>> where did it come from? >> it's a patriot token they are doing and it is an honor of donald trump. this one is for you. and i wanted you to have it. [applause] there is going to be an 18-foot one revealed later this year. so you have a mini of it. >> that fist is perfect for getting around my lower back. i cleaned up that joke, "while this is heavy. >> pure bronze. >> wow. >> look at that. >> if this were a colombo episode, this is what you would start with r. >> or if you are playing clue. >> do you want to take it down to the border and fight the cartels? >> all right, thank you to the gas. i'm greg gutfeld, i love you america! >> good evening, it is 11:00 p.m. on the east coast, 8:00 here in los angeles and

this is america's late news, fox news at night. >> are they breathing? >> i have no idea. i'm inside the house, is closed. but i see it going down, it's outside the window. >> breaking tonight, the initial autopsy findings on the bodies of legendary actor jean hackman and his wife showing no signs of external trauma and the affidavit says no obvious signs of a gas leak or foul play. so what happened? and if there is no foul play, why are investigators still calling it suspicious? our panel will join us in moments. plus, the release of the epstein files, at least some of them. the attorney general now blaming the fbi for undermining her request and withholding documents. and the fbi director now warning anyone from the bureau who undermines us will be swiftly brought to justice. in the meantime, usaid officially cleaning house today giving former employees 15 minutes to gather their

belongings and get out of dodge or doge. but elon making it clear it is not about firing, is promoting excellence as well. seems like common sense to us. and federal workers, the sensible ones that is seem to agree. >> how are you feeling? did you get one of those emails, talk to us? >> yes, i got the email and i honestly feel like this is a great opportunity to outline what you as an employee bring to the center of government. the people complaining about writing an email, it's going to take, what, 5 minutes out of your day, 10 minutes? the guy was complaining it would be an hour. it takes you in our to write five things that you completed? okay. maybe you do need another job. >> and nobody hates a slacker more than a hard worker, we will have more on this soon but first, christine is live in los angeles with more on the deaths of gene hackman and his

wife. >> good evening. several maintenance workers discovered their bodies on the property yesterday and called 911. >> are they moving at all? >> no. they are not moving. we need help really quick. >> the gene hackman wife was found on the bathroom floor near an open prescription bottle and scattered pills located on the bathroom countertop. the search affidavit claims she showed obvious signs of death, body decomposition, bloating in her face and mummification and both hands and feet. deputies found the body of 95-year-old gene hackman in an entryway near the kitchen area and one of their dogs was found dead in a bathroom closet near his wife. deputies say there was no signs of forced entry and it did not appear as though anything was taken from the property. authorities believe the circumstances surrounding the couple's death is suspicious in nature for a number of reasons, including the fact that two other dogs were found alive on the property, also the

maintenance workers who found their bodies said the front door to the house was open and unsecured. >> there was no immediate sign a foul play r we haven't ruled that out yet, this is in investigations we are keeping everything on the table. >> authorities also say there was no signs of immediate blunt force trauma and no signs of carbon monoxide leak or poisoning. they are now waiting on the official results of the autopsy and toxicology reports. >> a lot waiting on that, back to you is the news warrants, thank you. let's bring a board-certified medical doctor and the west coast trials lawyer president. thank you both for coming on. to you first, playing some sound from the sheriff in new mexico on foul play, watch this. >> we're not ruling it out. what he did state is there was no obvious sign or indication of foul play. there is no immediate sign a foul play. we haven't ruled that out yet. this is an investigation so we are everything on the table.

i think the autopsy will tell us a lot. and any evidence that we collect but i haven't ruled any of that out yet. >> trace: we talked about the initial autopsy at the top of the show there, the full autopsy will be somewhat telling, fair? >> it will. it will take weeks. and it is suspicious. to people don't dine the same house at approximately the same time and their dog without something happening. so law-enforcement are looking at a few things. obviously with the pills, you are thinking suicide or a crime scene that was staged to look like suicide. so is it a double suicide or a murder suicide? did hackman die of natural causes and she took her own life and some sort of modern-day romeo and juliet? we will know very soon. >> trace: it's crazy. and the meantime, carbon monoxide poisoning the sheriff also talked about, watch here. >> it is not -- it is not awed -- it's not normal to find two people deceased in a residence, that is concerning. then there was also a dog that

