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>> will: live from the heartland this is the will cain show. while they at the white house. a day full of fiery exchanges. president trump and ukrainian president zelenskyy put on quite a show for the press. >> i'm not aligned with food and i'm not aligned with anybody i'm aligned with the united states of america and the world i'm aligned with the world and i want to get this thing over with. >> not in a good position you don't have the cards right now. with us to start having the cards. >> i'm the president. >> millions of people. gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with world war iii. i gave you the javelins to take out all of those tanks. obamagate a few sheets, in fact of the statement is obama gave sheets and trump gave javelins. you have to be more thankful because let me tell you you don't have the cards. with us to have the cards but

without as you don't have any cards. the problem is i have empowered you to be a tough guy and i don't think you would be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave but you are either going to make a deal or we are out. >> will: never played out openly like that on the world stage. shortly after those moments the upcoming press conference between president trump and president zelenskyy was canceled and then zelenskyy left the white house. from there president trump posted on to the social we had a very meaningful me to get the white house today, much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. amazing what comes through a motion. i have determined that president zelenskyy is not ready for a piece of america is involved because he feels our government gives him a big advantage in negotiations. i don't want advantage i want peace. he disrespected the united states of america and its cherished oval office. you can come back when he is

ready for peace. from there president zelenskyy posted his own message. he had this to state to the world about the way the events unfolded today and where he stands. he said i thank you, america, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. thank you potus, congress, and the american people. ukraine needs just and lasting peace we are working exactly for that. today here on the will cain show i brought in a panel of individuals all of whom i respect varying points of view to help you understand what take -- took place today and where it leads you now into the future. joining me now is former national security advisor the host of the way to show. tom bevan the founder of real clear politics and benjamin weingarten a senior contributor at the federalist. thank you all for being with me. kt, i have heard it said before that these types of things happen that they normally have been behind closed doors. not there for everybody in the world to witness. have you seen events like this before between your leaders?

>> i think with president trump and world leaders i have seen this and other events in the oval office with world leaders. one of the most significant exchanges in front of the cameras. you think about president trump its what he says in private is exactly what he says in public. no whispering can nicely in front of the cameras and then tough talk behind the cameras. i think what president trump was confronted with having just to build a zelenskyy else with an extraordinary guarantee of peace and prosperity for a generation and then somehow zelenskyy decided he was going to blackmail president trump in the oval office into giving ukraine some kind of a security guarantee or a military guarantee or missile defense system. in other words kind of a back door nato like membership and president trump rightfully called him out on it. not only for being ungrateful but for being completely unrealistic.

>> will: i would love to ask you this. as people internalize what they saw take place today it almost seems as though america, and perhaps the world broke into two camps. world-class chess player say america has diminished itself in the world's eyes. i so many others including yourself, benjamin, say today president trump and j.d. vance elevated themselves in the eyes of america. a reel divide are we listening to two leaders that are representing the ideas and their worldview of americans? or leaders across the world? >> not only are there president and vice president standing up and speaking loudly and clearly on behalf of the american people who are born, by the way of course, the drawdown of our stockpiles made of weapons. tens if not hundreds of billions of u.s. dollars.

risking nuclear war on behalf of ukraine and by the way tens of billions of dollars many of which have been unaccounted for. but there has been a total lack of gratitude on zelenskyy's behalf and we have to deal with things as they are not as we wish them to be. that kind of realism and recognition of what americans have sacrificed and the skin in the game that we have had has been ignored for far too long by people who have not put america's interest first to have not put on the table what our objectives, how are we going to achieve them, at what cost, is it reasonable. with the president wants to do is get to a resolution so we can take this off the table. and defense of america's national interest, by the way, and defense of the europeans you have to do more for themselves. as kt noted the steel on the table were not only help replay on the right company would prefer their skin in the game for america on ukraine's behalf. providing that was something of

a guarantee there. while on leasing and it -- unleashing energy and hopefully breaking pressure from china which is the bigger context to all of this. and the new soviet split, i believe, is with this administration wants to achieve. the rest of the world is missing the forest for the trees. >> will: an extraordinary moment. an extraordinary moment not just of clash of ideologies and geopolitics but clash of personalities. i would like all five of us together to watch this three-minute clip from the event today where we see essentially it all go wrong. watch. >> what kind of diplomacy, j.d., you are speaking about? what do you mean a? >> i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that will and the destruction of your country. mr. president, with respect, i think it is disrespectful for you to come to the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media. right now you guys are going around enforcing conscripts to the front lines because you have

