ranges on between ukraine and russia. we will see where it goes to. you need a cease-fire and to deter the russian attacks and get the mineral deal and some kind of burden sharing operation set up with european partners. that is how you establish what will be, eventually, when the war ends. the new front line for cold war 3.0. in 2025. >> sandra: great to have you here bill. a lot of news. brett has an interview with president zelenskyy at 6:00 tonight and we will watch this exclusive interview on special report. that is the what is next. i will join the folks on the 5:00 ahead of that on this friday evening. >> no shortage of topics. >> sandra: thanks for joining us on america reports. i'm sandra smith. >> and i'm bill. "the story" with martha continues right now on this story and with more. >> martha: indeed it does it. i'm martha maccallum and this is

"the story". what an extraordinary scene we saw play out today at the white house. this is global power dynamics live on television this afternoon. and you are hearing a lot of feedback around the world and reaction to this. it was a stunning sequence of events from the oval office and broadcast for the world to see. and the showdown was between president trump and vice president vance and ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. what was supposed to end with lunch and a deal signing over minerals and a 50/50 deal that would've put the united states with an economic interest of ukraine that president trump has explained as a secure guarantee. if the united states is mining and investing in ukraine it creates a barrier that he believes that russia would be very reluctant to penetrate. we were supposed to get this big press conference at 1:00.

they've been running a bit later. but it will not happen at all this afternoon now. and then the white house relayed in their words, president zelenskyy had been kicked out of the white house by secretary of state marco rubio and national security advisor michael walz. there is the hurried exit by volodymyr zelenskyy. the president of ukraine. just to make this clear, usually the goodbye of this event, you would see the president come out and they would shake hands and there would be a photo opportunity. anyone who thinks this was not a rushed exit has not seen how most of these things play out at the white house. we will play this out for you because there is very interesting dynamic, listening to what the two sides are saying. it tells you a lot about where each of them is coming from. and the moment it began to get tents, started about 30 minutes into all of this.

here's where it started. watch. >> if i didn't align myself with both of them, you would never have a deal. you want me to say really terrible things about putin and say how are you, what's the deal? i'm not aligned with anyone. you see the hatred he has for putin. it's tough for me to make a deal. he has tremendous hatred and i understand that but the other side is not in love with him either. >> i will respond to this. for four years we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about putin and then putin invaded ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. we tried the pathway of joe biden of thumping our chest and pretending that the

president of the united states' words mattered more than their actions. what makes america a good country is america engaging in diplomacy. that is what president trump is doing. >> can i ask you? >> sure. >> he occupied big parts of ukraine. parsed of east and crimea. he occupied it in 2014. during a lot of years, i'm not speaking just biden, but that time was obama and then president trump and then-president biden and now president trump and god bless, now president trump will stop him. but during 2014 no one stopped him. what kind of diplomacy are you speaking about, j.d.? what do you mean? >> the diplomacy that will end the destruction of your country. with respect, mr. president, it's disrespectful to come and try to litigate this in front of

american media. right now you are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower power plums. you should thank the president for trying to bring in end to the conflict. do you think it is respectful to come to the oval office and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country? >> a lot of questions. let's start from the beginning. during the war, everyone has problems. even you. me you have nice ocean and don't feel now. but you will feel it in the future. >> you don't know that. >> god bless. >> don't tell us what we will feel. were trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we will feel. >> i'm not telling -- >> you are in no position to dictate what we will feel. we will feel very good. >> you will feel influenced. >> we will feel good and strong. >> you are right now not in a

good position. you've allowed yourself to be in a very bad physician. >> from the very beginning of the war i was -- >> you don't have the cards right now. with us -- >> i am not playing cards. >> your gambling with the lives of millions of people. you are gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with world war iii. and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country. it is given a far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> martha: that is the first chunk of this. it escalated from there and we will show you the rest but we want to pause in there and bring in mike pompeo, former head of the cia and fox news contributor. great to have you with us today. your reaction to what we saw, sir? >> great to be with you. it's quite unusual in 1 cents

