never took the penny. and now thanks to president trump i am so excited about my new beginning. >> martha: we spoke with your wife. eight years in prison that you lost with your children and your family and there are folks that are still coming after you. or you going to accept an ambassadorship? would you seek an ambassadorship to serbia if it were offered to you by the president's? >> my father came from serbia he was an immigrant, i had a chance to be in serbia last week. it is an economy that is living it economic miracle. wages have gone up for working people, i'm excited for what they are doing there, i want to do the best i can hear and do whatever i can to show my gratitude to him for what he has done. who am i to make that? >> martha: always good to see you thank you very much. that is the story i am martha maccallum we will see you back. ♪ ♪

>> will: live from the heartland of this is the will cain show. it is for a clock on the east coast and at the white house president trump keeps ticking off his to-do list. right now as we speak is in the oval office with elon musk signing executive orders. we will bring that to you the second we get it in here at fox. but let's keep you caught up with the rest of the day for president donald trump. right now american teacher marc fogel is on his way home from russia where he has been imprisoned since 2021. he struck a deal for that release just three weeks into the presidency. also today meeting with a crucial ally in the middle east, the king of jordan to talk hostages in gaza. >> i have a saturday deadline i don't think they will make the deadline personally. tough guy but we will see how tough they are. saturday 12:00 or the all bets are off.

>> one of the things we can do is take 2000 children that are either cancer children or in very all state to jordan as quickly as possible. i truly believe with all of the challenges we have that we can see somebody that can take us across the finish line to bring stability and peace and prosperity. >> will: trump more than just funding cuts. d.o.g.e slashed $9 million from the education department. if that is not enough how about this? >> i have one thing to say just one word. or you listening? >> yes, i am. >> plastics. >> will: back in 1967 plastics where the future. now president trump wants to bring us back there.

>> this draw they gave us a paper strong. it melts. it is horrible. they should make it in flavors. i and of the paper strong we will go back to plastic. >> that might be a 90 slashed an issue. >> about 90... >> nobody likes... >> will: that paper straw might alone one him the nobel peace prize while we are at it. we had a few other things like banning people from getting up on airplanes and rushing to the front the minute the plane lands. until then that catches you up on trump's immediate to-do list. the question is why democrats are trying to sabotage all of this accomplishment. that brings you to today's big

dream. why is the question why would anybody tried to sabotage such an aggressive agenda. first let's establish there is a clear attempt to try to sabotage. i want to give you today's latest a viral hit. it just dropped this weekend it will go straight to number 1. two weeks ago i could have told you the number 1 hit in the country democratic talking points was oligarchy. one week ago it was shadow government. a bullet at the top of the hit chart by presenting you constitutional crisis. >> or you ready to push back against elon musk unconstitutional and unlawful orders? >> trump and vice president france are saying we don't have to listen to the courts that is a constitutional crisis and that is how dictators come into power. >> you do not know how much you benefit from your government and it your democracy somebody comes through with the wrecking ball and creates a constitutional crisis of.

>> president trump and elon musk of breaking the law. it is that simple. >> we will bring back the rule of law and america. we will bring back the constitution. >> this is the future of our constitution. >> this will be a congressional fight, a constitutional fight, a legal fight, and on days like this a street fight. -- fight. >> will: a threat to our democracy? the new tickets constitutional crisis. let's first establish there is and there are court challenges to donald trump. many executive orders have been put on hold by federal district judges across the country. actions like federal employee buyout programs or federal employee spending cuts or d.o.g.e access to u.s. treasury data. even the transfer of transgender inmates in prison and of course of the birthright citizenship order. i don't want to start on third base, and we might, i don't want to sound too

professorial here. let me back up to first base. there are a little over 600 federal digit judges across the country. the with the justice system works is you have federal district court judges that appealed to the appellate court level. nine of those across the country. texas, louisiana, mississippi, and the fifth and california and the ninth. the third and final level of appeals arrives at the supreme court of the united states. among the 600 judges out there you can chop -- shop before one in a blue district that hits donald trump. and the question is does that federal district judge have the power or should have the power to stop the executive branch from hiring employees of the executive branch. that is not quite what happens that creates this constitutional crisis. but let's be clear this is insincere. this is not something anybody cares about on the left. from the advent of the progressive they read the constitution has been

progressive. trying to make it a living constitution. that didn't get from every angle including threatening to pack the court. >> i can't think of an executive may be beyond madison who did not kind of test the outer limits of executive authority. remember it was a barack obama who said i would do it with or without you and those same democrats you just showed at those rallies stood up and cheered on the house floor. and executive said i don't leave you with a cheered. so executive do this and it is up to the other branches to post back. i hate this is being litigated in the court it really ought to be debated on the floor of the house and the senate. donald trump the first president to tied it -- try to test the boundaries of executive power. >> will: insincere and it laid bare when you understand they never once asked to save our

