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to effectively find 15% reduction in fraud and waste. and we bring the receipts. >> we are cutting down government. we are cutting down the size of government and we have to. we are bloated, sloppy and a lot of people not doing their job. >> john: class is in session. president trump meeting with his cabinet for the first time in the second term promising to downsize the government one agency at a time. as the administration to clean up waste and federal agencies, we are learning more about another troubling example, this one in the intelligence community. welcome back as ame maga in the second power. to be have your attention? >> sandra: sandra smith in new york director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard says 100 intelligence officers allegedly took part in lewd chats and agency chat rooms under the guise of dei.

she is now ordering an investigation and says anyone determined to be involved will be shown the door. >> john: republican senator tom cotton is here with his thoughts on that in a moment. >> sandra: we look forward to that that lucas tomlinson has more for us, lucas, what were people talking about in these chat rooms? >> sandra, good afternoon. they conversations were so lewd i could not say on cable news if my mother-in-law was watching a mississippi. the director of national intelligence has fired 100 people in the intelligence community over 50 agencies and alleged ties to conversations on the message board. tulsi gabbard told jesse watters she revoked security clearances. >> holding these individuals accountable is just the beginning of what we are seeing across the trump administration which is carrying out the mandate the american people gave him. clean house and rode out rot and

corruption and weaponization and politicization to rebuild that trust. >> the manhattan institute christopher rufo broke the stories and the national security agency platform showing a group of people using it to discuss fantasies under the guise of diversity, equity and inclusion. a spokesperson for tulsi gabbard said dei will ensure refuses mission to protect the safety, security and freedom of the american people and red ic of the nonsense the biden administration pushed for four years. >> their loyalty is not at all to america. it is not to the american people or the constitution but to themselves. they star exactly the kind of people we need to root out, so that the patriots who do work in this area who are committed to our core mission can actually focus on that. >> expect the subject to come up future hearings on capitol hill

with filemaker's outrage perhaps the next guest as well, sandra. >> sandra: to ut did that perfectly lucas thomas and, town. >> john: let's dig deeper with hot topics with arkansas and select intelligence committee. so your thoughts on this lewd endless inches chat room going on among intelligence officials more than 100 getting fired. >> john, my first thought material is so inappropriate not even lucas tomlinson will repeat it you know it must be bad. >> john: exactly. obviously they should not happen on government computer system much less less intelligent systems. i had a chance to speak with tulsi gabbard and she is holding accountable anyone engaged in this kind of his conduct and with such misconduct and bad judgment, i don't think we want anyone near classified information. she has committed to getting to the bottom by this was tolerated

two years during the biden administration. these systems are designed for intelligence officers across a number of agencies to share information if collaborating on the nuclear program iran has. but not designed for personal use and certainly not wildly inappropriate use. >> john: so give us insight. what gives rise to behavior like this that was supposed to be a very, very serious set of institutions? >> well, it is hard to imagine, john, why anyone in the intelligence community and that committee could get away with classified intelligence network designed for intelligence officers to collaborate on professional matters for work. and the fact that you had apparently more than 100 people engaged in this misconduct does raise questions what kind of oversight you had during the biden administration and why there were power systems in place to catch this content or why the systems manipulated.

i'm glad to know director tulsi gabbard is taking this with seriousness and hold those participants accountable also looking back to why it escaped notice or might have been brushed under the rug during the biden administration. >> john: i want to at the same time coke close to home for you over the issue of china. at the president talking about he wants to invest in china and wants china to invest in the united states but your home state governor sarah sanders said investment only go so far. listen to what she says. >> arkansas was the first state in the nation to kick a communist chinese company off of our farmland and out of our state. we will expand that law with a communist chinese defense act. at that investing state resources from communist china and banning adversaries from buying land around things like military bases and electric substations. >> john: how do you reconcile those two things the president wanting more chinese investment in the united states and your

governor saying do not buy our farmland? i command governor sarah sanders in the legislature to make sure china has not buying up critical assets for instance around air force base or the farmland is critical as well. china depends on food imports. we shouldn't be helping communist china to get more of our food products for our people or friendly nations pro-american people around the world. i have similar legislation in congress to stop chinese investment of chinese national or chinese communist party companies in american real estate. my new book "seven things you can't say about china" china has a long pattern to do this aroud grand forks air force base in north dakota with many sensitive activities. they were as a pattern of chinese communist trying to get real estate close to a very sensitive land just like a spy balloon across america two years ago. and i know another issue close

