asked. the united states government and its representatives exist to please the leaders of france, the u.k., or the you? are we there to provide their security? while they abandon the values of western civilization? while they look on not with appreciation, but with condescension. or in the alternative, is the united states government there to serve the will of the american people? the american people want this war to end in ukraine and russia. they want to end their financial support from never ending warfare. and today, i believe, we saw that american point of view defended with strength. tonight at 6:00 p.m. on "the view" "special report," bret baier will be joined by the president of ukraine for volodymyr zelenskyy. maybe you will hear the necessary apology. we get to the heart of the matter from the heart of america. ♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone, i'm

sandra smith a lot of emily compagno, jessica tarlov jessica tarlov, jesse watters, and charlie hurt. it is 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ fox news alert now, president trump is on his way to florida and he may stop and talk to reporters after one of the most breathtaking moments in oval office history. donald trump and j.d. vance getting an epic shouting match with ukraine president-elect gives they tried to hash out a minerals deal for a peace deal with russia. >> respectful to come to the oval office of the united states of america and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country? >> don't tell us what we are going to feel. >> i'm not telling you -- >> because you are in no position to dictate that. you are in no position to dictate what we are going to feel. we are going to feel very good.

>> you will feel influenced. >> very strong. you don't have the cards right now peered with us you start having cards. >> i'm not playing cards. >> you think you are gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with world war iii. and what you are doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country. >> have you said thank you once -- >> many times. >> you went to pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in october. offer some words of appreciation for the united states of america and the president who is trying to save your country. >> your country is in big trouble. no, no, you have done a lot of talking. then you tell us i don't want a cease-fire, i don't want a cease-fire, i want to go. you can get a cease-fire right now, you would take it so the bullet stopped flying and your men stop getting killed. >> of course we want to stop the

war. >> you don't want a cease-fire? >> that wasn't with me. that was with a guy named biden, who was not a smart person. that was with obama. excuse me, that was with obama, who gave you sheets, and i gave you javelins. the problem is i have empowered you to be a tough guy. and i don't think you'd be a tough guy without the united states. your people are very brave. you're either going to make a deal, or we are out. and if we are out, you will fight it out. i don't think it is going to be pretty, but you will fight it out. but you don't have the cards. once we signed the deal, you are in a much better position. but you are not acting at all thankful, and that is not a nice thing. i'll be honest, that is not a nice thing. all right, i think we've seen enough, what do you think? this is going to be great

television, i will say that. >> sandra: and indeed it was, president trump kicking zelenskyy out of the white house shortly after that, canceling their joint press conference, no rare minerals deal was signed and the white house staffers, well, they ate the lunch that trump and zelenskyy were supposed to dine on. president trump posting on truth social, "it is amazing what comes out through emotion, and i have determined that president zelenskyy is not ready for peace if america is involved because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. i don't want advantage. i want peace. he disrespected the united states of america in its cherished oval office. he can come back when he is ready for peace." and zelenskyy will be talking to bret baier at 6:00 p.m. eastern time tonight, just less than one hour from now. jesse, this feels like one of those moments in history where we will all remember exactly where we were when we watched

that go down. now i'll ask you the question we are left wondering: will they get to a deal? >> jesse: hopefully. it's kind of like when you want to propose so you go to the girlfriends dad. you go to his house. can i have your blessing? and he goes, well, do you have any money for a ring? nope. do you have a job? nope. do you have a house? nope. and then you start arguing with the dad and he kicks you out of the house and you go back to the girlfriend, how did it go? not good. it did not go very well. zelenskyy screwed up. 30 minutes before this happened, everything was fine. everyone was getting along fine. and then a reporter asked trump about aligning with russia. trump says i am just aligned with america, i'm aligned with the world. and then vance jumps in, and says, well, you know, you can talk tough and beat your chest, but that's not going to help us with diplomacy.

and then zelenskyy, out of nowhere, zeros in on vance, and he says, you don't know anything about diplomacy. what do you know about diplomacy? you can't negotiate with putin, he can't be trusted, he relates cease-fire's. well, then what are we all doing here? why did he fly all the way here to sign this mineral deal if you can't negotiate with vladimir putin? what's the whole point of this? we are not going to give zelenskyy a security pact. it's not in america's interest to have to defend that country with american soldiers if russia goes back in. the mineral deal is the best security that zelenskyy's ever going to get. and if he didn't like the language of the deal, stay in kyiv. hash it out for another week, and then fly here. don't fly here and get all emotional. we run the world. this is america's world. he's our proxy. this world, this ends when we

say it ends. it doesn't end when zelenskyy -- if he wants to go it alone, go it alone. i'm glad we helped them. russia invaded, we got his back. at first it was the right thing to do. but now it's not. now the war is over and he doesn't recognize it's over, and reality is going to eat this guy alive if he doesn't recognize this. if you were in the room when roosevelt was telling churchill to liquidate his colonies, i don't think it was all tea and crumpets, or if you were bush yelling when al qaeda was in pakistan, no! or bibi getting his year chewed out by joe biden. this stuff happened all of the time, behind the scenes. we were just lucky enough to have that happen right in front of the cameras. >> sandra: it was fascinating -- thank you for that, jesse. emily, when we were getting live reports from the white house while zelenskyy and trump had finished this meeting, and we were waiting to see what happened next.

