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♪ ♪ >> harris: we are awaiting a news conference with president trump. he has promised to unveil his plan for reciprocal tariffs matching the rates of any country that charges duties on u.s. imports. if they do it to us, we do it to them the same rate. debit is a plan trump campaigned on. we will learn about the exact details when we hear from him. this is "outnumbered" and i am harris faulkner with cohost kayleigh mcenany and emily compagno appeared to also joining us kaylee mcghee white and independent features editor in chief and journalism fellow for the steamboat institute. jason chaffetz fox news contributor a former utah congressman and former chairman of the oversight committee. but has you today already just
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12:00 eastern on the east coast and trump's conference members coming to be confirmed. robert f. kennedy confirmed for health secretary and kash patel was voted out of committee so that will go for a full senate confirmation vote next week. and we are currently monitoring and i don't know if we can pop this on the screen because you don't see her right now coach about what you see in the far right box is the confirmation hearing for linda mcmahon nominated to lead the department of education which president trump is bowing to dismantle. we are watching. she will pop back up on the screen and a second. haley, when you look at this we are going into focus the vision but it is playing out simultaneously. >> kayleigh: you mention 15 doubling the rate of the first term and you think back to the first trump administration they had to pull the nominee for labor secretary because are powerful in the media and you
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think back to affordable care act and the thumbs down get them by one senator the first legislative priority of the administration. but you look at the success and it is something that takes two political capital at president trump. i would maintain something else, he is tapping into a huge, cultural issues and key constituents, doge widely held across draconian and what are they doing question market is really resonating among gen z coach at the post put out by doge are smart and you look at . and i fear every day for mothers and worried about what my kids are eating here till i'm seeing more allergies than i have ever seen before in the classroom and something is happening with america's children. by making these picks, doge with young people and rfk with mom's, trump is creating a movement in expanding a movement if strategic over t over the next three years as the next three weeks code you have a movement that may last much more than the
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next four years have come. >> harris: jason i picked up on something that kayleigh said in generations. they were so much capacity and you hear about that place elon musk talking about coach at that dungeon where the files are and you can't get your retirement has a federal employee unless the elevator works a certain way and they pull your name and the little pulley can spit out -- it sounds archaic that chance he cannot imagine a world without a smartphone. you can't get into a dungeon out that gave a little more than 7,000 federal employees retirement last year. >> jason: donald trump won overwhelmingly and every metric mode has direction. when two-thirds of the country say you are off trap the next track, donald trump i can get over the fact there is a kennedy in the republican administration of! that is unbelievable to me and tulsi gabbard was a democratic nominee for president and now she is part of the administration and not some low-level thing but a really important position. that bodes well.
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right away and rugby style and locking arms and inching and mat over. that is what is happening right now with the nomination confirmations. the root canal claiming the place is like antiquated paper trail that americans didn't even know existed. the point is it takes muscle and it takes a huge molecule of the effort and dedication to really execute on that. this is not happening with a couple of establishment nominations and a couple of nominees and an actual disruptor's, nono a top-down dedication to claiming is what is happening. >> i want to get to this because kash patel that nomination for the leadership of the fbi was voted out of the committee so that could go for a full vote too is an exchange senate judiciary committee over whether kash patel is qualified to lead the fbi. watch this. >> after reviewing kash patel's record meeting with him and
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questioning him at this hearing, i am even more convinced he has me that the experience, the judgment with the to lead the fbi. >> these law enforcement agencies are out of control, drunk on power and blinded by political infection. but has time to force them to recognize an answer to congress and we, the people. those who retaliated against whistle-blowers should be fired full stock of my colleagues who think otherwise are protecting these whistle-blowers. these are two issues. kash patel is perfectly suited to fix. >> harris: mascara on "the faulkner focus," i talked with white house press secretary, karoline leavitt, kash patel becoming one step closer to confirmation and it was breaking, watch. >> very exciting news and exactly what we expected. kash patel is exceptionally qualified to lead the bureau of investigation.