to your heart is afghanistan because you served over there. the fact nobody held accountable for disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan from the biden administration. according to the defense secretary pete hegseth at this morning's cabinet meeting, there may be yet accountability. listen to what he said here. >> afghanistan and the botched withdrawal. all the channels and command staff involved with the drill fired were relieved of duty? that is a great idea. i'm not going to tell this man what to do but i will say if i had his place, i would fire every single one of them. that is a very good question. >> it is a question we talk a lot about, we do a complete reveal every single aspect what happened with the botched withdrawal of afghanistan afghanistan and plan to have full accountability. >> john: lawrence jones asking the question there. what you say go to an investigation underway and pete hegseth with full accountability for those who

might have botched this withdrawal? >> i think that action review is appropriate, john and it never happened in the biden administration and compass at the time had no interest in exposing exactly what happened in afghanistan. we owe it to every american trooper who served in afghanistan, especially those wounded or those who lost someone in afghanistan to include the families of the abbey gate victims. we also have to be worried about the threat that continues from afghanistan because with joe biden's disastrous withdrawal, they have allowed terrorism to return to afghanistan. to the land in which the 9/11 attacks. i applaud pete hegseth and marco rubio as well because the state department is the lead agency for any kind of noncombatant evacuation. they obviously planned poorly in the lead up to the collapse of afghanistan. >> john: we look forward to what that investigation may bring. senator, thank you for joining us go to appreciate it.

>> thank you, john. >> john: senator cotton said no one has been held accountable in many members have said the same thing with disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan. it may yet be that someone is held accountable for that tragedy that you see on the screen right now with the 13 service members killed at abbey gate. and then the horrible situation as a result of that terrible withdrawal. >> sandra: i am in touch with several gold star families and so many of them feel like they are not getting their questions answered. many of them still demanding accountability. we think of them every day, john, but they have gone through since that day. all right, now this. >> right now, it is hard to come through the border. but look, the damage has been done. we have lost millions of people to fentanyl and it comes mostly from china but it comes through mexico when it comes to canada.

>> sandra: president trump ramping up efforts to take on drug cartels and the fentanyl crisis and shining light how much this deadly drug team over the border during the previous administration. >> john: plus, active as a los angeles posting names, photos and personal information of i.c.e. agents to revolt against deportations. will those people doxxing the agents face prosecution? agents face prosecution? we will break it down with jonathan fahey acting i.c.e.leav director just ahead. ♪ ♪ dire it's like all their apps and channels... are connected. oh, it's allll connected... shows, movies, sports, cooking shows. — oh my god cooking shows! — is she talkin' to us? tell me, how does directv put all your favorite stuff on one home screen? uncanny content suggestions based on your watch history? or mind control? were you recently electrocuted? well i for one, am intrigued! ♪

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it impacts all races, religious, social economic status and political affiliation periods payment testimony from the jake i want your mother the linebacker who was just 20 years old when he died after taking a pill he did not know was laced h fentanyl. the senate the trump administration targets drug cartels bringing vop weight into the united states. ice director jonathan fahey joins us in a few moments but what can we learn from today's hearing? >> john, everybody is an all-hands-on-deck from the perspective of republicans and democrats strong bipartisan support in congress to work aggressively with the trump administration to give them more resources to combat cartels and stop the flow of fentanyl in the u.s. which claims 90,000 lives a year. the chairman and ranking member at senate commerce committee that we heard from today singing from the same page. >> trying to have a country

without borders led to an influx of illegal aliens, drug smuggling, sex trafficking, and tragically far too many american lives lost. >> if you leave a territory and addressed, that is where the drug will flow. attacking this all levels is the right idea. >> john: as she played the harboring testimony from jay callender's mother, we are reminded of the imaginable grief of this crisis and pleading with washington did do more appear to speak with this lethal epidemic is destroying families. i am just one mom who lost her precious son. you are among the most powerful people in the country, in there is no higher use empowered and to save someone's child and perhaps even your own. in congress wants to bolster the fight against the cartels and the coast guard more involved giving more tools with better information sharing with cbp. we learned, john, the

