direction. >> and once secretary duffy finishes his tour he will come here and do a press conference where we expect a pretty big announcement about hiring related to air traffic controllers specifically. he says he wants to surge hiring of them and this is the first step toward doing that here today. we expect to hear from him in about an hour's time. >> bill: he hit the ground running. busy guy. thank you, grady. nice to see you in oklahoma city. >> dana: 25 seconds. here we go. a dog in california is feeling better. a vet performed surgery on her stomach and pulled out two dozen stocks and a scrunchy, hair ties and one si. she is recovering at home with her family. they have to keep the clothing and socks out of reach. >> bill: she has terrible taste. >> dana: that's an expensive surgery indeed, luna. harris faulkner is up next. here she is. >> harris: breaking news

overnight. chief justice roberts handed president trump a victory. justice roberts put a last-minute hold on a lower court decision and it would have required the trump administration to release $2 billion in frozen foreign aid. that's on hold. president trump had targeted that money in his mission to cut waste. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." the president signed an executive order expanding the cost cutting powers of the department of government efficiency as well. and he put all federal agencies on notice to prepare to make cuts of their own. in fact, the march 13th deadline is for them to come up with a workable plan to trim their workforce. president trump, along with senior advisor elon musk, put a sharp focus on their mission at yesterday's cabinet meeting. >> president trump: for the most

part i think everyone is happy, they're thrilled. >> it is not an optional thing. it is an essential thing. that's the reason i'm here. and taking a lot of flak and getting a lot of death threats. stack them up. but if we don't do this, america will go bankrupt. that's why it has to be done. >> harris: democrats' reaction per usual. outrage and insults. >> they aren't just trying to make government more efficient. they are trying to make it non-existent. >> the elon musk at the helm decision to fire a whole lot of people is hurting the economy and hurting the services americans depend on. >> doge is about misdirection. the chaos and corruption from elon musk and his team. >> donald trump has turned the white house into the elon musk show. it is a toxic show. it is a malignant clown show. >> harris: director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard talked about the mood inside that cabinet meeting room.

>> it is energizing to see the progress that's already been made in what is it just over a month of the trump administration this go round. whether it's the impact that elon and his doge team are making and a lot of the support that they are providing to us around the table, and the actions that are being taken immediately to implement the president's policies i think around the board again people are absolutely energized. >> harris: secretary of interior doug burgum was also in that room. he is in "focus" to give us his own insights on the meeting. first let's go to senior white house correspondent jackui heinrich. >> the government cuts are accelerating and so are the lawsuits. last night chief justice john roberts temporarily sided with the trump administration and determined that usaid could hold off on paying about $2 billion for aid work that has already been completed. the full court is expected to

weigh in soon. the administration is cutting usaid staff, reviewing and eliminating contracts and folding the aid organizations into the state department. yesterday's cabinet meeting president trump called the federal government bloated, fat and disgusted. the administration is directing agencies to develop plans for large-scale layoffs in the meantime. consolidating operations including possibly moving offices out of the d.c. area as doge and elon musk intensify their efforts to bring cuts to waste within the federal government. >> the overall goal here with the doge team is to help address the enormous deficit. we simply cannot sustain as a country $2 trillion deficits. just the interest on the national debt now exceeds the defense department spending. we spend a lot on the defense department. we're spending over a trillion dollars on interest. if this continues, the country

will become defact owe bankrupt. >> the president signed an executive order requiring the government to justify and publicly release any payments that continue and also travel expenses when possible. this afternoon the british prime minister starmer will meet with the president to talk about the future of peace in ukraine, including the role of the u.k. in a peacekeeping operation after the war. they also are set to talk about fair trade. basically the same bullet point conversation that french president macron had with the president on monday, harris. >> harris: jackui, thank you so much. doug burgum, interior secretary, was in the cabinet meeting yesterday. he is in "focus" now and i'm so glad to see you today. we can talk energy, talk a whole lot. first of all, tell me about the meeting and maybe a top line thought on what was accomplished. >> harris, great to be with you. what the nation is seeing is leadership in action from president trump. it's great leadership.