it. it's unusual it played out in public. but i've seen many tough conversations with world leaders. i've been part of them with the chinese and others. president trump has been with them and i've been party to those as well. the vigourous nature of the day bait that took place, each side to staking out its argument and claim and each trying to deliver on behalf of its people, that didn't stunned me. i'm probably pretty hard to the surprise at this point in. but was surprised it took place in the oval office with media still present. and the second thing i observed was when you're engaged in these things that are absolutely important to the united states of america and to the ukrainian people and europe, you have to make sure you don't personalize this work it can't be about individuals. it so much bigger than that. it matters to how this administration can successfully deliver the deterrence and had during the first four years and pushing back against vladimir putin as we had done. you need the ideas right in the structure right. it is about actions and not

words. and when we get those things right we can deliver a really good outcome for the united states and frankly for europe and ukraine as well. and if you get them wrong than there is lots of risk as president trump described in the oval office. >> martha: quick question before we go to the second part. when president trump said you have no cards. with us you have cards in your gambling with world war iii. do you agree with those statements? >> there is no doubt that ukraine without the support of united states of america puts itself in real jeopardy and risk. we should do this well and powerfully. and when we do ukraine will have a chance to get a good outcome. and that matters to the united states deeply, martha. >> martha: it matters to the security of the world, really. that is the goal that was set out to be achieved today with this first piece being a mineral deal. everyone needs to understand that. this was the first piece and as

president trump has said you don't figure out peacekeeping troops until we get further down the line. this was part one and maybe they will be able to salvage it. let's watch the next section of this really historic moment for all of us who have been following this war very closely. watch this. >> have you said thank you wants? this entire time? in this entire meeting? >> maybe today. >> you went to pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition. and the president that's trying to save your country. >> you think if you speak very loudly -- >> he is not speaking loudly. >> you have done a lot of trouble. >> i know. >> you have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of

us. >> we stayed strong from the beginning of the war of. we have been thankful. >> you haven't been alone. we gave you through the stupid president $350 billion. we give you military equipment. they had to use our military. if you didn't have our military equipment -- >> you invited me to speak. >> this war would have been over and two weeks. >> in three days, i heard it from putin. >> it will be a very hard thing to do. >> i'm just saying, say thank you. >> i said it to the american people. >> let's go litigate the disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the american media when you are wrong. we know you are wrong. >> martha: secretary pompeo, you said you've seen plenty of this behind closed doors. we remember the north korea story where the president came home. we will not get a deal in this.

what is lost or gained in this particular situation by the fact that the entire country and the world did watch this? >> pretty clear at the different views that are held. some of this was counterfactual. when president zelenskyy says they have been alone, president trump is right and that has not been the case. my judgement is we should have done more to deter vladimir putin as we had done the four years prior to the biden administration. but now the world can see what is at stake and passionate leaders that are each trying to protect their own interests and i think it is very clear now that if we get this wrong that the risk to global security is very real. make no mistake about it. vladimir putin was watching this and xi jinping and the list of people who are watching this in the oval office today was a very long. >> martha: what do you think their reaction was? just take putin for starters.

watching all of this closely? >> it's interesting. i think he is seen this side of donald trump. the javelin missiles that protected kyiv and 2017 were the result of donald trump having put them in when president obama refused to do so. i think putin gets the donald trump will be someone who takes it seriously the responsibility to deter aggression from russia and so i think he saw that on full display today. a vigourous president capable of advocating for america's interests. >> martha: but putin does not want there to be a mineral deal and he has no intention of giving up the territory where 20 or 30% of the minerals actually lie. so would he be pleased that with the opportunity that potentially this mineral deal will fall apart? >> yeah. i agree with that, but there are

still many shoes to drop on this. we don't know how this ultimately concludes. no doubt that vladimir putin -- i think zelenskyy got it right. you can't trust vladimir putin to agree to anything. we withdrew from nuclear agreements that the russians were not abiding by. no chance we can expect them to live up to it. it is about power and force and capabilities and the united states is a capability and the force to deter the russians with the right leadership. >> martha: former secretary of state, like pompeo. thank you. >> have a good afternoon. >> martha: a general is up next. life, diabetes, there's no slowing down. each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response.