constitutional republic. they only replayed their last viral hit. they want to save our democracy. it has always been a constitutional republic. so i think there protection of all of these different spending programs or insincere. do you think chuck schumer cares about dei in place in ireland to? the question becomes why are they staying on this wall? why are they suggesting any cuts to federal spending are a constitutional crisis? to get the answer to that question let's go to one of the cohosts of the... show. what do you think is going on. i think the why question is really interesting. i don't think they care about the constitution i don't even think they care about these in particular spending programs. so why are they fighting so hard against elon musk and donald trump. >> i think there are a lot of reasons, the most important ones

are first of all they have nothing else. the resistance if we remember hashtag resistance from 2016 is not there anymore. they looked exhausted, leaderless, rudderless, and they are just trying to object for the sake of objection. i think they recognize the arguments they have to make on these issues ring hollow right away or just seem in bad faith. i totally hear your point about that. they don't really care about some of the stuff so much as they want to say not donald trump. really because of a tantrum being thrown by an entire political party and their allies all that once because they don't want to engage in debate. fraud, wasteful spending, things like that, most people that is not a partisan thing. most people can understand what you can get rid of that. that leans into the other reason they object to this and that is because the democrats, and you have to hand it to them, devious but effective, have spent decades building and apparatus

of government. the fourth final unelected branch if you will the democracy. that allows them to get their way to govern, to regulate, to harass, and to support their pet causes and even penton media outlets using taxpayer dollars to do it. this is the first time we have really seen anybody with trump, d.o.g.e, elon musk trying to pull back the covers on this and show everybody what is going on. they realize this is a big problem. >> will: i think this is exactly it. they do not care about the constitution, not worried about a constitutional crisis. they are trying to fight for our democracy, they have been fighting for our bureaucracy. and to see that bureaucracy threatened represents a real threat to what that bureaucracy is for them. power on the left. it did not take long, it took three weeks and it not only have hostages bin released from gaza back in to israel but now steve witkoff has come back home from russia with marc fogel. he is a teacher who was arrested

in russia in 2021 for a small amount i think a small amount of medical marijuana. watch. >> but he called this morning it was a total shock first of all because of the time that he called with the news that. so just an unbelievable situation right now. waiting and waiting to get him into the u.s. and i think the first thing he'll do was stoop down and kissed the ground to. >> will: his family celebrating his release,'s return back to american soil tonight. >> it turns out no surprise to you, me, or this audience, but having a commander in chief who is of sound mind makes a difference. having somebody who was able to look across the table at allies and adversaries and say things that they will take at face

value and take seriously makes a difference. i think we all know that when it came to russia and putin, putin's view of joe biden, what everybody thinks of putin he is a crafty fellow and he can tell that biden should have a blanket across his knees and feeding squirrels, not being president of the united states. there was no have to from the top of the executive branch for four years. that has now changed. you have a deal maker, a guy with an incredibly forceful personality. discussing negotiation and strategy and to donald trump and i'm happy for the family that gets their loved one back today and i think we are seeing whether it is hamas, russia, or anybody who sits across the other side of the table there is a recognition there is a new shark in town,'s name is donald trump, and his deputies as well or not rustic around her. >> will: such a native -- image native to new york city, sitting on a bench in central park with a blanket over your lap feeding squirrels. not sure that happens everywhere

but i know that happens in new york. it is lovely. really quickly, there is a vote tonight on tulsi gabbard being confirmed tonight. all signs point to confirmation. that's when i think was the longest shot of all of trump cabinet appointees but it looks like it may go through. were you surprised. >> i actually thought that rfk jr. was the longest shot but to each his own it. gabbard with the military background i think that that is somewhat transferable to an intelligence background although i come from a cia background so all of these different three letter agencies they all have their own cultures, their own way of doing things, they think they're the ones that should have privacy -- primacy on the mission of. gabbard is getting through largely because one, it is tough to make the case she is some kind of crazy radical when she was running for democrat and 2020. i know she has come to our side and will execute the

responsibilities under donald trump, but also she brings a very sane perspective to an intelligence community which is what are we really doing here? a getting and messed and things we should not be doing, a inking outside the box or going along with the ossified consensus of the intelligence community as it is? i think she will be very effective in the role she knows how to talk to people, she understands barack receipt, i think she is very reasonable and a true patriot. when you add all of those things together it is a challenge. it is a huge and massive bureaucracy. very good had a playing card the football but i do think that she will be able to get some reel reform and she certainly has trump's a stamp of approval to get it done. i wish her all the best. same with kash patel by the way slated to get through as fbi director, another great patriot and necessary to clean up. we talk about the fbi and other time at? >> will: the fbi is a massive.