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don't forget kash patel spent much of his career as a public defender as well as prosecutor and he's been on both sides of a court room and cares deeply about the constitution in restoring law and order and true justice for all at the fbi. we look forward to him doing that periods be when you see them act the boats had not quite come in for rfk jr. he is now the secretary of hhs. look, these were a couple of people along with tulsi gabbard said to be more on the bubble early on in the process. that would be 24 days ago. that was that where are we now? this is rapid. >> what you are seeing is a unified approach in the trump administration where pete hegseth was the first obstacle and wants senate republicans got over that, the rest have them dominoes falling into place. the democrats have never really vocalized a good reason for opposing any of these nominees. they don't oppose them because i'm qualified or they represent a threat necessarily. they oppose them because these
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people represent change and they represent a threat to the democrat's hold on the permanent bureaucracy. we talk about chancy and chancy over support above the nominations that gen z is not afraid of change. in fact, a welcome mat at the federal government level. democrats oppose change for a couple of really key reasons. first, it threatens hold on federal bureaucracy to have the levers have powers even not in office and second, you see what is happening with these nominees. it represents changing of the guard. some of these nominees are democrats, old school democrats. tulsi gabbard, rfk jr. and it democrats have lost. what is he is the change of coalition of trump bringing the best of the republicans and the best of democrats to put up a unified front the democrats literally cannot challenge. >> harris: democrats we know through former president joe biden and kamala harris, they were losing
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that gen z as well, that vote. kamala harris eventually lost a percentage of that that mattered. but what about the alphas being in them? you want to talk about i'm raising those kids. they did all the time and very impressionable going through a pandemic, they can roll. at the democrats were losing them, what is it like going forward? jason coach away aren't they not talking to voters and why are you not in favor of doge and part of what works with that? >> jason: they never figured out donald trump and why appeals. >> harris: he is the president. >> they never figured that out that the democrats don't have the message or key thesis. they run out of ideas and don't have a leader to lead them here to the most reasonable person you see out there is senator fetterman. he is actually there bill signing sense in putting things. but other than him, but did the import? donald trump has grasped this idea of common sense and these are common sense solutions.
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the democrats reflexively say, we are the opposite of that. america believes them they are the opposite of common sense. >> harris: just real quickly, you know this is a president to reach out across the aisle. to jason's point, dropped josh shapiro the governor of pennsylvania who kamala harris decided she did not want on his ticket. who does he have an opportunity with now? his doj is killing people in new york to get rid of sanctuary state status. who does he have to reach out to question expatriate is a great question and i have been watching democrats but most shrinking category of chuck schumer so bill mcginley things that don't make sense. john fetterman is an exception. governor westmoreland of marilyn and i watched an interview he did and three questions designed to bait him into talking and attacking donald trump by name and elon musk by name. he cleverly resisted the temptation to put forward thoughtful solutions. so time will tell but i would
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look to wes moore, john fetterman and there are a few examples in a sea of very loud members on the left. >> harris: we do have breaking news now a source with fox business. fed joke that is our cousin into building that today president trump will sign presidential memorandum detailing his fare and reciprocal trade plan. so now we are starting to get, you know, the context and texture what he planned at the news conference coming up in the memorandum will order the u.s. trade representative to investigate and counter nonreciprocal trade across all trading partners. they will identify trade agreements where there are significant trade deficits that are unfair to the u.s. there will not be an across-the-board percentage tariff announced today. and there will be no tariffs coming into effect today. instead, this will be tasked with investigating and developing next steps tailored to each individual trading
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partner. for example, it says, and fair trade deficit that will be mention in the president's memorandum is brazil and tax on incoming u.s. ethanol. this is really fascinating. jason, a quick response on this. >> jason: i think it makes total sense. if you put a tariff on s we will put one on you. if you want to take it down to zero, make it zero. that is represents of the budget they are coach appellants compare but something we have never accomplished. >> harris: do you like this rather than announcing the tariffs? >> to have it pinpointed by specific products in categories and the people manufacturing and doing the things the united states will appreciate that more than anybody. >> harris: everything for that fearmongering going onto the left, you will will know where s will be changing so you can alleviate the pain for the american people. it is interesting. would a strategy and we are getting it out at the federal judge lifted freeze on administrations payout for federal workers.