was in a kennel that was also found deceased. we don't know the cause of that, obviously. but in our experience and working on cases like this, that is a possibility. >> trace: and dr., the first thing i saw -- i thought when i saw this was carbon monoxide poisoning but the gas company says there is no problem with the pipes at all. at least the initial findings. what you make of what happened? >> this is interesting because carbon monoxide does not come from gas pipes, it comes from burning fuel. so imagine you had gas that was burning somewhere in the house on the stove, in the oven, in the water heater, in the heater for the house, somewhere else and there was carbon monoxide being produced but not properly vented. that carbon monoxide could have been there in sufficient amounts a week ago, two weeks ago, whenever this happened to kill them and then whatever the fuel source was dyed and there is no carbon monoxide in the air. toxicology may be able to actually look at the blood cells that are there and see if there are signs of carbon monoxide poisoning in both of their

bodies. if telltale signs are there, they will no. there will be a lot of detective work medically as well as legally going on. >> that's right. in the meantime, we have the following written here. the space heater was near her head and a bottle of prescription pills was on the counter. the responding deputy believes the heater could have fallen in the event the female abruptly fell to the ground. the pills from the bottle were scattered on the countertop, a german shepherd was found about 10 feet from her and a closet in the bathroom, the dog was also dead. hackman was found dead in a mud room near the kitchen, the deputy believes he may have fallen suddenly. both fall and die? like you were talking about, it doesn't seem like that's rational and reasonable. >> it does not pass the smell test. well beastly know he's in his mid-90s, he had a cane near him, he could have fallen. but if you look at the mummification, they died at approximately the same time. so what happened here? and there is also one important inconsistency. you hear the 911 caller, he is

saying he can't get into the house but if you read the affidavit with the search warrant, they are saying the door is open so that is something that i need to explore if i'm invested getting this case. >> trace: and this is also important for you, dr., because fox news writing about the dog, the deceased dog was found near her body in a closet of the bathroom but to healthy dogs were also on the property, one was running loose while the other was seen near arakawa's body. it seems like maybe the dogs had access to go in and out of the house, may have gotten water? there is a lot of things going around there and the dog that was in the kennel in the closet, if you have carbon monoxide poisoning, then it kills the dog as well. it is just -- what are your thoughts? >> the dog in the kennel could have either died from whatever poisoning was in the air if that existed or just from a lack of food and water if you didn't have access to get out. that may be a red herring. i would focus first on the people review can easily tell from the telltale signs and autopsy toxicology looking at the blood, look at the organs under a microscope and that will give you everything.

i think we will known several weeks. >> my producer pointed out one thing really quickly, amount of time here, if the dog took several weeks to die because of no food and water, there would be signs of that in this crate, right? there be signs of the dog going to the bathroom inside the crate so a lot of things are looking hairy here. >> this is an interesting puzzle. >> it is. thank you both. a new video tonight of a former u.s. eight employee carving away belongings from their now closed headquarters as the trump administration continues dismantling the agency. the senior national correspondent live in d.c. with new information on this. kevin packet evening. >> good evening. the pictures tell a very important story. a story of a city in shock, if you will and an agency obviously crumbling in realtime. as you know, usaid has already placed over 4000 staffers on leave and that is in addition to a, quote, reduction in force that will affect another 1600 employees. many of whom today were given, as you pointed out, 15 minute

time slots clear out their desks under escort of federal officers. and a final visit their now closed headquarters. notices were scent out with mass mailings this week that revealed the agency is terminating more than 90% of its contracts for humanitarian and developmental aid around the globe. all while the u.s. supreme court temporarily blocks a judge's order requiring the trump administration to release billions of dollars in foreign aid. in the meantime, president trump of course who was hoping to shrink the size of government, he continued a very busy week today welcoming yet another world leader to the white house. this time u.k.'s prime minister. the two men talked trade, tariffs, security for ukraine and about an invitation by the king of england for a second state dinner for the president to head back over to the u.k. the two men also agreed that a peace deal between the u.k. --

ukraine and russia coupled with regional security for kiev was absolutely paramount which of course is the perfect table setter for tomorrow's big meeting between the president and volodymyr zelenskyy, the leader of ukraine. i will be here and have the details, back to you. >> big day. kevin coric life lesson d.c., thank you. let's bring in a fox news contributor and the host of the relatable podcast. thank you both for coming on. steve, you first. the new mexico congresswoman had this to say on the doge cuts. she wasn't happy, watch. >> for the thousands of federal workers out there, the aid workers, the advocates and the people around the world who are impacted by these reckless and heartless and harmful and disgusting cuts that are impacting people across the world, know that we see you, we stand with you, we are fighting for you.