coast guard are doing some of this earlier this month and they say some 30,000 pounds of cocaine or $275 million. it seems like we will see them more now. >> john: good friends and daughters graduated from the coast guard academy and died on one of the drug interdiction. that is the assignment. graph, thank you for that, sandra. i.c.e. thank you, jonathan fahey, former acting i.c.e. director and secretary running as from d.c. and good to have you in new york today. what about the fentanyl crisis in the present as clearly as we continue to hear prioritizing, are they going about this the right way and are we seeing improvement in the situation? >> 30 days we see tremendous amount of improvement because the illegal immigration as well as fentanyl both controlled by cartels. so we are taking money from the cartels by stopping illegal immigration, that we are also

doing things because less people coming across the border. border patrol agents and law enforcement able to focus on drug interdiction which they haven't been able to do enter the last administration. dhs and border patrol agents doing something as silly as babysitting migrants instead of going after drug traffickers. what is shameful, the last four years under the biden administration we have had 400,000 americans die mostly from fentanyl but other drugs as well. they have been totally derelict in their duties and impact the border crisis was intentional to bring an illegal aliens. just in 30 days we stop the flow of drugs coming in and people turning around. so yes, getting it under control and hopefully codify some things that are working to keep people from coming in and keep the drugs from coming in. >> sandra: interesting moment when jarod forget and drug enforcement and administration, really key what they see as far as efforts at the border.

watch. >> this renewed effort that we have coupled with these new immigration authorities that we now have. you can actually use those renewed authorities and work with partners because i can tell you this, these criminals and criminal networks we are battling against are truly worldwide. to the cartels in particular are in every u.s. state and every mexican state. they are global in nature and dozens of countries worldwide. >> sandra: this is really serious stuff from the cartels to the drugs. it goes back to common sense, right, if you tighten up border security, you stop the bad guys coming in and the drugs flowing over. this is a report not to be overlooked in stats with border patrol south west border procedures in the popular drug fentanyl. the apprehension is declined and clear sign of the increased border security. bingo! >> exactly. and you keep the other people from coming in, you can focus on

the fentanyl and other things killing americans every single day. the other thing they will focus on a lot is china because most of these precursor drugs the fentanyl made from china to mexico to the united states. we know china is a totalitarian state so if they want to stop things leaving the country, they certainly can do so. expect trump administration to ramp up pressure on china and the cartels which massive organization should talk about making billions and billions of dollars. we need to fight with all resources and donald trump is certainly doing that right now. >> sandra: so much support from the american people and we saw in the election the increase for border security. this is president trump earlier in the open cabinet meeting in the press room. >> a lot of the activists are acting illegally. we will get back to our attorney general, and she will take a look at that strongly. but we also have tremendous support from border patrol, from i.c.e., the i.c.e. agents

unbelievable and border patrol leadership and border patrol have been incredible. they are working well. >> sandra: he is trying to have back of the border patrol agents that are getting doxed by l.a. activists. we have seen the video out there. now we know they are trying to break up deportation raids. things are getting dangerous. when you start publishing the personal information about these agents, you are endangering the agents. you are endangering their families. >> exactly, and everyone around them. it is scary to hear it, but there are a couple of things they can prosecute them for. doxxing agents is a federal offense and 199 if you release information knowing to threaten them or knowingly threat them which seems to be the case or obstruction of justice. they will go after these people, catch them and process them. but the rhetoric in these things are the same things the

democratic party has been saying for years when vilifying i.c.e. agents and vilifying border patrol. several years back kamala harris was a senator and she compared i.c.e. agents to kkk. joe biden falsely accused border patrol agents have whipping migrants for racially motivated. so the democratic party, i hope every leader in the congress is called to task on this and condemns this. this is out of balance in every respect. somebody will either die or get injured or something else really bad will happen because i fit. >> sandra: really quit, of the i.c.e. flyers and we have a picture of it. obviously a call to action for violence to stop deportation raids. you are asking everybody in the community to condemn this, but will there be accountability? i think there will be accountability and they will catch the people and hopefully all of the leaders will agree this is out of balance.

