind of fuel? you know, so this airplane uses kerosene and if it got mixed with gasoline, which could impact on the engines performance because it's the higher temperature inside the engine when it burns. so you have a lot of

pieces that are going to come together quickly. >> let me ask you about the size of some of the debris, john, that we might find in a circumstance like this. you mentioned the debris field could be quite large. it's one thing if it's a shanksville, it's an open field. it's something entirely different when you're talking about numerous homes, residences, businesses, busy streets. i mean, this we could be looking at a massive debris field here, and if i'm hearing you correctly, even the smallest piece of material, if found, don't touch it, call police. but even the smallest piece could make a big difference in the investigation. is that right now? >> yes, that is very correct. and it has actually done that. so we sometimes the ntsb will go to great detail to search the path of flight from the from the airport to the scene, you know, on airplanes on

takeoff put a lot of stress on the airplane and on the engine. and these learjets climb very quickly. this airplane, according to the radar tracks, was only at 1600 feet. so something happened relatively quickly, either directly on takeoff or just immediately after takeoff to get this pilot in this condition, was he climbing rapidly to try to get above the weather? the radar tracks will show us that the ntsb already has that, but they'll analyze it tomorrow. and so all the pieces and there's multiple pieces, not just in the debris field, will come together over the next few days and paint a general picture of what happened. and then from that picture, the ntsb will start boring down on the details that they think initially may have caused or had a role in this event. and

then as time goes on, the focus could even go deeper or it could scatter. i mean, we've been 2 or 3 days into investigations when we uncovered some evidence that took us in an entirely different direction. >> so now that is. yes, that is exactly the kind of detail that i think people need to know. as we continue to watch how this all unfolds. john, really great to have you with us tonight. i know we could probably spend the whole hour talking about the incredible detail that the women and men of the ntsb will have to really pay close attention to as this investigation continues. but again, thank you so much to the former ntsb board member and former airline mechanic, john goglia. jonathan, over to you, kevin. >> great analysis of just how difficult these investigations are as we continue our coverage of this tragic air crash in philadelphia. six people aboard a medevac learjet, including a

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error or if there was something an issue inside that plane that was causing them to have such a traumatic accident. so i think that's what they're they're going to be looking at. they're going to be looking at the debris field. they're going to be all these different aspects of the investigation. once it gets brighter, it gets better. but fortunately, in the area where this occurred in this urban area, it's pretty lit up. it's not like what you saw in dc in the potomac river, where it's very dark when you get onto a river. so this is a little bit different. and i think the investigation will probably move a lot faster because they don't have to recover things from the water. they don't have the danger that they have in the other aspects of what you've seen this week. >> excellent point there. let me also ask you about the collection and the reconstruction aspect of the

investigation. are we looking at months, years before we have a full understanding of what happened? >> i don't i just in this circumstance, i don't think that's going to be the case because typically if the black box is recoverable and is readable and these things are amazingly tough, they're going to be able to determine pretty quickly if it was a pilot error or if it was some type of mechanical or electrical malfunction that caused this. i think they're going to see those things very quickly now, whether or not they issue those results quickly is another story, because they do their due diligence and they do a thorough investigation. but that in this type of a situation where there's no evidence of, of terrorism, no nexus to that type of an issue, they're going to be able to that black box is going to tell them a tremendous amount of what they need to know. >> from your vantage point. and

you've seen investigations like this play out for years. in my capacity as a journalist, i have as well. i am hard pressed to remember seeing a jet come in at that pitch, which raises a number of questions about what may have happened in the sky in the last 30s or so. your impression of what we're probably looking at in this circumstance? >> well, we have seen similar things, but just not in the united states. we have not seen something like this with this type of video. but there's some interesting things about this one. the fact that the engines, it sounded like the engines were really throttled up, the speed at which that aircraft hit the ground, and the vector that it was taking, which is, is pretty straight down. yeah. it i just i just think that what this is pointing towards is not a failure as much as it is an accident in the way that

these pilots thought they were going in a direction that they were not. and so i have a feeling that's where it's going to come down to. but again, the black box is going to tell us everything that we need to know. >> jonathan gilliam, former federal air marshal, thank you so much for your time tonight. we certainly appreciate that. let's send it over to jonathan hunt. >> and we have a fox news alert out of gaza. you are looking live right now at the beach that runs to the western edge of gaza city, in the northern end of the gaza strip. that is the stage on which we expect to see any moment. 65 year old u.s. citizen keith segal, who has been held hostage since the hamas invasion of israel and the massacre of october 7th, 2023, 65 year old segal has been in israel for about four decades. he's originally from

north carolina, but he moved to israel when he was in his 20s. his wife, aviva, was also taken hostage during the hamas invasion. she was freed during a previous cease fire in november 2023. two other israeli hostages were released a short time ago. they are 54 year old ofir calderon and 35 year old yarden bibas. they were released in southern gaza, but that, as i say, is northern gaza just to the edge of gaza city. and we have been waiting now for about an hour to see 65 year old american keith segal. we still expect to see him. we are told he is waiting there to be handed over. the way it's normally happened is they are put into a red cross vehicle and then driven into israel to be handed back to the israeli defense forces, who take them off to a hospital for the checkups that are so necessary.

after so long in captivity. we hope to see keith segal very soon. in the meantime, kevin, it's been an honor being with you on what has been a very tough week for this country. two tragic air crashes over 48 hours, first in d.c. and now this awful one in philadelphia. it's been a tough week and tough events for us all to witness. kevin. >> yeah, very difficult, especially when you consider young people were involved in both crashes. very difficult. but yeoman's work out of you and channel and cb cotton as well. and for the entire crew behind the scenes and in front of the camera, i'm kevin corke in washington for my partner tner jonathan hunt in los angeles. we thank you for watching fox news. >> that made me emotional. >> did you guys feel that? >> too? i know. >> you are really special. what does it feel like to be so damn loved?

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