>> trace: on the flip side, elon musk had the following r hundreds of federal workers are being promoted daily every time we encounter excellence, the doge team will be more clear about this. the goal is to make the federal government a meritocracy as much as possible. so if you are good you move up and if you are bad you moved out. that is the theme, that is what people voted for and that's what they keep saying. >> i think one person wind move out is that ridiculous congresswoman. if you ever seen anything like that? it's like a parody of a far left lunatic. the thing is that just to her point, this is our money that is being spent, the taxpayer money. these democrats seem to forget that. if it is not being spent wisely than it should not be being spent. secondly, this outrage about people losing their jobs, were these democrats when people, including in the federal government, including in our military were losing their jobs for refusing to take the vaccine which had no justification and terms of those vaccine mandates? exactly. and then finally to elon's

point, that's right. why would anyone think differently? this is a guy who has built incredibly successful, world-class businesses and he wants them to succeed and do well. just as he wants the government to succeed and do well. that means getting good people to the top and moving bad people out. >> and by the way, they were wrong about the vaccine so they fired those people for the wrong reason. in the meantime, here is trump on his back-to-back calls with putin and zelenskyy today, watch this. >> i had historic back-to-back calls with president putin. very successful calls, i might add. and president zelenskyy, we are working hard to get that war to an end. >> coming to the u.s., this is all very encouraging, right? the steps look very positive, what you think? >> we need to be paying attention to what trump is doing right now. there was a lot that went on, some good, some bad, some

unforced errors, some media manufactured. but what is trump actually doing he is, from what i can see, make good on his promises. everyone wants peace, weather between russia and ukraine, whether it's in the middle east. i truly believe that ideologically, personally, not just politically, trump cares about that. and i do believe that he will see this through. so i'm optimistic. >> here's the british prime minister, steve hilton on special report talking about the u.k. and free speech. >> we don't believe in censoring speech. but of course we do need to deal with terrorism, we need to deal with and things like that. but talk to the vice president about it today and we had a good exchange about it. and of course, he is right to champion free-speech, we champion free speech in the united kingdom. >> do they champion free speech in the united kingdom? >> no, he's lying. he is lying. they arrest people for speaking

their minds, that's what's going on now in the u.k. and it is not surprising that he is lying because he is a very slippery -- he is the most far left prime minister of the u.k. since the 1970s. the other thing that was absolutely outrageous about that interview, brett asked him what really stuck -- what is he thinking about in terms of the israel situation and the events of the last week, he was talking about the palestinians going through the rubble of gaza. not one mention of the appalling savagery that all of us around the world with any kind of decency would think of at this moment. and he has got sympathy for the palestinians at this moment? absolutely disgraceful. >> kristi noem, the dhs secretary posted this. he has been convicted of obscene internet contact with the child using a computer to seduce and entice a child and sentenced to just 10 years in probation but now face and consequences she was going over a list of illegal immigrants with criminal records and then you put this up, you

look at the arrest. biden versus trump in the ice arrest, by net 33,000 in all 2024, trump at 20,000 in 2025 just in february. that puts him at 240,000 for the year. your final thoughts on this? it really seems like the illegal immigration crackdown in this country is effective. >> i say praise god, this was one of the top reasons why i voted for president trump. all of these numbers translate into save lives and fewer rielly's and so i say hallelujah for that. >> thank you both. a group of about 100 anti-israel protesters storming a college campus building in new york city reportedly injuring on employee before staging a sit in to protest to students being expelled for interrupting a class on israel. we are live in new york city with new images and information on this. good evening. >> good evening. so protest continuing today at

