like. i think we have talked about this, that his relationship with the senate, with the hill, his relationship as well and that front i think does well to say "you have to remember who you are talking to this time around," meaning this administration. >> the last four years, the presidential press conference was rare. the free will and with -- present biden was rare. american diplomacy played out in a way that i don't think we have seen, certainly in modern history. now, the overarching question as we approach the 1:00 p.m. our, just a few seconds from now, is is the rare earth mineral going to be signed to? tonight on "special report," you can't miss it. sitting down with the ukrainian president after that intense exchange between him and president trump. >> sandra: all right, we will take it from there, of the

coverage continues any moment with a fiery exchange at the white house and the oval office between president trump and ukrainian president zelenskyy. the world leaders expected to eight the global stage and hold a news conference. the two nations expected to finalize historic minerals deal with all that we just witnessed, we await exactly what happens next. hello, welcome everyone, am sandra smith in new york along with my colleague. >> i am bill hemmer and john has the day off. this was extraordinary moment and welcome to "america reports." the two leaders are sitting down with zelenskyy and they oval office. we don't know yet what triggered this. they met for about 50 minutes on camera at the back and forth runs 10 minutes in length and we will play that for you in just a moment here. we will also look for the moment as to whether this was a question or some part of the conversation that eventually teed everybody up.

keep in mind as we watch this go to we expect you will press conference 1:00 eastern time and we are now in that our. as we await the press conference we will take it back and watch again together, vance, trump, zelenskyy in a real world moment we arguably have never seen before in international politics. >> do you and now i'm talking to my friends in poland. they are worried you align yourself too much with putin. what is your message for them? >> well, if i didn't align myself with both of them, you would never have a deal. you want me to say really terrible things about putin and then say, hi, how are we doing with the deal quest market doesn't look that way. i will align with the united states of america. for the good of the world. i will align with the world.

i want to get this thing over. you see the hatred he has for putin and it is tough to make a deal with that kind of hatred. he has tremendous hatred. i can tell you the other side is not exactly in love with him either here and tell so, it is not a question of alignment. lealigned with the world. i'm aligned with europe. i want to see if we can get this thing down. if you want me to be tough, i can be tougher than any human being you ever say, i could be so tough that you will never get a deal that way and that is the way it goes. >> one more question, i want to respond to this for four years the united states of america we had a president that to wrap press conferences and talk tough about vladimir putin and he invaded ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. the path to peace and path to prosperity as may be engaging in diplomacy. we tried the pathway of

joe biden, thumping at her chest and pretending the president of the united states words mattered more than the president of the united states actions. what makes america the good country is america engaging in diplomacy. that is what president trump is doing. >> can i ask you? >> sure. >> okay, he occupied our parts of ukraine and parts of east and crimea. so he came and 2015. during a lot of years, not to biden that those times obama, president obama and then president trump and then president biden and now president trump and god bless, now president trump it will stop here. but nobody stopped him in 2015. he just occupied and took and killed people. >> 2015. >> 2014. >> 2014.

he is not here. >> yes, but during 2014, until 2022, the administration of the scene and people have been dying. nobody stopped him. you know, we had conversations with him. a lot of conversations. and we signed him, me, like a new president and 2019 i signed with him the deal. i signed with him, emmanuel macron, we signed a cease-fire, ceasefire. 11 told me he will never go. we signed him, yes, it after that he broke the ceasefire. he killed our people, and he didn't exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. what kind of diplomacy, jv, are you speaking about? what do you mean? >> i'm talking about the kind of

diplomacy to end the destruction of your country. mr. president, with respect, i think it is disrespectful to come into the oval office in front of the american media. right now you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front line because you have manpower problems. you should thank the president to bring an end to this conflict. >> into ukraine but you say what problems they have? >> i have actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens as you bring people, you bring them on promulgated tour, mr. president. do you agree that you have problems bringing people into your military? and you think it is respectful to come to the oval office of the united states of america and attacked the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your? >> a lot of questions and let's start from the beginning. first of all during the war everybody has problems. even you know don't you don't feel now that you will feel it in the future. >> you don't know that.

you don't have that. don't tell us what we are going to feel. we are trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we will feel. i'm not telling you -- >> that is exactly what you are doing. >> you are in no position to dictate what we are going to feel. we are going to feel very good. we are going to feel very good and strong. >> you are influenced. >> right now you are not in a good position. you have allowed us to be in a bad position. >> at the beginning of the war. >> you don't have the cards right now. with us to start having cards. right now, you are playing and gambling with lives of millions of people. you are gambling with world war iii! you are gambling with world war iii! what you are doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country! back to you far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you said thank you once?

