hhs where they actually started from. so she is trying to basically paired the department of education down and make it very, very small lean and mean until eventually they feel they can convince congress it is not needed anymore. >> martha: a very interesting mission to shape it up and lean it down and then figure out if we need it. formal education secretary said after four years of running it she realizes on her mind that students would be better off without it. thank you for your coverage i was good to see you. that is the story for february 13th. is always the story goes on tomorrow on the story attorney general pam bondi joins me so stick around for that speaking about without the strengthens of the chosen, the will cain show get started right about now. we will see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ >> will: live from the

heartland this is the will cain show. 4:00 on the east coast. as we have come to learn that means president trump is doing something. right now sending executive order so let's listen in to my cohost. >> as a lot of countries do including our allies and their enemies having to do with trade and this has been going a long. this is why we have the 36 trillion-dollar amount of money that we owe, we owe $36 trillion but that would wrap down. likewise preventions will be made -- made for nonmonetary tariffs and that is where they charge him they do thanks that aren't there is no doubt or amount. they do tests on cars like dropping a ball ahead of a car and if the hood does not withstand it which no hardwood except for an army tank then they say i'm sorry you can't send your car into a certain country.

as a nonmonetary tariff. so this is in order to take economic advantage. likewise the provision is for the nonmonetary tariffs and some countries charge but most countries, many countries has something to that effect. or if they do not even that the u.s. businesses operate. and some countries they just won't let us even up right there. they charge us a lot but they won't even let us go into. and we have many of them. and secretary of commerce standing right behind me what he is going to be doing is he is going to come up with a number that is an equivalent to that. but in many countries quite a few they don't let us do business. they effectively don't let us do business. so we will put a number on that

that is a fair number. we are able to accurately determine the cost of these nonmonetary trade barriers and we will be able to do that very accurately. it is it fair to all of. no other country can complain and in some cases of the country feels that the united states would be getting too high a tariff all they have to do is read deuce there tariff in which case we will pay the same thing. so if they have a tariff and they complained that all they have to do is reduce the tariff or not charge i think there will be certain countries. it is already happen. i believe i heard that the e.u. today or yesterday lowers the tariff for their cars to .5% because that is what we charge. and they lowered it from 10%. but 10%, to .5 that is a big window. it never happened but nobody did

anything about it. sitting in this lovely chair. if you fracture a product in the united states. so if you build your product in the united states no tariffs, nothing. come back to the united states build their product to make their product in the united states because there will be no tariffs, nothing. for many years the u.s. has been treated unfairly by other countries both friend and foe. the system will immediately bring fairness and prosperity back in to the previously complex and unfair system of traded. we had a very unfair system to us. everybody took advantage of the united states. america has helped many countries through the years. what we have done for them and treat us fairly. we want a level playing field for all american a level playing

field for the united states of america. amending the secretary of state. secretary of treasury and the united states trade representative to do all of the necessary work to deliver reciprocity, in other words reciprocal system of traded. so we will have a reciprocal tax. whatever they charge we charge. if they do not let us and we will determine but overall it will be a very simple system. whatever they charge we charge. so nobody can complain. i don't think anybody can complain. i will sign this and the numbers are going to be very fare but staggering. they will be large but very fair. and that should have been done years ago. with tariffs and taxes took in hundreds of billions of dollars no other president as you know

ten cents but that was a few countries. now we are doing that with other countries. so this is essentially when they treat us fairly we treat them fairly. a very fare way of doing it. not that it has ever been dead before but that is the way i like to ask the secretary of congress to say a few words, please. >> reciprocal tariffs sound fair. but when you understand how brutally unfair the world's trading has been since we open ourselves up after world war ii. we tried to export the power of our economy to rebuild the world. what happened since then as everybody else taking advantage of us. some countries like what the president spoke about, 20% on everything we sell just casually. when we sell to us of course we dropped that 20 right away. it is an export subsidy if you