what you have an open invitation on the will cain show. we are expecting a vote on thursday for rfk. not just patriots but disruptors. that is the key that is thematic similarity. all disruptors. and just a minute you went i will exit this conversation we will turn it over to elon musk and donald trump signing executive orders. i'm curious what you would expect to hear from really honestly the world's two most powerful men. >> elon musk and donald trump i think that donald trump elon musk realize that their strategy of all at once and everything they can has got their opponents completely off balance. we are not tired of winning but we are drowning in winning right now which is fantastic. i think it is setting a new standard for what an executive branch can do when it is focused, has the right personnel, and decides to go on mission, and not listening to

what is being chirped about in the cheap seats at cnn or whatever. and i think that the work of d.o.g.e should be bipartisan in terms of support. finding waste, fraud, and abuse, this is something is something every american should be able to get behind which is why i think the media has been so focused on these are teenagers or whatever they are saying to. my expectation is we will see more of what we have seen from trump and to elon musk which is an important partnership. tag teaming the biggest problems the country faces. it is dream team stuff. so we have a front-row seat that is a beautiful thing i just hope that they continue. >> will: appreciate you think you for being with us today. he is on every day at noon to. and we will see you more on the will cain show. thank you so much. it is amazing to think about just a few short weeks ago going

back a month. the concept of cutting government waste and fraudulence was something that was bipartisan. the idea of d.o.g.e at its inception, a department of government efficiency was something bipartisan. in fact, it was something that democrats were looking to participate in. because the idea of having an efficient government one would not think is left or right. not only has that proven to be untrue, it has turned elon musk currently into public enemy number 1 on the left. in moments we are expecting elon musk to join the president trump in the oval office. today i'm sure they will not only be signing executive orders standing with donald trump signing executive orders. but as has been customary for president trump to take wide ranging open questions from the press. that is coming here and just a moment. from the oval office. in fact,, let's take a moment now and see if we can step

inside the room and listen in on this executive order signing event with elon musk and donald trump. >> mr. trump: this is x and t is a great guy. high iq. a high iq individual. we had a great discussion terrific distrust -- discussion concerning gaza and everything else. we had discussions also about saturday at 12:00. we will see what happens to. i don't see much happening with these people. but we will see what happens. we will be signing a very important deal today. d.o.g.e and i'm going to ask elon to tell you what little bit about it and some of the things we found which was shocking.

billions and billions of dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse. i think it is very important. one of the reasons i got elected. i said that we will do that. it seems hard to believe that judges want to try and stop us from looking for corruption especially when we have found hundreds of millions of dollars worth much more than that and just a short period of time. we want to weed out the corruption and it seems hard to believe a judge could say we don't want you to do that. so look at the judges because that is a very serious violation of. i will ask elon mosque -- elon musk to say a few words and take a few questions. >> for sure. so at a high level you say what is the goal of d.o.g.e or i think a significant part of the

presidency is to restore democracy. this may seem smug think we need a democracy. [laughter] sorry. gravitas can be difficult sometimes. so if there is not a good feedback loop from the people to talk to the government and if you have a rule of the bureaucrat, if the bureaucracy is in charge then what meaning does democracy actually have? if the people cannot vote, have their will it be decided by their elected representatives, the president, and the senate, and the house, then we do not live in a democracy, we live in a bureaucracy. so it is incredibly important we fix that feedback loop we close that feedback loop and that the public's elected representatives, the house of the synod, decide what happens,

as opposed to a large unelected bureaucracy. there are good people who are in the federal bureaucracy but you can't have autonomous bureaucracy. you have to have one that is responsive to the people. that is the whole point of a democracy. and so if you looked at if you just looked and found us today and said what do you think of the way things have turned out we have this unelected fourth, unconstitutional branch of government which is the bureaucracy which has in a lot of ways currently more power than any elected representative. and this is not something that the people want. it does not match the will of the people. it is just something we have to fix. we also have to address the deficit. so we have a 2 trillion-dollar deficit and if we do not do something about this deficit, the country is going bankrupt. it is really astounding that the

interest payments alone on national debts exceed the defense department budget. which is shocking. because we spend a lot of money on defense. and then if that just keeps going we will essentially break up the country. so not optional for us to sit and reduce the federal expenses it is essential. america to be made solvent as a country and the central for americans to have the resources necessary to provide things to its citizens and not be in vast amounts of debt. >> mr. trump: and also can you mention some of the things that your team has found to. some of the crazy numbers including the woman that walked away with about 30 million. >> we do find it sort of rather odd that there are quite a few people in bureaucracy who have

ostensibly a salary of a few hundred thousand dollars but somehow managed to accrue tens of millions of dollars in net worth while they are in that position. witches we are just curious as to where it came from. investing? in which case we should take their investment advice perhaps. but there seems to be mysteriously they get wealthy we do not know why. >> i think the reality is they are getting wealthy at taxpayers expense. that is the truth of it. so we are looking at say well, look at, if you look at state treasury for example, basic controls that should be in place that are in place in any company such as making sure that any given pavement has the payments categorization code, that there is a common field that describes the pavement. and that if a payment is on that do not pay list that you don't actually pay it.