no, in this entire meeting her to have you said thank you to pennsylvania campaign for that position in october all of her words for appreciation of the united states of america and the president trying to save your country. >> please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war -- >> he's not speaking loudly. he is not speaking loudly. your country is in big trouble. no, no you've done a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. >> i know. >> you are not winning this! you have a good chance of coming out okay. >> in our country we are staying strong from the beginning of the war where we have been alone. >> he gave you the stupid president $350 billion. we gave you military equipment, and you have never -- if you didn't have our military equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war

would have been over in two weeks. >> in three days, i heard it from putin, in three days. in two weeks, of course, he has. >> it will be hard to do business like this, i will tell you. >> to say thank you. >> i said it several times. >> there are disagreements and let's litigate their agreements instead of try to fight it out in america media when you are wrong and we know you are wrong. >> sa speed. >> i think it is good for the american people to see what's going on. that is why i kept it going so long. you have to be thankful. you don't have the cards. you are buried there and your people are dying. you are running low on soldiers. you are running low on soldiers. it would be a damn good thing and then you tell us i don't want a cease-fire, i don't want a cease-fire. look, if you can get a cease-fire right now, i tell you, you would take it so the bullets would stop going in your men would stop being killed.

>> of course i want to stop the war but i said do you, we guarantee -- >> you would get a cease-fire faster than anything. >> the cease-fire, i asked my people what they think. >> that wasn't me. that was with a guy named biden who was not a smart person. excuse me, that was with obama who gave you sheets and i gave you javelins. i gave you the chaplains to take out all the tanks. obama gave you sheets. impact, the statement he as obama gave sheets and trump gave javelins. you have to be more thankful. because let me tell you, you don't have the cards. with us, you have the cards. without us cody don't have any cards. >> a question, mr. president. >> it will be a tough field to make because the attitudes have to change. >> what if russia breaks the cease-fire? why do we do then? i understand this is a heated

conversation right now. >> what are you saying? >> she is saying what if russia breaks the cease-fire? >> what if anything? what if a bomb dropped on your head right now. what if they broke it. they broke it with biden because they didn't respect them and they didn't respect obama. they respect me. let me tell you, putin went through a lot with me in a witch hunt where they used him in russia, russia, russia, russia did you ever here at that deal? a pony jill biden scam. hillary clinton, shifty adam schiff who was a democrat scam and he had to go through that and he did go through that. we didn't end up in a war any he was accused of all that stuff that he had nothing to do but that. it came out of hunter biden's bathroom. it came out of hunter biden's bedroom. it was disgusting! and then they said, oh, oh, the laptop from hell made from

russia and the whole thing was a scam and he had to put up with that and being asked accused of all of that stuff. i can say is is, he may have broken deals with obama, bush and he might have broken with biden, he did, maybe, i don't know i have been, but he didn't break it with me. he wants to make a deal and i don't know if he can make a deal. to the problem is, i have empowered you to be a tough guy. i don't think it would be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave. >> thank you. >> you think make a deal or url and if you are out you fight it out. i don't think it will be pretty. you will fight it out. that you don't have the cards. once we sign that deal, you are in a much better position. but you are not acting at all thankful and that is not a nice thing. i will be honest, that is not a nice thing. i think we have seen enough, what you think? this will be great television, i

will say that. we will see what we can do. >> bill: that is about as real as it gets. as best as we can tell, sandra the presence had one more question and that is when things went sideways here. van zelenskyy interrupted vance and said, can i help you? explain you something. what kind of diplomacy? and vance says go to the kind that will destroy your country. and man, this was really something else. i don't know where it stands right now in terms of negotiations but keep in mind, when they went into the state on behalf of scott bessent the secretary treasury that the deal was done and they are ready to sign this metal rights deal. on top of that hotel we have not gotten to a cease-fire yet. we are waiting on the press

conference right now as we await. >> incredible moment and jacqui heinrich live at the white house. is started out the clip we played the 10 minutes of it where he was question, president trump who he is aligned with and obviously conversation about zelenskyy and putin. vance at one point to step in to say zelenskyy is disrespectful approaching this conversation in the oval office. president trump said you are in no position to dictate what i feel. there is going to be a lot of reaction to this, jacqui. >> we are awaiting a press conference and i don't know if one will happen because we are expecting to see ukraine and the u.s. put pen to paper to sign the deal. after that display we saw, the president was asked on the way out of the oval office if they will continue to talk. he said, "we will see. i don't know." it is possible this goes off the rails and they don't get a