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fight it out. i don't think it will be pretty. but you will fight it out. be you don't have the cards. once we signed that deal, you are in a much better position. >> martha: ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, there is the video of him basically hustling out of the white house, to be sure. the white house put up the message that he had been kicked out of the white house by marco rubio, the secretary of state and the national security advisor, michael walls. let us bring in four-star general jack keane, vice chief of staff of the army and now chairman of the institute of the study of war and fox news strategic analyst and one of the best people to talk to who has really studied and watched every moment of the development of this war. so general, at have you with us. what is your reaction to what happened today. >> let me say i associate myself

with secretary pompeo's comments and i had a couple thoughts. number 1, no president has ever experienced what zelenskyy has experienced. three years of war in his country and he is attacked by the most powerful country in europe and has a much larger military that out guns the ukrainians and he has watched people suffer on a regular basis. he always goes to the front to help his troops in their spirit and morale. but it has to take a toll on him to see the suffering taking place among his people. the only president who comes close to that is abraham lincoln and the civil war. that is one thing. the second thing, he should have understood going into the oval office today that when the cameras are on the reporters are going to try to provoke division, particularly the body of reporters we know are in the white house that are anti-trump. they want to try to accentuate

that division in front of the american people. so provocative questions will be asked. and the only answer to the questions should be from zelenskyy it, thank you mr. president, thank you america. i will work with you to achieve a peaceful end to the war. he must say that five or six or seven time in different wars -- in different words and stay away from anything that smacks of controversy. he fell into the trap and likely below the surface he has disagreements with the president and his team. and that is to be expected. but not in the oval office. that is done privately as anyone has said today. the second thing is what the last snippet talked about. zelenskyy likely doesn't see this deal, the mineral deal, in the same light that president trump does. he seize it as a huge strategic deal that connects the

united states to ukraine for a generation at least it. it will take years of exploration and mining to get all of that out where it is monetized properly. he knows all of that. but it connects them economically to ukraine and politically to ukraine and all the implications in terms of security and military to ukraine. but trump does not want to go there on the third thing prior to negotiations. he knows full well that given the investment the united states will make that he will do what is necessary to protect it. but prior to negotiations with putin, he is not laying that stuff out on the table. i'm stunned zelenskyy does not have an appreciation for who he is dealing with. that he hasn't been briefed and the kind of details that he has to have. what zelenskyy wants is a strategic partnership with trump, martha. where they are working together to deal with putin.

-- with putin. and what the president is doing is facilitating the negotiations. zelenskyy doesn't want that and wants a partnership. but president trump believes if he wants any progress with putin at, he can't sign up with zelenskyy to achieve that. he puts faith and personal diplomacy that exceeds most presidents i have seen, going all the way back to franklin delano roosevelt. so that is some of the divide here and it's really unfortunate if this blows up in the media certainly. i don't think it is the lost opportunity that we are feeling right now. why? lists and. it in the u.s. national interest to end this war and stop putin in his tracks. it is in zelenskyy's national interest and all his people wanted and the staff wants it as well. so i think this is possible to

recover from but to use a metaphor, obviously something zelenskyy doesn't understand it. holding the cards was one we saw clearly. that the ball is in his court. he has to make amends here. he seems to be stepping in the right direction and has canceled some of the things he is supposed to do and hopefully they get a plan together to recover their relationship and let's get on with signing the deal. trump is right. it is a strategic step in the right direction. zelenskyy probably seize it more as a financial thing and the united states trying to get payback and money. he is missing the whole point. >> martha: it is clear and you put it perfectly that president trump sees it as an economic prosperity solution for ukraine that puts them on a footing where they can start to mine the resources and get

people back to work and try to rebuild the country with the united states invested in the country as its own form of security guarantee. and as you say, and it reminds me of what we heard about the blowup that apparently happens between scott and zelenskyy when the deal was presented to him in the beginning. my country is not for sale. it feels like president zelenskyy is looking at this from a very different perspective. as you laid out perfectly, general, his country was invaded and destroyed. as vice president pens said. and there is a lot of pain there which i think everyone understands. let's pull up this image that we just got from the other side of the room here and we are told the woman you see with her hand at her head is the ambassador of ukraine as this is unfolding. and i imagine when zelenskyy got