the college in new york, in all-girls college affiliated with columbia university. pro-palestinian demonstrators they are demanding the reinstatement of two students reportedly expelled in january after disrupting an israeli history course and passing out flyers calling for zionism to be burned to the ground. airlie 100 people participated in wednesday's sit and, organized by the group columbia university apartheid divest. that resulted in a staff member being injured and prevented some students from even getting to class. watch. >> in the class, i can't come in, they are going to cancel normal people who want to go to class. we have to get them out. >> new york city mayor condemned the protest any statement to a jewish news organization, writing, quote, i condemn in the strongest possible terms, any protest that calls for a revolution which is a call for

violence against the jewish state of israel. the protest also comes as the trump administration looks for ways to crack down on anti-semitism, including a recent executive order saying trump will cancel the student visas of all hamas sympathizers on college campuses which have, quote, been invested with radicalism like never before. trace? >> thank you. hamas handed over four dead hostages to the red cross this week as phase one of the cease-fire deal is set to expire this weekend. and many families of hostages still being held are worried about what happens to their loved ones if the cease-fire does not hold. like the family that just recent he found out he was still alive but in dire condition. this week i spoke with his mother about their families agonizing ordeal. let's bring in his mother. it is great to have you on the

show, i'm so sorry for what you were going through. you've just recently found out that your son was alive. tell us what that is like. it's got to be joyous, it has to be wonderful but it also has to be just infuriating. >> yes, it is exactly that. for one minute you think while, my son is alive. and the next moment it is like he is gone and it's unbearable. and that's why we have to do everything in our power to make sure that he gets out. trump is a wonderful leader and i see what he has been doing for us and i'm so thankful. i came all the way to d.c. from israel because i know that he has the power. that he can bring my son home. >> trace: and i'm just wondering, very quickly if you can, what is happening right now to secure his release? i know you are in d.c. foot are the wheels turning?

have you heard anything in recent days? >> nothing crucial, nothing concrete. i'm just meeting different diplomats, trying to convey his voice. he is in the tunnels, he cannot speak so i'm speaking for him, that is what i have been doing for 508 days. it is telling people what he is going through and making sure that he is heard. he is in the tunnels now and he wants to come home and he is crying. his friends that he was with in that tunnel are back and he is alone now because they all came back. and they are speaking about him and telling him that he is a fighter. he has been fighting for 508 days to survive. but it is crucial. one more day, we don't know. so we need to bring him. >> you need to bring him. we are praying for you and hoping for you and president trump seems to be the man who is behind a lot of these

hostage releases and i think he is working in your favor. we wish you the best of luck. we will keep our eyes on this, thank you for coming on the show and best of luck to you. next in our media spotlight. cnn jake tapper ripped for trying to rewrite history in his new book on former president biden's mental decline. and it's alleged cover-up. and later in the nightcap, police saying there are no apparent signs of foul play in the deaths of actor gene hackman and his wife but it was suspicious enough to require an investigation. in the meantime, the affidavit reading that there were no obvious signs of a gas leak. so what do you think happened? why are they calling it suspicious if there was no foul play? let us know. we will read your responses in the nightcap. (man) got one more antoine. (vo) with usps ground advantage, it's like you're with us every step of the way.

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>> trace: the trump administration now expanding its efforts to inform the american public by going outside of legacy media and hosting more than one dozen conservative influencers. back live to kristyna with what the goal is here. kristyna? >> hello. the administration is gaining traditional media tapping into folks on social media with a huge digital footprint. today the white house hosted more than two dozen conservative influencers, all combine, this group has nearly 20 million followers. the white house press secretary posting, these folks have larger followings than most mainstream media reporters. the media landscape has changed and we are fully embracing it here at the trump white house. conservative influencers got to take part in policy briefings

with high-ranking officials within the trump administration. scott pressler who has 2.2 million twitter followers posted today, i got the opportunity to visit the white house and meet both president trump and vice president j.d. vance, vinci to every single person that delivered the popular vote. let's keep voting and winning. the epstein files were handed out during the briefings today and one of the influencers has 2.1 million followers posted this is just the start. agent bondi confirmed their thousands more epstein filed documents being secretly held and they will be delivered to the doj by figure 828th. other top officials at the meeting today including the secretary of state marco rubio and the border czar and the fbi director. a lot of very important people. >> trace: a big turnout, thank you. the fox news at night common sense department cannot wait to visit a barnes & noble in may when jake tapper's new

book comes out. although it may be hard to find considering we don't yet know if it will be listed under true crime or hypocritical fiction. the book cowritten by the cnn anchor is about the media cover-up of joe biden's cognitive decline. in other words, it is an autobiography. where tapper documents a historic political mistake but fails to mention he was complicit in that mistake. but instead of accepting blame cat it appears the plan is to roll his liberal media colleagues under the literary boss. common sense wonders if tapper realizes that the media has this thing called videotape and that he was videotaped on many occasions criticizing those who suggested that joe biden was in decline. tapper even mocked lara trump for saying biden was having cognitive issues. and in late 2023, jake tapper said joe biden was mentally sharp. in the book, tapper says it was, quote, shockingly narcissistic, self delusional and reckless.

