ukraine giving up some territory to russia as part of a peace deal. >> i don't think they are in a position to legally give away territory. it's one thing to say we recognize the reality which is what he's saying, we are not able right now to take back our land, it's another thing to say our land is your land we will except at legally. >> martha: a thorough reporter, fascinating conversation, check it out on the untold story available now on fox news podcast.com, very timely with the deal that is emerging. that is the story for today, wednesday february 12th. the story goes on and it is a busy story, we will see you back here tomorrow at 3:00. stay tuned, the will cain show starts now. ♪ ♪ >> will: life from the

heartland this is the will cain show. back to washington, d.c., where once again democrats hollering about president trump's team and his agenda. today was the first-ever doge subcommittee hearing on capitol hill and despite the fact our u.s. debt keeps ticking up, house democrats still melting down but not over the government waste and not over the debt or deficit. but over the guys trying to fix it. >> while we are sitting here, donald trump and elon musk are recklessly and illegally dismantling the federal government to. >> this isn't about working with the richest man on the planet. this is about empowering -- this committee wants to empower the richest person in the world to hurt people. >> they aren't looking into billionaires who don't pay their taxes were billionaires who get rich off of government contracts, they are looking into elon musk firing watchdogs were supposed to keep them accountable, they are looking at cutting her public schools. >> he sat there in the

oval office yesterday and he admitted he was lying and he was using his propaganda machine to do it when he said we sent millions of dollars to gaza for. >> will: i don't know what would make your heart rate speed up faster, watching that deficit and debt clock per taxpayer continually pick up or listening that ranting, raving and shrieking. republican lawmakers at that hearing with a very common sense message from most americans seem to understand even if it's not understood by democrats. >> we are spending $2 trillion in debt every year -- folks. we are at the precipice of a debt cycle. >> what i would ask my colleagues to get out of the way if you don't want to help. if you don't want to help write the fiscal ship, stop filing lawsuit after lawsuit.

we do not have the financial ability to continue down this path. we are going to save this country with or without you you can kick or scream all the way or you can get out of the way. >> will: william timmons and eric bertelsen join me now. thanks for being with us here today this afternoon. you were in that hearing, subcommittee meeting. i'm curious -- there is a concept i'm sure you're familiar with it's called a straw man and your opponent where you offer up their weakest argument and you attempt to knock it down -- let's do the opposite, let's steal man the democrats let's put their best argument forward. as you sat in that meeting today, what did they say that made sense? congressman burlison, what was their biggest concern about elon musk. >> they are making an ad hominem attack against elon musk, they are attacking the messenger as opposed to attacking the policies. it was a desert of discussion from the left when it came to

discussing any policies what so weber. trying to throw shade at musk. >> will: it was a personal attack, ad hominem attack. congressman timmons on that note, they brought up potential conflicts of interest for elon musk. he does have big contracts with the dod and through nasa. he addressed that yesterday but i'm an open book. if you see a conflict, if you see a problem pointed out and i will address it, was there any substance on the attack of the person conducting the government efficiency audit to. >> it was disappointing may refuse to engage in the substance of the purpose of the hearing. medicaid fraud is real and if we introduce enhanced identity verification and income verification, we can save a $200 billion. why aren't they working with us on that? why are they complaining about

the decisions that the president that 77 million americans elected it really is ridiculous especially considering joe biden tried to sign an executive order to forgive $250 billion in student loans that was clearly unconstitutional. if they don't have double standards, i don't even know. >> congressman, you brought up it's a personal attack on elon musk, an attack on his character and who he is as a person, potential conflicts of interest but it didn't stop there. here's what they had to say about people working within doge. >> he's sending unqualified doge staff to carry out this agenda across all these agencies. in some cases teenage staffers. no accountability, no experience, and problematic records. they are trying to rob you and they are probably a minor. >> will: i believe that was an