none of those things are true currently. so the reason that departments can't pass... is because the payments do not have a... coded. like mass number of blank checks so you can't reconcile blank checks. you have common fields that are also blank. and then we have this episode of that do not pay list which can take up to a year for authorization to get on the do not pay list. at least we are talking about terrorist organizations. we are talking about known fraudsters, known aspects of waste, no things that do not match any congressional appropriation it can take output to a year to get on the blue list and the list is not used to. it is mind-blowing. all the talking here we are really just talking about adding common sense controls that should be present that have not been present. so saying how could such a thing the rise of? that seems crazy.

when you understand that that really geared towards complaint minimization. so they have to understand the motivations. if people perceive money they do not complain obviously. but if people do not receive money they complain that. and the fraudsters complain the loudest and the fastest. so when you said that they don't make sense and that is why everything approval of payments of the treasury. you don't approve payments you get complaints. but now we are saying we will complain. if money is spent badly, if your taxpayer dollars are not spent in a sensible manner that is not okay. your tax dollars need to be spent wisely on the things that matter to the people. these things it is just common sense. it is not draconian or radical i think. it is really just saying let's

look at these adventures and say is this actually in the best interest of the people? if it is let's approve it if not we should not think about it. crazy things. like just a cursory examination of social security we have people there 150 years old to. do you know anybody 150? they should be on "the guinness book of world records". they are missing out. so that is the case like i think they are probably dead is my guess. or they should be very famous. one of the two. and then a whole bunch of social security payments where there is no identifying information? why is there not identifying information? obviously we want to make sure that people who deserve to receive social security do you receive into. and they receive it quickly and accurately. also another crazy thing to. so you know what a? one of the things is we are not trying to sort of...

the federal bureaucracy obviously a lot of people working for the federal government but not as many as currently. so seeing if we can retire with full benefits that will be good they can get their retirement payments and everything and we were told this is actually an anecdote because we were told the most number of people that could retire possibly in a month is 10,000. we were like why is that? while it because all of the retirement paperwork is money will. on paper. it is manually calculated written on a piece of paper. then it goes down to a mind. like what do you mean a mina? there is a limestone mine where all of the retirement people work. you look at pictures of this mine we will post pictures afterwards. this mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 1955. it looks like a time warp. and then the speed loop, the limiting factor is the speed at

which the mine shaft elevator can move determines how many people can retire from the federal government. and the elevator breaks down sometimes and then you can't know they are retired. doesn't that sound crazy? like a thousand people that work on this. so i think if we predicted those people and say instead of working to carry manila envelopes to boxes and a mine shaft, you can do practically anything else and you will add to the goods and services of the united states in a more useful way. so anyways i think that is an example like at a high level we say how do we increase prosperity? get people to shift from roles that are low to negative productivity to high productivity rolls. increase the total upward business which means there is a higher standard of living available for everyone. that is the actual goal. very quiet.

>> your detractors detractors, mr. marks. >> what? i have detractors of. >> say you were orchestrating a hostile transfer of government and doing it in a nontransparent way what is your response to that criticism? >> first of all you could not ask for a stronger mandate from the public. the public voted we did have a majority of the public voting for president trump. he wants the house, he won the senate, the people voted for major government reform. there should be no doubt about that. that was on the campaign, the president spoke about that at every rally, the people voted for major government reform and that is what people are going to get to. they will get what they voted for. a lot of the times the people don't get what they voted for

but in this presidency they will look at what they voted for and that is what democracy is all about. >> mr. musk, the white house says that you are identifying excusing yourself from any conflicts of interest you may have. does that mean you were in effect policing yourself a? what are the checks and balances in place to ensure there is accountability and transparency? >> we are trying to be as transparent as possible, in fact we post our actions to the d.o.g.e handle on the x and the d.o.g.e website. all of our actions are maximally transparent. in fact, i don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than d.o.g.e. so you know the kind of things we are doing our i think very simple and basic. they are not a when i mention for example about treasury, just making sure that payments that go out, taxpayer moment that goes out,'s categories currently

that the payment is explained, that organizations on the do not pay list, which takes a lot to get there, that actually are not paid but actually they are paid to. these are not judgement decisions, these are about simply having sensible checks and balances in the system itself to ensure taxpayer money is spent while. so a contract with some company. >> there is a conflict of interest when it comes to you yourself, for instance you receive billions of dollars in federal contracts when it comes to the pentagon for instance. i know the president has directed you to look into them. or you policing yourself a? is there any sort of accountability check and balance in place that would be providing transparency for the american people. >> all of our actions are fully public. if you see anything like wait a second, hey, it, elon, that seems like maybe that there is a conflict there, it is not like people will be shy about saying it. they will say it immediately.