he is providing very clear direction to all cabinet leaders through the executive orders. those include details of what the secretaries are supposed to do. then he is empowering all of us to go get it done. he is putting it out there with a sense of urgency of make things happen. go fix things for the american people. and then he does a thing that wasn't happening in the last administration. holds everybody accountable. these are the components of great leadership he is exhibiting and why we're seeing this presidency off to such an incredible historic start. >> harris: just a theme that we've seen applied to disaster areas post hurricane helene that happened in the biden administration, trump is coming in trying to shore that area up. he has an all hands on deck philosophy about these things. did you further that at all? was that made clear in the list of things that the secretaries are expected to do? it seems like more teamwork. >> absolutely it is more teamwork. included even in the executive

order where president trump created the national energy dominance council. ten people in the cabinet meeting yesterday are assigned to be on that council and the job is we have to have a 180 degree turn the attack the biden administration had an u.s. energy and holding us all accountable to have affordable, reliable energy. sell it to our friends and allies, get the price of energy lower in america. that lowers the price of every aspect of the economy. yeah, everybody around that table has got a job to do and he is holding everybody accountable and i think it's fantastic. >> harris: what you just described is probably his number one promise on the campaign trail and that was to attack the high inflation and the economy that was putting so much pressure on americans. what you are talking about, if ten different secretaries are going to work on energy, that was the number one thing that

president trump said as a candidate bring the cost of things down. that's huge. almost the entire cabinet. let's get to this. a new opinion piece with the title doge doesn't put democracy at risk, doge is democracy. that's an excerpt now. any risk to democracy is not a president trying to right size government, it is the unaccountable and unelected bureaucracy of lifetime civil service who make laws, regulate and answer to no one. your reaction. >> this is all the doge efforts all music to my ears. of course as a governor after eight years when we took office, we were able to cut 27% of the costs out of the general fund in the first four months we are there and the train still ran on time. states like north dakota need a balanced budget. the idea that we have some people in the country demanding that we keep doing deficit

spending the at the federal level, no, the government has to act like every american family does. we have to keep driving towards a balanced budget. when we do that interest rates will come down and save every family money and help for generations to come. president trump is a business leader, understands that. so the work that we have to do is actually essential to do that. when we make those cuts, we also have to come back in the back side like elon said when he opens his jacket and says he is tech support. we have to give better tools to these government employees because they've got to be able to have the same access to technology that an employee in the private sector does and often they don't. we can create fewer but more purposeful jobs for government team members to go do the important work they have to do. but right now with the amount of paperwork and red tape those employees go through, we have to cut the red tape for them as well. >> harris: along with doing that you mention that kind of like i do energy, hey, i do technology.

along with that you are giving so much more transparency and we have had really in my lifetime from the government. we have access to all of you, we're hearing what you are talking about with us in mind as voters, as american citizens. >> yes, just take interior. the biden administration, many agencies with the interior department of energy, more than doubled the budgets in his four years. doubled. when people say wow, you will do a 50% cut related to say grants and contracts, well, if those doubled in the last four years you could cut 50% and all we do is going back to the level of spending when president trump left. you could argue that government was more effective on his last day in office than it was the four years where the biden administration grew government. so interior alone, 36,000 contracts and grants, harris, we're pouring through one-by-one to try to find out if these are anything that needs to be done for the american people. >> harris: wow, that's a lot of

work and a lot of keeping the american people in the front view mirror. i appreciate your time today. giving us that little tid bit on how many agencies like your own are looking at the option of energy is a way to cut inflation. good to see you. thank you, secretary. >> thank you, harris. >> harris: it is a song we're hearing on repeat. lost and without a leader. more and more members of the democratic party are admitting that's where they are. maybe it's the first step to a sorely needed solution all around. i don't know. some of those voters are jumping ship and going to the right or at least to the center. we'll see what happens. a path to citizenship with a hefty price tag. the president says it will make a lot of money for the country and attract the best of the best. >> the jobs they will bring with them. the businesses they will bring with them and pay american taxes as well. this is huge money for america.