attempt on comedy, that was a riff off kendrick lamar's halftime show where he attacked drake with that line from his song, accused drake of being a pedophile. he employs it in your subcommittee hearing about doge. >> this is what we have to work with as people that are doing these things. it would be comical if it wasn't tragic and we are at a serious situation. we got to cut spending. if we don't as i said before in the hearing we are going to enter a debt spiral and that's about 15 years down the road to. it's going to happen, there are members of congress still in office today that are going to experience this. >> will: 300 plus thousand dollars in debt per american citizen, $36 trillion in debt

and believe it or not what you just heard in the subcommittee hearing might have been substantive compared to what we heard from some federal workers talking about -- let me correct myself. singing about elon musk. watch. ♪ which side are you on ♪ ♪ we fight against doge ♪ ♪ we fight elon musk ♪ ♪ we'll fight from dawn to dusk ♪ ♪ which side are you on ♪ ♪ which side are you on ♪ ♪ which side are you on ♪ ♪ which side are you on he's coming for our unions, he wants us all to fail. he wants us all to bow to him but we want him in jail close ♪ ♪ >> will: congressman

timmons, i think you arrived at the new lincoln-douglas debate. >> it's really incredible, these are the same people that are mad we are not using taxpayer dollars to fund drag shows in ecuador, that we are going to have a version of "sesame street" in iraq. we have hit the end of the road. $36 trillion in debts. the american people spoke when they elected president trump, the democrats can help or not, it's up to them. >> will: i will go quickly to both of you here. this is a fight right now about simply cutting the fat, the weight, the fraud, the abuse, the blank checks. the checks going to people who may no longer be alive. what happens when you have a real debate in congress about the substantive matter of spending? whether t that is entitlement spending or the defense department budget, how are we supposed to get to a substantive debate about reducing our debttt

when you talk about cutting off dei plays in ireland? >> this is a political foible on their part to. their antics right now to your point about these ridiculous spending cuts that you can't justify -- the way they are throwing a tantrum now is going to undermine when we get to other issues. the american people are going to see this and say cry wolf all you want. >> will: much of this as we pointed out is focused on elon musk and his staffers within doge. i heard one democratic congressman saying he is not an auditor, he's a tech borough. is there an auditor it would've accepted for government efficiency? >> they would attack anyone who is tasked this endeavor. 77 million people voted for president trump because president trump told them he would fix this problem. he said elon musk would be the

person who helped him. president trump is the one who's accountable, he is chosen elon musk as this endeavor, to help right the ship and to save this country for another generation. i'm very thankful he's willing to do that. >> will: he's worth $400 billion i don't know what they think he's trying to trying to pull out of full ohmic finding inefficiency within the federal government. thanks for being with us today. we are going to try to keep up every day because of the blizzard of activity from the white house from washington, d.c. we are going to institute our daily check on president trump's to-do list. he's in the process of setting more executive orders helping solidify american's unified message on foreign policy. what comes after president trump spoke with russian president biden or pruden and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy today.

the president says he's told his team it's time to begin negotiations to end the war. checked off the list more american prisoners released, mark vogel was released from russia, another american released from belarus. the president's special envoy was crediting the president. >> there is this secret sauce when you work with president trump. it's hard for me to describe it. everybody operates in the same way. it's this can-do atmosphere and we are all out to get it done and he encourages us and that's how it happens. >> under the big item checked off today, tulsi gabbard confirmed as the new director of national intelligence she's pretty and not just her experience, her patriotism and her service but bringing in yet another disrupter into the federal government. she was sworn in inside the oval office, we are to share that with you when that video comes available. she's the 14th to be confirmed.

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♪ ♪ >> will: breaking news on the war in ukraine, president trump speaking with russian president vladimir putin after the release of american schoolteacher mark vogel yesterday. trump says the two agreed it to start negotiating immediate and back to the war than shortly after he spoke with ukrainian president zelenskyy where he was told they are ready for peace. let me catch you up on how we got here. what is the history of this war? ukraine said russia had mass to a hundred thousand troops along its border. that had then president biden saying this -- >> i think what you're going to see as russia will be held accountable if it invades and depends on what it does. it's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do.