hopefully it will be held accountable and locked up. >> sandra: great to have you in the studio, thank you so much, john. >> john: could the menendez brothers be one step closer to freedom? more on the major move by california's governor coming up. plus this. speak of the population does not want him playing in women's spou better comply because otherwise you are not getting any federal funding. >> see you in a court. >> good i will see you in court. >> sandra: the showdown between main governor and the president. the lawmaker fighting for fairness in women's sports.ne that representative laura libby willedor y join us next. veterans have earned a lot of va benefits with their service, but the va home-loan benefit is a big one. by using your benefit at newday, you can borrow up to one hundred percent of your home's value. take out an average of seventy thousand dollars! use that money to pay off high-rate debt and get back on your feet financially.

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order in state representative censured for fighting for fairness and growth sports joins us in moments but first, alexis mcadams lives in a hobo for a spiritual what can you tell us about this athlete fight happening there? >> sandra, i think for people watching in new jersey but across the country wondering how is this battle going on after executive order to keep men out of women sports coach up and it continues and the attorney general is about to get involved. this comes as we talk with athletes who have worked so hard to make trek across country, basketball you name it and worried to get the opportunities take away against competing against transgender men. >> i don't want to be scared that there could be a boy in the locker room or bathroom with me. i don't want to lose an opportunity or a scholarship to a boy when it is meant to be for a woman in sports.

>> in nature as a boys can compete in high school sports because new jersey association that regulates the high school sports says it will not change the policy that allows that. the group says the policy has been in place more than a decade and says zero controversies according to them. but this policy defies federal law and against president trump's executive orders and sets the stage for another legal battle. pam bondi threatening actions if the states do not comply. she wrote to maine and california, minnesota. californians think the garden state will be next. >> when you ignore something that is wrong that is happening, you are allowing it to happen so you are effectively endorsing it. by staying out of out of that, agency is endorsing this. it is endorsing inequality and the dangers that come along with it. >> so what happens if the states

don't comply is the question. according to the trump administration they will pull funding or withhold funding from the states and that includes maine, california and possibly new jersey but the other states not listening. according to state, how much funding, new jersey is supposed to get $1 billion in federal funding just to be used for education. i guess if you don't comply, you can get it withheld. it is not my fault so why would the funding fee withheld? we will see what happens. >> sandra: alexis adams on that, john. >> john: let's bring in mainstay representative laura libby who has been censured for her position on this issue. laura, it is great to catch up with you. the reason why you were censured in the maine legislature is because you posted a number of times on x a picture of this transgender athlete. we have blurred out the athletes face, that you didn't in your post dating, "another day and

another instance of remarkable biological athlete that couldn't compete against male athletes but dominating girls sports." the reason you were censured as you posted without the faces blurred. and i think a lot of folks at home said, was that the right thing to do? >> yeah, that is the discretion of the democrats trying to turn this into. that individual participated in a public event and photograph many times. at those photos are on websites all over the internet. to a simple google search proves that. it is not unique his photo is out there. but what is unique it got attention this time and brought attention to the fact boys are participating in biological males are winning and girls sports in maine and taking the place of girls they should be winning these competitions and are being misplaced and silenced and removed from the sports arena. >> john: "the new york times" contracted with ipsos polling to

do a poll to take the temperature of voters across america in this issue. this is interesting 79% of respondents said transgender athlete should not be allowed to compete in women's sports. republicans were 94%, even democrats 67%. clear majority, across the board on this issue. >> absolutely and the numbers we see reflected in maine and fellow mainers and time this has brought to light. our girls deserve better and a fair level playing field. i think it is quite true and maine 89% of folks do not think biological males should participate in sports against females and taking their trophies away. >> john: here is what riley gaines, of course on this program a number of times and a big supporter of biological males not playing in women sports. a female representative and maine lost her ability to speak

on the house floor for defending girls and women. no, this did not happen in afghanistan. it happened in america. the house speaker ryan fact that sin until you apologize until you can out there to make neithr speak on the floor or vote. what do you plan to do about it? are you ready to go on the mat about this? >> considering my options, i do not believe the center's constitutional. i do not believe the legislature with simple majority vote has the ability to censure a legislature voted by my district silencing their voices. so, i am exploring options there. >> john: all right. here too of course the entire nation is aware of the dust up between president trump and maine's governor, janet mills the other day and the state dining room at the white house. but apparently the governor is fund-raising up with that confrontation saying the following "i want to make one