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>> harris: president trump's illegal immigration crackdown gaining traction. immigration customs and enforcement agents arrested 20 people at a work site in gulf port, mississippi, the homeland security department plans to expand this type of enforcement operation. they go in and find many people they are looking for illegal aliens, yes but looking for the worst and get them out of the country first. the trump administration says it took them just one month to arrest nearly as many illegal immigrants as the biden administration did in all of last year. the president announced a new path to citizenship for wealthy individuals. >> president trump: these companies can go and buy a gold card and they can use it as a

matter of recruitment. at the same time, the company is using that money to pay down debt. we'll pay down a lot of debt with that. i think it will be very treasured and do very well and we'll start selling hopefully in about two weeks. >> harris: that wouldn't be individual people. those are individual businesses. i want to make that clear. it is a very business-like approach from a businessman. it is not a new one. mark meredith has the story. mark. >> good morning to you. the president says the u.s. could pay down its debt and generate new investment by increasing the price these people and companies would pay to become u.s. residents and potentially even citizens. as he said he wants to create a gold card to replace the green card program. >> president trump: we'll put a price on the card of $5 million. a round to citizenship and wealthy people will be coming into our country by buying this card. >> commerce secretary howard

lutnick is urging the government to move forward. 250,000 may want to get in. >> i think these people will common nor mouse ways. they know they can come into america and be in the greatest country on earth. >> on capitol hill already some opposition building to this idea as lawmakers already reauthorized the eb5 program until 2027. "wall street journal" writes it isn't clear how the administration can legally end or significantly alter an existing program without the involvement of congress. white house is not giving more details. congressman khanna is critical of the idea telling "newsweek" plenty of people build successful businesses in the u.s. without having to pay $5 million just to get in. the u.s. is not the only country to exchange residency or citizenship for investment cash. some countries including allies in europe are starting to move away from this idea.

harris. >> harris: mark, great story, thank you very much. power panel in "focus" now. let's get into this. matt gorman former campaign advisor to tim scott and communications direct for for the republican congressional committee. fred hicks is here. i imagine i won't have to say much. you guys will jump in. fred, what do you think of this program? >> so here is the thing we want to keep in mind. the immigration program does need some reforming. no doubt about that. but the problem that i have with this is the gold card is designed to replace a eb5 program structured to require investment in low and economically depressed communities in order to receive the benefit. this is a 180 degree turn from investing in lower and economically depressed communities towards rewarding wealthy businesses and entities that can afford to bring in or pay a $5 million fee to get in.

this is in alignment with everything we've seen from this administration so far tilting towards the haves and denying the have nots. >> harris: matt, rebuttal. >> we want immigration done legally and a way to do that. the card doesn't just get people here and help paying down the debt. that's right. but look at long term. broaden the tax base. increase people in the workforce and help economic areas. rowe khanna understands a lot of this stuff. you need economic growth. democrats want to let people in for free. let them across the border and pay city services to take care of them once here. that's unsustainable. we need to come up with a better way, attract the best and brightest from across the world and more importantly get them to stay here, innovate and make things. build businesses. that's what we need to do. >> harris: we'll move on. divided, disjointed and looking for a leader.