manpower problems. you should be thanking the president for bringing an end to this conflict. >> ukraine you say what problems we have it. >> i have been to i have actually watched and seen the stories and i know that what happens is you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, mr. president, do you disagree you have had problems bringing people in your military? disrespectful to come to the oval office of the united states of america and attacked the administration that is prompted to prevent the destruction of your country. >> let's start from the beginning. first of all during the war everybody has problems. even you but you have nice ocean and don't feel now but you will feel that in the future. god bless you. >> don't tell us what we are going to fail. we are trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we are going to feel. >> i'm not telling you. >> you are in no position to dictate that. you are in no position to

dictate what we are going to feel. we are going to feel very good. very good very strong. not in a very good position. you have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position. >> from the very beginning of the war. >> not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now. with us you start having cards. >> i am the president. >> gambling with world war iii. gambling with world war iii. and what you were doing is very disrespectful to the country. this country. that is back to you. far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you so thank you once this entire meeting? in this entire meeting, you so thank you. you went to pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in october all for some words of appreciation from the united states of america and the president two is trying to save

your country. >> please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war. >> he is not speaking loudly. country is in big trouble. no know you have done a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. >> i know. >> you are not winning this. you have a good chance of coming out okay because of us. >> mr. president we are staying in our country staying strong from the very beginning -- very beginning of the war we did it alone and we are thankful. thanks in this cabinet. >> we gave you through the stupid president to $350 billion. we give you military equipment your men are brave but they had to use our military. if you didn't have our military equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment to this war would have been over in two weeks. >> will: i find this conversation absolutely fascinating as it devolves. i want to start where i think it is devolving.

it starts when j.d. gives an answer to a press member about the differences between the trump administration in the budget administration. j.d. vance is suggesting we walked on the path not of beating our chest but of diplomacy. and in that moment zelenskyy interrupts the vice president and says excuse me, j.d., what kind diplomacy or you talking about? from that moment we go haywire. what is a cilic -- zelenskyy suggesting in that moment to j.d.? >> i mean first of all i do think it is important to put this whole thing in context because it is being portrayed as this sort of oval office ambush. there were 40 minutes of conversation. the started out trump was very gracious and everybody was going a long very swimmingly until the point you mentioned. i think part of what j.d. vance, what angered him, was that zelenskyy, as he said, you did this in the oval office, he did this in front of the press. this is if you want to have these kind of conversations you have been behind closed doors, you don't go into the office of a country that you are basically

going to ask for help or insulting them and interrogating them as to what they think they are doing. stuck in j.d. vance's craw and then you saw in exchange that he got crosswise with trump and that is not a place you want to be. from then on it was just zelenskyy was in trouble and i think he has done a good to his cause of. >> it seems to me he is suggesting at that moment to j.d. vance is not talking about diplomacy but an zelenskyy's perception surrender and concessions to russia. and no guaranteed that it won't happen again. that seems to be what he wants to air in that moment which isn't appreciated by j.d. vance but then what is fascinating is when donald trump then gets upset. he gets upset when zelenskyy suggests you have this beautiful ocean. you may not feel it now but you will feel that in the future. trump says we won't feel it in the future who are you to

suggest we will feel it in the future? >> what we have here is a classic case of bad cop bad cop which is a reflect -- refreshing way of seeing zelenskyy dealt with. personally i think it started earlier back when zelenskyy walked in wearing that outfit. he looks like he is there to clean the floors. i think one thing we have to talk about is before meetings like this there were hundreds of conversations about what to expect and how you think is going to come in and what you want by the end of it. major illusions in his head about who he is dealing with. one thing within for sure is that zelenskyy zelenskyy is not going to de-escalate everything certainly not going to de-escalate a war with nuclear power. >> will: one more moment that i want to point out i appreciate what you said, tom, about people characterizing this as an ambush. how much of this was preconceived. i will go back to this on j.d.