>> yourself. >> yes. but transparency is what holds a trust. not simply somebody asserting trust, saying they are trustworthy, what transparency, so you can see everything going on. you can see am i doing something that affects one of my companies or not it is totally obvious. >> president trump: and we thought we would not let him do that segment if we thought that there was a lack of transparency or conflict of interest. and we watch that also. he is a big businessman he is successful that is what we want him doing it. we do not want an unsuccessful guy doing this. now one thing also that elon has not really mentioned are the groups of people getting some of these payments. they are ridiculous. we are talking about billions of dollars. we have already found fraud and abuse. i would say those two words as opposed to the third word i usually use what in this case of fraud and abuse. it is abusive because most of these things are virtually made

out of or certainly money should not be sent to and you know what i am talking about. it is crazy. but we are talking about tens of billions of dollars that we have already found. and now a judge is an activist judge, wants to try and stop us from doing this. why do they want to do that? i campaigned on this i campaigned on the fact is that government is corrupt. and it is corrupt it is a very, very it is also foolish. as an example a man has a contract for three months and the contract ends but they keep paying him for the next 20 years because nobody ends the contract. you have a lot of that. you have a contract that is a three month contract, not normally if you are in a small, and in all fairness it is the size of this thing is so big. but if you have a contract and you are in the regular business and the contract pretty much you know it is it is a contract for three months but it goes on for 20 years.

and the guy does not that he got money for 20 years of. they don't say. they keep getting checks month after month and various things like that. even much worse than that actually. much worse. i guess you call that an competence maybe. it could be corruption it could be deals made on both sides. some money i think there is a lot of kickback here. tremendous kickback. nobody could be so stupid to give out some of these contracts so has to be getting some kickback. that is what i got elected for. that and borders and to military. what this is a big part of it are. i hope that the court system is going to allow us to do what we are going to do. five took all of this fraud, abuse, all of this horrible stuff going on it. we have already found billions not a little bit, billions, many billions of dollars and when you

get down to what it will probably be close to a trillion dollars. a trillion dollars we will find it. that will have quite an impact on the budget. can you will go to a judge where they had to pick a judge and he has a certain leanings that. i'm not knocking anybody for that buddy has certain leanings and he wants us to stop looking. how do you stop looking? we have already found it. we have a case in new york where they tell us pay $59 million. $59 million because it is housing migrants illegal migrants. all the legal i believe it. >> we pay twice the normal route >> [inaudible question by they. media] >> if i may, at a high level,

what are two ingredients really necessary to cut the government budget in half? it is really two things. competent and caring. if you add competence and caring your confidence it dips in half. i fully expect to be scrutinized and get a daily proctologist exam basically. i might as well just camp out there. i will be scrutinized nonstop. and with the president we can cut the budget deficit and a half from 2 trillion to one of. and with the regulation because there is a lot of sort of regulations that do not follow the public we need to free the bullets of america. if we do that that means getting the economic growth. three, 4% may be 5%. if you can get a trillion dollars economic growth cut the budget deficit by a trillion.

between now and next year there is no inflation. there is no inflation in 26. and if the government is not boring as much it means interest cuts to come. so mortgage anything there is student debt. there must be pavement struck. that is a fantastic scenario for the average american. imagine going down the grocery aisle and the prices from one year to the next are the same? and they are you know the mortgage the debt payments. how great is that for the average american it. >> president trump: we had no idea we were going to find this much. it is open it is not like complicated. it is simple stuff. can't believe it. a lot of work a lot of smart people involved very smart people. but you are talking about anywhere maybe 500 billion it is

a crazy the type of numbers. normally when you look at something you find you are looking for one out of a hundred. hear you are almost reversing good. you look for one that is good. and you could look at the title and you can say why are we doing this? and the public gets it. he public's saying why are we paying all of this money. >> senator graham paul today said that d.o.g.e cuts will ultimately meet a vote and congress do you agree with that? >> president trump: finding tremendous fraud and abuse. if i need a vote of congress to find fraud and abuse it is fine with me. people get the vote although there will be some people that would not vote. and how could a judge want to hold us back from finding all of this fraud at? and find the goal of this incompetence? why would that have been? why would even congress do that. if we do need to vote i think we