will. so we will address each country one by one but here is the key. they will get invitation to trade with the greatest consumer economy and the world to. greatest consumer economy in the world of. treat us the way we are going to treat you it will be the same. but no more inviting bad people to the party. is the president spoke about with mexico and canada, if we gave them the greatest invitation ever, right? your neighbor and your friend to trade for free with us and what did they do? china came in? right. steel by india, aluminum done by australia. we have australian aluminum mines operating at 90%. and u.s. mines viewing the method of production 50%. come again so the president is

keenly aware or keenly focused on changing this model. fair to each country but no inviting any other country. >> mr. trump: kevin can you say a few words, please? >> one of the things asking us to look into the numbers is that last year u.s. companies perform governance -- governments $370 billion of tax. the u.s. gathered 57 billion. as we paid them and they paid us 57 billion. and when people say you are doing this to rethink why would you do that? it is so unfair. let's think about this they have three quarters of world gdp, we have one quarter of all gdp, and we are paying that $307 billion. >> mr. trump: it is amazing. >> thank you, sir. >> mr. trump: big numbers. mr. trade rep if you would like to say something.

congratulations. i watched you two days ago one television needed fantastic. >> thank you, sir. you make it easy for me, mr. president. we have a trillion dollar deficit coming out of the last administration we can't have that anymore, 60,000 factories lost or in the period of globalization. all of these things have harmed our workers harmed their families and our communities and that stuff that stops right now. we are going to look at everything, certainly look at the tariffs, but also look at subsidies. going to look at taxes that are discriminatory. other countries that try to regulate our companies. like you get all of these things. and figure out exactly what we should be charging other countries. >> mr. trump: going to be very easy. who. >> president trump: going to be very easy. >> tariffs a bad around the world they are higher than we have ever had to. monetary barriers imposed to us.

president trump was right to single out for example that tax. there is a reason why germany sells more cars to everyone than we sell to them. it is not american craftsmanship, it is not american design. it is simply unfair trade practices. and that is a killer, it is a hidden tariff, it is also as a secretary ludwick said it is ahead and export subsidy. 20,000 other differential between when we tried to sell them a car and we try to sell a car and that will stop with this manner. >> president trump: i want to say that actually tariffs are good to. and the problem is we do not charge them, everybody else did. they charged us but we didn't charge them because we were generation or foolish are stupid to. or all of the above.

so this is one of the biggest i think economic bills ever said and i think probably the biggest in terms of what it represents. now this doesn't include what we did a few days ago with the steel and aluminum. that is over and above this. cars will be over and above there's a what is coming shortly. take a look at the chips in various things in this world that will be over and above. also pharmaceuticals over and above. so those elements will be over and above. otherwise this is covering pretty much everything. and it is going to be great for the united states unfair for the world. we can charge just a flat tariff and that would be in many ways easier. you could make a case that would not be fair to other countries. remember whatever they charge we charge. so whatever they charge us we charge them. and they charge us nothing we charge them nothing.

and it works that while. we would be happy to have nothing and nothing. but to me it is something that i am very probably doing. it should have been done many, many years ago. they were doing it now do a good very late because we were very foolish. and we are doing it now. that is a good one. >> mr. president, you won the white house in part because of high inflation. if you're tariffs make prices go up. >> president trump: excuse me. i didn't ask you to speak yet, please. >> will: that is president trump assigning more executive orders from the executive office.

also talking about tariffs of. alongside his economic team and pushing countries to build their products here in america are prepare for a reciprocal tariff. seeking what is clear, fair trade, also monitoring what is going on outside the white house. we expect the president to greet india's prime minister modi sometime soon. they will then move into the oval office and hold a bilateral meeting. we will monitor that as well and i'm sure taking it to you directly seeing from president trump. we expect, by the way, prime minister trump and -- president trump and prime minister modi to be scott -- discussing tariffs. >> if you build here no terrors whatsoever and i think that is what is going to happen. our country flooded with jobs. canada has been very bad to us with trade and now canada will have to start paying out. i spoke to prime minister trudeau on numerous occasions and the young people are