>> will: minor incursion seeming to get the green light. fast-forward to february of 2022, russian troops invaded its neighboring country starting a three year war. it's been a deadly war. 80,000 ukrainian troops had been killed and more than a million russian troops had been estimated to lost their lives. fox news contributor dan hoffman and former uss cole commander here with us. today the secretary of defense pete hegseth -- the part i left out of the brief history is from russia's perspective there was fear that ukraine might join nato, putting nato on the russian doorstep. today the secretary of defense pete hegseth said that's not in the future for ukraine. your thoughts? >> russia's concern about nato, that's a kremlin propaganda ploy. vladimir putin launched that war

to topple the government in ukraine. because what scares him the most is democracy. freedom, liberty which is enshrined in our constitution and bill of rights. what he couldn't have it as a neighbor like ukraine with a sizable russian speaking population ties to europe militarily commercially and economically. there is no question ukraine is not in a position to join nato i think secretary hegseth was stating a fact there and they can't go back to those 2014 borders i think that is the starting point for negotiations. i think of the russian side, they probably have had some back channel discussion with the trump administration. i want to be surprised if that happened where they discussed these precursors to start negotiations in earnest. we have a channel now established by this exchange where the administration brilliantly secure the release of mark vogel and it's onward now to negotiations which needed

to ensure ukraine can remain an independent and sovereign country come last thing we want is for them to cast their shadow over europe which we enjoy a $1 trillion trade. >> you and i have a lot of conversations and i respect your opinion -- i think by suggesting that russia was concerned about nato potentially sitting on its doorstep to ukraine is not accepting or repeating a russian talking points, kremlin talking point it really doesn't matter if we call it western economic or military ties, what they didn't want was exactly what you described it. is not something as benign as democracy but something that represented the west, its influence on their border. that's not a justification, that's attempting to understand what russia might've been concerned about at the advent of this war -- it doesn't make them right or wrong it's just attempting to understand their motivation. i agree with you it's a start of realism to say what he said to -- that's not on the table. it's also realism for him to say

the following which he did which is there will be no american troops in ukraine -- watch this. >> returning to ukraine's pre2014 borders is an unrealistic objective. the united states does not believe that nato membership for ukraine is a realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement. >> realism, the nato points -- realism, american troops point, realism there's not a possibility to return to pre2014 borders, what do you make it realism? >> i think the thing you have to worry about is already the united states has created two negotiated points in favor of russia. they will not be able to join nato and they will not go to the pre2014 borders because let's not forget -- the warden to start in 2021, the war started in 2014 with the seizure of crimea illegally by russia back then.

what has happened since then as they have continued this war with a massive amount of loss and destruction of property killing civilians including women and children throughout ukraine and at the end of the day, dan is absolutely right. russia initiated this conflict in violation of international law and there is no justification. the fact that freedom was knocking on russia's doorstep right there is not grounds for vladimir putin to launch an attack. nato is not a threat to them, freedom is and that's part of his problem, he's going to have to come to grips with that but the two points that secretary hegseth and perhaps the president gave up as we are already starting negotiations giving russia terms favorable to them without anys favorable to them without any discussion of where we are going to go. >> will: the problem i'm having with our conversation -- healthy debate is a good thing. explanation and understanding are not the same thing as

justification. trying to understand your enemy's motivation is not giving a green light to your enemy for whatever action they take. if russia is worried about western incursion under whatever guys on its doorstep, we might have to understand that to arrive at some potential peace. i hear from both of you -- do you agree with kirk? we started off here by giving russia two of its big points here. are you concerned with what you just heard? >> i actually think that was probably the requirements to get the negotiations started, trying to see the world through the twisted eyes of our adversaries, starting with kgb operative and the kremlin. that's why i learned russian and disturbed many years there. nato's defensive alliance, with the baltic states and it's