signature deal or a press conference. this all came out what we can tell what was played back so far because the event happening on the oval office, and we get the tape playback. what we have seen so far indicates it all spiraled from zelenskyy bringing up the need for security guarantees. this rare earth minerals deal does not come with security deals and it sounds like zelenskyy was expressing the need to have them go to a specialist the peace talks with russia continues coach expressing concern in the past russia has violated cease-fire and when they don't have security guarantees, they have seen other parts of ukraine gobbled up. he tried to explain to vice president vance and to president trump that you might not feel the consequences of this in america right now, but if you allow putin to move on unchecked, you could feel that at some point periods are really talking up the need for security guarantees at which point j.d. vance

and president trump basically worked at him and said, you dont have any leg to stand on and asking us for more. you have been ungrateful. it was a term from the beginning of the press conference because they had exchange pleasantries. yesterday, president trump even walked back his statement that zelenskyy was a dictator with elections. i don't recall saying that. this went off of the rails and a disaster for ukraine. until we get the next notice out of the white house about whether we are going to have a press conference in a deal signing or not, we are waiting for word on where this stands. >> bill: jackie, earlier this morning before the sun came up they were given a schedule from the white house and our understanding 1:00 press conference and 15 minutes past that now that live at brett during the 6:00 "the report" did we even get that far on the

schedule? >> well, i don't know about zelenskyy's schedule but i know president trump is scheduled to leave for mar-a-lago at the end of the day. this was supposed to be wrapped up by early afternoon. they were supposed to have the deal signing at the press conference at 1:00 and obviously delayed from that. but the bilateral spray, basically where the press is allowed him to watch the beginnings and ushered out. the president said we will have lunch and we will talk and get this done and we will sign it in front of the wall. we watched evolve before our eyes. who knows how long this will take or if anything comes out of it. at this point it is tenuous whether we will see the deal signed at all. >> sandra: it feels like it got personal at times with zelenskyy talking back to vice president vance about the level of his voice, about speaking loudly. president trump then said to zelenskyy, "you are not winning

this. attitudes have to change." jacqui, do we know if the press has been called into what is supposed to be a news conference happening at 1:00 eastern time? >> they have not and i will have to run that when that happens. i have not got the notice we are being pulled back yet. presumably they are still talking about oval office and waiting for a to let us back in. and jacqui thank you for that. they were as meeting that we have not shown the viewers yet. the back and forth and we were following on the wire is here comment here to bet that last 1d everyone. with that, let's bring in dan hoffman former cia and welcome to the coverage. your immediate reaction to what you saw and where this stands now? >> it is tough to watch, bill, that level of antagonism in front of the media. i'm sure it is something the

russians are watching closely. i would contrast that with meetings earlier this week president zelenskyy had with european partners, which the atmosphere there one of great support for ukraine and a lot of mutual respect. i would also contrast it with the beginnings of diplomatic negotiations with the russians in saudi arabia and in stumble where we talked about increasing the size of diplomatic relationn the united states and us doing e same in russia as well as potentially resuming direct flights between russia and the united states. all of those engagements comparatively soft-spoken and easy compared to today. there is a lot of tension there. look, ukraine, zelenskyy is a wartime leader and he watched his people killed the past three years indiscriminately russia targeting hospitals and maternity wards and neighborhoods. ukraine has been fighting for survival in a war the biden administration and not just the russians that would only last a couple of days.

the biden administration sent the landscape rain. he said i don't need a flight out i hear but ammunition because it is ukraine's war. they have been fighting and dying on the front lines protecting europe from potential russian onslaught. so no child the president has taken on this responsibility to negotiate a deal incredibly difficult to negotiate with kgb guy and the kremlin. and it reflects both of those things. >> bill: we have more breaking news here to go ahead. >> sandra: president trump posted to treat social and i wanted to get to it right away. it indicates a lot. we had a meaningful meeting stamped 1:16 p.m. eastern time and much learned never understood without conversation under such fire and pressure and amazing what comes out through a motion. i have determined that president zelenskyy is not ready for peace if america is involved because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in