would get a very easy vote because we have a track record. we have already found billions of dollars of abuse, incompetence, and corruption. >> if a judge does block one of your policies part of your agenda will you abide by that ruling? >> president trump: i always abide by the courts and then i have to appeal it. but that slows down the momentum and it gives crooked people more time to cover up the books. you know if a person isn't crooked and they got caught, every people see that and all of a sudden it becomes harder later on it. so the answer is i always abide by the courts always abide by it. but appeals to take a long time. i would hope that a judge, if you go to a judge, and you show him here is a corrupted situation. we have a check to be sent but we found that to be corrupt, you want to send this corrupt check to a person? or you want us to give it back to the taxpayer?

i would hope a judge would say do not send and give it back to the taxpayer. >> a bunch of it is not even going to american so i think we can all agree that it should at least at least go to americans. a bunch of the fraud operating in united states especially in the... programs are actually fraud rings operating in other countries. we should stop that. big numbers. 100, $200 billion a year. >> mr. musk you said on x an example of fraud that you have cited was $50 million of... was sent to gaza but after fact-check this apparently gaza and mozambique and the problem was to protect them against hiv. so can you correct this statement to? it was not sent to hamas it was sent to mozambique which makes sense why they were sent there.

and how can we make sure that other things you said were corrected so we can trust what you say? >> first of all some of the things i say will be incorrect and should be corrected. so nobody is going to about 1000. adding mistakes acting quickly to correct any mistakes. so i'm not sure if we should be sending $50 million worth of to anywhere. i'm sure that is something americans would be very excited about. but if it went to gaza i'm like okay that is not as bad but still why are you doing that. >> can you talk a little bit about how closely you were working with agency heads as you are directing these cuts? how much input do they have when making these decisions of? >> we work closely with agency heads. so there are checks in place.

not just us going directly. going with the agency heads. and check again with the president to make sure this is what the president wants to have happen. so we talk almost every day. and you know i double checked thanks to make sure is this something mr. president you want us to do this then we would do it. >> you would say i.d. has been one of your main targets. or you concerned that some of the cuts or shortening that agency altogether may lead to diseases or other bigger problems of countrie that is something we work closely with the state department and we have for example funding for evil the prevention and for hiv prevention of. and we are moving faster. but also we fix mistakes very quickly. >> the cause usaid?

>> i think there are some worthy things but overall if you say i would say it bank for the buck is not very good at it. and there was far too much influencing elections. in ways that i think were dubious and do not stand for the light of day. >> they called to the pentagon contracts if you have received billions of dollars in contracts from the pentagon and the president is directing you to look at the department of defense? >> are going to do at the president's request. >> does that present a conflict of interest for you? >> no because you don't look at individual contract. i'm not filing the contract that is people at spacex putting it into the contract. i would like to say if you see any contract where it was with spacex and it wasn't by far the best -- best value for the taxpayer let me know. >> the president to set the other day that you might look at

treasuries. could you explain that a little bit at? what kind of fraud or that question was to both of you. what kind of fraud are you expecting to see right see right now in u.s. treasuries? >> i think the treasury department. >> you also referenced treasuries under... >> as i mentioned earlier really the first order of business is to make sure we are collecting i know i sound like i might enjoy this but he is tickling my ears of. so the stuff we are doing with the treasury department is so basic that you can believe it does not exist already. so for example like i mentioned just making sure that when a payment goes out that has to have a pain categorization -- payments categorization coded. what type of payment is this? you can't just leave payment

blank. you have to describe what the payment is for. so this is why the pentagon, the pentagon passed an order maybe a decade ago may be? ever? and we want to just in order to actually pass order we have to have information that allows you to trace the payments. and once in a while the treasury has to pause payments if it thinks the pavement is going to a fraudulent organization that. if a company or organization is on i do not pay list, we should not pay it i'm sure you all agree. quite hard to begin that payment to do not pay list, it means it is somebody that is dead people, terrorists, known fraudsters that kind of thing. we should not pay them.

which is crazy that we currently do. >> president trump: and by the way, hundreds, thousands of transactions like that. we have a big team. and for the sake of the country i hope that the person that is in charge and the other people that report to me that are in charge allow me to do the right thing. namely make sure everything is honest, legitimate, and competent. but when you look at usaid that was that was we are going to look at the military, going to look at the education. but the usaid is really corrupt. it is incompetent and really corrupt. and i can't imagine a judge saying it may be corrupt but you don't have the right, you got elected to look over the country and two as we say make america great again but you don't have the right to go and look and see whether or not things are right or that things are honest.