thing clear, maine will not be intimidated by the president's threats. the work to push back against the trump administration can you donate $10 to maine department to make sure they have the resources to fight for the state? she may need the money because president trump said in response to her, okay, i will see you in court. >> it is remarkable to me at the same time governor mills stands $250 million does not come to maine students. she is fund-raising off of that. i was incredulous when i read that because here or, the governor is costing our state education funds that are very needed. and at the same time, benefiting from it. >> john: we will continue to follow the story. it is obviously a hot one across the state and not just the state of maine. appreciate it. >> john: it seems the tide is

turning this issue have biological men and women sports, particularly after the president signed the executive order in the ncaa initially appeared to go along with that. but states like maine until i california and others who continue to resist this idea that girls sports and women sports should be for females. >> sandra: yeah, thank goodness there are adults in the room standing up for these girls. it has been brittle for so many of them. some of them will not get their time back in these competitions or sporting events where they lost out to biological male, john, but it seems like things are progressing and many of these dates at least garrett has when you take a look at the situation with this one particular transgender athlete, that student when the student competed with the boys came fifth, i think the best finish was fifth, but in the women's division, blew the field away. i think the pole vault was

nearly a foot higher than all of the other competitors. >> sandra: i think i said this yesterday when we did this on the program, pole vault for many in track and field, we consider that one, you have to be one of the most well-rounded, toughest athletes out there for the pole vault competition because it is all-encompassing. so much strength. >> john: you have to have so much upper body strength to hoist yourself over the bar, incredible. we will keep watching this. it has clearly captivated the nation. >> sandra: the measles outbreak in texas turned steadily. how state and federal government's plan to address that. >> john: researchers find new links to the chronic symptoms experienced after the covid-19 inoculations. dr. mahsa tehrani with her thoughts on this just ahead.

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>> incidentally, there have been four measles outbreaks they share. to end this country, last year, 16. two it is not unusual to have measles outbreaks every year. >> the confirmed measles death the first in a decade according to texas both department and school age child not vaccinated was hospitalized in the lepic last weekend tested positive for measles. to the latest outbreak in texas is going with 124 cases since late january. and temp to new neighboring mexico. georgia announced two today. since the 20th, measles cases in california, new jersey, road i like and republican senator bill cassidy said spreading in his state's direction and pairs and reacted to the texas child death riding absolutely devastating encouraging parents to make sure tell it up-to-date on vaccines. the measles vaccine is safe and

effective. senator cassidy stated earlier this month kennedy assured he would protect public health benefit of vaccination despite past skepticism and signed by president trump withdrawing from world health organization, the cdc participate virtually and w.h.o. vaccine conference this week. it is unclear if the agency received an exemption to do so, john. >> john: it is troubling in texas and mexico as well. thank you, alex, sandra. >> sandra: in a study with covid vaccines to long-term side effects. dermatologist, dr. mahsa tehrani. thank you for being here appear to a lot of questions and to this research revealing discoveries over chronic symptoms some may take on after getting the covid vaccine. what did they learn? >> thank you for having me, sandra, covid vaccines

instrumental in covid illness and death but a small percentage of patient while ask if the vaccine in a few days excess at the fatigue, exercise intolerance, number will numbness and tingling. when this happens one or two days after the vaccine is called proposed vaccination syndrome. so studies, researchers at yale university school of medicine looked at 42 patients who developed post-vaccination syndrome and 22 patients who got the vaccine that never got side effects from it. they found some really interesting blood test results in the blood test that developed the syndrome found significantly different ratios of white blood cells in our immune system markers different. they also found the side effects had evidence of reactivation which we known as mono. finally, they found what you

recalled the covid virus infects our bodies and persistent elevation in the spiked up to 700 days, which is very unusual. >> sandra: wow, good information but meanwhile, dr. brand-new research that shows sleepless night is as bad for your immune system as obesity. tell us about that. >> you know, we have linked lack of sleep to a lot of chronic illnesses, obesity, cardiovascular disease in this study helps why that may be. a group of researchers looked at 237 healthy patients and categorized them based on weight, lean, overweight and obese appeared to have a look them up to sleep monitors and took blood testing and found obese patients had poorer quality of sleep and very highly elevated chronic information markers throughout the will study. fan, they looked at the lien group of patients and took