being killed at levels nobody has been seeing since world war ii. and it is a ridiculous war. a good talk with president putin i had a good talk with president zelenskyy. very good talk. a lot of people interested in tiktok and i hope to be able to make a deal. it would be good. people have learned it is very popular. and we will have to probably get approval from china. taiwan took our chips. we had intel we had these great companies that did so well and it was taken from us we want to get the pharmaceutical and drug business back to where it should be. dealing with president putin. really an understanding that we were going to need nuclearize -- denuclearize. straighten that all out. one of the first meetings i want to have is with the president of china, president putin of russia, and i want to

say that's cut our military budget in half. waste, fraud, and abuse. >> will: so that press conference and the subsequent executive order signing on tariffs many things on the presidents to-do list today. let's catch up. one big item checked off secure another cabinet monitor -- member. senate confirming rfq jr. as new health services secretary. also a big one when it comes to federal worker by else. a judge is allowing the president's plan to move forward. so far around 75,000 federal workers appear to be taking the deal. over at d.o.g.e more cuts. elon musk assess the captured more contracts to save the taxpayer more than $150 million. so that is a lot going on today at the white house as always. here to react on this day is the host of a "fox & friends" weekend. one of my friends charlie hurt.

so you just watch that along with the rest of the nation. president trump really delve into his motivations for signing these tariffs. i listened and i listed off a couple of the motivations that people talked about. one thing he did not hear about by the way with revenue generation. the idea that terrorists would be the way that the federal government raises money in the future. instead what i heard was a focus on two things. a form of protectionism in that let's bring jobs back to america. you heard mentioned there that 70,000 factories have disappeared in america since the year 2000. but the more important thing they all focused on was essentially fair trade it. we want a fair deal on the world stage. >> of course. and conservatives in the united states are always talking about fair and free open trade. but what are the things that sort of runs in the face of that is the idea that if you have trade deals been negotiated by different governments, is that really free and open fare trade?

usually it is not. it means that the governments are involved in some way. and donald trump recognizes that and recognizes that the united states because of our largess because of our generosity quite frankly we are often on the short end of the stick for a lot of these things. and very unapologetic. we saw a moment ago peter navarro saying that tariffs are bad but if they are going to have them we need to have them to. and president trump says that tariffs are great we love tariffs because he is willing to embrace it and say no, if we are going to have trade with other countries, then we want to take advantage of it. and i love the other think he talked about earlier today mentioning the idea of having we have an internal revenue service. what about an external revenues. and you start counting all the money that you can get externally from all of the tariffs of. >> will: charlie, what would you say, you and i

have been watching politics and following together quite some time, we know that for most of the last several decades conservatives have been the ones pushing for free trade and anti-tariffs. and here and now we have the president talking about fair trade it. we pay $370 billion and tariffs going out to other countries. we collect $57 billion and tariffs coming into america. so knowing that, and the presidents push for fair trade, what would you say the conservatives today still essay tariffs bad for a free economy? >> again, i would go back to the first point which is is it really free trade if governments are negotiating this? the other thing i would say is, okay,, whether you know conservatives have kind of lost this fight with their own supporters. they have lost the fight they have failed to

convince their own of voters that this is a good for them in the long run. the fact that we did not have these tariffs did not did not prevent us from facing inordinate amounts of inflation over the past four years. and so they feel like they have been kind of sold out to. and created an opening for a guy like donald trump to come in and as you point out stuff far away from conservative republican you know wall street orthodoxy, and sell this other idea of generating the money, not by taxing people for working, but by basically a consumption. international consumption tax if you want to look at it that way. and while i am generally a free market kind of guy, i like the idea of that, what if you were going to tell me that you were going to stop punishing people for working, and start collecting revenue based on consumption? i don't know. it might not be a bad

idea. i think the real problem we have in this country is we don't have enough people working. i would rather see more people working and generously rewarded for their work. >> will: attacks as a disincentive. i would rather just incentivize consumption and disincentivize work and productivity and income. remarkable day, charlie. this is a remarkable day because president trump felt another cabinet see. this was with robert of kennedy jr. as the head of the hhs. by the way also the secretary of agriculture confirmed. president trump has now pushed through some disruptors who had real momentum against them. certainly the betting odds from pete hegseth to tulsi gabbard and one of the people who deserves a lot of the credit is john thune. >> it has to be mentioned that jonathan's predecessor mitch mcconnell voted against rfq jr.