did mention one moment in their you campaigned with the opposition. i don't think that reveals an ambush it does reveal there was not a lot of goodwill going into this conversation. there was already a tense relationship. >> trump put out his message about zelenskyy's tenure in office and we have seen reporting suggesting that zelenskyy sort of chided the treasury secretary when the negotiations over this where earth materials deal were taking place. so this obviously goes back a ways and it probably even goes back to some extent to trump impeachment number 1 which of course ukraine was front and center for that. i'm sure there is a whole slew of differences going back a ways and then when zelenskyy goes and tries to relitigate history and impart it says he is basically saying, you know, to the trump

administration, you guys don't understand the nature of putin and the history here. and to say that to this administration given how much america has committed an terms of weaponry and terms of goodwill in terms of dollars and the risk we have taken on. again, without a clear victory in sight for several years i just think that is why the rupture blew up. i think this was organic, quite frankly. to thomas' point it was a gordillo conversation. it seems like differences had been patched up going into this meeting. the fact of the matter is there was a total ingratitude shown with respect to america. to the presidents point ukraine would be destroyed war the u.s. not standing forth, rightly, alongside them. sent again for the europeans not defending themselves. to that point i think there is a notion of it is insulting to come to the oval office and find out these differences before the world to. >> will: there is so much more i want to get to.

kt, tom, wait, and ben are going to hang out with us throughout the program. we will be talking about reaction from world leaders. we also heard today from senator linsky -- lindsey graham, a big supporter of zelenskyy in the past and now saying he doesn't think that ukraine can go on with zelenskyy as a leader. now we go to the white house where it all unfolded. >> i got up the phone with ukraine member of parliament to by the way is not a member of zelenskyy's party he is part of the opposition party and he is very distressed over what happened. raised the concern among all ukrainians that putin right now is really relishing in this. as a sort of notable anecdote there was a member of the russian state media that actually snuck into the oval office today. they were pulled out as soon as it came to the attention of the white house wranglers. but they are watching this closely in russia. the ukrainians a very distressed

about that. the ukrainian member of parliament told me that this mineral steel that went off the rails did not get signed actually was ratified yesterday by the cabinet. so it could have gone forward. however, the white house is telling me without zelenskyy signature the u.s. is not going to accept this. right now it is unclear if there are any more overtures being made from zelenskyy to try to get these talks back on track. right at the first -- white house official told me before he left that ukrainians were begging to restart those talks and bring things back on track. but the president really strongly felt that he had been disrespected. so we will be monitoring for what the president says when he leaves for mar-a-lago we should see him in about 45 minutes as he heads to marine one. >> will: zelenskyy has canceled various meetings throughout the day including one where he was supposed to sit down and pelican institute. just to be clear, is he still

scheduled interview with bret baier in a matter of one hour 45 minutes on fox? >> yes, he is. that interview has not been canceled. >> will: we will be looking that at a special report with bret baier. we have so much more to dive into. followed from around the world, reaction from u.s. leaders, and reaction from senators to what went down in the oval office today between president zelenskyy and president donald trump. [coughing] copd is an ugly reality. do you have his medical history? i watch as his world just keeps getting smaller. but then, trelegy helped us see things a little differently. with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps airways open for a full 24 hours

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♪ ♪ >> for four years the united states of america we had a president to stood up at press conferences and talk tough about vladimir putin and then putin invaded ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. the path to peace and the path to prosperity is may be engaging

in diplomacy. what makes america a good country is america engaging in diplomacy that is what president trump is doing. >> occupied it parts big parts of ukraine parts of east and crimea he killed our people and he did not exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners but he did not do it. what kind of diplomacy, j.d., you are speaking about? what do you mean a? >> i'm talking about the kind diplomacy that will and the destruction of your country. mr. president, with respect i think it is disrespectful for you to come to the oval office and tried to the two get this in front of american media. right now you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front of the line because you have manpower problems. you should be thanking the president for bringing an end to this conquest. >> with ukraine you say what problems we have. >> i have actually watched and seen the stories and i know what happens is you bring people you

bring about a propaganda tour. come to the oval office of the united states of america and attacked the administration tried to prevent the destruction of your country. >> will: vice president j.d. vance along with president donald trump representing a stronger voice for america. we bring back in our panel we have k.t. mcfarland former national security advisor, benjamin weingartner, senior contributor to the federalist, the cofounder of real clear politics, wade stocks, the host of the weights talk show and now i am bringing as well in to the conversation joey jones, marine bomb technician retired as well as bill rosario, a senior fellow at the defense of democracies and army veteran as well. thank you are -- all for being here throughout the program. i have described this moment throughout the day as wild i think that its a pretty objective analysis and that appropriate adjective. i also said it went wrong. i think it is clear that it went