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♪ ♪ 's patriot big win for president trump's agenda. the federal judge ruled by l for federal workers can move forward appear to the white house is reacting with this, "this boston buyout ruling is the first of many legal plans for the president. to the court dissolved injunction due to a lack of standing. this goes to show lawfare will not ultimately prevail over the will and 77 million americans who supported president trump and his priorities." the buyout specifically is a key part of president trump and
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doge's e effort to read f reach. 75,000 federal employees who already accepted by out session represents about 3% of the federal workforce. this is a big win, jason and short of what the administration was wanting 5-10% to take the buyout. they are ultimately looking according to reporting 30% to 40% reduction in each agency which i love to hear but a small step and absolutely the right direction. >> jason: it is. look, i feel for the people who have to get a new job that they should have seen this a long time ago. at the did this is severance. they could have given two week notice but this is very generous to have the taxpayers have to pay for eight months so they can go out and get a new job. this is the right direction. we are $36 trillion in debt and we pay $3 billion a day of interest more than we do want
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the national defense. we have to cut back. we cannot be all things to all people. plainly it is happening under president trump, when it is the right thing to do. >> kayleigh: harris, there is this buyout offer in particular and when you read at the very bottom coach i saw this quote from a veterans affair gimmick affairs employee and i couldn't believe it but i hated that i had to believe it. here is what he or she said, a lot of us will stay out of spite. we are here for however long we want to be here. i could be. retirement in 30 years. the trump administration is only here for four. i don't think that is the right attitude for any employee private or vector. >> harris: who told these people they are members of the u.s. supreme court? and get a job until they decide, i might want to step down and let the next guy go or woman. this is odd to me too to stay in defiance many reportedly want t. and trump and other said you
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can't really do these jobs from home. we want to encourage people to come back to the office. that is part of what the buyout is about. when they say they will stay, are they going to stay in defiance you are not in the office anymore? it is hard to protect your job if you are not in the office anymore. if people don't see you they don't think about your promotions and whatnot. what will they stay and do if trump faces things out? what will they be doing? >> emily: we need energy and excitement, emily and people who want to be to be innovative and i love the federal buyout. if you're not happy and in it for the salary, go, we will buy you out! we want people to take the federal government to the next level. >> emily: the point is the choice no one rammed an unconstitutional lack of choice down a federal worker's throat. so the whole point if they chose budget they could accept it and the majority have retirements coming up soon and made the decision for the blessed families what is best for them. when i was a federal attorney, i
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think about the route and the rot that was so deeply entrenched. this is the way it has always been done that remembrance congress or send out the salaries of everyone, there is a certain expectation for productivity. there was a lot of rounds in the government that may not be quantified but are. for example even an social security administration, there is a certain amount of decisions pumped out per hour per day. that is the metric to use for productivity. so congress said, well, we expect to know a portion of x to be the model here. that is what you have to strive for. how many employees walk in and say, well, on doing what expected to. there was a large portion of people that refused to do anything more because unlike the private sector, there was no competition. when the left arc is 25%, which is the goal, 25% results only 1% of the budget, the point is that is the salary. the waste, fraud, appears in any patient any patients a, the
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$3 trillion the last three years in improper payments and $8 million a year and social security. those are the factors the salary and the people occupying for seats are the first domino in the long train and always welcome here to that attitude you read out is the last thing we meet in public servant. >> kayleigh: we are seeing it in a spy, kaylee. >> kaylee: it makes democrat opposition for trump's buyout offer so ridiculous in the first place. i can't believe they made a legal challenge because you simply won't find sympathy for the argument people who have been enjoying's cushy six-figure salary the past how many years offered free eight month vacation at the expense of the taxpayers, these are not victims. i can, it is a losing argument to fight against what trump and elon musk are trying to do here. if you go back to the average american worker the average salary $60,000 a year. tell the average federal employee salary is well over six figures. that is on average.