negotiations here too i don't want advantage. i want peace! he disrespected the united states of america and its cherished oval office and he can come back when he is ready for peace. dan, your reaction. >> well, i guess that puts a hold on this rare earth agreement that was supposed to have been signed today 1:00 p.m. and it probably puts a hold for the time being, at least, on any negotiations to achieve a cease-fire. that is not the outcome anyone would hope for. i'm quite sure senior radcliffe would look at pulsing his sources inside of russia to determine their reflections from the kremlin on the latest rather disconcerting development. dan, standby. we want to keep you with us. bill mcgurn "wall street journal," karl rove, kimberley strassel and thank you for getting up and chipping and on the coverage

right here. i tell you, i was in vietnam when trump and mike pompeo meeting with kim jong un in north korea. dan, i know you remember that all too well also when behind closed doors and no cameras and they came out and said, boom legitimating is over! that was then and now this is today, karl rove what is your read what you watched on tv for the past 30 minutes? >> well, this is why diplomacy should never be conducted in public. am confident we now know for example in world war ii there were heated disagreements between franklin roosevelt, joseph stalin and winston churchill that we didn't see them broadcast on tv and saw statements came out of these big conferences in which the allies made an effort to move forward together. it is hard to get and would be incredibly hard to walk back from the kind of animosity that we saw in that room today and to walk back some of those

statements. two it could have been done if it had not and cameras had not been running. but the only winner out of today is vladimir putin. this is a mistake to have it broadcast. it is a mistake for zelenskyy to get his dander up. and it was a mistake for the president, vice president to be so public in their comments. this was not a moment that should have been televised. they should have had those conversations out of the camera site. i'm confident they would find a way to move forward. it is hard to have a kind of coverage we have had at this moment. >> sandra: we are looking live at the white house west wing exit to see if we see activity. bill mcgurn, i want to bring you end. here is more from that exchange. president trump on a deal or no deal. listen. >> i don't know what happen, but he didn't break them with me. he wants to make a deal. i don't know if he can make a

deal. the problem is, i have empowered you to be a tough guy. i don't think he would be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave. that you will either make a deal and we are out. if we are out, you will fight it out. i don't think it would be pretty. you will fight it out. you don't have the cards. once we send that deal, you are in much better position. you are not acting at all painful and that is not a nice thing, i will be honest, that is not a nice thing. i think we have seen enough, what do you think? this is going to be great television. i will say that. we will see what we can do. >> sandra: usaid, in addition to fiery exchange, a lot of body language happening with the world leaders as well, your thoughts. >> i thought the body language was awful. did you have world leaders pointing at each other and correcting each other. i am a great, this is all stuff

that can be in the back room. and made substantive points and they went in with it to announce a deal. that is a good deal, the mineral deal and it's not everything that a step forward. but instead, we got constant correction of each other and two online against zelenskyy. i think president zelenskyy misread donald trump and especially in the public setting. i think behind closed doors, trump could say "you are not grateful." it is a mistake and would have gone over better. but the president is fighting for his country in front of cameras and he knows putin's is watching in his home country man are watching. the leaders get trapped by their environment. i think that is what they were. a a zelenskyy would be wise to look more grateful. but put it this way, for the

afghans grateful for what the data? could biden get away with we abandoned them because they were grateful? no, eight interest much larger than that. i thought it was very unfortunate. i don't know how they walk this back. >> bill: we will see. there is still time and it's not even 1:30 in the afternoon. on trump time, things can move quickly. kim, coming here and where to you guessed that things go next? the thing that stood out to me just how far apart they clearly are on so many issues. that really if you listen to the backtalk and the crosstalk, those points spi spelled out the are supposed to be eating rare earths mineral deal but in the course of a conversation, we found out that zelenskyy clearly is not sold on the notion of a cease-fire. there are huge discussion still going on about what kind of security guarantees if any would

be there. putin seems to be far more open to this, which should get everyone pause. the ukrainian counterpart -- one other thing that stood out to me, i wonder a little bit, too, a mistake made and a lot of mistakes made on both sides. one might be that zelenskyy conducted this in english. i think it is heroic he speaks in english, but language is very complicated. i think there were some words used that simply riled trump and vance in a way i don't think it meant to. for instance, we have been going at this alone. those on the battlefield fighting, the soldiers themselves have only been ukrainians where trump and vance said he was not grateful for economic assistance and weapons american send. that was also at play and another reason none of they should have happened in public.