wrong if the goal today was to arrive at some sort of deal for both parties. but i don't think that precludes us about the sake maybe we are seeing this is a moment of strength and celebration into leader standing up for america. >> listen, j.d. vance today was the quintessential lance corporal of marines got made a squad leader. that's marine and watching can react that is exactly what i saw. not necessarily a bad thing. somebody treated marco rubio is trying to put him in a broom closet right now. a 40 minute discussion with press that blew up in the last 10 minutes because j.d. vance had heard enough. he had heard enough and when zelenskyy tried to press on the diplomacy, which is insane to me that he would do that in that moment, really i think zelenskyy maybe he just came into that press conference feeling empowered to try to put donald trump in a corner. but i think that we have heard you just don't do that. you certainly don't do that in

front of cameras because donald trump won't shy away. history will tell and when i say history the next few days probably with the end result of this is. i would love to see it not and this way not go this way but i'm not upset by it. i think president trump's responsibility to set a tone across the world. i'm not surprised by it. what i talked with donald trump would? no. i also want to build a skyscraper in the middle of manhattan or run for president. 77 million americans voted for him to be tough on issues that divide this country and to be decisive and consistent and i think that is what we saw today. i want to see this bill go through and i want to see the war an end i don't know it will happen today if that will get that done it. >> will: bella, i see you smiling along i'm curious for your opinion of this but it does appear j.d. vance donald trump when they take this talked with donald -- take this tack with

zelenskyy it appears they want to find peace they want to find the end of this war between russia and ukraine. they don't want to see it litigated through violence to some ultimate conclusion. what do you think? >> i think that is correct to the american public wants strong leadership. that is what they believe they voted for. look at, what happened today certainly was not pretty and president zelenskyy did no favor to his cause to the ukrainian people. it was an absolute mistake. is tone his body language, there i say his dresser. i mean put a suit onto go to the oval office. he reeked of disrespect. with that being said he was trying to litigate the history of this war. and he is not wrong on many of these points. but president trump and vp vance were trying to say we need to look forward and find a way for peace to get a cease-fire. zelenskyy continually sat there and you have to watch the entire 40 minutes prior to that 10

minute exchange to really understand this. he kept saying how it wouldn't happen how it couldn't happen. he ultimately was disrespectful. i hope there is a way for this to be put back on track. i don't want to see vladimir putin when this war. right now you can be certain in moscow the russians are celebrating. >> will: i don't know if this can be put back on track especially when you hear something like this. i want to get casey and tom in on this. i was stunned earlier today when i heard senator lindsey graham on with sandra smith just for some context, lindsey graham met with the zelenskyy this morning, took a sophie. i think we all know that for years has been a adamant defender of the zelenskyy and yet hear he was today on fox. >> i don't think that the president could have signed that deal given the way that he and j.d. in our country were treated. i don't know if you can put that back together repair the damage. i have worked hard to try to

help ukraine. to the ukrainian people america wants to help you the way the meeting went today you made it almost impossible to help you. >> will: kt, he went on to say he doesn't know if ukraine can go on with zelenskyy. >> what happened today is you saw what zelenskyy really thinks. that we can't trust vladimir putin on any agreement therefore we want to renegotiate an agreement and if we negotiate the agreement unless america brings its military forces and was on the ground you won't be able to enforce it. united states is definitely not going to do that. so as i'm looking at that and i spend a lot of time in the west wing of the white house i was looking to see where would zelenskyy walk out and there was about an hour after the press conference that zelenskyy was still in the west wing. only a couple of offices in the west wing that you can be in where you can have yourself and several other people.

it was national security advisor, vice president office, oval office on the roosevelt office. so zelenskyy stuck around for an hour and to talk to somebody. my guess at that point he was trying to get back on track back on track it is not getting back on track and less zelenskyy figures out some way to become hat in hand and to get donald trump to forgive him and to have the american people forgive him i don't think zelenskyy is the guy who is going to be able to bring anybody to peace. maybe he has to resign her. there is no way that with that kind of an attitude we can have any kind of peace agreement with the guy who wants to keep fighting. as president trump said, very rightly, if you don't want to steal then we walk away and i guess you keep fighting but it is the end of your country. >> will: i have a hard commercial break in about 10 seconds i want to get tom's reaction to lindsey graham and the reaction of other world leaders to what happened in the oval office as this panel remains with us. more in a moment on the will more in a moment on the will