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so we can go to get one not find sympathy from them. there was also the pack federal employees have been and joined the american dream they have destroyed for everyone else. job security. they have enjoyed cushy benefits very few workers get so you will not find sympathy. >> harris: that is a great way to put it. >> that is the quote of the day, they are enjoying the american dream that they destroyed for everyone else. well done, kaylee. a cup suing and shielding illegal immigrants from law enforcement. now she is warning other states could be next. >> if you don't comply with federal law, we will hold you accountable. we did it to illinois. strike one, strike two's new york. if you are a state not complying with federal law, you are next. geo bet ready! ♪ ♪ help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need,
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new lawsuit against the state of new york, governor kathy hochul in the state attorney general, letitia james. u.s. attorney general, pam bondi, says new york sanctuary policies are violating federal law. watch. >> new york has chosen to prioritize illegal aliens over american citizens. it stops, it stopped today! as you know, we sued illinois and new york didn't listen. so now, you are next. they have a tip-off provision that requires new york's dmv commissioner to promptly inform any illegal alien when a federal immigration agency has requested their information. so think about the men and women in law enforcement behind me. that is basically -- it's not basically, but is tipping off illegal alien and it is unconstitutional. if you don't comply with federal law, we will hold you
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accountable. we get it in illinois, strike one, strike two's new york. if you are in a state not complying with federal law, you are next! get ready! >> emily: as expected, new york is in a state of hysteria with attorney general teacher james firing back, "our state laws including green light law protects the right of all new yorkers and keeps our communities safe. i'm prepared to defend their laws as i always have." here is governor hochul's response. "we expect pam bondi's worthless lawsuit to be a total failure just like all the others. let me be clear, new york is not backing down." difficult for me to read that with a straight face without a fact-checker because at the end of the day, the law is not on their side. they can be clear all they want but it will not work out in their favor. >> jason: attorney general pam bondi is right. people here illegally committing crimes, law enforcement and people who put their lives on the line coach i think is their
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family goodbye and they strap on a fast and put a gun in a poster and put on a helmet to root these people out. and now the politicians in new york are going to tip them off? that i.c.e. is coming to get you or they want to inquire about your information? you can't do that in this country! that is so backwards. where is the priority to say we will protect victims and take care of the public to make sure they are safe. none of that is in place! it is so offensive to do that and for the men and women that don't make a lot of money put put their lives on the line, god bless you. you are having to fight against them. i hope pam bondi and kash patel takes all of them down! every single person from the governor on dam, you cannot do this in the country. you do not tip-off somebody who is being acquired to look at because law enforcement wants to have a discussion with you. you get cannot get that! >> emily: exactly to your point, the mother of someone who
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was viciously murdered here just one of many, templates with pam bondi when making this announcement. >> her murder was able to come across the border knowing that he was flagged as ms-13 gang member. many had a criminal record in 2020 in el salvador for illicit gang activity. i have been sharing her story over two and a half years to bring change because this should have not ever happen to kayla and it shouldn't be happening to other families being hurt by the border. homeland security did not do their jobs. >> emily: so kayleigh, i'm curious the attorney general talks about the safety of all new yorkers are the governor talks about this lawsuit being worthless, is that what they are calling for his angel mom and the life of her child? >> kayleigh: yeah, i think it is a fair question to ask. you have two approaches you can take its chief executive in this
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country at your state level. the cooperative model or the obstinate model. we have seen eric adams, he is mayor at the city in new york city take the cooperative model. sit down and how can i help question what i want to help! you have kathy hochul, who according to cbs, they are saying she was supposed to meet with president trump today and pulled back and said let's reschedule for next week. we don't have that reporting. that is cbs. but it would appear she is taking the obstinate model. here's the thing the stopper and i will not work with you and be defiant model has human cost. you just heard from ms. noble's there. we know in the city jose ibarra the killer blake and kayla dominic laken riley was arrested on -- what was he given a state with taxpayer money at the roosevelt hotel? humanity during flight down to georgia on your time question like that is the cost and that was not the time for stubbornness, up and obstinate. be like eric adams and sit in
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with the trump administration and work with them because human lives are at stake. >> emily: it is the decision-makers that are resisting aren't actually walking the streets here. i live here and we don't feel safe. i'm from california we talked about before one county san jose where larson was murdered after six detainers ignored from her and wanted for murder and multiple felonies, murder and ended up murder 1,000 a year of minimum retainer request and 30% for murder. how much is enough, governor and attorney general? >> harris: one! >> emily: one is one too many and it seems they haven't gotten what new yorkers want and americans want is the safety that they won't provide. >> harris: i don't know if walking down the street is the calculus that we should be making after they lived in the state of new york, the state as a sanctuary. new york city is a sanctuary and we know this among the illegals here. 58,000 of them are criminals.