democrats are struggling. we should have me say that for some time until they figure things out. one congressman has a sobering take. >> just the way we come across that really turns people off. we lost an election across the board. by definition we have fallen out of touch with the majority of americans. we need to show we're willing to change, willing to listen. >> harris: i never hear anybody say i'm the one, i'm the new leader and take it on. not the man in the far right corner jeffries would say it when he with as asked about it. big questions loom about who is or could emerge as a national leader who speaks for the democratic party. immediately following an interview with house minority leader hakeem jeffries stephen smith with this. >> what are you going to do? how are you going to convince us to believe you? you first got to find somebody that's worth believing. i'm not denigrating leader jeffries in any way. but when you think about a national voice for the party,

who is that person? is the non-existent right now. you better find somebody. you better find somebody soon. >> harris: ouch. stephen a. does not mince words. jeffries isn't on the list. t"the washington examiner" ranking. aoc at the top. including other democratic lawmakers, businessman mark cuban. stephen a. smith and anti-gun activist david hogg. let's go reverse order. >> first of all, seth moulton great you think we need to change. how? i sat next to him on a panel on another network talking about the biological men playing women's sport hurt his party. i asked him on air. do you change positions or tone? he said i don't know. you need an answer for that. you can't say those things you have to figure how to change.

hakeem jeffries has negative charisma. he was saying it was a bad weekend in terms of the nix. have charisma. that's the first step. aoc, a lot of difference with her. at least she is interesting to listen to and speaks like a normal person. >> harris: the knicks had a tough one. football then if we play. why are the democrats acting like an overly injured football team with bad coaching? that would be for you, fred. >> wow, okay. i like that. i will take a little personal point of privilege. they are playing like southern university. but that being said. >> harris: you'll have to call them and talk. wow. >> the reality of it. democrats we are still struggling at this point in time for a voice. there is a disconnect between the democratic voting base and elected officials. that's undeniable. what is also undeniable a big

opening now. donald trump's favorability ratings are lower than any president since 1953. people aren't happy with what's happening. that creates an opening. we need a voice and cogent man and it is not getting into social issues but the economic issues. if this is about paying down the debt do something like get rid of the trump tax cuts and actually focus on reducing the budget not just laying off people. >> harris: you were talking numbers. i want to pop up some here. a recent poll showed congressional democrats receiving the lowest approval rating ever, ever in that poll, 21%. republicans got their highest ever 40%. also a majority of major shift from democrats on the party's future and we've seen that play out. you are talking about polling and numbers. everybody can pick a poll. it is hard to move an entire group of people. you have mid-terms coming up. last word, matt. >> look, i think democrats will have a lot of work to do on this. newsom getting ready to start a

podcast like that will be an answer. he needs to rebuild his state from the wildfires. people are so obsessed with tactics. as a party they don't have a strategy to move forward. it is all tactics to them. the wrong thing. >> harris: gentlemen, great to have you. good debate. house speaker mike johnson got a big win for president trump's big beautiful bill. and now, of course, it goes to the senate. and possibly to the president's desk after that. plus the house oversight doge subcommittee held another feisty hearing yesterday. >> usaid has been transformed into an america last, foreign aid slush fund. >> we're uncovering the world's largest money laundering scheme in history. >> harris: congressional republicans getting the message loud and clear. three new bills in the works to cut waste spending in the government. congressman pat fallon was there

for the hearing yesterday. he is in "focus" next.

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intuit turbotax. >> harris: congressional republicans are working hard to deliver on federal cost cutting for americans. this week house doge caucus co-chair congressman eric bean announced three new bills they are busy. the put your money where your mouth is act. tasks lawmakers with slashing spending and congressional offices by $1 hundred thousand. i love the name. the drain the swamp act called on agencies to relocate 30% of their workforce outside of washington, d.c. that will save money because the real estate inside d.c. is really, really high. and the cuts act claws back covid relief money that wasn't used for covid. thousands of fired u.s. agency for international development employees are collecting their belongings today from inside

their offices. the ronald reagan building today and tomorrow will have just 15 minutes to do when they enter and grab their stuff. yesterday a house doge subcommittee looked at abuse in spending on foreign projects. it got heated. >> the democrat-run usaid should not get to use our federal government, our u.s. taxpayer dollars, as their party piggy bank to push their radical agenda in countries that we have no business giving money to. $70,000 for a d.e.i. musical in ireland or $50,000 for transgender opera in columbia. that's the dark truth about usaid. >> our friends on the left wound vote to support a pickle maker in the ukraine or to have a transgender op ras in other countries or to send people to paris fashion week and the like. >> reckless gutting of the federal workforce in this