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>> will: tonight at 6:00 p.m. eastern time on the fox news channel bret baier will interview the president of ukraine zelenskyy on special report. we heard from senator lindsey graham suggesting ukraine might not be able to go on with zelenskyy as its leader. back to our panel, k.t. mcfarland just suggested unless there is a full apology from a zelenskyy she is not sure how we will see any peace deal arrived between donald trump and zelenskyy. tom i suggested that i wanted to get your opinion on that as well. what you heard today was pretty remarkable not just in the oval office but from senator lindsey graham. >> it was actually i was a stunned as you are when trying to assess the political fallout of the stuff you look to allies and enemies and how they respond and clearly lindsey graham as he said he has been working his tail off on behalf or ukraine. he has been there eight or nine

times. he had met with zelenskyy earlier trying to prep them for this meeting, told him not to take the bait go in there and again for 40 minutes he had within his grasp to get this deal is done and the fact that lindsey graham now, one of his biggest supporters, thinks that zelenskyy either has to resign or they have to get somebody else because the relationship is so irreparably damaged that we can't do business with them anymore. the american people won't want to do business with zelenskyy i think that speaks volumes about what happened today. >> will: i want to acknowledge that the six of us together share some sense of what happened today and celebrated to some extent as a moment of american strength. but there are other opinions out there i want to acknowledge those opinions and get your reaction. first of all on the democratic side to senator chris murphy appeared today and he called what happened in embarrassment. watch. >> what we just witness between donald trump, j.d. vance, and

president zelenskyy inside the white house was an ambush. it was a planned ambush designed to and there was a president zelenskyy are to benefit vladimir putin. that was an embarrassment. that was an abomination. what you watched was american power being destroyed in the world as everybody watches president trump become a lapdog for a brutal dictator in bosco. >> will: let's go to the host of the way to show what do you think about what we heard from senator murphy? >> i think the biggest surprise for zelenskyy the biggest surprise for a lot of these people who are reacting on zelenskyy side is that he, talking to people that believe that america is a nation with particular national interest and those nations may or not be compatible with the particular dealer so each deal is going to be evaluated in light of that. so there could be a bigger contrast at this point between trump and biden. but it is true that america has

interests and it is good for the presidents to be at the top of the priority list. a change of pace for the american people. i think that we might be a little bit more excited about that change of pace than zelenskyy is. >> will: not just coming from the left. there are many on the right to see this is a real step back from the rural america has played from real security in europe. seeing many voices, republicans also concerned about what they heard today and then there is the leaders of europe and i want to share with you with the president of the e.u. commission put out today. she said the following when it comes to what she heard from the oval office. she said your dignity honors the bravery of ukrainian people, speaking to zelenskyy, be strong, be brave, be fearless, you are never alone, dear president. we continue working with you for a just and lasting peace. what do you think about this divide capture we? >> i guess do you want a supportive post on x or do you

want a partner in finding peace in those may not be the same two things. i saw plenty of european leaders that said they started with you -- stood with ukraine and we wrote the checks. that is what we did a lot of political collateral to support ukraine over the last four years on the leadership we had over the time did not get us anywhere. we had a leader in the united states of america and there's a new leader speaks, talks, and ask differently. i pushed back completely on anything that chris murphy or honestly lindsey graham when you are inside d.c. you see all these things through a very different lens and the people working every day seeing taxpayer dollars go to things they don't understand and they don't understand because people in d.c. work really hard to make it hard to understand. the best example of that is all of the example went to fighting the ukraine war that went back in to the military industrial complex it might be a good thing to reinvest. when you can even be honest with the american people with where

the money is going. on the price to replace the weapons that we made to replace the ones we sent a substantially higher because we had to create factories to build them again. of course we have questions and a lot of this content. j.d. vance probably shows that as much as anyone at. i think i agree with everybody here that putin is the bad guy and ukraine has been invaded but where is our responsibility to defend ukraine? i don't see him as part of nato. in fact most americans say i don't want to be part of nato. >> will: what happens next? where does this go from here? to see apologize can he continue negotiations with donald trump? >> you know i know president trump very well i never see him mad and for somehow for zelenskyy to get back in trump's good graces zelenskyy it's going to have to give up a lot. say you negotiated with the russians you get us whatever deal we can really happy to see

that mineral deal and we hope that gives us peace and prosperity for a generation. but i think zelenskyy is now he is now no longer a player in his own war to a certain extent. and i would not be at all surprised if there will be calls for an impeachment or for the ukrainian people to call for new elections. i don't see how donald trump and zelenskyy sit down and negotiation unless something really different happens. i think it is a good deal but it is not going to be with zelenskyy. >> will: to the style of what happened today i believe it was benjamin weingarten who told us that there is a reason that this all played out in public and the reason is based upon the past when it comes to conversations when it comes to donald trump and zelenskyy. in fact let's pick up on that after we take a quick break. does this go back to impeachment one? why this would have played out for the real world to see a? and more incredible sound from that meeting today in the oval office when we come back on the will cain show.