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forget about the original crime that they committed coming across the border illegally. but they have become violent either before or since they have been here. 13,000 of them are known to commit violent crimes. i don't think you have to walk down the streets of new york. look how long it took governor local to put someone in the subway when mayor adams could not clearly get it done to protect americans down there. no, not all the people committing crimes were illegal aliens coach about some of them were. she sent down the national guard and did it twice. she is the one that cannot solve a problem. i'm not waiting for her to solve the streets of new york to clear this one up. she can't solve a problem when she sees it. so canceling on the president of the united states to go to the white house? she is shortsighted! but again the problem involves her in letitia james, somebody who campaigned on getting trump. the irony and the richness letitia james is in the crosshairs over the issue of border. and illegal immigration of this
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president. i mean coach await his blaring. she try to go after him and he actually has a legitimate reason for the doj to look at her. >> emily: the woman who knows how to solve it is attorney general who is. >> kaylee: kathy hochul and letitia james better buckle up because pam bondi is playing nice in the sandbox with him. she could immediately strip all state and federal funding. that is on the table if they refuse to comply with federal immigration law. what is telling here new york is not on the wrong side of this legally but also on the wrong side of this politically. just last week, there was a poll nearly 60% of americans support trump's immigration efforts coach is specifically his mass deportation efforts. new york, not only are you on the wrong side of the law but public opinion and voters will continue to punish you for it. >> emily: fingers crossed. coming up, elon musk exposing federal retirements are processed inside of an old limestone cave hundreds of feet underground. that you have to see it to
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music on the doge and elon musk exposed underground mine. it is ten pennsylvania and seemingly in the middle of nowhere. but with a united states federal government stores and processes retirement applications. here is how elon musk described it. >> there is a limestone where we restored the paperwork and you look at the pictures afterwards. this looks like something out of the 50s because it started in 1955. so it looks like a time warp. and then the speed and limiting
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factor of the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move determines how many people can retire from the federal government. and the elevator breaks down sometimes and then you can't retire. doesn't that sound crazy? like a thousand people work on this. >> wow! a group of anonymous employees told the office of personnel management they don't have an elevator, but nonetheless, look at these pictures. this is stunning! all of the paperwork stored right here. it looks like a time warp. you can see inside this facility these massive columns of limestone holding it all out. millions of paper files are stored right here! according to doge every month the facility takes 10,000 applications for retirement andy by hand here too but it's unbelievable that the government of the world's foremost superpower processes is retired
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applications 230 feet underground. there is one person who is not surprised by it and he's heading in the middle of our couch in his famous jason chaffetz. >> jason: i have to tell you, there were a lot of torches like this in corporate america uses them all the time. the i did you have to do this by hand and it's not automated is ridiculous. elon musk is 110% right. if you want a secure facility with temperature controlled impervious to people getting into, a lot are used throughout the country for corporate america, a lot of caves. elon musk, welcome to the show because we have been talking about this for a while. into the military coach with a process rank advancement and pay increase with punch cards. they literally have to keep these 80-year-old people employed because they were the only one that knew had to fix the machines. >> kayleigh: "washington post" with a deep dive, kaylee and depressed because they don't
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have windows and i don't blame him. i would be too. it is interesting. this is what woelfel found held up by the paperwork in the minds runs as slowly as it did 1977 during the past 30 years. administrations have spent more than $100 million to automate the old fashion process in the mind and they can't run at the speed of computers. they could not. i know one man who can and maybe it is the guy is to sends rockets to space with spacex. >> kaylee: you don't see the democrats are the bureaucrats depending the programs. they never depend on merit here to the never say it is good we keep all of our retirement paperwork, 230 feet behind the below the ground. it is good we sent shipment wherever in the well because of these very specific reasons. their only argument it is bad elon musk is trying to change it for unspecified reasons. that is not a good explanation
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here because if you can't depend something on merit, what is the point of keeping things as is? why cannot elon musk come in and try to update the systems, to change things to make them more efficient and more efficient for the taxpayer? >> on efficiency, jason chaffetz, something you found out about floppy disks. >> this is an 8-inch floppy disks. it takes 3.2 million of these to equal one flash drive. so you can go get a flash drive down, you know, best buy or you can get 3.2 million of these to get the same amount of data stored. emphasis deal with the what the department of defense is using. >> kayleigh: quite a visual. >> jason: it is absolutely stunning. i went on a awacs airplane to check it out and this is 2010. they were excited because they were just installing windows 95! to put out a pound a, the most
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archaic system out there i guarantee places still using windows 95. >> harris: those are not the mentos we are looking at in the dungeon. they wanted real windows. two things hit me, there is a sea of litigants out there waiting for the retirement to be processed. they are hand counting 10,000 a year and for one year we looked at the number they did was a little bit more than 7,000 or to not only is it in the patient, it is cruel or too if you're waiting to retire and eat that process after you spend your whole life doing something for the federal government and they are so inefficient that they can't even thank you properly. if you think think it shouldn't come with money, i don't know what planet you live on. another thing, way are they quibbling over elevator or system? i want to quibble over why it is in the basement. at least it is limestone and back and pull out a little bit of humidity. pay is that why it is in the basement?