hyperbolic, fear mongering is brought to you by the american left. >> harris: that last lawmaker is here now. pat fallon of texas sitting on the doge subcommittee. the doge caucus is set to meet with elon musk today. i understand, congressman, that includes you. so what would you like to talk about today? >> we want to look at -- a lot of room for cuts. i was speaking in austin, texas in the texas legislature for eight years with the inspector general and he was telling me that up to 20% of the $50 billion that texas alone spends on entitlement programs is fraudulent. these are astounding numbers. we've been talking about it for too long. it is time for action. president trump and elon musk are painting with bold colors, not soft pastels. >> harris: i was specifically asking what you might want to

see elon musk. i don't know, will it be an ask and answer situation? what do you want to ask him? >> yeah, usually is. we want to make sure that all of the things coming out of doge and from the executive branch are accurate. the left is licking their chops waiting for them to make any kind of mistake so they can erode their credibility. i don't want to see that happen. i want to make sure we're double and triple checking when we see the potential savings and fraud, waste and abuse. we need to be accurate and right. >> harris: i tell you just learning what you just said explains a lot. democrats instead of coming up with their own message and way forward for the american people would rather spend their days attacking all of you. which they can do at election time. the top democrat on the house doge subcommittee gets called out by the doge subcommittee chair marjorie taylor green not having it from the top democrat. one of the few chippy moments for her rhetoric. against the president.

let's watch. >> let me say this to you, mr. trump. 250 years ago, the people of this great nation rejected a reckless abusive king and we won't go back. with that i say to all of you, be strong, we'll fight back. >> threats against the president of the united states will not be tolerated by anyone. >> harris: democrats are angry. we get that. they are attacking you. what do you think can get accomplished? will they stand in the way? >> they'll stand in the way but they are in the minority now. her voice itself the message was shrill. i'm surprised the windows didn't shatter. calling one democrat calling for bringing actual weapons to debates. this is -- we need to call them out and hold them to account. it is inexcusable. dangerous rhetoric and we won't stand for it.

>> harris: i point out the times we've seen some of the democrat congress members maxine waters taking it to the streets if you see them get up in their faces and most recently a call for war from another leader. it is not good. the so-called big, beautiful bill is good pushing president trump's agenda closer to becoming a reality. senators are now digging into it after narrow and dramatic passage in the house. got it done, though, house speaker mike johnson. >> we have a lot of hard work ahead of us. we're going to deliver the american first agenda. all of it, not just parts of it. it is the first step in the process. >> harris: senators are suggesting tweaks to the resolution making president trump's tax cuts permanent. you heard trump say that this week he would like that. so they will go for it. and they will pull back some of the house's proposed deep spending cuts and removing the provision to raise the debt ceiling. mike johnson's big beautiful

win, the house budget resolution now heads to the senate where it will face head winds from republicans who insist tax cuts in the final legislation should be large enough to be made permanent. going with the senate two bill strategy could turn out to be the legislative equivalent of having candy before dinner. trump wants one, big, beautiful bill. it is named that. republicans should work with house colleagues to make it happen is all a quote. republican senator tim scott was with me yesterday. >> the road is going to be smooth we'll get the job done for the american people. president trump, team america we're all committed to getting it done. president trump will fix what president biden broke. >> harris: a lot of optimism from senator scott. do you share it? >> i'm staying cautiously optimistic. we need to insure that those tax