>> sandra: dan, i want to go back to this moment. it appears the moment zelenskyy attempts a reset to go back to what he said was the beginning. listen here. >> most of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. but you don't feel now that you will feel it in the future. >> you don't know that. you don't know that. don't tell us what we are going to be able. we are trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we are going to feel. >> i'm not telling you what to feel. >> that is exactly what you are doing. you are in no position to dictate what we are going to feel. we are going to feel very good. we are going to feel very good and strong. right now, you are not in a good position. you have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. >> we are at the beginning of the war. >> sandra: there were moments

where it felt like it went from bad to worse. >> can makes a point about the language. admin and a lot of diplomatic discussions and the idea you have a translator gives both sides to speak and dial down if necessary the tension in the room. it also allows both presidents to convey what they like with a lot of nuance. that was a challenge in this case for president zelenskyy and hard for him maybe to express what he really wanted to express in english. when it comes to gratitude, he could have dealt it down by saying look, i addressed u.s. congress and think the u.s. congress and the american people but since then i have been very grateful. i think the fact he had to speak english, not his native language presented additional problems. neither, no one took the opportunity to doubt things down but more he did. >> bill: are they having his press conference or no? >> i think they have some work

to do because if they were to have a press conference right now, it would be a follow up on the 10 minutes we saw. that would not be of any additional help to the cause. >> bill: okay, they are just getting work now the press conference has been canceled. so if that continues to be the case, zelenskyy could have come to the u.s. and will leave empty-handed and the united states working towards mineral rights deal will also be without a deal as well. i mentioned the situation for a reason. trump and pompeo behind closed doors negotiating with kim jong un and it was historic. it was the second time they had gotten together and trump and pompeo by all accounts were pressing him to sign a deal and come to an agreement. they were not getting anywhere so both men sat at, "meeting is over. they got up and went to a second

hotel and questions 30 minutes got on a plane and flew home. that was the end of negotiations between the united states and north korea. we are told right now the conference will not happen. could that happen? i guess i could, sandra, right? >> sandra: not considering what the president and president trump asked zelenskyy to lead. we have not seen his departure yet. that apparently has happened here too suppose, karl karl youd have gotten from the statement. we put that back on the screen and the fire exchange in the oval office tip to truth social account to talk about a meaningful meeting at the white house today. much was learned, he said. it is amazing what comes out through a motion and i'm determined president zelenskyy is not peace if america is involved because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. i don't want advantage but peace. he disrespected me and i states

of america and the oval office and he can come back when peace. here is more from that exchange. our team pulled a sound bite. really another telling moment, listen. >> okay, we will pull that together and just a second. karl let me read you the verb eight he tell zelenskyy and oval office, you don't have the cards right now. with us you start having cards. zelenskyy responded, "i'm not playing cards." president trump said, "but right now you don't. you are gambling with the lives of millions of people. you are gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with the gambling with world war iii and again he said what you are doing this are disrespectful to the country that has back to far more than a lot of people said they should have." karl. look, that may be true but it would be better expressed in

private because both men have walked themselves to a rhetorical edge. it may be difficult to pull back from the edge. it is important they do appear to the best thing that can happen now is they come to an agreement on this minerals deal and walk away as nice of comments they can make. because the only winner today if there is no deal and if these two men lead, the only winner is vladimir putin and the result will be more depth, more distraction because it will embolden putin. both of these men need to step back for a moment and consider the greater stakes here. get the deal done. they don't need to have a press conference. they can issue a joint statement both teams can work out and they can be done with this. if this ends up with no agreement and the two men go their separate ways one to return to the battlefront in ukraine and the other to go to mar-a-lago, the only winner will be vladimir putin. the situation in europe will get worse and it will embolden putin

and more importantly embolden the allies have putin namely tehran, beijing mpa on in the united states cannot lead and the ukrainians cannot be brought into a reasonable situation and it will be a bad, really bad. >> bill: here is the latest from the white house officials. zelenskyy is leaving the white house early. not that he has left yet. test to clarify that from a moment ago after the meeting contentious meeting we watched. bret's interview is still on schedule for 6:00 tonight. his interview with zelenskyy four times now and might have been the upcoming four-time and he tells me his interview scheduled to be in english so without a translator so just fill back and on the conversation as to whether or not the language barrier contributed to the contentious moment we just watched. martha maccallum joins us and

welcome to direct coverage. i don't think we had this on the card today but it is what it is. >> hi, guys, this was an extraordinary exchange. i thought it was interesting when president trump said you know what is good for people to see this. this is the kind of event that usually happens behind closed doors in three years later, you read it in a book and you wonder whether or not both sides have sort of break the narrative of it to make them look better or worse. but they got to see this play out in real time. it raises a lot of questions about where we will go from here. i think one of them is how much does zelenskyy want a piece d deal? because it feels like what he still wants is more weapons and he would probably love to see the united states for peacekeeping missions with the united kingdom and france on board with that because at