which is really extraordinary on a lot of levels. not the least of which 10 minutes he was in charge of whipping boats and getting republicans to carry out the agenda of a republican president to. and you know it is kind of heart he had a big statement to belt i think he completely mangled and unfavorably so rfq jr. position on vaccines. but he put out a statement about that. i think really does i think that mcconnell has a sort of somewhat of a complicated history of course he has been great on judges. done a lot of good things for conservatives on charges. but the fact he wants to spend his last months and years in the united states senate undermining the most popular republican president we have had is pretty it really does come to say something. >> will: it does say something and it is not

very flattering that for years he was in charge of ensuring everybody was quote, on the team. now he is no longer captain he is off the team. the one for -- republican to vote against pete hegseth, fivemak, and rfk. a guy who used the captain the team for republicans. i was good to see you. >> can i just say the other thing i think it's important to remember is that donald trump is a rejection of the old republican party. as much as it was a rejection of the old democratic party and the mature o'connell is the face of that old republican party. and i think that is kind of tomic as well. >> will: great to speak with you of course. my cohost is on the other side of the show. the president, charlie, and welcome back in the president. he welcomes and the prime minister of india modi into the white house. just arrived. they will be speaking together and we will feed that when it comes in. meanwhile, trump speaks

on how muscle. up next jumps a special hostage for envoy affairs on the negotiation for hostages being released from gaza to russia next on the will cain show.

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>> will: hamas caving. not sure about full capitulation but they say they will be releasing more hostages as scheduled this weekend when president trump threatened that all hell would break loose. is this the start of the end of the war? special envoy hostage affairs and negotiator adam bolar. thank you for being here. reports that hamas would continue the release of hostages. from what i have red so far that suggest three

more hostages on the schedule. but president trump did say he wants all 80 released by saturday or all hell would break loose. how big of a victory is this in your estimation for president trump? >> at the end of the day the president has seen movement and who knows what would happen if he was not there but it is not enough. we still have seven americans that are there and we won't stop until that is the case. and i hope that hamas is hearing loud and clear from the president of the united states that they have to address that issue immediately. >> will: i want to be clear if i might, adam, if, is the president's adjusted, hostages are not released by saturday , well all hell break loose? >> that is the current message of the united states he reserves the right to change or reserve a cc fits but right now that is what he said so i will stand with it. >> will: releasing more hostages as part of the agreement that is good but not good enough to essentially insure

the cease-fire remains is that what you would say? what is all hell breaking loose? does this hostage release preserve the cease-fire? or is that now under the president terms of all hostages is that not a guarantee the cease-fire continues a? >> it is not a guarantee until the president says he is satisfied. adjusting one or the other. i just know i have been in meetings with him where he has been heavily concerned about all americans that are there. he has also been clearly concerned about all of his relatives there to periods message is that there should not be any issue that we have a terrorist organization holding people and we need to release it. holding back the palestinian people, holding back piece. but i know for sure there is no discussion until we see those americans released. >> will: adam, it has been remarkable. it has been remarkable as you point out what has been accomplished shofar in gaza but not just gaza russia. we have seen several hostages return,

prisoners return back to america. i am curious, if you would not mind, to the best that you can, take us behind the scenes. how are these negotiations conducted? what is the role of president trump of? as you know how was it different from anything in the past to? vladimir putin will release this ballerina or there's a former american school teacher or russian school teacher who american. what is the nature of this negotiation? >> i was just telling the president the other day i can't imagine being in this world under president biden. that is not because i think president biden is a bad person, that is because he would have nothing behind you. you always had a talk and what makes my role is he working for the president, is that there is a lot behind what i do. i know steve rubio, steve witkoff, national security advisor, we all feel the same way which is in a way it makes our life easy. i know that sounds like a canned answer but it is completely true.