cuts that were passed in 2017 are made permanent. if we don't, it will be the largest tax increase in american history, 91% of americans will be paying more in taxes and that's something that president trump did not campaign on and republicans need to -- we really need to deliver for the american people. >> harris: i want to know the conversation around no tax on tips. thats the first thing they ask me when it comes to the economy. that's in this bill. >> it is. president trump campaigned on it. during the campaign i would ask servers waiters and waitresses what do they think? they were for it. many voted for president trump. we need to deliver. it was a very good idea and also we're going to look at the no taxes for at least a portion of social security as well to really help seniors. >> harris: important. congressman fallon, great to have you in "focus." thank you for being with me. >> bill: thanks, god bless. >> harris: the hammer has fallen

after journalists uncovered lewd sexual chats about 100 nsa workers. the obscene communications all under the guise of d.e.i. national intelligence director tulsi gabbard, what she is doing about that. gene hackman found dead alongside his wife and dog inside their sante fe, new mexico home. >> if you put your effort and concentration into playing for your potential and be the best you can be. i don't care what the scoreboard says. in my book we'll be winners at the end of the game. v? it's like all their apps and channels... are connected. oh, it's allll connected... shows, movies, sports, cooking shows. — oh my god cooking shows! — is she talkin' to us? tell me, how does directv put all your favorite stuff on one home screen? uncanny content suggestions based on your watch history? or mind control? were you recently electrocuted?

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- it's the way my mind works. i have a very mechanical brain. - why are we not rethinking this? - i am more... - i'm more... ...than who i am on paper. >> you've been talking about the queen again? on independence day. >> harris: iconic actor gene hackman and his wife and dog found dead in their new mexico home. no indication of foul . more fresh news on the story. they've been looking to see

exactly how the hackmans died. gene hackman had a storied career in hollywood appearing in big hit films. the french connection, hoosiers and mississippi burning. jonathan hunt is in los angeles. we've been seeing this cross the associated press wires about what they found inside that home. jonathan. >> yeah, we know the bodies were discovered on wednesday, in fact. the bodies of gene hackman and his 64-year-old wife betsy discovered after a neighbor requested a welfare check. no cause of death has been released but officials say there were no signs of any wounds and significantly perhaps the local gas company is now helping as authorities investigate the death of a hollywood legend. >> hands on your heads. get off the bar an get on the wall. >> popeye doyle. if he doesn't like you he will

take you apart. >> he won his first oscar for his portrayal of popeye doyle in the french connection. he had a 40 year career in film. he described himself being like an everyday mine worker who just happened to star in movies like bonnie and clyde and many others, bringing him a whole new generation of fans, the royal tannenbaums. >> he saved my life, you know. 30 years ago i was knifed in a bizarre in call cut yeah. carried me to the hospital on his back. >> who stabbed you? >> he did. >> the legendary director coppola paid tribute to him on instagram this morning calling him a great actor, inspiring and magnificent in his work and complexity. to hackman himself he was just

living his dream. >> that's all i ever wanted to do. so few people ever get what they really want in life. it's a make believe world and as i say, it's what i wanted to do as a child and i fulfilled a lot of my dreams. >> and harris, the associated press now looking at the sheriffs search warrant saying according to the sheriff, hackman was found dead on wednesday. hackman was in a mud room. his wife, betsy, was found dead in the bathroom next to a space heater. the a.p. also reporting there was an open prescription bottle and pills scattered as they put it on the countertop near betsy. we are getting developing information on this and keep you up to date. >> harris: i wanted to get more detail. appreciate it. the fight for fairness in

women's sports continues. despite major pushback from democrats, prepublican maine congresswoman libby is being sensored. she was trying to fight back telling the truth, sharing quote i am exploring options at this point because i do not believe that this censoring is constitutional. i will not apologize for speaking the truth and speaking up for girls in maine. there will be more to come as we explore those options, end quote. president trump promises consequences with maine does not comply with his executive order banning transgender athletes in women's sports. watch his exchange in maine's governor. >> president trump: is maine here, the governor of maine? >> i'm here. >> president trump: are you not going to comply with it? >> i'm comply with state and federal laws. >> president trump: we are the federal law.