one point when president trump said, "i am for america. and for the world. i am for your." zelenskyy made a face, are you with europe? and i think this dynamic what we are watching shift here is absolutely history unraveling. we don't know how this will end. will it embolden putin as suggested benchmark or will it provide space for this deal to happen? this was an extraordinary, historic example of negotiations. talk about the art of the deal hotel that is what we sell working in there and whether or not this is intentional in some ways or whether or not it was an emotional outburst. trump is suggesting, this is what happens when emotions run over in his post there. it will be interesting to see zelenskyy walk out of the store.

>> bill: it was wrong and it was real and there were no walls. usually, that is the situation, but not today. >> sandra: not just president trump but dolinsky and vice president j.d. vance got involved and very much in the middle of this. this was an exchange where he jumped end. listen. >> have you said thank you once the entire time? no, in this entire meeting here till you went to pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in october all for some words of appreciation for the united states of america or to the president is trying to save your country. >> sandra: kim strassel with us. another remarkable exchange there. >> you know but i think it is worthwhile drilling down we are focusing on the emotion. but some of the exchanges were important here. you go back to the beginning of this and it launched when j.d. vance jumped in uninvited and gave kind of a lecture about the need for real diplomacy rather than chest thumping

joe biden engaged in. by the way, i agree with that sentiment. about what happened is zelenskyy tried to engage on this. if you listen to his words, he recounted the many, many, many years at the discussions that have been had with vladimir putin where he made promises and then he broke those promises. i think what he was trying to suggest is, look, there are some real issues here and it is great to come up with a deal but will it be a lasting deal? the lasting history of this vladimir putin does not abide by that. donald trump's response to that, well, that was prior presidents, you know, that was biden and didn't respect him that they will respect me. that may well be true in the short term for four years, but you will be gone in four years and what happens after that i smirked there is legitimate policy discussions being ad here it is unfortunate it had to break out the way it did and so ugly on the public sphere.

>> bill: can barely think you and bill mcgurn back in the conversation. j.d. vance went to pennsylvania in october. it is almost that was in the back of his mind when this meeting began, bill. >> i think that was a mistake by zelenskyy to align himself with the biden administration. he made many mistakes like that, especially with donald trump who doesn't forget. but with that said, the day started with supposedly the announcement of this mineral deal. the mineral deal as presented by donald trump was clear that they cause i security guarantee, idf, russia would not intervene if we were there with significant interest. i think that is true. it is a small agreement hereto it is not ceasefire. it is not peace deal but it moved us a step forward. if i were the white house and zelenskyy despite all of the

heat, i would try to get the negotiators in the back room and salvage the deal. that is the important thing here to that certainly a setback for zelenskyy pet setback for president trump. he has the guy that says he can get deals done. this is an important deal. i think it is more important now that if they can get that back on track, there is a way to backtrack from all of the remarks. i think the remarks themselves really are the secondary issue here to the fact that this animosity broke out in public and undermined the mineral deals really the worst thing to come out of the meeting today. >> sandra: if you could all stay with us, we will head back to the white house and jacqui heinrich as information for us. jacqui. i went up to the press secretary to get a feeling what we were watching. this is what i was told. the president kicked dolinsky out of the white house. his delegation right now telling him he's got to go home care to

the president felt disrespected officials in the room felt beyond the language barrier, we heard zelenskyy's body language and trucking and eye rolling and grateful and disrespectful the president feels zelenskyy is not ready for peace and he can come back when he's ready to talk about peace. he is not in that position right now. and zelenskyy is being told he has to go appeared to the lunch they were supposed to have is sitting ri right right outside f the hallway. the press staffers will be eating that lunch. this is really pretty incredible. we see -- >> bill: jacqui, hanging on for a moment or two if you look to the left you will see him. let's watch. president zelenskyy, can you tell us what happened?