he is very tough and he has shown in the prior administration that there is action to back that up. so when he says something if he is not satisfied we will be instructed to take action. and sometimes that action is savory and sometimes it is not savory, but he is not afraid, and he is giving a message. so in conversation like that with the u.s. specifically, putin already knows that. putin already knows that the president is extremely serious and it will not all we talked. when he says he wants the ward to be open on both sides he means that in people or take them seriously. that's what you see so much crazy movement within a period of what? 20 days? 21 days a? >> will: i understand the carrot, i would assume that is a carrot for russia to and that war in ukraine. what is the stick? as you pointed out action behind the words, president trump is made your job easier. what is the implied punishment for russia if, for example, they do not release an american hostage? >> i was in the

west wing the day that we gave the order to give... and so many other presidents, and so many other people knew where he was. they were afraid because they thought about the negatives to. there were negatives and there were risks but ultimately the president of the united states job is to weigh those in a very rational and thoughtful manner and take action. we here at the same thing about moving the embassy to jerusalem. do you know how many people told us that moving the embassy to jerusalem would result in full a large scale war? all of these things that were risks one way or the other. the president of the united states has a consistent history of taking action when it makes sense and i would say that to hamas as well. you can wait and see if you would like to but i think that would be a huge mistake as iran is found that out multiple times. >> will: that is fascinating. not necessarily open threats but look at our history if you don't play ball look at what has happened. >> we don't need to the

president of the united states doesn't need to make threats directly one way or the other. people see the implied action. people see what happens. i do not telegraph things, the president does not telegraph things, it will just happen one way or the other when he decides that it makes sense. i tell you he has the team behind him to support. right now we have secretary of defense in, we have a few more people. the team is ready and willing. the president will give the order and see if he gives the order we will comply that is our jobs. >> will: a fascinating conversation thank you for giving us the behind the scenes how this goes down on negotiations. many more things i would like to talk to you about when we would have to do that next time. i appreciate your time today. >> you got it i love the show appreciate it so much. >> will: up next pam bondi talk the talk and i guess now as we are seeing walks the walk. >> new york has chosen to prioritize illegal

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>> we have filed charges against the state of new york, we have filed charges against kathy hogle, we have filed charges against letitia james and mark schroeder, this is a new doj and we are taking steps to protect them they were kids. new york has chosen to prioritize illegal aliens over american citizens. it stops it stops today. as you know we sued illinois and new york did not listen it. so now you are next. >> will: the new attorney general getting great to work. pam bondi going after new york green light law which bars the state from sharing information with the feds on immigration it. ag bondi announcing charges against governor kathy hogle, state attorney general letitia james, and head of the new york dmv mark schroeder. so here to take a look at this and how it could play out and ultimately benefit the american people as a criminal defense attorney who has represented a friend of mine scott lehman.

great to see you on the show. you are a new york guy, and new york attorney. what do you make of this now? new york on the wrong side with the federal government? >> i think it makes sense. i mean the problem is new york is giving into all of these progressives and then slunk i mean we have to protect the citizens of. citizenship has a privilege just. being illegal does not have privileges of. we have to protect the people that live here and it is the most important thing. >> will: scott does this suit have any teeth? the response from letitia james and kathy hogle is it has no teeth. you guys have come after us on things like this before it is a civil thank you will not get us basically. that has been the response to pam bondi. >> it depends the problem is the judge of the defense would judge it goes in front of it. they sued in liberal new york. a lot of the judges appointed are liberal judges. back in the old days they used to be 3-1 defines a gun who the

party in control was. now you have a lot of these people on the bench. so i think until it goes to the court of appeals who knows what will happen. but there are other ways that the feds could get the information that they want to. for example,, they talk about all these people when they arrested. of a temp somebody is arrested you could fingerprinted. that fingerprint automatically gets sent to the fbi. why can't there be an... where it gets forwarded to i.c.e.? i seek it's the information that includes the person's name, fingerprint, on the charge. you can sit an algorithm to say we want everybody charged with sex crimes, everybody charged with murder, homicide, those type of things, and automatically it would go to i.c.e. the court room talking about when people go to court as a public documents. they could face it on their own. and i think this way to get around this to help the system. >> will: it is stunning. really quickly now, the state of new york is actively trying to keep that information from the christian enforcement.