he is talking about biden's decision to run in 2024. what it could easily describe tapper's decision to write in 2025. common sense is hearing that critics are saying by the end of the book, it will be very apparent that his mind was not right. and that joe biden was also not doing well. let's bring in a former trump campaign deputy communications director caroline sunshine and political strategist joey. thank you both for coming on. caroline, you first, i want to play some sound, years jake tapper announcing his new book. he said the following. >> i've been covering the concerns of a president biden's age and health for years, i literally ask him about it in october of 2022 and we challenged democrats and white house officials about it. >> yes, he put his feet to the fire. molly hemingway said the following on next, quoting, the leap leap audacity for you to do this after running 24/7 interference on behalf of him and mocking and attacking every

single person who noticed biden's decline. the mother believing audacity, have you no decency, have you no shame? what do you think about this? >> couldn't have said it better myself. jake tapper is an opportunist in addition to being boring, he only tells the truth when it is profitable. so chapter 1 of that book better be a written apology to lara trump whose show on this network has higher ratings than his will ever have, as an aside. all the way back in 2020 you pointed out, she went on his show and did his job for him and had the courage to say the truth, that joe biden's cognitive decline was obvious and tapper accuses her in that segment, of saying joe biden has a stutter and saying, i believe the direct quote was, she has no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline. and then here we are four years too late, jake tapper is now somehow qualified to diagnose cognitive decline that he could've caught four years ago. >> trace: about the stutter, he said what would you tell a kid that has the stutter and he's saying this is not the same thing.

you are right on that. in the meantime, we thought the left loved the immigrants but apparently they only love illegal immigrants because joyce at the following, watch this. >> the guy was not born in this country, who was born under apartheid in south africa so has that mentality going on. he was pro-apartheid. this is perfectly wonderful for trump, he can take a nap and let this foreigner -- for an agent, an enemy of the united states do his job. >> trace: she later came back and corrected it saying she didn't really know if elon musk was proapartheid even though she left it at that, what do you think? >> well joy does not know many things at all, frinkly. joy and all of these people who continually love to hate elon musk simply because he has defended free speech and supported president trump, they don't actually have any facts to back up what they say. they hate the man, they used to love him until like two years ago when he was their savior, the hero of the left, they love the electric cars.

now suddenly elon musk's public enemy number 1 and they don't even have a reason why so now he is proapartheid, before he was a hitler supporter, they just need to come up with a reason hate this man and really it is getting more stupid every single time. >> trace: in the meantime, charlamagne tha god brought in a federal worker and the federal worker kind of surprised him. he was asking about elon musk's questionnaire of what you did last week, watch. >> i got the email and i honestly feel like this is a great opportunity to outline what you as unemployee bring to the company. bring to the federal government. like god forbid they ask you what you've done. any other job, they will ask you at the end of the week, at the end of the month. this is what you signed up for. and if you don't like it, resign. they're going to give you the opportunity to find another job. it is not that hard. you're complaining about actually working, i don't get it. >> she didn't get it, she said

great opportunity, what do you think? >> give that lady a promotion. better yet, let her come on. i think something else that got lost in the coverage of the now famous email is elon said it best himself, he said part of sending out that email was a pulse check. it was to check if people are actually alive or if the email was going to their inboxes because the waste, fraud and abuse is so systemic and deep that you were finding on social security people are 300 years old collecting social security. part of it was just a pulse check to see if you are a box or a real person still collecting a paycheck from the federal government. if so, it should be so easy to respond to the email. it wasn't even just about job performance, the bar was even lower. it was are you real? >> trace: in the meantime, this was tweeted. trump took 1009 media questions in his first month in office, biden, 141. by trump's third day he had already taken more questions than biden took in his entire first month. the media now complaining