>> did you sign the minerals deal? >> is that they'll love? >> did you sign the minerals deal? >> bill: we may watch the floor faltered this moment in international relations and diplomacy. or this might be the art of the deal. and we will not know for quite some time. jacqui, it appears going into this meeting that this

relationship was not great. about a week ago, president trump called president zelenskyy a dictator. he was asked about that with the british prime minister and he said, did i say that? next question. as if he wanted to brush that off and make sure things today went smoother. >> well, zelenskyy we are told was begging to stay and work this out. the ukrainians were begging at the present in the white house to continue talking. the president is having none of it. zelenskyy is not ready for peace and this deal was not signed until there is no signing and there will be no joint press conference. the next time we will see the president is at departure. there he goes, right behind me zelenskyy out of the white house gate. no deal signed and no joint press conference. tensions at an all-time high between the two leaders. to the prospect of peace talks and what this means for the war that is raged on for three

years, you cannot overstate what a moment in time we just witnessed. while the president left the invitation open to come back when you are ready to talk seriously about what it takes to achieve peace, zelenskyy feels very dug in. he was dismissive of the u.s. overtures that you have to accept a cease-fire first. you have to deal with the other side appeared at the divide between the two could not be wider. we expect to see the president at departure later on this afternoon when he heads to mar-a-lago for the weekend. but that is the only other time we will hear directly from him. i guess we will hear from zelenskyy on "special report" tonight that will be a must watch tv after what we witnessed today. >> sandra: jacqui, please stay with us. we don't know as zelenskyy tried to go back to the table but the best in the white house. we don't know if the departure happened after the oval office meeting. i'm sure we will get more details about that later, but

there is a chance perhaps he tried to go back to the president and say, "let's work something out." >> the statement given to jacqui is that he was begging to stay and work this out. we have heard language like that before. also, that he was kicked out. it is easy to see that the white house wants this to be the end to know on this. we kicked him out and disrespect of the president. and we are not able to move forward at this point and that he was begging to stay according to them. they moved -- kicked out is what it looked like when we tell the people coming out of the door. they were hightailing it out the door, no niceties, no handshaking, piled into the core and the literally flying out of the driveway in front of the white house. this is extraordinary moment that you can't help but think it's you or vladimir putin and you are watching zelenskyy get kicked out of the white house and drive away in a huff, what

are you thinking if you are putin? i think you are liking what you are seeing. i think you liked the way this is falling apart. we will see where it goes from here. >> sandra: to be sure, jacqui, if you can get more details you were able to learn from the white house official. this was tape played back so we know this conversation -- okay, jacqui is not with us but martha, this ended the noon hour. there was about an hour or so that passed before we saw him exit. >> they may have gone to their separate corners. >> sandra: right here just because they are pretty riled up. there is a motion at play and president trump mentioned that in the truth social post he put out. the vice president didn't like the body language and eye rolling he could see from his advantage point on the couch and that we certainly saw at home. i thought it was a fascinating moment between the president and

vice president. i don't remember a moment like this between a team running the country where you see vance jump in and basically come to president trump's side and be his wing man in a powerful way. the question going through my mind, so if there is no mineral deal, where are we? it seems zelenskyy wants to keep fighting. does putin want to keep fighting? the 20% of ukraine that is now occupied by the russians, none of that has changed. the world is not in a great place. and if you are year are up, how concerned are you? meetings with emmanuel and russians had no way to put up peacekeeping troops that russias smaller military and this is their side of the deal. we want a smaller military for ukraine and we want a new election. they also want to kick zelenskyy out of ukraine as he was just unceremoniously removed from the

white house. so putin wants his own guy and there and i have to believe he is watching this thing maybe i'm one step closer to that. >> bill: that will meeting in saudi arabia and jack keane establishing whether putin serious about establishing peace. peace. the negotiator is there on behalf of the administration felt that it is the case and that is the reason we have gotten to this point. senior official in the white house a moment ago, trump not ruling out a agreement with zelenskyy but not until ukraine is ready to have constructive conversation. it is not wheels up yet, ladies. >> sandra: you never know. >> bill: back-to-back to jacqui heinrich on that, jacqui. >> guys, cannot overstate how incredible that was. this is the white house's view what the bald. i'm sure we will hear different stories from zelenskyy when he joined bret on "special report." the way it is told to us,

ukrainians begging to reset. zelenskyy remained on property somewhere in the west wing wanting to restart this whole day, which was supposed to end with deals honey in a joint press conference. the president having none of it. he kicked him out of the white house and members of delegation, rubio, michael waltz telling ukrainians, this is not going to be the time this gets e because it appears the u.s. side zelenskyy is not ready to talk about peace and what peace is going to take. and return when his attitude change is. the to the sides to enjoy a lunch before the press conference. when i went to the upper press to ask what is going on back here as we are all waiting zelenskyy's departure and the actual lunch they would be eating when sitting on tables in the hallway. to the staffers told me they will be eating it. this is really incredible. we don't expect to hear from the president outside of the departure today when he is likely to come to the cameras