russia t that is the aggressor. that's got to be the goal with whatever settlement is reached in ukraine. maybe they're going to be boots on the ground, european boots on the ground in ukraine and a vibrant post-conflict reconstruction plan to ensure ukraine is no longer vulnerable to russian threats. as long as vladimir putin is in the kremlin they have to be about that. >> will: we have to deter russia -- it seems -- the goal right now is to start with peace, is to end this war and to see how we can maintain the peace. >> i absolutely agree that you have to get the piece, the issue is going to be what we give up to get there? part of what you are doing is this is not just russia, ukraine, europe, and the united states, don't think for one minute iran in pursuit of the nuclear weapons gave them up -- when ukraine gave those

weapons of 1994. there are ripple effects from how this entire conflict is brought to the peace table and what is compromised and given away. dan is absolutely right, rush is going to have to be deterred in the end. >> will: i appreciate this conversation even if we have a different approach to how the conversation unfolds. i appreciate the debate and that's always welcome here on the will cain show. thank you so much. i want to share one thing before we go if i might. we talked about the secretary of defense. yesterday in germany he worked out, he did pt with some of the soldiers based there. here's what i think it's of n note. that guy running with him is gigantic -- more of those soldiers for america. i can't tell you how many texts

i got from people in the military but what this does for morale at the ground level for america's warriors. you may think you can dismiss it as a publicity stunt, i'm here to tell you how many people i heard from this means something to america's soldiers. some judges help in the block president trump's agenda, attorney general pam bondi says her department is going to fight back at. we are expecting that later this hour, to hear from the attorney general. but first, i spoke with joe piscopo "saturday night live" legend on the will cain show. we spoke about his favorite person ever worked with. >> who was your favorite guide to work with? >> my favorite guy, the guy i admire and kind of a mentor and embodies every thing about "saturday night live" is dan aykroyd. to work with -- and i've worked with everybody i've been on stage with mr. sinatra, that was

the thrill of my life but nobody better than eddie murphy, man. ff

and the only thing it can hit is a human body, a young human body and they are loosing tremendous numbers of mostly soldiers. the cities and towns of been largely demolished. it's a shame would have happened to that country it would've never happened if i were

president, would have never happened. and october 7th never would've happened either, by the way in the middle east. but we'll get it, we'll get something done. we will be meeting actually tomorrow, meeting in munich as you know and we are going to have other meetings and i will be dealing with president putin largely on the phone and we ultimately expect to meet and we expect he will come here and i will go and meet also in saudi arabia, the first time we will meet in saudi arabia and see if we could get something done. we want to end that war, that war is a disaster, a bloody horrible war. [reporter questioning] i think we're going to meet in saudi arabia, the first meeting. [reporter questioning] >> we know the crown prince, i think it would be a very good

place to meet. [reporter questioning] probably will have a first meeting and we will see about what we could do for the second meeting. [reporter questioning] no, i haven't. [reporter questioning] i would think about going [reporter questioning] i'm not going to tell you my plan, this should've been done by biden, not by me this has been going on for a long time, years. it should've been done just like the young gentleman i brought home yesterday after two weeks, we worked on it for two weeks, a fine man and he was in there for three and a half, almost four

years. they weren't able to do a thing and i got him out and as you know i didn't pay at $6 billion hadn't paid anything. we did a trade to. and we did a good job we got him out in two weeks. should've been out years ago. [reporter questioning] i don't think it's practical to have it, our new secretary of defense is excellent, pete made a statement today saying he thinks it's unlikely or impractical. i think probably that's true. long before president putin they said there is no way they would allow that. this has been going on for many, many years, they have been saying that for a long time that ukraine cannot go into nato and i'm okay with that. i just want the war -- whether they are or they are not but it certainly would seem to be that most people have said that is something that that's not going to happen.