you better do it. you better do it. you won't get any federal funding at all if you don't. >> see you in court. >> president trump: i look forward to that that should be a real easy one. >> harris: tuberville says governor mills is barking up the wrong tree. >> what the governor from maine just being a total [bleep] to be honest to the president of the united states when he has already said this is not going to happen and she said i'll take you to court. it shows you how egotistical these people are and again it's just common sense that you don't do this. >> harris: maine is not the only state failing to comply. california, me minnesota and massachusetts are facing similar investigation. ben ferguson is in "focus" now. your reaction now to this latest dust-up with maine's governor and what senator tuberville just said. >> it is shocking to see not

only is a state saying we won't comply with federal law but we will take away the rights of our people that have been elected by the people in maine to even say something that we disagree with. you look at this woman who said it is wrong for a man to win a state championship pole vaulting with women who was competing with men less than a year ago. they say we demand that you apologize for what you posted online or we are going to take away your right to represent the people that elected you. we will take away your voice. she is not allowed to speak in the chamber and this is now what they are doing to try to silence people. if i was a citizen of maine i would be terrified of this governor and of the democratic leadership who are saying we're going to take away your ability to speak if you don't say what we tell you to say. by the way, the people believe that men should not be competing with women.

so in maine they have gone totally rogue. there are women and mothers who want their daughters to be safe and saying no, you must bow down to what we believe in. >> harris: they didn't pay the attention and don't know the assignment. we had the all women town hall and where the president first said. i asked him how will you do that and keep men out of women's sports? he said i will just do it. now it has been done and maine thinks that not only can it defy him they want to take away a state representative's free speech. i'm right here for the fight that's wageed. your last thought. >> think about the young girl who didn't get to win the state championship. she has put in all this time and effort. somebody was going to be in third place that's no longer going to get that recognition. it could change the outcome of college, change scholarships and also you know you are losing to a guy who was competing less than a year ago with the men. i can't imagine being a student how heart breaking this is. former athlete to work and put in all that time.

so i hope the people of maine stand up to the governor and say no more of this. >> harris: it is clear the democrats, some of them, are erasing the lines, the gender lines. i just have one question. why? what's in it for them? all right, ben. until next time thank you. director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard is firing more than 100 employees of the u.s. intel community who she says participated in that ab seen and sexually explicit chatroom experience on a government messaging platform. imagine doing that. it is your job platform. okay. these on the clock chats included topics like transgender surgeries, kink and castration. on a work platform. gabbard says it is time they are held accountable. in her case fired. >> they were brazen in using an nsa platform intended for

professional use, to conduct this kind of really, really horrific behavior. they were brazen doing this because whether was the last time anyone was really held accountable? certainly not over the last four years. >> harris: bringing back ben for one more. your reaction. >> nsa has a job to keep us safe and look at national security issues and make there aren't threats that will happen like a 9/11. and terrorist attacks. that is their job. how the hell did they have enough time to do this and what other potential attacks or terrorists were able to recruit people in the country because they're too busy talking about these types of things? not only do i believe they should be fired, i think there should be real repercussions for them and saying if we were paying you for a national security job and you are talking about sexual exploits this way in a large group setting, using the government's time, should we at least get back pay?

criminal aspect of this? i think all of it should be on the table. their job is to keep us safe. they clearly were not doing this. look, this goes back to the epstein files. so many people want to see what's in there. how many people in the government were helping cover it up because they are a part of this type of conversation at the national security level? you wonder why americans don't trust our government right now. how many people cover up the crimes of other people because they are a part of it as well? >> harris: that's a fair question. every time anybody criticizes elon musk and doge and all of it, just queue the tape on this one. queue the tape. what were you doing last week? name five things. can you imagine what these people would write if they told the truth. this is what they were doing. >> we are talking about a massive group of people that were part of this. >> harris: at least 100. thank you. "outnumbered" next. this isn't a spa. (laughs)

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