and nobody can even believe this. people saying how can you take that person right away? he is supposed to be running the country but we are not allowed to look? and who they are paying get to and what they are paying to. we have massive amounts of fraud that we can't. i think we probably caught way over a lot of billions of dollars already and what? two weeks? and it will go to numbers that you were not going to believe her. and much as i said much as an competence and watches dishonesty. we have to catch it. the only way we will catch it is to look for it. it up a judge will set you were not allowed to look for it that is pretty sad for our country. i don't understand how it could even work. >> any personal guarantee that the buy out the program to federal workers any personal guarantee that the workers that often to resign that will be paid it. >> president trump: they are getting a good deal they are getting a good bios, what we are trying to do is reduce

government we have too many people. we have office space occupied by 4%. depletion wake up to work because they were told not to. and then vied and gave them a five year pass, some of them, 48,000 of them, a five year pass. for five years you don't have to show up to work. and let me tell you this is largely most of the stuff is because of biden it is his fault. he allowed this country when he did on our border, what he did on our borders almost not as bad as what he did with these contracts that have come out. it is a very sad day when we look at it. i can't even believe it's what many contracts want to extend and they keep extending and nobody there corrected it. and i can't imagine that can be held up by the court. and he courted that would say that the president or his representatives alike secretary of the treasury, secretary of state whatever, does not have the right to go over there and make sure everything is honest i mean how can you have a country?

you can't have anything that way. can't have a business that way, of a country. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. marc fogel will be at the white house about 10:00 tonight if you want to come over you can >> [inaudible question by the media] >> president trump: how much? no we were treated very nicely by russia actually. i hope that is the beginning of a relationship where we can end of that war and millions of people can stop being killed to. they have lost millions of people. in terms of soldiers probably 1.5 million soldiers in a short period of time. we have to stop that war. i'm interested primarily from the standpoint of debt. and other american soldiers, ukrainian and russian soldiers, probably talking about a million and a half. i think we have to bring that

one to an end. okay? thank you. >> thanks, everybody. >> will: fascinating, compelling, wide ranging q&a with president trump and elon musk from the oval office. the esthetics first and foremost. card to watch. hard to look away, actually, hard to stop watching what just took place on your screen right there on fox. president trump turning over a remarkable amount of time to elon musk. among these four rooms on the stages i don't think we have ever seen president trump turned over to somebody else was so much of center stage. elon musk taking a wide ranging q&a talking about wide range in conflicts of interest, talking about transparency, with perhaps the star of the past 40 minutes was elon musk's personally i think we might want to him trust a man to scour the government for waste and fraud who does not

waste money on a babysitter. perhaps the last victory comes, little exit managed to clear that nostril out from whatever was hanging and bothering him for most of the executive order signing in the oval office. president trump and elon musk laid out that many people on the federal do not pay list are continuing to get paid. that does not make sense said trump and musk. why is it we continue to pay people who are not supposed to be paid to? he talked about how hard it is for somebody to retire from the federal government. elon musk described a mine shaft of envelopes going up and down to get across the finish line of retirement. musk was asked about conflicts of interest. so a very interesting thing. you said trust is earned through transparency. not accomplished through acclamation, you do not simply say trust me, you earn trust with transparency. so it would be transparent on his own business as of the dod are at nasa when it comes to looking for government efficiency.

absolutely fascinating to hear president trump say this could add up to hundreds of billions of dollars. perhaps trillions we could save by scouring through the federal government expenditures. one other note, president trump and elon musk laid out the types of payments that are going out your door. house of payments coming out of your taxpayer. aligned there. elon musk said in some cases, going to fund terrorists. that is what i want to talk to you about next. absolutely stunning story that was just reported. after years of doing research and looking into usaid funds, they found $164 million going to radical groups tied to terrorist organizations. again, they did a multiyear stunt of usaid and they found complicit and financing g hide. our next guest author of that report, middle east foreign action director who joins me

now. you just heard that from elon musk and donald trump. musk pointed out that federal dollars going to terrorists. you did the multiyear study please explain to me how he was the ideas funding terrorists. >> president trump said that usaid is incompetent and corrupt. and it is. look at the "sesame street" program in iraq or look at the ... that usaid sent to the taliban to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. it is actually dangerous, extremely dangerous. you got it right $164 million to radical groups and $122 million to terror think organizations. that is what we found in review of usaid that goes back to the obama years. and these groups they are not the cub scouts of america. to quote senator john kennedy who took a look at the study.

they have celebrated the october seventh attacks, they have called before the land to be cleansed of the impurity of jews. these are deeply anti-american organizations charities that view the u.s. as a colonizer and a great equal. >> will: if i can jump in just because i'm short on time that oval office assigning with president trump elon musk for most of the program, i just want to list off some of the specifics that came from your study. so the audience understands clearly, we are talking about funds that went to al qaeda, sudan, put in one case, america's most famous terrorists had his college tuition paid to colorado state by usaid. and in some cases hezbollah, a designated terrorist organization, usaid materials found in the same place as weapons caches. this type of specifics we are talking about when it comes to terrorists?