[reporter questioning] no, i don't think so. as long as he's there. at some points you're going to have to have elections too. [reporter questioning] in terms of what? [reporter questioning] we'll and see that means. when the war ends one thing he was very strong about, he wanted to end and that's president putin who said that, he wanted to end. he doesn't want to end and go back to fighting six months later. we talked about the possibility i mentioned it of a cease-fire so we could stop the killing and i think we will end up getting a cease-fire in the not-too-distant future. [reporter questioning] that's an interesting question. i think they have to make peace,

their people are being killed and they have to make peace. i said that was not a good war to go into when they have to make peace. [reporter questioning] he's going to have to do what he has to do. his poll numbers aren't particularly great to put it mildly. he's got a country that is savaged and attacked, he's got an army that has been very, very brave despite the fact -- we've given them in my opinion $350 billion, that's what the real number. you don't hear that number. europe has given in my opinion $100 billion and they've done it in the form of a loan and i have a secretary of treasury right now who's actually quite brave, he's over in ukraine on the train. does a lot of things happening around that train that aren't so

good and he's going to give document done where we are going to be assured we are going to in some form get this money back because we are putting up far more money than europe and europe is in far more danger than we are. we have an ocean in between, europe has nothing in between. and you know they have in between? they have ukraine in between. as you know europe is putting up money they are getting in the form of a loan and the united states under biden didn't do loans, they just handed money anytime somebody walked in from ukraine they just hand the money foolishly. that should've never happened, it should have never started. once it did, other things should have happened we are getting security on our money, we're going to have it secured, they have rare earth and oil and gas, we are getting security on our

money. ukraine has agreed to it. [reporter questioning] we are but we want it secured and money is going to be security. because if we didn't do that, putin would say he won. we are the thing that's holding it back and frankly we will go as long as we have to go because we aren't going to let the other happen. president putin wants to have peace now and that's good to. he didn't want to have peace with biden, you tell me why that is. [reporter questioning] no but it was a nice thing that he allowed mark vogel to leave. mark wasn't feeling well but he was all of a sudden about two weeks ago, he started to be treated very nicely. they took him out for haircuts, they took him out help them out

a little bit and made him feel better, made him look better. and they were nice to them, he said i saw something happening and it coincided with when i came into office. so that was nice and he is a fine person. he was so happy to be out. he was there for three and a half years plus and he shouldn't have been there at all. they should have had him out much faster than that. [reporter questioning] i think pete said today that it's unlikely, it certainly would seem to be unlikely. they took a lot of land and they fought for that land and they lost a lot -- they lost a lot of soldiers. i'm not making opinion on it but i've read a lot on it and a lot of people think that's unlikely.

some of it will come back, i think some of it will come back, yeah. some of that land will come b back. who were you with? [reporter questioning] well, i think if you look at the war the way the war is going you will to make your own determination. i'm just here to try to get peace, i don't care so much about anything other than i want to stop having millions of people killed -- killed. last night kyiv got hit very hard i want to see people stop getting killed. that were as ridiculous, it should have never happened and that would've never happened.

[reporter questioning] yes, i am, i may do it today and i could almost do it right now, would like to talk -- i don't want to take anything away from this young lady's day because this is her day and i may do it later on i may do it tomorrow morning but we will be signing reciprocal tariffs. the world has taken advantage of the united states for many years, they've charged us massive tariffs that we haven't charged them and as you know i just did something on the steel and aluminum, 25% that will go up at some point. 25% which will level the playing field quite a bit. i did it previously percent and obama was very weak and divided and was even weaker on steel, steel was absolutely -- it started with obama. the world really took advantage of us and that morphed into

biden and what they did -- he was so worried about trying to attack his political opponent that he didn't know what he was doing with respect to countries taking advantage. he should have looked at the countries both friend and foe taking advantage of us. we are going to be doing reciprocal tariffs which is whatever they charge we charge very simply. [reporter questioning] tremendous fraud, there's tremendous fraud. it's hard to believe you can have that kind of fraud to. you're talking about -- which are you talking? you're talking with regard to all of the investigations going on about the stupidity? tomorrow i'm having a news conference, i'm going to read to you some of the names, hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars have been given to and you tell me that we should be giving money to those things, those entities, i think will

