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president trump has scored a huge legal victory for doge. he is now barreling forward cutting wasteful spending, fraud and abuse. we reported to you when it happened yesterday. the judge rejected the attempt by 14 democrat attorneys general to block musk and the department of government efficiency from accessing government data or firing any federal employees. the judge said those attorneys general did not have evidence that doge would cause imminent harm. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." president trump and elon musk sat down together last night with sean hannity and they laid out exactly how they are working to save cold hard cash for the american taxpayer. >> president trump: every businessmen i know the good ones, bad ones, lucky ones. he is a brilliant great guy. somebody that really cares for the country. i saw that very early on. >> winning the election is the

opportunity to fix the system. it is not fixing the system itself. so it is an opportunity to fix the system and to restore the power of democracy. so what we're doing here is one of the biggest functions of the doge team is just making sure that the presidential executive orders are actually carried out. >> harris: here is how this is being carried out. so far the doge team says it has saved more than $55 billion. all that in less than one month of president trump in the white house. one doge congressional subcommittee member says lawmakers will be very angry at what doge will expose. >> it shows every department is corrupt and you will see the money where it flows back to and it is goes right out of american taxpayers pocket and it will go into the politicians in washington. the so-called legacy media in

bead with these folks has decided to turn a blind eye. >> harris: peter doocy has more. >> the doge team's win in court means they can keep going. as they do we hear the engineers are not just targeting individual line items that they think are wasteful or fraudulent but trying to reboot the entire system of the u.s. government. >> if the bureaucracy is fighting the will of the people and preventing the president from implementing what people want, then what we live in is a bureaucracy and not a democracy. >> according to doge, they have saved $55 billion so far from 1,127 canceled programs. a partial accounting of that on their website. president trump is promising this is all a drop in the bucket.

>> how much do you believe you have identified in waste, fraud, abuse corruption now and how much do you anticipate you will? >> sure. well, i think -- >> president trump: 1%. no, it is so massive. this is huge money. huge money. as good as they are they won't find some contract that was crooked as hell. there will be so much that isn't found. what is found i think he will find a trillion dollars. >> musk is saying on x now he will talk to president trump about doge dividend checks. proposal that someone posted to him where they would take the money that is being saved from these canceled programs, divvy it up and send checks to taxpayers. >> harris: that's got some alliteration to it. doge dividend. republican congresswoman kat cammack, member of the committee on energy and commerce. great to see you today.

first of all let's start there. lawfare is not working for the democrats. why not? >> bless their hearts, harris, they are having an identity crisis and it is showing. i kind of feel like many of our democrat colleagues are like the song stuck in the middle with you. they've got clowns to the left of them and jokers on their right and they have no idea what to do. it is kind of a little bit sad when you think about the fact they're so committed to hatred to donald trump and elon musk they can't bring themselves to acknowledge the good in rooting out waste, fraud, abuse and corruption. despite the fact that obama and clinton and democrat presidents have talked about this. they never executed on it but they talked about this. now it is actually underway. so i think they will have to do some real soul searching. the american people have demanded this from all walks of life. i will tell you last night my husband and i had a town hall.

our eight year wedding anniversary. so to celebrate we went through the drive-threw and when we went through the manager of that fast food joint, she was hilarious and said i voted for president trump. he is getting to the bottom of where our money is going. i work too hard to have these bureaucrats waste it. tell president trump to keep on going. literally stopped the drive-thru to deliver that message. americans are hungry for this and want to see this resolved and want to know where their money is going. >> harris: congratulations on your many years of imagine. good bless you and your husband. i want to say this. the number 55 billion is very large and you could do a lot with it. what is your reaction when you hear that elon musk and president trump are looking at elon's idea to maybe give some dividend checks back to americans with some of the wasted spending? >> well, first and foremost congratulations to you, harris

for out pacing "the view." they didn't have a caldron big enough for them to have a witches brew to keep people engaged. thank you for being grace under pressure and always a voice and beacon for truth and sanity. doge dividends, i love this. this is the people's money. the government isn't generating money. it is the people's money and putting it back into their pockets. so this is a beautiful idea about really putting into action what small government can do for the people and i think everyday americans would love to see more and more of this uprooted and put back in their pockets after living through four years of bidenomics. but then there is a real incentive for us to keep on finding ways to create efficiencies. i love that this is an idea that is probably not just going to be talked about but implemented. president trump is a man of action and elon is all in this

for love of country. i think this is a fabulous idea we could make happen quickly. >> harris: as i told our reporter doge dividends has some alliteration. stephen miller had a fiery exchange over the liberal media's doge freak-out. >> you may assert there is no waste in the pentagon or no waste in treasury. you may assert there is no way -- >> i don't think -- >> why aren't you celebrating the cuts if you agree there is waste, abuse and corruption, why are you not celebrating the cuts, the reforms being instituted? >> harris: your reaction, congresswoman. >> my friend stephen miller is a real wallflower. you really have to just get it out of him what he is thinking. he is 1,000 percent right. good for him and so many others for calling out the legacy media. particularly those on the left

who slammed these efforts to go in and uproot the waste, fraud and abuse and we have seen where they have criticized rather than embraced this move to actually get to the bottom of it. it is clear that no one has been paying attention to senator rand paul's annual report where he details very accurately where some of these dollars have been going. why do we need a study to study the effects of cocaine on sea bass? i don't know. why do we need to spend billions of dollars on overhead rather than actual research and development? i don't know. these are things that americans look at when they are trying to balance their budget and sit around the kitchen table and pay their bills and say why am i having to do this but the dang federal government doesn't? that's what is frustrating. >> harris: there are committees, energy and commerce that you sit on. it has to be a toying. any democrats on the hill with whom you are talking. you have friends on both sides of the aisle, who see this as a

failure on their parts for not having gotten it started sooner? they have known since november 5th the president meant what he said on the campaign trail, that this was coming. >> this is the sad part, harris. much in the same way of the border and issues to protecting kids, we have had conversations and privately i have had democrat colleagues say i love what elon is doing but they are too scared to speak out. they say for two reasons. they feel like they will lose their -- >> harris: i think as she said that we lost her. we thank her very much and we'll move forward. and you know on this program this isn't the first time we've heard republicans say they are talking with democrats on capitol hill and in quiet corners they are willing to say yeah, this is something that they should have been doing cutting the waste, looking for fraud, so on and so forth. there will be some on board. we'll have to see how it shakes

out when they run again and know what do i need to do to win? alleged members of a radical vegan anarchist cult. we had this yesterday and now more details and the reporters are digging. this anarchist cult is linked to according to police the murder of a u.s. border agent on january 20th just a few weeks ago and five other people. more on what is turning out to be a rather bizarre story and the investigation. plus president trump is taking new action against drug cartels. >> president trump: i think mexico is largely run by the cartels. say. if they wanted help with that we'd give them help. >> harris: the president plans to designate three cartels as terrorist organizations. why that could spark more violence in the crackdown to prevent it. ben ferguson in "focus" next. par and number one export destination for 17 states.

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>> harris: we're learning new details in the bizarre story of a cult allegedly linked to the killing of a u.s. border patrol agent. on sunday, maryland state police arrested three alleged members of the group. among them the alleged leader held without bond by a maryland court yesterday. they join two already in custody. this group have been tied to six killings across three states. so one of those was the u.s. border patrol agent. he died on inauguration day january 20th near the canadian border in vermont. two others who were killed were alleged members of the cult. national correspondent griff jenkins has more. this will be the first time many

of us will hear of this group. the feds have been watching them for a while. >> they have. this has all the makings of a netflix dock you drama. a group of mostly transgender computer scientists who met online united in beliefs and radical veganism and turned violent. the three members of the cult arrested on charges of trespassing and gun possession in a remote area of maryland including the alleged leader you see here, 34-year-old on the left side of your screen going by the name vis, two other members as well. the sheriff has no idea why they were there. >> they gave different names, which is a telltale sign they are trying t. that's why i believe the officer checked a little further. started running more checks. the only thing i'm curious about is why they chose this particular area to try to camp

out at. we're still developing that. >> this group is tied at least six murders spanning the country in three states from california to pennsylvania and vermont including the deaths of a landlord in california in 2022. elderly couple in pennsylvania and border patrol agent in vermont last night. he was killed 20 miles from the canadian border. little is known about the group or its motives. a journalist has been tracking them for a while. >> i would describe some of the crimes that they are accused of as being demonic you could say. elderly couple killed in delaware county, pennsylvania. were shot execution style in their home on new year's eve a couple of years ago. f.b.i. dropped the ball on this because the killings go back to 2022. >> the last point harris, the three in maryland including the leader that's being held, the f.b.i. according to maryland officials have gotten very

involved in this case trying to put the pieces together. >> harris: i think it is so important what president trump is doing. he is focusing on the southern border but often you will hear him mention the northern border, too. and we know that the numbers have started to tick up during the biden -- latter part of his administration. there is work to do in the north and why the president had all those conversations with canada and at one point, griff, said your option is to become the 51st state of the united states. he was joking but we'll see. president trump is using an all of government approach for going after drug trafficers. they are going to declare cartels as foreign terrorist organizations. white house border czar. >> they have a footprint in every major city in the nation. taken over the distribution channels within the united states. kill more americans than any terrorist organizations in the

world combine. it will bring the weight of the woeshld on them. >> harris: what were they waiting for? we're at war with them and killing our people with what they bring in and willing to traffic, sex traffic and kill others along the way. mexican authorities announced the seizure of nearly $40 million worth of methamphetamine. it was headed for the u.s. border. this comes after president trump forced action on drug trafficking with the threat of terrorists. remember, mexico's president not only asked for that 30-day relief from any potential tariffs but she sent 10,000 members of her own military in mexico to the border. trump's idea is yielding deliverables. the central intelligence agency has been flying reaper drones over mexico. in their airspace to locate and gather intelligence on cartels and fentanyl labs. u.s. shares that data now with

the mexican government. so much can happen when the two presidents are talking. it took the tariffs, many believe, to get her to the table in the first place. border arrests have plummeted since president trump returned to office. december 2024 roughly 47,000 arrests made. compare that to january 2025, about 21,000. the lowest since may of 2020. so since trump had just left office. biden benefited for a little while and then he opened the gates. border crossings hit record highs during the biden administration. look at the screen here. a quarter million illegal immigrants crossed into the u.s. they broke our sovereignty and laws. they're criminals. and they did it in just one month at one point. one arizona county supervisor says border patrol agents are happy with the support they're finally getting from the current president. >> the number of seizures are

down. people coming across the border. border patrol has been able to focus on national security. keeping us safe going after the cartels, the trafficking. one of the things that is most important or critical is that they have been able to focus on trafficking of children. immediately they were able to reinstitute the dna testing that was discontinued under biden and go after 100% prosecution. we have a border patrol reenergized. all of the tools in their tool box. >> harris: "focus" now ben ferguson and co-host of verdict with ted cruz podcast. first of all, talk about the difference now. obviously the lifesaving. keeping drugs away from our country as much as possible. but this will be a long haul for the trump administration. >> it is. the reality is right now mexico is a failed state. it is controlled and run by the cartels. so you have to look at for example the drugs they just

seized. i was told bay bourp agent saying don't be excited by that. a lot of this is how they play the game. they will act like there is a success where hey, we found a bunch of drugs. they give that up willingly just to keep the heat off of them and look like they are being proactive. something they've been doing in the drug trade for decades down in mexico. so the second part that is also very frustrating is they have declared war on us. 300 americans on average are dying per day because of fentanyl overdoses in this country right now. so whether we decided to admit it or not, they've already declared war on us and it's what tom homan was talking about a moment ago. the president has to make a trust decision. do you trust a failed state and leaders all controlled by the cartels or how do you get leverage over them where we actually see change at the southern border? and that's where the president is saying look, i've got to do enough to protect americans.

i will use these drones, i will declare that they are terrorist organizations, and if you are not going to stop them, then i have no other option but to stop them. i think the american people are behind him in doing that right now. >> harris: one of the first things he did when he got into office declare he would send the u.s. military to the southern border. now with movement finally in the case of the u.s. border patrol agent david malen from january 20th it looks like some serious resources will be needed up there, too. i don't know how much more canada will do their part the way mexico has. we'll have to see. a new column argues president donald trump has a popular mandate to deport illegal criminals. same of the same interest groups are gearing up to oppose trump. some of the groups have been bankrolled by your tax dollars. the daily caller reporting some house republicans are urging the donald trump d.o.j. to prosecute

those groups and individuals if they are blocking or subverting the administration's deportation efforts. first of all, the money. your thoughts. >> yeah. well look, the money is not surprising because we've seen now because of doge and how much corruption there is in our government how all this money is being spent. even tax dollars. this is a real simple moment for the administration and donald trump and the white house have said look, if you were aiding and abetting people to break laws in america, we will come after you. we will prosecute you. we don't care if you are a governor or a mayor, if you are a sanctuary city. this is why donald trump is being so effective right now and why i think the american people are loving what they are witnessing is because he is saying the law is the law. there is no more gray area here. you don't get to redo law, change law, look the other way when you don't like a law which is what the biden administration did their entire time in office. the american people want a safe and secure border and don't want american tax dollars or people

in the government local or state or national to be helping criminals get away with their criminal activity. that is what this is all about for them. they want to keep these criminals here. it is wrong. >> harris: we have to get everybody on the same page. i have said it once this hour. if you crossed our border illegally, went between the checkpoints and all the detection devices, you sneaked into this country illegally and broke our sovereignty law. we are a sovereign nation. that is a crime. but on the left, not so much. your last quick thought. >> they are helping you. this is where the american people have to stand up and tell people what they want. they want a secure border. they want law and orderer. they want their children and grandchildren to be safe and protected. they don't want their kids overdosing from fentanyl. all encompassing. real simple. put americans first and get the hell out of the way of donald trump and the administration. if you break the law they are coming after you and that excites many americans.

>> harris: ben ferguson. thank you for being in "focus." good to see you. the investigation into the fiery and terrifying delta airlines crash goes deeper. authorities are examining the black box recording devices looking for answers on exactly why that plane that crashed into the tarmac, then ended up upside down. plus democrats looking lost with no direction now except for attacking trump. critics say the party is imploding as leaders are coming up with new talking points to try to fight the president. yeah, they can use their words. >> democrats are going to find once again they are on the losing side. their world is coming apart. it is like watching god zilla. they don't know what to do.

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acting more like they just want to help themselves. their lawfare they are waging against the president's to do list is failing. senate minority leader chuck schumer will try to use this week's budget votes to back republicans into a corner. schumer told axios that pushing the billionaire talking point will unify his party. some democrats say it's time to stand down on the resistance. >> we're failing the common sense test. rather than saying some of what they are finding anybody would say we should end it. instead we scream about everything. when we find stuff in our opinion probably a worthy of a discussion the average voter says forget it. all you do is scream no and they are crazy. should you play possum? i think as much as i like chuck

schumer, he is a terrible dancer and worse singer. i would stay out of it. we had no energy, now we have some energy. some is better than nothing. >> harris: that's a friend. oh my goodness, chuck schumer. one opinion piece headline quote, democrats are learning it is not 2017 all over again. here is part of it. democrats and many of allies in the press don't know what to oppose and what to let slide. so far they haven't been able to shift the anti-trump out rage machine into high gear. majority of supporters support a number of things trump is doing. it hasn't been that long since they voted for him and he is delivering. people act shocked. we have our power panel here. great to see you both. david, how do you make a way forward right now when you see how some in your party are reacting? it's been months of this. >> i think it's very easy.

unlike the republican party, which has become a personality of donald trump, the democratic party has conflicting opinions and ideas but i think it is very simple. the republicans begged for the keys to the car and now when they crash it they won't have joe biden or the democrats to blame. it will be their responsibility. that's what we'll see. >> harris: you are not rooting against the country. that's what it sounds like. is that what you are doing? >> absolutely not. the best jab. >> harris: you want the leader that the majority elected to fail. >> no, absolutely not. i hope the president does well. but he has only down announcements. there hasn't been actual result. there hasn't been cost savings. this budget propose all that's coming up will prove there might be tax cuts for the wealthiest but layoffs for americans. >> harris: you know what i this i is ironic. >> it is contrary to what he

campaigned on. he campaigned on beating inflation instead he is imposing tariffs to jack up prices. >> harris: people on the left are pushing saying we want to see the receipts of what is being done with doge for instance. go to the border. look at what the president has already done there. it has dwindled to a trickle. illegals can't get in. >> how has that impacted my pocketbook? that's what americans are asking and we'll see the result as every special election comes in the mid-terms. >> harris: go right ahead. >> david, i am sorry but this just proves our point to what is happening in our country and you are proofing the democrat point they are flailing and have an identity crisis. chuck schumer's only reaction to say president trump is a threat to democracy and causing a constitutional crisis.

further proof that chuck schumer and the democrats didn't learn anything since november. they whine and scream about every single thing that president trump is doing. quite frankly, i think at the bottom of it they simply cannot keep up with how hard donald trump is working every single day and delivering results for the american people. the american people, david, have made it crystal clear. listen, the american people have made it crystal clear, majority of voters support president trump, tax cuts, him limiting the budget, and his america first policies. he is delivering results for the american people every day. not only that, his policies paint a picture of hope for the american people that their future will be better in this country. >> harris: that's really interesting. they are oppositional messaging at this point, republicans and democrats. it is visceral. one side is very angry and the

other is trying to come up with ways to go with a president's vision. jasmine crockett. not many people who have expected her to say this. >> we just are looking forward to the mid-terms. we only need three more seats. we need to go out and talk to those people that finally understand that the only mission that donald trump has is making sure that he can line his pockets and any other billionaire at our expense. it is time to wake up. doesn't mean you are a democrat if you vote democratic. >> harris: i will go in reverse order and come to you first, tiffany. interesting. not long ago jasmine crockett congresswoman and others were talking about bring it on and the war that they basically want to rage. one congressman used the word war. when you look at that now she is saying no, that's probably what we need to do is come up with a way to listen to the people so we can win again. >> the contrast between democrats and republicans right

now can't be any more clear. the republicans and donald trump are working hard every single day to deliver results for american families, to cut wasteful spending within our government and to make america great. meanwhile the democrats continue to push and try to rally behind their radical d.e.i. agenda, men in women's sports and gender transitioning for minors. they are completely out of touch. >> harris: david, real quick. >> i disagree. that's what the republicans are doing making these issues about gender paramount. it's not it. look, what republicans are becoming is just the conscious of donald trump and that's not a party. that's a personality. all the democrats need to do. we don't need to scream and yell. yes, there are people very unhappy. ask people on the ground. you talk to nonprofits. they are scrambling. instead of providing service to some of our most vulnerable americans the mission they were

meant to do, they have to scramble and try to decode what donald trump is trying to do. nobody really knows. you have republicans scratching their heads and have to come to the defense of donald trump. >> harris: you are screaming. i wonder why, what is all the screaming about. if you want it to stop, do something. take action and so far it's just been words. >> the republicans have a trifecta. they have every branch of government. they still want to blame democrats. republicans are in control and prices are still high. and they are going higher. >> harris: i think it was your candidate who said elections have consequences. of course trump is leading the party. come on. obama even knew that. i will let you both go. thank you. president trump is reportedly set to dismantle major d.e.i. policies and you just heard tiffany talking about it. putting in place for -- put in place by the biden administration. it marks a major change in how

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>> harris: this week's crash and roll over of delta flight 4819 out of minneapolis to toronto, tight lipped. they have got the black box. former commercial pilot was in "focus" yesterday about what could have happened. >> you have to have the voice recorder, the data recorder. they will show exactly what was taking place with the dynamics of the airplane.

harris, one of the things we learned in all the u.s. major carriers we start out with is the approach stable? what that means is, as i'm coming in to land, am i consistent to making a safe landing? if you are not stable, at 500 feet, ready to land, it is a mandatory go around. >> harris: what we learned from him was that the conditions on the ground would have brought about a kind of instability where they may have wanted to pull up and circle rather than trying to land. he investigated, by way, nate foye is with me from toronto. he investigated the twa800 flight in the 1990s. he knows what he is looking at here. interesting. nate, take it away. >> the black box recovered by investigators will help them understand if there was issue to the aircraft prior to landing or

if the pilots made a mistake. >> it was an experienced crew. all these pilots train for these conditions. they fly under all kinds of conditions at all the airports in which we operate. >> here is what we know about those conditions. the air traffic controller warned the pilots about the wind right before the crash. but the toronto pearson fire chief said there were no crosswind conditions. i asked him about that. >> can you tell me what it was like out there on the runway as you were doing your job? was the runway dry and wind gusts, how did it impact you? >> i provided a little information yesterday for transparency. today now we have an active investigation. therefore any of those questions would have to be directed toward transportation safety board. >> i thought you might find this interesting.

it turns out the snow on the runway may have saved lives. former commercial airline pilot buckley tells fox news it prevented a continuous trail of jet fuel that could have resulted in a deadly explosion. >> that fireball eventually catches up to the airplane as it stops and fuel is all over the place. this could have been a hell of a lot worse. thank god it rolls in the snow. >> certainly seems like a miracle that nobody was killed in this crash, harris. only one person now according to delta this morning remains in the hospital and we also know that it is not the child that we previously reported on. we have been in touch with the children's hospital and we now know that patient has been discharged. >> harris: that's a very positive update that you give me. one more we pray for still in the hospital and no one died in all of this. truly a miracle. great reporting. critics taking on the ncaa over

its new transgender student athlete policy. they point to loopholes that would still allow men to compete in women's sports. new policy says athletes eligibility will be based on sex assigned at birth. the problem is it's easy to change a birth certificate. come on now. you know you can't play fast and loose and expect some people not to know stuff like that because we do. but advocates for women's athletes are not backing down. former gymnastic champion wrote this. ncaa wants to appear to satisfy the executive order while allowing gender ideologues to validate their cookie identities. a quote. riley gaines posted this. ncaa is governed by cowards. the co-founder on women's sports, kim jones. >> there is no way to tell whether or not someone has an

amended birth certificate. the policy as it is written doesn't define women, it doesn't define sex. you can change your birth certificate. there is no screening mechanism in place and no accountability by the ncaa to oversee this. women across the united states and ncaa deserve a bullet-proof policy. >> harris: gianno caldwell. i tell you, it has me wondering then if birth certificates don't count, we're in a world of hurt. we can't even agree on the governmental document that allows us to stay here as citizens. that seems bizarre. >> thank you for having me. i have to tell you i agree with you completely. especially in places like california where they allow you to change your assigned birth or rather what you were born as. thank god for riley gaines, our colleague, who hasn't backed down and stood tall and who made this really a journey of her

life to push back on these insane policies. just last month "the new york times," 79% of americans say they don't want to see biological men in women's sports. that includes 60 plus% of democrats. people have had enough of this. american people voted very loudly and clearly when they put trump back in office that this was not something that they wanted for their girls. they didn't want their girls competing against boys who have a different biological makeup and strength than their little girls. this is insane. >> harris: it is just confusing because at one point one of the leaders at the ncaa said there are more than 500,000 athletes in college sports and fewer than ten were transgender athletes biological men that this leader knew of. so why would you bend half a

million people to the desires of fewer than ten? it is just a question. >> as i recall -- >> harris: president trump is reportedly taking new action against diversity, equity and inclusion programs. the wall is journal is reporting the administration is directing federal agencies to no longer consider a company's d.e.i. practices whether or not to do business with them. this reverses the initiative by the biden white house. it is part of an overhaul of federal procurement practices. the regulations are more than 2,000 pages. outdated and doesn't allow agencies to buy at the speed of need. nothing in the government works at the speed of need. >> how about just hire the most qualified person for the role that can do it at the lowest price? sound like simple math to me. what is incredible i see so many of these black celebrities and

publications that are angering african-americans across the country about d.e.i. it doesn't benefit black people. 76% of diversity officers are white and 56% of those are women. so i don't understand why they continue to amp up on something that has literally no benefit for black people and i don't think we should have those kind of policies anyway. it is another game that democrats play to black folks emotional on an issue they can perhaps get them to vote on. >> harris: powerful words. equity, can replace it. at least put the right word in their, equality. equity is about outcomes. no one can promise that. you need opportunity and you need to bring your a game and work ethic. >> 100% agree. >> harris: good to see you. "outnumbered" after the break.