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biden because biden they didn't respect them they didn't respect obama. they respect to me. let me tell you, putin went through a lot with me. he went through a phony witch hunt where that used him and russia russia russia russia you ever hear of that dealer? that was a phony hunter biden joe biden scam and he had to put up with that. he was being accused of all of that stuff. all i can say is this. you might have broken deals with obama and bush and he might have broken them with biden he did. maybe he did. i don't know what happened. he did not break it with me. >> remarkable moment from the oval office. thank you guys for being with us you heard president trump bring up their russia russia russia. part of what was suggested, benjamin, but you and the program was there is a reason all of this played out for us in a public. and obviously there is a value of transparency.

but the other reason is that when there have been private conversations they have led to bad results for president trump. brenton picked up that note as well as she said the last time there was a private conversation between zelenskyy and president trump it led to impeachment number 1. she said this is a very good point. last time that they spoke he was impeached in a successful operation to handle see i enabled corruption. you mentioned that a little bit earlier there is a reason that this played out in public. >> there is a much broader history here about ukraine and senior democrat official including the quote, unquote, whistle-blower in the intelligence community who cast that message to the communication that led to impeachment number 1. getting to the part bottom of what biden stealing were in ukraine.

i think once zelenskyy went down this road of trying to get his version of the history i think trump and vance had just had enough. they wanted to put it on the table if you will lecture us about your view of things and why you think a deal can't be made with us in power then we are going to give it to you right back. and we will talk about some of the bad blood going back to the 2024 presidential election itself. and zelenskyy essentially siding with the opposition with kamala harris against the trump vance campaign. the point to make briefly is at the end of the day who the leader is who the commander in chief is matters more than the terms of any dealer. matters more than what is in the four corners of that dealer. trump made that very clear that putin would cross other president but not him and the proof was in the pudding. the first four years of donald trump. we did have peace through overwhelming strength that kept

she and check all the world's other adversaries as well. >> will: i mentioned there is criticism coming from the left and but there is also price. here is treasury secretary scott bessent he so thank you trump for standing up for the american people under nation on a global stage. tom bevan a real clear politics how does this resent our relationship with the leaders of europe? >> i don't know that it does. i mean we will see what happened i mean joint mentioned earlier we saw the reactions from folks in europe you know tweeting their support of ukraine that the reality on the ground is look if europe wanted to do a deal they would have done one of. the reality is it is up to america. nobody else will be able to get this done and it is basically up to president trump. he has taken on the task and

what you saw today in the oval office as he was saying look, security guarantees will get there eventually but we want to that before we get a cease-fire in place. and zelenskyy kept going at them. we want guarantees we want guarantees and that is what i think part of the restriction where it really went off the rails trump was telling him how the negotiations were going to go and he is leading those negotiations and zelenskyy would not let it drop. he was very close he could have done that complete that press conference and sign the dealer. >> will: kt i am down to one minute but that does seem to be what this was about to. reality trump said repeatedly to zelenskyy you don't have that cards. ukraine needs united states united states is not needed ukraine to. >> what president trump was talking about with vladimir putin ahead of the ukraine where he is looking beyond it. what kind of relationship you might be able to have with the russians could you split the

russians of the chinese? because the russian on the chinese together that is the real existential threat to the united states. >> will: so many different angles i want to go to this today. one of the most fascinating the moments we have seen in realpolitik, and geopolitics, and i don't know perhaps a decade because it was so transparent and raw and emotional so i'm glad to have five voices here today that i truly respect and joey, kt, wait, tom, and ben thank you so much for being with me for the past there were this all down to. more from the will cain show right after the break.

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essential question has been asked. the united states government and its representatives exist to please the leaders of france, the u.k., or the you? are we there to provide their security? while they abandon the values of western civilization? while they look on not with appreciation, but with condescension. or in the alternative, is the united states government there to serve the will of the american people? the american people want this war to end in ukraine and russia. they want to end their financial support from never ending warfare. and today, i believe, we saw that american point of view defended with strength. tonight at 6:00 p.m. on "the view" "special report," bret baier will be joined by the president of ukraine for volodymyr zelenskyy. maybe you will hear the necessary apology. we get to the heart of the matter from the heart of america. ♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone, i'm