probably have to leave as a reporter because you're not very talented to. when you look at the kind of money -- billions and billions of dollars being thrown away illegally and there's no chance, i say it in front of our attorney general, there's no chance there is not kickbacks or something going on. when you get millions and millions of dollars to somebody that stand to look at something for 15 minutes and walks away with millions of dollars, that money is coming back in some form. that's only one form of corruption. the biggest thing is what they do to our country. they are taking massive amounts of money and spending it on items -- i went to a list of 200 expenditures that were made and i found three that looks like they were reasonable. we'll be talking about that tomorrow, we have a lot of stuff. i want to commend elon -- he doesn't need this. he's abused by you people every day, he has found more things

than anybody could find. i think he's got the credibility to do it, i know he does. 's group of people, they started off with 12. i call them 12 geniuses, the start up with 12 and they went to 20 and 25 and now they are up to almost 100 people joining to help them, its massive fraud that's taking place. then you have judges that are activists and they sits there and they say as an example, $59 million going to a small group in new york city. nothing going to north carolina -- nothing. they say we don't have any money because it given the way on the border. what they did to north carolina is a shame and they sent $59 million in new york city for a hotel, for -- what they've done, a hotel that was not luxury that's getting luxury rates for migrants, they are making a fortune.

and we catch them, we catch them. but a judge it says even though it may be fraud, you have to send money in any way. i said wait a minute? we have money that shouldn't go and they caught it before it was sent out but they want the money to go anyway. i think you don't have a lot of things to look at. what's going on with this whole thing and this is just one group. we haven't talked about department of education, we haven't talked about the military, we haven't talked about a lot of things that are very big. you will have cases where you have a three month contract and may be a guy who signs the contract leaves come of it be he gets rich. all of a sudden he leaves for that reason, you have a three month contract and he leaves and the contract is sitting there. the people signing the checks don't know it's three months and it goes on for years.

three months turns out to be three years, five years, ten years. it goes on forever. the guy on the other side of the contract keeps getting check after check after check because elon had an expression yesterday, because nobody cares. it's a great, nobody cares. the guy that signed the contract didn't care, may be there may not be there. you have to care, otherwise you can't run thing like that, you can't run a country. there's so many transactions. thousands and thousands of transactions, if you don't have people that care you're going to lose control. what we caught is billions and billions of dollars, it's a tiny fraction of the real number. you can never catch the real number because people have gotten away with tremendous amounts of money. i said we have to make our

government a smaller, more efficient, more effective and a lot less expensive. we could find a trillion dollars but we are being hindered by courts where they file in certain courts where it's very hard to win and a judge will stop us and the judge will say it doesn't make any difference what you find, you just keep paying the money. i followed the courts, i have to follow the law. all it means is we appeal but that gives people time to cover their tracks and that's what they do. it's a very bad thing that's taking place but hopefully the courts will be fair. they don't have to be very fair, they insist have to be a little bit fair because it's so egregious was taking place. nobody's ever seen anything like it to. nobody's ever see numbers like this. massive numbers, $9 million for somebody to stand in a store and see how people shop. you take a look at these things,

it's a disgrace. we want to make america great again, very hard to make america great again when you have things like this. you're going to see the same thing, the department of education is going to be a disaster. the military -- i see it. i came in, they had a contract done for 5.7 billion for airplanes, air force one with boeing go 5.7, i got it down to 4 billion -- a little less than that, 1 penny less than that. i said it has that for three in front of it, because i wouldn't sign the contract for 5.7 billion. i was able to cut $1.7 billion off the price and it didn't take me long to. 1.7 billion. if people would care they would be able to do that with every signal contract that's put before them and we wouldn't have

deficits, we would have nothing but a tremendously low tax wonderful country. but they have to care. speaking of that, boeing, we are not happy with the service we are getting in terms of those planes -- they would like to get more money. signed a very strong contract, signed a maximum contract which i haven't seen in a long time. they say they are getting hurt by it but they have to produce the product and we expect them to produce the product. they have to produce the product. they agreed to build planes at a certain price, they're not used to that, they used to having time and material contracts where whatever it costs, time and material, no dates and it ends up costing five times more. you look at some of the ships that have been built. take a look at the gerald ford, the aircraft carrier.