that is what they do not want. they don't want to turn it over. like i said you over new york guy, you are a new york criminal defense attorney, i can only imagine the guys who walked a year office. i mentioned one of them a moment ago, 50-cent, you walk the street you live that you have clients come into your office. to the like the way new york is handling the league immigration? >> i could tell you or somebody who visits the think of the since 1992. i have certain blocks i do not walk down because they are immigrant hotels. they sit outside at night on the s. families. i made it is absolutely crazy. these luxury hotels turned into immigrant hotels. paid with our tax dollars. they got phones, they got money, cars, cash, food, it is absolutely insane. our tax dollars to take care of our people. what about a veterans? that it's with is my should be going. are vertebrates need so much help. what about the people in america? no the people who got here illegally to take

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most people don't realize how processed typical dog food is. at the farmer's dog, we believe dogs should be able to get their daily nutrition without the excess processing. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> will: rfk jr. confirmed as secretary today and the health industry has stayed very quiet. politico had an interesting piece on this it said quote, they have not spoken up, even though he has accused him of fraud and conspiracy, and promised to coat -- hold him accountable. they are not worried because they did not

think they could stop and/or the cost of speaking up would be too steep. by staying clump they hope to limit the followed as he follows through on his plans to strip the industry to the studs. jeffrey tucker joins me now to discuss it. always great to see you. what do you make of the side that's from big pharma on rfk? >> what we are dealing with is a mass movement. that is a basically furious about what happened in the covid-19 years when they shut the church was, shut the schools, shut the businesses, made us stay home, restricted our travel, we couldn't have weddings and funerals, could not visit grandma in her home. that was the level of intrusion on american liberty and why did it have been? we found out in time they had a special shot for us and that shock came, they mandated it for us. it didn't work the way they promised. and what you saw birthed out of that covid

experienced the last five years as mass incredulity. and really a kind of theory. answer curiosity what is really going on beneath the surface here? wanted all of this happen to us. so rfk's confirmation today represents i would say the ultimate repudiation of five years of what i would call basically hell. so it is very invigorating and very exciting. i think the health care establishment knows this, big pharma knows this, they have to deal with that it is the new reality. >> will: it is fascinating because we would have assumed there is huge lobby dollars going on in the background. senators being bought off to vote against rfk we just did not see that. by the way, politico went on to say this is why. the media response is also a reflection of how much president donald trump has sacrificed traditional g.o.p. constituency to raise a populist working class revolt on those who

what's held sway in the capital. so not only does big pharma not want to be on the wrong side, the senators, it is the movements, it is not simply an r&d trading of the white house and trading of d.c. it is a true movement. i think that leaves everybody industries and senators going got do not think it is wise to be on the wrong side of this movement. >> this is very exciting i think for everybody. we are seeing the ways in which public opinion is actually working as a feedback loop to what our politicians are doing with the government is doing. which, by the way the way that the founders is that the system up. they had confidence you could have some kind of back-and-forth relationship between the people and the system under which they live. a lot of us have wondered if that is really true for a long time we are seeing it happen now and it is enormously encouraging and gratifying to see

this work. to see democracy actually work the way our founders imagined it. >> will: you are one of the smartest guys i know what you were not the first person i have heard say that. i have heard it inside my own home that this moment is empowering. and makes it feel like your voice matters as you see these things change. as smart as you are i'm going to have to dumb it down for just a moment. i have to present to you some of the rebuttals to elon musk and d.o.g.e from the left. and joy. >> not only are they going to stop the privatization of public education, we are not going to let them destroy the department of education. department of education provides funding for 26 million kids who are living in high poverty areas all over this country. and we have the radical idea that may be more kids that deserve the same quality education that rich kids do.