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a thousand people and are they on the list of retirement because then you have double jeopardy. i think people come out of the word work and i've been waiting for my retirement to be processed and now i know why it hasn't been. >> for dear respect for the wonderful company that does that and the employees working hard, the issue is not the cave and it's not the antiquated system d 100 million to automate it but f funding but the lack of ingenuity and leadership think this will be executed. when we think about the medical records they have been digitized and we know with the health care you have to lock onto a portal now go to law firms the same. why not the federal government? when i think about the security of the facility and the use of the caves and protection of data privacy, i laugh at the fact my information on the 92 million americans this information breached during the opm hack of the government, the
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point is this type of mountain is not needed because a, we get breached anyway or we did under the prior administration and b, this not the kind of information cia needs to preserve. it needs to be automated. to your point outrageous shrieks about they should be what is uncovered and not about the messenger and should not be about the attempts to change it. at the end of the day, with who went security at federal workforce, the safety of brave war fighters in uniform, we have to get with the times. >> harris: i would add, we have to hang onto paperwork for internal revenue code, irs, internal revenue code service for seven years. they pad step down there for decades. if we have to keep up with that shorter -- i'm wondering, what are they hanging on to? >> kayleigh: it is a balance because computer systems can fail and be active so we need some efficacy. but regardless, i would not go down in a cave. >> harris: let's go!
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>> a pig after name coming up at the white house and president trump signing executive orders with race or ethical trade plan. we will have the action from the oval office just ahead. standby for that. are the cage and you're about to be sworn in hhs secretary. we will have that and all of that the federal border and the war in ukraine and the unknown unknown. i'm john roberts and come join sandra smith and me at the top of the hour for "america reports." we will see you soon. >> emily: senate minority leader chuck schumer has been pulling out all the stops to block as net transit agenda and his latest move go to a tip line! schumer is promoting it on social media claiming it is for anyone who wants to expose corruption, abuses of power and threats to public safety with legal protections have being a whistle-blower. so, i guess, jason, is he helping out picture kash patel, pam bondi, elon musk all-in-one? this administration is committed
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to do anyway. just we try to drag chuck schumer and 2025 and it's a hard lift and i don't know if it will happen. but on the yellow shirt and quit back on your tie and work on frying burgers. >> emily: kayleigh, for goodness sake do we have a legislation that legislature? could my tax dollars go to a fruitful salary? >> kaylee: not in the trump administration they are worried about virtual signaling. i hope elon musk cements every product, waste, corruption doge the chuck schumer to plan. it is true, all of the step basically out in the open for anyone who has eyes to see it for years. what trump and elon musk are proving it was never a matter of political possibility but a will to read it out. >> emily: new york, please, for goodness sake look within the state's borders and work on something that will make a difference.
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>> kayleigh: listen to this coach at this as a snitch line! this has more of a trend than one-off. i immediately thought about tim walz during covid. he have a snitch line for neighbors to post a whisper about a neighbor and report to the government. now we have a snitch line for the trump administration. go back to the drawing board and come up with something that better i assure you. >> harris: they will not dip dig up anything and they work appeared to it they want to do this job, way are they again doge! it makes no sense to me. doge is doing what democrats could do the last 90 days at president biden's presidency? they knew it was coming and trump said during the campaign. who didn't know this was coming? maybe they have named it but you knew this was coming. they could have gotten a jump-start but this isn't real. if you call that wind, i don't know, will you be the only one calling it? >> emily: we should reframe is
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