it was supposed to cost $3 billion, and ends up costing $18 billion and they make of course all electric catapults which don't work and all magnetic elevators to lift up 25 planes at a time, 20 planes at a time and instead of using hydraulic like on tractors that can handle anything from hurricanes to lightning to anything, they use magnets. it's a new theory, magnets are going to lift the planes up in the doesn't work. they had to billions and billions of dollars of cost overruns. i met the architect i said have you designed the ship before? this is one of the biggest ships in the world like landing at laguardia airport. you look at the waste, fraud, and abuse this country is going through and we have to straighten it out to. we have great people going into the military in terms of we need ships we need a lot of things we have great people, business people going in.

when you look at what's happened to purchasing and when you look at usaid -- when you look at the things they are giving to billions and billions of dollars they are giving to it doesn't make sense. it's interesting when you're looking for frauds, you're looking for items, hundreds of items and you find one or two go maybe if you're lucky. here's something where you look at it and they are all fraudulent. they are all fraudulent except it's the opposite, you find one or two that it's a legitimate reason. i want to thank elon for going through it, i want to thank all the people that are working with him. we have a big group of people, i think the lowest iq is about 160, that's very high. you have a couple one in there. they are doing a fantastic job. he doesn't need it, and they

don't need it but we are showing things and it's going to be -- people have no idea how important it is. [reporter questioning] i like it to be closed immediately. the department of education is a big con job. they rank the top 40 countries in the world, we are ranked number 40 if. but we are ranked number one in one department, cost per people. we spend more per pupil than any country in the world but we are ranked number 40. between 38 and 40, the last time i looked it was 38 and that i looked two days ago it came out, the new list. it came out at number 40, we are ranked 40. norway, denmark, sweden -- i hate to say it -- china as big as it is it's ranked in the top five. that's a primary competitor. we are ranked number 40. if we are ranked number 40 that means something is really wrong. i say send it back to iowa, to

idaho to colorado, send it back to places -- indiana, you have a great new governor. a great senator, jim banks just got elected to. indiana is going to be fantastic -- we probably have 35, maybe 37 states that will do as well as denmark, norway, finland, sweden, they will be just as good. then you have the ones we all know about it will be the same story. but even they will be good to. you look at new york you give it to westchester county, you give it a long island you give it to nassau county, suffolk county, you give it to upstate new york. you have four or five sections. you give it to manhattan, manhattan is a little bit tougher for some reason -- i don't know why it would be tougher but it is. you g give us california and you go to various areas outside of

los angeles and you might have six or seven different subg subgroups. jenna billy if you go to iowa you give it to iowa you don't have subgroups, you have iowa. other places that do a good job. if they do a good job they're going to do a great job in education. those places will be every bit as good as the various countries that do so well. all the time, it's the same countries that are doing well. we have a department of education where people from washington, d.c., who in many cases don't care about the kids out in the country, they don't care about the farms in the farmer's daughter and sons. we have a massive bureaucracy in washington, d.c., we have buildings that are all over the city. the department of education -- department of education on all these buildings. nobody shows up to work because they're all working at home. "working at home." they are not working at home. a lot of them have second jobs

and that's the other thing that elon musk is looking at. those people are good to be fired because what to make our government smaller. [reporter questioning] >> i have a that, i'm back in ukraine. i'm approving but i do want to security our money. europe is getting security -- they're giving the money in form of a loan. nobody knows that. why are we at 350 billion and europe which doesn't separate

with an ocean like we do -- we have a thing called an ocean in between. why is it that europe is paying $200 billion less than us to help ukraine? if you add up all the european countries is a little bit smaller than the u.s. in terms of the economy. why is it they are not paying the kind of numbers they should be paying? on top of it, i've been saying this to bite and i told him i said you ought to be asking for a loan or some kind of security. oil and gas or something for the money. you're putting up much more money and you have no security. europe is putting up a bunch of smaller amount and it's in the form of a loan. because we have people that were incompetent in the last administration. grossly incompetent. and we are changing it. we change it and all we do is we get hit by lawsuits by the radical left all the time. here we are we stand and i guess we've done okay.