into the back of the car he is thinking man, i just completely blue that. that was a big mistake. but i think he can be rectified and i think you are right. back in 2019 when the president walked out of a deal that they were working on with north korea, trump said sometimes you have to walk and i think that is a bit of what we saw today in terms of the deal structure and what he hopes will eventually end in a deal here. >> that possibility is there. even in the deal itself it talks about a secure ukraine going forward. economically viable and that is in the words of the mineral deal. and i know for a fact that president trump has plans that he is not stating publicly that

are going to help along those lines. he is neutral and trying to get a peace agreement but he clearly sees the benefit of a stable, secure ukraine and stopping russia in its tracks now so doesn't expand in to europe. particularly obviously in eastern europe. both of these presidents want the same thing. >> martha: absolutely. excuse me. how do you think putin sees this? i heard you talking about this this morning and the fact that putin says here's what we want. a smaller ukraine military. you can only have a military of such size and it will be smaller than it currently is and we want you to have new elections. this is putin's wish for ukraine. he would like to install his own puppet in ukraine as he once had a couple presidencies ago. how do you think putin views what played out in the oval office?

>> number 1, he is happy to see the friction and divide between the two presidents play out in public view. and if negotiations are going to go forward, he thinks he can likely take advantage of it. but there is a second message there and that is dealing with president trump. he doesn't put up with nonsense whatsoever and he will not stand for how he was being treated in the oval office. and it's less about him and what the office represents in terms of the american people, is where he's coming from. putin might miss red this a little bit. but you are absolutely right, martha. we had the second meeting that took place yesterday and what did putin put on the table in terms of negotiations? he wants more territory, the four provinces he's concerned about. he only occupies some of it but he wants all of it. that's what he put on the table. and he has those other things that you just talked about as conditions as well. those are hard-line conditions. i think the jury is still out in

terms of weather putin is truly serious about making a deal with the implication that if you have an agreement you will have to make some compromise. and president trump and his team back they want putin to give up territory. they are not saying that but that is what will go on in the negotiations. so hopefully this gets recovered. zelenskyy has to take the action to do that and if he apologizes to the president and the american people we can get on with signing this deal. because it is strategic and it is in ukraine's interest. obviously as well as the united states. and another thing here, we have got to appreciate once and for all, the president really wants to stop the killing. the human aspect of this thing is really important to him. and he always keeps coming back

to it. he understands the strategic and global implications, to be sure. but he also wants to stop the human suffering taking place. >> martha: he talked about that a lot on the campaign trail that it would be a priority and he wanted to end the war and is working on that and that is what we are watching, as rocky as it can be. sometimes that is the path to solutions. we hope that is what we see here. thank you so much general. always good to have you with us. general jack keane. >> great to talk to you. >> martha: marco rubio responding about what we just saw with this. thank you, president of the united states, for standing up for america in a way that no president has ever had the courage to do before. thank you for putting america first. america is with you. that is from the secretary of state. we will have more on the unprecedented oval office showdown we just watched. this is a history lesson in the making, folks. it was an extraordinary insight

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this play out. let's bring in edward lawrence. great to have you with us. explain a little bit about how i got to this point, edward. what was the feel in the room before all of this exploded? >> reporter: there was a nervous energy in the room when it started. it started as a normal oval office spray as we called at the white house. you could see as the questions went on, you could feel the divide and the mood change between president trump and president zelenskyy. when they started moving into the security question, one question that really change the mood in the room was when president trump was talking about the overall economic deal and how that would provide long-term security guarantees for ukraine. you could see president zelenskyy started to shake his head, no. president zelenskyy had a message for president trump later on when he was talking about he wants to see concrete security guarantees and would like to see more weapons, a

guarantee of more weapons, u.s. coming in to ukraine work but the security guarantees is where it shifted and changed and you felt the mood turn south very quickly. >> martha: it's interesting because there have been a lot of question throughout the week in the oval office meetings with the leaders of france and u.k. as well, edward, which you have been covering all along. but the question about the backstop. what is the backstop? president trump said several times the backstop is our economic presence on the ground. but zelenskyy doesn't like that answer. he's pushing for, as you say, more weapons and potentially boots on the ground. >> it's interesting. in the oval office the president said i spoke with french president emmanuel macron and u.k. and both said they would put troops on the ground when there is peace deal. but zelenskyy basically saying that's not a good enough backstop or security guarantee. he wanted more.