because they are changing the pool structure. did they have a genuine beef or is this just flipping things up from the way it has always been? >> president trump has taken more questions than just about anybody, he is the most transparent president, he talks directly to the media so he can talk to ricky to the people. so i don't understand what the media would have to complain about. they didn't have any access at all with joe biden. number 1, when you talk to joe biden you were not even talking to the guy making the decisions, you're talking to the puppet. but with president trump, you go right to the source, right to the man making the decisions and you just get it like it is, unfiltered, raw and honest. so they should not combine about anything, they should be happy to finally have somebody to actually talk to in the white house. >> trace: haven't seen a lot of happy people as of late. thank you both. coming up, the epstein files, the fumble. what happened to the documents we were promised? we will break it all down for you up next. and outraged tonight after a judge in houston set bond for a man charged with capital murder

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-kay...? -it's not okay. >> the highly anticipated release of the epstein files today did not drop the bombshells that were expected. we are back live with new information on this. >> after days of the attorney general teasing the release of the epstein files sitting on her desk, the much anticipated revealed today was even hyped up by a handful of social media influencers at the white house showing off binders labeled the epstein files, phase one. the content did not deliver. the couple hundred pages included much of what we have been seeing before like flight logs, a contact book and a redacted masseuse list believed to refer to epstein's victims in the case. even lawmakers like anna paulina luna posting, this is not what

we or the american people asked for and a complete disappointment. even still, making the move as an act of transparency but bondi also accusing the fbi field office here in new york of withholding files after learning within the last 24 hours from a source that there are thousands of more pages demanding in a letter to the fbi director, quote, by 8:00 a.m. tomorrow, the fbi will deliver the full and complete epstein files to my office. i am also directing you to conduct an immediate investigation into why my order to the fbi was not followed. the fbi director responding today that no stone will be left unturned and all will be found and turned over. trace? >> trace: and before i let you go, another legal story making headlines out of texas, a judge under fire for laying a man accused of killing a cop out on bond. what is going on here? >> it is shocking. this man is one of two men

accused of killing a deputy of harris county earlier this year as the officer sat in his police car. and despite being charged with the murder, the judge allowed for a bail over the prosecutor's objections. and it just 500,000 for that capital murder and 500,000 for tampering with evidence. but as of wednesday, that defendant is out, he is free and the houston area and the houston police officers union slamming the decision saying that this activist judge has a history of prioritizing criminals over the victims, calling this decision disgraceful. >> trace: standby if you will, with bring in a criminal defense attorney. she was talking about patel saying no stone unturned, the full quote posted is this, there will be no coverups, no missing documents and no stone left unturned and anyone from the prior or current bureau who

undermines this will be swiftly pursued. if there are gaps we will find them and if records have been hidden, we will uncover them. apparently there is this desire to just drop the epstein files and let everybody go through them. it just does not seem like that's going to happen, there has to be some sort of review process, am i wrong? >> great to see you, there has to be review process. so my question for the prior fbi directories is why is it taking years to go through these documents? this is the same fbi that took them to .5 years to investigate hunter biden's tax returns which should have taken a week. so we need these documents to be sent over and by the way, this is why the majority of people in this country voted for trump. to get someone like pam bondi in there. she is a boss lady sending that note and saying look, get these documents over here and let's let the public see it. she is encouraging transparency and she's bringing integrity to criminal investigations. >> i want to bring you back into this conversation as well because julie brown who is a

reporter for the "miami herald", she broke jeffrey epstein, she is an amazing reporting on this. she posted this, the fbi has hundreds of other documents in its vault. they are redacted. the "miami herald" and other media has repeatedly asked the fbi to justify these massive reductions and lift them so the public can judge for themselves how the case was handled. i mean, will these things continue to be redacted? will they left them or is it just a process like brian was saying? >> it's a process like brian was saying, of course. and we know that his confidante is appealing her federal criminal conviction that she is doing so some of these documents may be tied up in that. it may have to be overseen and approved some of the documents that are released. but eventually, there will be nothing i believe, stopping the fbi from releasing all of these documents. the truth will come out eventually one day. >> trace: pam bondi is saying i want these things on my desk tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. but the truth is we are looking at maybe a couple of weeks before the next release.