>> absolutely. you had usaid recipients who have recently held meetings with hamas royalty. hamas commander who was killed and around it. he was a recipient of $900,000 recently held a conference it is absolutely deplorable. >> will: it is terrific to think about. and it has been denied, by the way. we have seen condescension saying it is not happening. you with the middle east form have done the study. so when elon musk stands in the oval office today and says some of the waste is going to find think the other side of the jihadi war. thank you so much for being with us at epic is highly that today. so how was it possible we americans spend so much money on potential terrorist activities? me to my next guest can answer that question. former state department official kristian whitman and tim kinney both join us now. tim, i have to start with you. green beret to hear that.

i mean united states dollars going to the other side of the war you fought. maybe not directly with some of these organizations, hezbollah or hamas, but you were in afghanistan, you were in iraq, you fought against this jihadi ideology. >> not surprising. i think every veteran can what denies this special operation that we have seen usaid logos and banners throughout camps in africa and the middle east. absolutely undermines our credibility when trying to spread the idea that is the beautiful thing about america and create stability and security throughout the world so it is a safer world when we go to radical or terrorist camp and then see american taxpayer dollars supporting that radical group. it is heartbreaking. >> will: but, kristian, we just heard from elon musk and donald trump and the oval office talking about how this happens. how these checks go out to. you work the state departments, help me understand how this

funds is something we are so clearly against us americans. >> a couple, two things, one is that usaid has asked him just applied, the real problem with enemy identification. they also have a problem understanding they are part of u.s. national security. a lot of people and usaid don't they think they work for some giant ngo in charge of do coterie and giving handled for the sake of giving handouts. and the idea that to be aligned with foreign policy is alien to them. but the state department of the bush administration usaid was giving lots of food aid to north korea and we said maybe this is not such a good idea what korea can tell this on the black market. defectors and the black market and they thought they would be clever saying queen consort of goldberg said we can sort of get around this. and just cluelessness about it. and you see this with that grant they gave, that scholarship they gave. again the idea you can bring somebody here and he will understand america and see

american and become a liberal justice on happen. one of the intellectual heavyweights of the muslim brotherhood understood ironically and colorado studied there came here, hated it, and said it was part of his radicalization. so they do not understand a political islam, they don't understand how to fight it, they don't understand that giving up money should enhance our national security when we do it. >> will: incredible. i will ask you guys pulled this very quickly about 30 seconds. we have established through the study and you guys both life experience what we have done here, what we have funded with these taxpayer dollars. you both just listen to elon musk and to trump just to hear the way we waste money. tim, not even as part of the war fighter class, just as a taxpaying american your thoughts? >> i am a small business owner and i know in the small private sector we have to count every single kernel every single being untaxed. when i store stuff i, stuff i taxed the property on it, i'm taxed on every imaginable way and then to see the waste,

fraud, and to be is happening in our own government with those tax dollars that is heartbreaking. i think it is i think it is a slap in the face to every single american. we saw that in novemb, demanding change and now they're trying to get in the way of some confirmations, the kennedys and tulsi gabbards in kash patels, we have to push to demand change because if we don't this beautiful republic is destined to fail. >> will: not just heartbreaking, infuriating, honestly. we all have to pay this way with our personal finances but apparently he doesn't have to be done with the united states government. christian and tim, thank you so much peered we like to do this at the end of the show and i think it is important today, will of the people. you have some things to say with what we just saw and what you see on your screen right now. first a mistake i made. there are 13 federal circuit courts, not nine. you are correct. i always think i got that wrong because the ninth, california, is the furthest west so i am reading east to west but there

are 13 appellate courts. will, you've got that donald trump outfit down to a t. every time you wear a red chi, get accused of cosplaying donald trump. another user says someone help will. there is a problem with his makeup between his eyes. i don't think so. what's up, g.o.p. i think it is because i'm tired from the super bowl, 4-5 hours of sleep every night, a little sleep deprived lines on my forehead. two hours of fox to watch, preparing dinner and enjoy a cocktail, life is good. thank you. remember that time you pick your nose on national tv in front of? little x will be able to tell that story or his buddies will tell the story to him years in the future. he was the star of the show with the world's richest man and the president. thank you for joining us from the heart of america. ♪ ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters along with judge