i was in kyiv with the treasury secretary when he presented this deal to zelenskyy and the secretary said they had a heated emotional exchange behind doors. and he relayed to president zelenskyy that it's the best option long-term security. and that's the message from the president today. long term. >> martha: interesting you bring that up. the knowledge that zelenskyy blew up at scott, who president trump at respects greatly and sent as an emissary. obviously he had that in his mind going into the meeting that he had blown up over the deal at the treasury secretary. >> reporter: and scott beasant was in the room as well. >> martha: important background. thank you edward. interesting down the job.

good to see you. former special representative for ukraine negotiations joins me with his reaction and what happens now? >> what are you saying? >> and she is asking what if russia breaks the cease-fire? >> what if anything? what if a bomb drops in your head right now?

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he should come back when he is,"ready for peace". reporting live from the north lawn, jackie. hi. >> reporter: just a few minutes ago i got off the phone with a ukrainian member of parliament and he confirmed that the minerals deal had been ratified yesterday by the cabinet. procedurally and needed to be signed by a minister, not actually by zelenskyy it. it needed to be signed by a minister and the plan was to have it signed with the president's present. i also talked to a u.s. official who clarified even though it had been ratified by the ukrainians, it is not valid in the u.s. view without zelenskyy's signature. we don't know if there's any attempt to bring it back on board before zelenskyy leaves the country. i'm told he's scheduled to go to london tomorrow and he has been hearing outreach from european leaders saying you still have our support. but within ukraine everyone knows this was just a disaster for the relationship that they

ukrainians need right now, martha. >> martha: thank you jackie very much. a great person to ask these questions to about the evolving relationship with europe and the united states over all of this. we bring in the former ambassador to nato and a distinguished foul -- fellow at the policy analysis. your reaction topline to what we saw today? >> a terrible, on forced air or by zelenskyy. trump was setting things up to go in a very predictable, useful direction. pushing on putin to get a cease-fire and having some reciprocity with ukraine so he can say to the american people, ukraine is pulling it share and paying us back it. deterrence forces prepared by the u.k. and france and european allies and better burden sharing. this was moving in the right direction and zelenskyy just needed to show up and signed the deal and keep working. and instead, by homing in on the

fact that we don't have hard security guarantees, embarrassed trump in the oval office and really blew up the entire meeting. very difficult in the immediate turn to see this put back on track even though it's in the interest of the united states and ukraine to get it back on track. >> martha: absolutely. what do you think the impact is? we all know and you end up reading in the coverage or hearing about it through the back doors what actually happens hind closed doors. but the american people and the rest of the world saw this today. what is the impact of public opinion politically on the alliances and what happens after this? >> in terms of public opinion in the united states you will have people think zelenskyy was rude and aggressive and he did not handle his presence in the oval office well. that will hurt the willingness

of the american people to try to help zelenskyy even though it's in our interest to do so. in the case of ukraine some will people say he stood up for ukraine but others will say he blew the opportunity. and he will have a hard time. in the case of the european allies they have been stepping up. they've been watching what trump is doing and trying to figure out how do we put together our role in all of this. and they are now facing a situation where it is unclear where they go. >> martha: ambassador kurt volker, thank you very much. a tabby with us today. >> thanks martha. >> martha: coming up, clay travis and patrick murphy on what happens next as we wait to learn what will happen next. more discussion of the deal tonight? will zelenskyy appear on special report this evening with bret baier? fascinating to see how we might use the opportunity to try to fix some of this. we will be right back.