when you get these documents, brian, if they dump them on your desk, what are you looking for? >> you were looking for coconspirators and you were looking for people who might have gone to visit epstein and knowing that they are engaged in acts with minors. i've represented over 150 sexual abuse victims as miners, this is a critical investigation. i think what the documents will reveal is they will be a template for pam bondi to ferret through the documents and decide whether certain individuals to be investigated. and by the way, there is no privacy rights for adults, that only applies to minors who were abused and if they are adults now, they get privacy rights. but all these other people that were allegedly involved with epstein, there are no privacy rights. they're better not be reductions of any of these adults. >> good point. we got 15 seconds for you, are you looking for anything specific in these documents when they finally dropped? >> we all want the list, right? the client list, that is what we have been looking for and

waiting for this entire time. and the delay is just compounding the conspiracy theories. why? why the delay? >> trace: that is a good point. thank you, brian, think he was always, we appreciate it. police are saying there are no apparent signs of foul play in the deaths of legendary actor gene hackman and his wife although it was suspicious enough to require an investigation. and after the act -- affidavit reveal there were no obvious signs of a gas leak, what is going on here? why are they calling this suspicious if there was no foul play? let us know. it is up on next and instagram, we will be back with the nightcap crew which includes you , next. rely on tiktok to compete. within a week of posting, i had over $25,000 in sales. small businesses thrive on tiktok. tiktok brings in so much foot traffic. i need tiktok to keep growing. ok guys, instead of getting weathertech,

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♪ ♪ >> trace: back with the nightcap crew. tonight's topic, under suspicion. authorities saying there are no signs of foul play in the deaths of gene hackman and his wife though it was suspicious enough to require an investigation. so i don't know how, but what you think is going on here? let's start with chandler. >> it is a big mystery at this point. i think your discussion earlier in your show was quite enlightening.

that it could have been carbon monoxide poisoning or some gas leak which the evidence two weeks later wouldn't be there but we found there is no trauma to their bodies. i think we all just want answers at this point because of such a tragedy. >> trace: it really is. kevin? >> i hate to be that guy but i unfortunately think this is probably either a murder suicide where this is something along those lines. we will find out soon. this has dateline written all -- written all over it or fox nation. >> trace: and steve hilton, it is interesting because we were kind of hearing that because of the mummified bodies, that they apparently died around the same time so it wasn't like they both died a different times. >> i think my favorite part of this whole evening's discussion on this was when we were just saying -- you were just saying we hate to speculate so let's now speculate and get into it. but i think it is very concerning and the part of it that i keep coming back to is the dog. you just think, there is something very unexplained here. you say carbon monoxide is a

real possibility but i don't know, it just feels like there's something off. >> trace: again, we talk about the pipes, it is not always the pipes but carbon monoxide, the gas company seems to think maybe not. >> we will find out i think it's going to be something very boring like some sort of stove malfunction or of an malfunction or something very crazy and outlandish. i don't think it will be anything in between but we will find out. >> trace: kristyna? >> i thought it was interesting in the affidavit, one of the first reasons they listed for why it was suspicious, they said the front door, to make this guys who found them, the front door was open or unsecured so that is one of the main reasons. also the bodies found in different locations. one of the three dogs was still alive and of course the prescription bottle opened and pills scattered. >> trace: caroline, two dogs survived and they apparently had access to go in and out of the house, wendat was in a great and didn't survive. >> i will say this. the same people telling me there's nothing to see here, no foul play are the same people that said hunter biden's laptop wasn't real, "but didn't come from a lab, stay skeptical

america. >> trace: we ask you what you think and you said, vicki, i'm hoping the autopsy will reveal more, may be accidentally poisoned has to be something in common r patty, it's crazy as fiercely thought it was going to be carbon monoxide poisoning. might still be. and he, this is suspicious because two people in the dog don't just dropped it at the same time. shen ron says its too early to determine that there was no foul play. was found near the bedroom and she was found near the bathroom which leads me to believe either a gas leak or some sort of possible poisoning. rose, i don't understand why his children have not been checking on them. that's what i said. they have been deceased for so long, they are mummified. and paulus is definitely strange, why did the groundskeeper wait two weeks before notifying authorities and they were all found in different areas of the home. thank you for watching america's late news, fox news at night. we will see you back here tomorrow.

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