thank you very much. >> will: that was president trump taking questions after the swearing in of his new director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard. quick explanation of how this works. you can see the bottom corner of your screen there is a protest taking place over the new education secretary. pam bondi is making remarks which you should see on the fox news channel in the next ten to make 15 minutes. tulsi gabbard swearing and has not yet been provided to media outlets which will also air at some point. as things come in we juggle them like dominoes and we get them to you as soon as possible. what you heard there is another wide-ranging q&a. a lot of focus on the war between russia and ukraine, he said he tried to push for peace, pushed both sides for peace. also talked about tariffs and

how he keeps using them to level the economic playing field he talked a lot about waste, being uncovered within our government. doge. that takes us to today's big 3. what we heard yesterday on this very program was an honest assessment of trying to save the american taxpayer money. the national debt clock currently looks like this, $36 trillion and counting. don't let your blood pressure get raised but that's over 323,000 per u.s. taxpayer. mosque pointed out yesterday his goal and he picks it's possible by finding all of this what you just heard from president trump -- waste, fraud, and abuse -- is to take the annual deficit down. this so much we are in the red every year from 2 trillion to 1 trillion. he pointed out the way to do that is to start looking at the number of federal employees which is 2.3 million federal employees but also to look at why checks are going out to. with no one in the field of pay

are going to people who couldn't possibly still be 150 years old. in some cases it's pointed out, not even americans. >> what we're finding is is not even going to americans. i think we can all agree it should at least go to americans. to convince the federal government especially in the entitlement programs are actually foreign programs, operating in other countries and exporting money to other countries. we should stop that. this is big numbers, $200 billion a year. >> will: in response that this is the rebuttal for many on the left. cursing, yelling, screaming, watch. >> what we are not going to do is stand around when they pulled us believe they are trying to pull right now. >> this will be a congressional fight, a constitutional fight,

legal fight, and on days like this a street fights. >> i don't swear in public and very but we have to -- money for migrants, that's okay now? >> i'm not saying it's okay, don't put words in my mouth. >> would you stop that process? >> don't be a [bleep]. >> chairwoman green it literally showed a [bleep] pick, i thought i would bring one as well. this of course we know is present elon musk. is also the world's richest man. he was the biggest political donor in the last election. he has billions of dollars in conflicts of interest and we know he is leading a power grab. >> if you thought that when rick was low, wait low, wait until you hear a tennessee preacher at a mission baptist church, from the pulpit. again, all of this in response

to finding waste, fraud, and abuse. >> no one likes violence, but sometimes violence is necessary. when elon musk forces his way into the united states treasury and threatens to steal your personal information and your social security check. there is the possibility of violence. sometimes the devil will act so ugly that you have no other choice but to get violent and fight. >> will: calls for violence for trying to save the american taxpayer and reducing the deficit from $2 trillion to $1 trillion. it is time for will of the people. you, folks out here watching, please promise you will never make me have to go through those democrats trying to sing again. i can't make that promise. but it is newsworthy and that singing voice was certainly newsworthy. another user says please don't

play the video, dogs are starting to howl. a great guy, loves his country. even if they lost to the lakers. a great show, unfortunately the president seems to want to take your slot. he is taking my slot here on the fox news channel. linda says love your show, appreciate your professionalism. i appreciate all of that. i appreciate the debate we had earlier on ukraine and the war. this will be home to debate, people will hear when i disagree with them, as well. every day we want to have that conversation and have it with you, as well, as part of will of the people. thanks for joining us as we get to the heart of the matter from the heart of america. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greg: i'm