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>> martha: vice president vance confronted zelenskyy over at tour he took out a pennsylvania munitions plant with key officials in biden's hometown in battleground pennsylvania. vance said you are campaigning with their opposition in october, a month before the election, suggesting that may be wasn't the wisest thing for him to do. >> have you said thank you wants? in this entire meeting have you said? >> every day. >> he went to pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in october offer some words for appreciation for the united states of america and the president trying to save your

country. >> martha: let's bring in our panel. out kick founder right patrick and u.s. army undersecretary. great to have both of you with us. clay, your thoughts on what we have watched play out today. >> i love that j.d. vance called out the zelenskyy visit with democrats it. he clearly wanted biden and kamala harris to win and campaigned on behalf of it. they tried to turn entire parts of the 2016 election in to russia collusion over around $100,000 in facebook ads. isn't zelenskyy and campaigning and being with democratic people far more interference than anything we saw with russia with facebook ads? .2, martha, ukraine can't win this war. and it's important for the

entire world and everyone in america to understand that. ukraine is not going to win this war. if we know ukraine is not going to win the war, why would we continue to spend tens of billions, hundreds of billions of dollars in american taxpayer funds for a war that ukraine can end? to mean we should go ahead and skip all of the negotiation claptrap and get right to the core result here which is we should have an immediate cease-fire. go ahead and start the negotiation over where the line is going to be drawn of or the ukraine russia border will be. stop letting hundreds of thousands of people die. and let's end the war in europe right now. i bet you could get russia to agree to a cease-fire. why can't we get ukraine to? they are in a stalemate. neither side is advancing the. trump is trying to limit death, which should be a good thing. and let's go ahead and get to the point right now. young men are dying on both

sides to no point. >> martha: very true. let's look at the territory russia has taken over. they went in while president biden was in office. very interesting to remember this from nbc. which was reporting, let's put p on the screen, reporting that biden had a similar exchange with zelenskyy. it says, look at the title. biden lost his temper with zelenskyy in june on a phone call when the ukrainian leader was asking for more aid. biden barely finished telling zelenskyy he had green-lighted another billion dollars of unit -- assistance when zelenskyy started listing the additional help he needed and wasn't getting. biden than lost his temper. the people familiar with the call said. the american people are being quite generous and his administration and the u.s. military were working hard to help. and it goes on to say than

president biden at the time raised his voice and zelenskyy could have shown a little more gratitude, he said, towards united states. so this is not the first time zelenskyy has pressured an american president, patrick. >> we have to remember, a week ago was the three year anniversary of russia illegally invading ukraine. there are 42 million people who are a free country and they invaded them. lost tens of thousands of their own people. martha, this isn't about a news clip or tv. this is life or death. david versus goliath. and you've had over 300,000 russians killed in ukraine, partially because america had ukraine's back with munitions it. that's where most of our aid has come from. $45 billion worth of munitions. and the u.k. came in with $100 billion. but you have to send a message

that nato, will not look the other way when you invade a second -- a smaller country. >> martha: but how long should i keep going on? they've had 20% of their country for most of the past three years. how much longer do we do this? >> i'm hoping for peace too. but has to be the right piece. it's not whatever you've got and you take it. those like myself who have seen war and lost my brothers it, i don't want to see another person dying for more. but what i don't want to see is let russia send a message to china that they can do the same thing to taiwan because america is will say we just want to cut a deal. we have to stand for something. if we don't stand for something we will fall for everything. >> my question. you asked a good question martha. what does he want us to be doing? do you want american boots on the ground? i don't. i have three sons. most americans don't want to send their sons to dine ukraine. to be give ukraine weapons to

hit russia to create a larger world war iii? or should we not have a cease-fire now where we've had a stalemate three years? russia should not have invaded ukraine. i wish it had not happened. it did. how do you solve the problem that exists now? biden allowed this to happen with his weakness. we have to solve the problem. end the death. >> martha: clay and patrick, thank you. president trump has made it clear what the solution is and its economic investment in ukraine that gives the united states a presence there. he believes aisle be a strong deterrent to russia. "the story" is just beginning. it's been a very eventful day. tune in this evening to see zelenskyy talked to bret baier about all of this. we will leave it there for now. have a good weekend.ba there isla a lot happening. we'll cane starts now. 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete

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