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♪ ♪ >> sandra: all right, fox news alert. this was a scene at the white house moments ago. president zelenskyy leavy and martha, you are pointing out how quick of the next that this wasn't someone tried to hand him something. he ran out of the way with his team. at the video plays go to the rest of the ukrainian delegation literally hot footing out the door piling into cars and nothing ever seen like this. this is so interesting because what is the next chess move and all of this? it is clear. i'm going back to originally really, really annoyed president trump. that was the suggestion this mineral deal might not happen. and scott bessent went over there and reports that not testy as well and president trump is

like, you know what, stopped taking off my people. we are trying to help you in the war and the killing we are seeing. and i think president trump at one point said, "it is probably good people are seeing this." that petulance of the president of ukraine in that moment, he was not cool under fire in that moment is probably something that president trump is not sorry that the people of this country are witnessing. where it goes from here, mean, i don't know how putin proceeds this. will he be tough with me, too? maybe putin thinks as he watches this. president trump once an economic foreign policy. look at greenland. look at panama and even gaza improving the economy for ukraine and what he sees in ukraine we spent $350 billion. now he would like to see -- this has happened in history these

kind of exchanges and economic resources after wars, $350 billion he would like to have a stake in the future of mining these critical minerals in ukraine as a way to help rebuild the country. think of it as a mini marshall plan for ukraine, postwar to bring the country back and also gives the united states a presence on the ground president believes that putin will not dare mess with crossing the line again. be when we can debate whether a strategy going into the meeting. it was definitely 211. the fact that it came the moment when things went sideways and came so far into the meeting, i would argue against that. but something set off j.d. j.d. vance. and the president was right there with him verbally in lockstep against zelenskyy. dan hoffman still here and so is karl rove. is similar to the top of the next hour, dan, let's bring you

back in and karl before a fresh shower. trump is willing to do a deal and while zelenskyy is still in the country. as we said 5 minutes ago, he's not wheels up yet, dan. >> well, look, clearly this was a missed opportunity or two i would emphasize this meeting between president trump and president zelenskyy began with president zelenskyy showing pictures at the russian war crimes. look, russia started the war and yet they invaded ukraine. russia could stop the war if they would stop raining down hill on civilians. but they are not doing that. and there is no question that ukraine wants peace. i think if you ask ukrainians, they absolutely want peace and zelenskyy wants peace but they show for ukraine, what ukraine will look like postwar. what kind of reconstruction will we see? what kind of deterrence will be

said against potential future russian aggression? those are the issues at stake here. at both sides can take some time now to take a step back and revisit this, not very confident we will see that. but that is clearly what we need to be thinking about doing. >> sandra: karl bringing u.n. for a final thought before we kick off a new lower. i said before the break frank frantz's emmanuel macron a shouting match in the office and ratios that aggressor and ukraine aggressive people. we will help russia may sanction and we must respect those fighting since the beginning. also noting that they are sent out a note saying the interview he has with president zelenskyy on "special report" tonight is still on here till the white house does know he sitting down for that as well. to the president is aware. so that will be fascinating to

watch, carl. let's get your thoughts here. >> i thought and was absolutely right. the russians invaded ukraine and it is putin's ability to stop the war immediately. if i were vladimir putin coach alex accused me, zelenskyy and his advisors i would remember you are dealing with the producer of "the apprentice." the best thing to figure out how this can be structured in a way that they win in the president the united states wins here till the best way to do that is to go on tonight and express interest, deep interest in having this agreement on an expressed willingness to fly to mar-a-lago tomorrow to cut the deal with the president and advisors and try tonight with michael waltz and rubio to get the deal tense of the president of the united states could have a big victory at mar-a-lago tomorrow sunday and ukraine can go home with knowing that the united states is now economically tied to this

survival of their country. >> sandra: all right, karl, thank you so much. martha, final thought here quick to make. >> you do have to wonder how this is all being read by russia, by china and by iran. as we watch this unfold, you see the chess pieces move on the global stage. president trump has said he wants to move within america first ammo through all of this. i would not be surprised if you see zelenskyy and trump start to work on this deal or at least their people get together to start to rethink these terms. this is important for both countries. "the wall street journal" this morning opinion page this morning, and mineral deal ukraine cannot refuse. martha, thank you so much. to the panel as well, thank you all. breaking news hour as we kick off the new lower top o'clock in the top of the 2:00 eastern time. >> you are in the war and