five participants from that group and these guys had a completely normal information markers. they said for 24 hours, you will not sleep. we will test your blood test markers for inflammation. guess what at the end of 24-hour sleep deprivation and the markers shot up the mayor obese patients. they were allowed to sleep tonight and those information markers came back down to normal. what is interesting when i take away the source of all evil in medicine, sandra. we had to decrease information by inflammatory diet, exercise and focus on restorative sleep 7-9 hours a night. >> sandra: it is good if you can get it, right, dr. tehrani? i want to ask you about a new study with kids and screen time and something parents are worried about and trying to manage because a part of modern life. this new study shows screen time like social media and

video games, dr. tehrani, associated with manic symptoms in preteens. tell us about this. >> absolutely yes. we all have to worry about screen time, but especially in the younger kids. manic or mania is part of the diagnosis of bipolar disorder so it means very highly elevated mood, pressure, speech, and that is what mania is. in the study, researchers looked at about 9,200 kids ages 10-11 and followed them three years. they found out that the kids in the first year explicit high levels of screen time develop at much higher rate than three year mark, especially the kids who spent a lot of time social media and video games because these enhanced reward centers in our brain and increases dopamine which is implicated in pathways. at the away from this is our

kids are eight hours on average of screen time every day. and throughout a time mental health disease and 30% of our youth have mental health diagnosis. as parents and caregivers, i think what i take away from this space, we have to understand how much time our kids are truly spending everyday on these games and chats even in really help them find strategies to reduce time with mental health. >> sandra: so much good information, dr. tehrani thank you and good to have the one. >> john: always good to see that dr., the doctors end. gavin newsom taking a major step potentially freeing the menendez brothers. the hurdles must now overcome. that is coming up next it isn't. not with rosland capital.

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♪ ♪ >> john: california governor gavin newsom taking a close look at the menendez brothers case ordering risk assessment for the brothers serving life in prison after being convicted of killing parents in 1989. our chief correspondent jonathan hunt lived in los angeles with more. is the governor hinting he might let them out? >> it is a dramatic intervention

and governor newsom says there is no predetermined outcome, a grant of clemency in a sentence for erik and lyle menendez after the radio would override all the other legal avenues they are currently pursuing. the very fact the governor is asking the parole board to conduct a review before scheduled resentencing hearing is certainly going to give the brothers hoped they could soon be out of prison. >> do erik and lyle menendez, the two they pose a current unreasonable risk to public safety? >> the governor is asking the board to analyze what led the brothers to kill their parents and if they had done what governor newsom's office calls transformational work needed to avoid repeating their mistakes? governor newsom expects the parole board to answer those questions before the march 20th resentencing hearing. that could put pressure on new

los angeles county district attorney nathan hoffman, who just last week essentially dismissed as not credible another of the legal tracks the menendez brothers are following their request for a new trial based on what they claim is new evidence. now hoffman says he is studying the resentencing request, but most legal experts adjust his comments on the retrial means he would also oppose resentencing. but all of that, john, now with the governor inserting himself into the decision-making and a move welcomed critically by the menendez family members to support the brothers release. they clear late today feel more hopeful and they have had a very long time, john. >> john: we will see which way this goes, jonathan hunt, sandra. >> sandra: a glitch and iphones feature is raising eyebrows. how apple is responding.

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>> sandra: it seems apple users are reporting a bug in the iphone's voice to text feature, which many of us use. it appears to briefly replace the word "racist" with "trump". watch this. >> racist. >> racist. racist. >> sandra: how could that happen? apple says it's aware of the glitch and is rolling out a fixed today. this is days after president trump suggested his tariffs are behind the tech giants planned to invest $500 billion in the u.s. unsure the words sound alike. >> i did it on my phone and it did exactly the same thing. they have not fixed that yet. i will tell you, it's no glitch. >> sandra: wow. all right. >> never ms. "america reports". i'm john roberts. >> sandra: i'm sandra smith. "the story with martha maccallum" starts now. >> martha: that's