that we are not going to turn our black -- back on the black and the brown, the latino kids, we will stand up for every kid in our country. because we know that without a strong educational system, our democracy will be in trouble, and our economy will be in trouble. >> i think it is really important and with the american public wants,'s for us to bring actual weapons to this bar fight. this is an actual fight for democracy for the future of this country that is important to push back on the chairperson of this committee. >> will: jeffrey, i asked for those two back-to-back and i will tell you why. first of all, that is astounding to hear from congressman garcia. bring actual weapons. they set the standard about violent rhetoric and how they meet their own standard where the president has twice had an assassination attempt. ring actual weapons. but i ask for bernie sanders as well because he is making an

outdated argument. what has been exposed about bernie is he votes against rfk or whoever may be he no different than garcia. >> my sense of that moment when he was outed as a big pharma shill was it was as important in our generation as of the his chambers trials were in the 1950s. it was a shocking moment. this is the anticorporate crusader who turns out like a scooby-doo episode, you pull off the mask and there was the mayor. there is bernie. you know shilling for big pharma. it was a shocking moment and god bless rfk for doing that. it is very strange to me to have all of these people basically defending an old order that everybody knows has completely failed to. it is defunct, it is expensive, there is no transparency, there is no normal accounting

standards, every corporation we have, that is all that bosc is doing right now bringing normal standards of transparency and accounting to government. which i'm sure you saw this flood four days ago five former secretaries of treasury wrote to "the new york times" that no elected politician or their appointees has had access to the federal books since 1946. i don't know do you see that a? >> will: no i did not. that is stunning you. >> that for me that is shocking and they were bragging about this saying this is the way it should continue. >> will: ridiculous. >> all we are asking is normal standards of accounting he would get from any corporation or any nonprofit. even the smallest convenience store down the street you have to have accounting the federal government does not have. >> will: i have to leave it here. i like your point about the status quo fighting so hard to preserve the status quo and that

includes education, by the way, to offer a rebuttal to bernie sanders, how has that education been going for black and brown kids up for the past half-century you want to preserve? how was it going? about everything else in the status quo. jeffrey tucker always smart always makes us more educated when we get done listening to him despite his bow tie and the kodiak sitting in his pocket. i will see you next time. stink on this another democrat judiciary hearing as an opportunity to attack elon musk. >> we need to hire a fourth branch of government scott elon musk to do it for us a? he and his mutant teenage racist computer hackers to have taken possession of financial systems at the united states department of treasury. meeting access to the private financial records of every american citizen. every member of congress , every federal prosecutor, every regulator who was supposed to be looking

at what his business does. >> will: our next guest was a witness at that hearing can did not let that moment slide. >> this whole time we have been here. you have just been complaining about the process. and again, i'm not agreeing disagreeing with the issues right now are on musk in the process. but the process you are following, at some point what is the end game? is in the end game to make us, the american people, better off? isn't it? no i hear you saying but the stuff that would make us better off does not matter. do you care about right now is the process of musk and his associates are not doing this the right way. keep your eye on the ball and your ball should be me. it should be mean. i'm it should be me. >> will: mik at weight as an entrepreneur and the author of the heart of the cheetah. she joins us now. i think we all heard your point. you are focused on how small businesses and

people in america can have a better life. they are focused on elon musk. >> pretty much. it was really a joke. here i was my whole life thinking about congress and thinking about these representatives and the work that they do being so important, and then you walk into this room and we are talking about probably the most important thing in america right now, which is the issue of all the regulation because people like me coming from africa, i can tell you right away what overregulation does. it means the difference between life and death, war or peace. being free or enslaved. and in the end, we are talking about human dignity here. so for mr. raskin to sit there and tell us basically regulations don't matter and mr. garcia i think it was saying regulations are good and some of them are very good, and sitting

there and feeling that these people are mad at you when they are not just ignoring you. are you not working for u us? have you not been put in this position by us? are you not reporting to us? so the whole thing seemed upside down. and i have to tell you, i walked out of there worried about what has government become? because clearly, mr. raskin is not working for us. he is not working for the american people. i do not know who he is working for, but it is not for us. >> will: what a powerful statement today, not just yesterday, thank you. i know you come from senegal and have seen the other way of doing businesses and i know why you protect so hardly saying it is difference between life and death, a deregulated free economy. thank you so much, magatte, for being with us peered thank you for joining us as we get to the heart of the matter from the he. now "the five." ♪ ♪ >> dana: