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hour of "fox & friends" weekend starting with this, attorney general pam bondi revealing jeffrey epstein files are sitting on her desk, but she's -- what she's planning to do with them -- kevin: release them. [laughter] griff: plus, a week of winnings doge, how the department is moving forward. dedeand timothy cardinal dolan joining us live on the future of catholic schools. we'll check in on the health of the pontiff. this is the fourth hour of "fox & friends," and it starts right now. ♪ if ♪ ♪ ab raqqa a -- ab raqqa dab a rah ♪ rachel: good morning, everybody. that is a frozen lake george, new york. look at that. what a shot. griff: that that looks cold. if you are cold where you are, that's cold. kevin: yeah. that that's good looking though. it makes you wonder if you ever

get up there, what lies beneath the ice. rachel: that's true. well, it's warm in here thanks to having two good friends here, griff and kevin corker, making the morning great again -- kevin corker. we've had a fun morning. kevin: we have, we've done some crazy stuff, we talked news and politics, and we even talked about -- rachel: angel hair. [laughter] doesn't everybody? kevin: rachel had the line of the day on what a sean looked like when he had a moustache. rachel: yeah. i said he looks like saddam hussein, and i made him take it off. but you had a few man chew, it and looked good, kevin! he showed us this picture, and i was ready just without even seeing it to diss the idea, because i think you look so handsome as a you are, and then i saw you, and you looked like a

daytime soap star. like, what? [laughter] kevin: someone said is i looked like, what's the guy on law and order or? the brother a the had -- rachel: ice t? [laughter] kevin: the guy before. lenny, i think it was. lenny's partner. rachel: oh, i know with yo who you're talking about the. oh, yeah, he's a good looking guy. kevin: oh, there we go. griff: hook at that. what's crazy -- rachel: you look good. griff: the story us with about the new york yankees allowing facial hair, and it looks like you're broadcasting a baseball game. kevin: yep. that looks like espn, i was doing can probably college or spring baseball. the atlanta braves used to have their spring training -- rachel: well, griff was not going to be left out of this one. griff: i can't grow a beard. i grow ghastly. here's a little bit of a shadow. i go with the shadow --

rachel: yeah. the surfer disheveled. griff: beyond that, it starts to grow out uneven, and there's a bit of gray in some splotches. kevin: it looks great. rachel: it looks good, you look like a surfer pin-up -- kevin: he looks so happy, i love that. i was kelling rachel, i want to see a little aqua net -- rachel: he was asking if i had big bangs in the '80s, and i was, like, hell, yes. we'll have to unearth those pictures at some point. but it was really fun seeing both of yours. meanwhile, there's a lot of shaking up going on in d.c. right now, and donald trump is now eyeing, get this, the post office. he's got his sights on the post office saying he wants the make it great again. kevin: correspondent madeleine rivera live in d.c. with the details on that. morn morning, maddie. >> reporter: that's right, president trump is floating the possibility with the commerce department. that could be a first move in

privatizing the agency which has operated independently for more than 50 years. the legal ramifications of a potential merger are unclear, but the president has long taken aim at the postal a service's efficiency. it lost nearly $10 billion in the most recent fiscal year. >> have a post office that a works well and doesn't lose massive amounts of munch and we're thinking about -- of money. and we're thinking about doing that. it'll be a form of a merger. but it'll remain the postal service, and i think it'll operate a lot better than it has been over the years. it's been just a tremendous loser for the country, tremendous amounts of money, they've lost. >> reporter: this morning the president is praising elon musk saying he's doing a great job even as a he pushes him to get more aggressive. it comes after a federal judge on friday cleared the way for the trump administration to remove thousands of usaid a workers off the a job. the judge ruled the labor unions is are not shown its members

will suffer irreparable harm. another federal judge is extending a block on doge's access to the treasury department's payment system. new york state attorney general letitia james is celebrating as she led a group of 18 is other a.g.s in this lawsuit. james says, we just won a court order stopping doge and unauthorized, unelected and unvetted individuals like elon musk from if access ising people's private data and blocking federal funds. the judge acknowledged the security risks with sensitive information, but she also says the plaintiffs have not demonstrated that they are entitled to the broad and sweeping relief they seek. she gave the trump administration a chance to fix defects so sensitive the information could be protected. a report is due march 24th, so there's a chance this ban may be lifted. give, rachel and kevin. rachel: thank you, paddy. so interesting seeing -- maddie. so interesting seeing these signs out there. we printed, to of course. i heart usaid, said no one other

than democrats after seeing the corruption, misspending and waste that was going on inside of that department. kevin: it was crazy. and griff was laying out some of the things that, to me, just shocked the senses. you were talking about -- griff: well, you'd think democrats would want to quietly get onboard with trump is so they don't have to defend male circumcision in mozambique -- rachel: or sesame street in iraq are. [laughter] griff: by the way -- rachel: $20 million? if. griff: it is interesting in maddie's report, he had that lee tissue saw that james' tweet claiming this massive victory, but as maaed aty correctly pointed out as a great reporter, this is as the judge is saying, well, hold on, let's look at the private data the concerns. it's not an outright ruling banning it. so we'll find out in march. but it's the crazy they're rushing to claim a victory that isn't actually a victory. rachel: donald trump's really forcing them. he's kind of cornering them.

because if they don't get onboard, as you said, they're left defending really the the indefensible. things that are so grotesque in terms of with what heir doing with our money. and the idea that they're defending government growth even. elon musk and doge try to cut back on the administrative state, cut back on the growth of government, and they're left defending, you know, growth in government, wasteful projects. kevin: right. and if you think about this from a midterms perspective, and i know we just got past an election, but obviously you have to think about 2026. remember this, as rachel points out, he was to be on the record now of either defending or criticizing some of the spending. and if you're running out there and you're telling your constituents in 2025, hey, listen, i'm for drag shows in country a, b or c, your voters may not if like that as a use of american taxpayer money to fund that. you want to pay for that on your own or have country a, b or c

pay for that, go for it. god god. but if you want the american taxpayer to put our hard a-earned money behind it, that may not play so well -- rachel: it'll also be interesting to see what happens in the midterm when the democrat party no longer has these ngos that they have been secretly funding to basically support themselves. kevin: right. ray you just saw -- rachel: you just saw in the energy department -- i'm sorry, lee zeldin's department -- kevin: epa. rachel: yeah, epa, finding the, quote-unquote, golden bars that were found that somehow ended up being, you know, potentially an ngo, a climate ngo that's run by stacey abrams. this is all a money laundering, all slush funds that were funding their own issues, their own party. griff: billions. rachel: using our money to do it. griff: you know, rachel, and, kevin, you're old enough to remember this too. i remember the day of the '90s

when rush limbaugh every day would find one single incidence of this, and he would rail on waste, fraud and abuse. newt gingrich would ultimately become the speaker of the house. republicans vowed to eradicate this stuff. but you know what if? in the past 30 years, not much got done. but yet in the first 30 days of the trump administration, hay a did more than conservative republicans, in fairness, did in 30 years. rachel: it's an indictment on republicans in congress -- griff: well, yeah. and now you have members of congress saying, well, you know, we handle the power of the purse. okay, well, you didn't do it before. kevin: that's right. griff: and now we're learning in a matter of transparent i city with the american people of just what's out there. let's go after it. you mentioned going on the record as a president trump eyes the postal service, my postman brings bones almost every day to my dog, rascal. i just put that on record, let's not end that. [laugher] rachel: yeah. you like your postman.

i want to move to this next topic becausest the really important, but just to be fair, congress would ask for transparency in records from these agencies, and the bureaucracy is so powerful that they'd just say, no, we're not giving it over, or they'd just tall -- griff: because they were okay with the status quo. rachel: perhaps, perhaps, or there's nothing they can do. sean would demand documents be sent is, and they'd just sit it out because we're going to be here longer than you, mister. and that's what they do. i think that's what donald trump is doing can be at a macro level, how do you break the federal union, how do you break the kind of power that they think. and back to what elon said, are we a democracy or a bureaucracy? and this is what this battle is ultimately all about. griff: and do it with a chainsaw, apparently. rachel: yeah. sometimes you break some eggs. look at this. pam bondi, asked about the the epstein file ifs, he said the epstein files are on my desk. i remember asking donald trump

about this back in the her if time. id asked him -- shut in the summertime. i asked him if he was going to to release these files. do we have that video, guys? americans have lost a lot of trust in institutions, and i think there's been a lot of discussion especially online and with young people, how do we rebuild that trust in institution thes, the cia a, the fbi -- >> you're right. rachel: some people think that one way to build trust is to declassify things that everyone's talking about. you talked earlier about i don't want to be a conspiracy theorist. so if you were president, would you declassify -- you can answer yes or no to these, would you declassify the 9/11 files in. >> yeah. rachel: jfk files? >> yeah. i did a lot of it. rachel: would you declassify the epstein files? >> yeah. yeah, i would. rachel: all right. >> i guess i would. i think that less so because you don't want to to effect people's lives if it's phony if stuff in there, because there's a lot of phony stuff with that whole

world -- rachel: do you think that would help restore trust in. >> i don't know about a epstein so much as i do the others. certainly about the way he died, it'd be interesting to find out what happened there because that was a weird situation. the cameras didn't happen to be working, etc., etc. e b but, yeah, i'd go a long way toward that one. kevin: great questions. griff: now we've got attorney general pam bondi talking yesterday about what she plans to do with these files sittingen on her desk. -- sitting on her desk. >> the doj may be releasing the list of jeffrey epstein's clients? if will that really happen in. >> it's state on my if -- sitting on my desk right now to review. that's been a directive by president trump. i'm reviewing that, i'm reviewing jfk files, mlk files because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. >> so have you seen anything that you said is, oh, my gosh? >> not yet. kevin: wow. griff if griff i think you

spurned that to happen, and now pam bondi's being -- producers think she's reviewing i. so it's not clear we're getting all of it -- rachel: i hope we get all of it. griff: -- mlk, jfk -- rachel: but the epstein stuff is serious though. we're talk about children, we're talking about sexual abuse. kevin: absolutely. and p remember, we're talking about a number of different potential crime scenes and videos that have been collected. one of the big differences i think now compared to the last four years is now there seems to be a real aggressive action toward transparency as we've been talking about all morning long. i do want to know where those tapes went. i do want to know what happened out in new mexico. i would like to know are there other women and children who have been impacted, for example, by this epstein -- not just by jeffrey epstein himself, but also by ghislaine maxwell and others who may or may not have been party to these circumstances on the east side of new york. so i think transparency,

sunlight, what they say, is the best disinfectant. rachel: let me tell you why i think this is important. i think it's important because we have a generation of young people who have been through the lies of covid that deeply impacted them, have seen all of these things transfire that we've been talking about -- transpire, and this is their chance to believe a this their government is honest again. kevin: amen. rachel: i think if these are not released in their a entirety and if this promise is not kept which, by the way, i believe president trump is going to keep this promise, but i think this is about retoring trust for young people in democracy. kevin: yeah. griff: it's such a -- because we've had these drones and we've talked about it here on the couch and elsewhere, the mysterious drones everywhere and the biden administration stonewalled, stonewalled, the trump administration comings in right away, okay, here's what that was. why was that so hard? you have a great point with young viewers. this is about the erosion of

trust with young people in their government, and that's not a good thing. that needs to be reversed. and i think transparency, they can see tangible transparency when they're look into whether it's epstein or rfk or jfk, okay, now i can see it. i can see it for myself, i can read it and, therefore -- rachel: yeah. there's a reason for government to have some secrets, but a lot of this is just about protecting powerful people, and this is a chance to reverse that. so so -- griff: all right. turning now to your headlines starting with a fox news alert, israel confirming hamas if has freed all six living hostages as part of phase one of the gaza deal. two were captured after a entering gaza about ten years ago. keep it here, we'll have a live report or from tel aviv in about 15 minutes and bring you the latest. and a covid-like bad virus -- bat virus has been discovered by researchers at the same chinese lab accused of leaking covid-19 back in 2020.

unbelievable. the new study by the wuhan institute of virology says the potential for the bat virus to spill if over into humans, quote, remains to be investigated. you recall the cia and other u.s. agencies believed covid-19 most likely originated from that lab, but that's something that china to in this day still denies. rachel: that that's another thing we want to know about, the truth about covid. griff: let's get it out. meanwhile, luigi mangione who is accused of killing united health care ceo brian thompson was in a new york courtroom yesterday. his attorneys claim he was searched illegally during his acin pennsylvania and is looking to exclude related evidence. supporters of the 26-year-old lined up outside of the courthouse creating a circus-like atmosphere. mangione pleaded not guilty to multiple charges including murder as an act of terrorism. a trial date has not yet been set. and those are your headlines.

rachel: all right. well, louisiana is advancing president trump's push to restore american energy dominance. the state's governor -- i love that. he's just, like, fist pumping right next to me, kevin korb is. -- kevin corker is. the state's governor shares his plan next. kevin: drill, baby, drill.

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♪ rachel: the trump administration green lighting its first liquified natural gas plant in louisiana. the move aligning with the president's promise to restore america's energy dominance. louisiana governor jeff landry just met with the president at the governors' working session, and he joins us now. governor, it's so great to have you on. so talk to me about a what -- first of all, let's talk about this, that in your state they have just approved the first lng plant. i'm actually surprised that this hasn't happened before. talk to me about what this means for louisiana and for america's energy independence. >> well, actually, what they really did was green light the first lng permits since the biden administration if took over four years ago and started crippling america's domestic energy production. we've got a number of lng facilities that actually operate off the coast -- on the coast of louisiana, and this was a project that that the

commonwealth had been waiting for and is much needed around the world. and the biden administration had basically put their thumb on exit, basically, was trying to kill it. and what president trump did with his unbelievable team -- look, i've got to tell you, president trump's team when it comes to energy with governor doug burgum and chris wright are a super team. they came in there and they green lighted this project. it's going to be an economic win for louisiana and an economic win for the world as well. rachel: yeah. it is an economic win for the state and also for the country. it's also national security, isn't it? >> oh, it's 100% that. and it's the one thing that president trump understands, is that you grow an economy when you have affordable, reliable energy. he has always a understood that. he stands for domestic production. he wants the united states to lead when it comes to domestic energy, and louisiana's a key state in doing that. rachel: so what would you like

on your wish list for the trump administration to do moving forward? it looks like you have a great team to work with, they're obviously open to your ideas. what else do you want to see happen? >> look, i think the more we push regulatory reform, the more we streamline the permitting process, the more we unleash the great entrepreneurs that that exist in the united states, we're going to have investment come into this, into our country, we're going to bring manufacturing back here. as long as we continue down a path of reliable, sustainable energy production, we're going to win. rachel: well, that's what americans want. donald trump, president trump said we would get tired of winning at one point. [laughter] we're glad to see this is moving forward in such a positive way. drill, baby, drill was definitely on the agenda during the election, and it looks like it's moving forward at a very rapid pace p. governor, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. rachel: you got it. a fox news alert, all six living hostages freed today by hamas

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griff: we're back with a fox news alert. all a six hostages released today as part of the gaza ceasefire deal are back in israel with some already reunited with their loved ones. these images just, they are so touching, so emotional. greg palkot is live in if tel aviv with the latest. hey, greg. >> reporter: hey. yeah, it was a dramatic day here in israel. the return of for hostages by hamas. first to come out of captivity, a 40-year-old, snatched on the fateful october 7th, plus a 39-year-old held 10 years after crossing into gaza. the militants putting on a display before that handover with red cross. next, three israelis many in their 20s, grabbed by hamas if

at a music festival. all today looking thinner and showing the effects of illnesses they have suffered. and a 36-year-old having also been held for a decade after a crossing into gaza. all those now have been brought to the idf and israel, most at a hospital here many if tel aviv, most reuniting with close family members to be exchanged for all these by israel some 600 palestinian prisoners. a high price but maybe worth it. across israel including kids in the former school of one host averages people celebrated amid sadness. four more deceased hostages are set to be released next week, some 60 dead and alive still being held by hamas. and one more note. the body of shiri bibas, the mother of two young son, symbols of this hostage horror, now back

in israel. an a unknown woman who had been returned with the kids, the by bass family now simply saying shiri is returned home. again, sadness and joy today, a mixture on a very dramatic, dramatic day in israel. back to you. griff: yeah. after 500 days. greg palkot live in tel aviv, thank you. kevin, over to you with. kevin: griff, thank you so much. 30 minutes after the hour. to another fox news alert, president trump says his administration is actually close to striking a deal with ukraine,s promising u.s. access to natural resources in exchange for support against russia. >> -- are you to striking a minerals finish. >> i think they're pretty close. i think they want it, they feel good about it. it's significant. it's a big deal, but they want it. it keeps us in that a country, and they're very happy about it. but it's -- we get our money back. this should have been signed long before we went in.

it should have been signed by biden, but biden didn't know too much about what a he was doing. kevin: former u.s. senior diplomat gregory slayton is in ukraine. he joins us now. the president says, gregory, that that we're fairly close to making a deal. i think having access to important minerals seems to not only fit the bill when it comes to american interest, it also helps to recoup, at least the administration peoples like, some of the cost american taxpayers have laid out billions, hundreds of billions of dollars. where are we on this, and do you think it'll happen? >> yes, kevin, i do. and i think it makes a lot of sense for us as a america. i think it makes a lot of sense for ukraine. there's actually over a trillion dollars in minerals, rare earths, oil and a huge natural gas deposit in eastern ukraine that some of our oil companies were exploring before the russians invaded. so i think it makes a lot of sense, and i'm glad to see the partnership moving forward.

kevin: you know, i think a lot of americans would also feel that way especially, again, from this perspective that we really want not just for people to have peace, we want to see this war stopped, but we also a want to see maybe just a bit of our investment pay off. let me ask you this, from the administration's perspective, has it been going the way you thought it would go? and i mean that in comparison to how things were going under the previous administration. >> well, you know, one always hopes for peace. but the truth is peace through strength is the only way to ensure that peace is going to be long lasting. we saw what happened this if afghanistan -- in afghanistan a the sham retreat. that was really the beginning of the end of the biden administration. we saw nixon and kissinger in vietnam basically give up on our south vietnamese allies. six months later north vietnam

invades, destroys our allies and turns that country into a communist hell hole. and, of course, there's hitler, right? [laughter] a peace in our time. kevin: sure. >> so we've got to be careful about that. we've got to have peace through strength, and i think president trump is just the one to make that happen. kevin: i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about the book, "portraits of ukraine: a nation at war" with 100% of the profits, by the way, going to ukrainian charities. walk me through why this is so important, to get the word out right now. >> well, thank you so much, kevin. really appreciate your mentioning it. there's a great deal of disinformation. you hear people saying, well, ukraine attacked russia or nato attacked russia. that's completely untrue, right? if so what we did, we had a team in ukraine, a team in poland, a team in the united states doing a tremendous amount of research, docks uniting that research about a -- documenting that research about a ukrainian history, culture, language. it's separate from russia. it's a a separate, independent

nation a, ask and it has been for a long, long time. so we put that together, and then we have a chapter on the russian invasion. no, this was not a ukrainian invasion. no, it was not a nato invasion. kevin: right. >> this was a russian invasion. and ukraine's very brave, very incredible defense of its own freedom, its people and its future. so that's why we can did it. again, we want -- we are giving 100% of the profits the ukrainian charities, and thank you for showing the book, thank you for mentioning it. folks can get it on amazon or at "portraits of ukraine".org. and, again, 10 to -- 100% of the profits do go to really great ukrainian charities. portraits of -yard line.org. -- portraits of ukraine.org. kevin: thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much. kevin: blessings to you and yours. 35 minutes now after the hour.

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pandemic. rachel: is so sad. and in the past five years, catholic schools saw a 23% drop in enrollment. the archbishop of new york, timothy cardinal dolan, joins us now. cardinal, it's great to have you here. >> appreciate the invitation, rachel, griff, kevin. thanks for the invitation. kevin: thank you, cardinal. rachel: we celebrated catholic schools week here on -- i think it was a couple of weeks ago. we brought in the choir from my children's school -- >> i remember. rachel: in new jersey. that school is bursting at the seams. >> yeah. rachel: their biggest problem at our lady of mount car knell is they just -- caramel, they can't find the enough buildings to aa come date the families, and yet you have these schools closing in new york city, one of them 117 years old. i want to know, i have some ideas what i think is happening, but i want to hear why you think those schools are closing and yet just across the bridge they

can't keep up with enrollment. >> i'd be eager to hear your ideas, rachel, because the parents are the ones on the front lines which, by the way, that's part of the magic of catholic schools. local are control, families, neighborhoods, parents, alleluia. we don't need some top-heavy bureaucracy running things. good news is we do have schools that are waiting list, schools like your own, rachel, that are burst withing at the seams. a lot of it depends on demographics, on where the schools are. so when you've got schools in the bronx, all those schools could be jam packedded, we'd be building new ones, but the people can't afford them, right in we try to keep our tuition low, usually between $4-5,000 a year which we have scholarships thanks to the benefactors of this great community that we can usually pick up at least half if not a little more. but even that, if you look at it, 2 thou a year is tough for these struggling families. a lot depends on the demographics. we've got schools elsewhere that

are jam packed, schools that are thriving, and that that's what hurts us, i think. it hurts me. i love talking about our catholic schools. i love them. i'm passionate about this them. they're still strong, and the future's looking bright for a number of reasons. but i literally tear up when we have to close them. and we just had to to go through some of that again. and it literally breaks our heart. one of the good things is, again, talking about demographics, we never try to close a school where there's not another one nearby. kevin: right. >> because we want to make sure, so is sometimes we say what's important is a good, strong catholic schools. we've got them in abun a dance and that the kids are there. the address of it is not as important as the actual existence of it. kevin: right, right. >> so we will say this school's struggling. it's a good school, but it's struggling in enrollment. the one nearby is struggling. why not combine them and have a strong, vibrant, full school than two that are struggling.

so sometimes i kind of -- we got a statistic, folks, that when the schools close about 70 of those kids do -- 70% of those kids do enroll in a a nearby if catholic school -- rachel: cardinal,, the greatest investment that the catholic church can do. i look at a lot of the charities hat church does, and i wonder why we don't put more into catholic schools to make it more affordable to those families who with can't afford it. i would say to you with all a catholic schools are not created equal. the catholic school that my children attend is very orthodo- >> there you go. rachel: it's a classical catholic school, and it is not catholic light -- >> way to go. rachel: -- it's catholic all the way. if it's catholic light, you might as well send them to public school. >> you got it. kevin: spot on. >> catholic schools are formed for two reasons, quality, character-based, first class education and passing on the faith.

both of those are essential. i'm afraid, rachel, you're on to something. rachel: i usually am a, cardinal. >> so i hear. [laughter] these guys are nodding their heads a, and i've met sean, and i know that's true. but it's that that second one, because some of the parents are saying, you know, if we're going to sacrifice, we want something quality, we want something unapologetically catholic. we want the faith to be passed on. those are the schools that are thriving, so you're on to something. i've got pastors saying i'm busting my chops to keep the school open, but yet when they leave eighth grade, onsee them at sunday mass. and the pastor's saying is my school stressing the commandments, the bible, prayer, fidelity, the sacraments? if not, why do we have them? kevin: i'm a product of catholic schools. >> way to go. do you owe tuition? [laughter] kevin: lord know, my poor mom. god bless you -- >> at? where were you? kevin: i was at a st. phillips

in st. louis, blessed act sacrament in denver, st. patrick's -- >> did you keep getting expelled or what? [laughter] kevin: exactly. it speaks back to what ray -- rachel was saying about being able to afford a quality education. and if you're a participant, you really want your -- a parent, you really want your children to get a good education, but here's the thing, cardinal dolan. i feel there's a bit of a shift in our culture away from -- let me share this stat here. the importance of religion to americans. >> oh. kevin: i grew up, it was incredibly important p. in fact, it was mandatory, i don't mind telling you. you were definitely going to be at a mass, brother, every single sunday is. but as you look there, i'm just curious, what do you think is behind what's happening right now in. >> well, you -- this is really something. this is very accurate, i'm afraid. so what you've got are catholic schools thrived when we had what you might if call an intact, cohesive catholic culture.

they were an essential part of it. when i grew up, there was no question, you would send your children to catholic schools. as the the engine of faith declines which, tragically, is happening in our country, people feel that a faith-based, character-based, virtue-based education is not as important. we'd rather have the flashy laboratories. we'd rather have the glitzy gyms than the bible and the crucifix and the ten command ifments and the virtues and the -- commandments -- and the classical learning. kevin: well said. >> when that goes down, people are going to the feel we're kind of losing the competition. the major reason, i mentioned one reason why our catholic schools are struggling, a because some of our wonderful people who come from tough families can't afford it, okay? number two, the parents aren't sending them there. rachel: that's right a. >> i get nasty mail, and i'm tempted to right -- write back and say, i didn't close it. ask the people in your neighborhood and parish who

don't send their kids to school -- rachel: you know what, cardinal? too many parents carry more about a getting their kids into harvard than heaven -- >> way to go. that's our goal. kevin: i love that. >> and, by the way, if if you want to get your kids into harvard and heaven, send them to a catholic are school because we've got the the best graduation rates, s.a.t.s, the best perseverance around -- rachel: and you were open during covid. >> you bet we were. griff: before we run out of time, we've got to ask you about the pope and his health. >> look, we've got to be realistic as he is. when you get double pneumonia in anybody, you're worried. when you've got double pneumonia in an 88-year-old man who's only got 75% of his lung capacity and is struggling with arthritis and a bunch of stuff, it's not looking good. i admire his grit, his resilience, i'm praying with him and for him, but i think we have to be realistic, as he certainly is. rachel: yeah. not a good diagnosis.

>> not too good, no. griff: if i could ask you one thing, i don't want to put you on the spot here, but we were dealing with the pope's letter to the u.s. bishops, and he was harsh. he had a pointed message that would appear to be directed at the trump administration if's efforts to get the border under control, to crack down, to remove criminal illegal migrants which we see happening, but there was pretty stern language in that. what are your thoughts on -- >> there was, griff. although i tell you this, that's what i heard first. when i read it, i said this isn't that bad. hey, a country has a right to defend its borders. a country has a right the a sane, victimmive immigration policy. -- selective. he's just saying you don't want to go to the extremes where immigrants become disposable. you don't want to go to an extreme where immigrants become the pennys when the over-- enemies when the overwhelming majority are good people. you're right, the initial read, this is a blast from the holy father. when i reread it --

rachel: what do you feel about the fact that, you know, so many catholic organizations have been involved, have actually been acting as a, you know, ngos during this whole border crisis? and there's a complicity. we've covered on here, on this show very extensively over 30 300,000 children lost -- 300,000 children lost by the biden administration. and yet the catholic church has been very much complicit in this whole, you know, process of people coming illegally, you know, the catholic church giving money for being part of that, the ngos that are -- as the people get trafficked through our country. what is your take? how old the church be in this business? -- should the church with in this business? if they want to do charity the people here illegally, shouldn't they do it and not be involved in the government in that way? >> we do a lot of our own aid, but we do depend on the government, you're right. i would say, rachel, you're correct in that we're complicit in the care for the immigrant.

we're not complicit in the policy. rachel: but you're suing the trump administration, the catholic bishops are. >> for saying we can't care for the immigrant. we've got to care for the immigrant whether i like it or not, it's a moral imperative. of just like we have to to teach the kids and care for the elders. don't restrict our religious liberty by saying we can't exercise this gospel mandate. we're also for a secure border. there's nobody that knows our messed up immigration system needs if cleaning up and reformed more than catholic charities. we inherited this mess. we didn't can for it. these people are coming. we don't ask for a passport or a green card. you're hungry, we'll do our best to period you, but would you please fix this? if. griff: it's such a great -- >> she's a great debater. rachel: i just wish they'd care more about catholic schools and not get involved in this dirty business. griff: more "fox & friends" up.

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kevin: welcome back, everybody. guys shoot, ladies throw. rachel: all right!

griff: take your best shot. kevin: there you go. griff: hold on. watch this right here. it's the reverse -- rachel: oh, i'm so close to getting it in! [laughter] if. kevin: one more of those, oh! griff: and there's one out of the pen. kevin: we're gonna take this shot -- rachel: i did it! griff: we got one. >> good job. kevin: did you throw one -- [inaudible conversations] finish. rachel: bye, everybody. stay tuned tomorrow -- griff: stay warm! kevin: i know, stay warm. good job is. you got two in that one. >> i got two. griff griff oh! it wasn't in there? it came out. have a great weekend! ♪ ♪ >> you are looking live at a national harbor, maryland, where president donald trump i