jacqui heinrich stepped up to the camera to give us a report, said she had learned that zelenskyy was begging to stay but got kicked out, and shortly thereafter, we saw exactly that. we saw zelenskyy very quickly after this concluded exiting the white house. along with his staff. >> emily: exactly, into that point, there was a gap in time that was longer in reality than we saw on television because we had to ingest that footage, it wasn't live, so there was sort of a significant moment in between what we saw and zelenskyy exiting the white house that i think portends the future of this relationship between those two, which is the need for an apology and an acknowledgment of the role the united states is playing. now i think what we saw was someone who has, for many years, bear the brunt, obviously, putin's aggression and his exhaustion and his wits' end and his rage was showing. but for him to ascribe on the current administration's shoulders the utter failures and the invertebrate approach of prior administrations was so

wrong and the most wrong tactic was in vice president vance's words litigating it in front of the american media. that was not the time or place to have that outburst, and i think all it did was underscore for everyone watching, for the millions watching, how deeply fragile and important diplomacy is and that it doesn't always look tidy. and for president trump to sit there and for them to entertain that question, that pushback on what do you know about diplomacy? there was a new sheriff in town. so i know that your experience with putin has been -- let us tell us what our experience has been. for that to all be played out in front of the american people live and for president zelenskyy to have frankly his sort of mercurial behavior always played out, always harnessing the american public's sentiment by way of the harnessing of american media, it's totally inappropriate, in the oval office of the presidency of someone that you are trying to have on your side. and recall the u.k. defense secretary who says america needs to have that -- we believe in

upping the spending but we stile backstop peered we don't have to be, actually, and economics is indeed the backstop that we are going to commit to, so here what happens moving forward is that america needs to stay strong because we are signaling to putin and china exactly what happens if you come on our turf and disrespect us. >> sandra: jessica, a lot will be set about the public nature of this, these fire exchanges happening in the oval office. with the many guests we had immediately following the breaking news, there were some who seriously embraced it, and some who thought it's not a good look, to have this happen on the global stage in such a public way. where are you? >> jessica: i think -- i could see both sides, i guess, of the public face of it. i think jesse's right that usually this is hashed out in private, but this is a president who loves doing things in public, and he is a tv guy, and he made for great tv there. and we are going to talk more in the b block about the various reactions to it and how much

this ultimately benefits putin and how he was so excited to see this interaction, and i'm sure that is the case. but the idea that zelenskyy, whose people have fought bravely for three years against a... authoritarian adversary that invaded, that has taken an advantage, at every single turn has been nothing but a patriot, said even just last weekend that he would resign if it meant they could get into nato, right, after the accusation from president trump, j.d. vance, et cetera, that he was the one who is a dictator, that he was the one, it was ukraine's fault that all of this happened, when we all know, or anyone who is being honest, that it was definitely putin's fault. and jesse's right, the moment where zelenskyy gets animated is when j.d. vance asks him to just take it, to just sit there and go along with the idea that

vladimir putin wasn't the aggressor in this or the idea that vladimir putin is a diplomatic partner. vladimir putin is not a diplomatic partner for anybody. so you had a patriotic world leader defending his people and defending the thousands of lives, tens of thousands of lives, that have been lost in all of this -- >> jesse: stalin, mao, sometimes you have to do meetings with bad guys. >> jessica: america in life has done some deals with some bad guys. but that is not was going on here. donald trump revealed himself -- i thought the most shocking part was that trump goes on to say, putin went through a hell of a lot with me, he went through a phony witch hunt. and people have been saying since the beginning since donald trump came on the world stage that he is aligned with putin. we saw in helsinki in 2018 when he stood up and sided with putin over the intelligence agencies, putin told me he didn't do it, he told me he didn't metal in the election. and then are you come to bow with an american president saying putin went through a hell of a lot with me? are they buddies? >> jesse: i went through a

hell of a lot with you, jessica, with the russian -- [laughter] >> jessica: making a joke of it means i made a valid point, just for the viewers at home. >> jesse: no, it doesn't peered. >> jessica: yeah. >> sandra: charlie? >> charlie: you know, obviously the whole thing was pretty amazing. it was great tea. it was shocking, never seen anything like it. one reason was so shocking and so amazing because it's the first time we've ever seen an american president stand up and deal with the situation in ukraine completely from an american perspective. standing up for american interests. american taxpayers' interests. americans 'strategic interests. and we have never seen it so it was kind of shocking. probably the most shocked person was zelenskyy himself, he couldn't believe it, he had never dealt with an american official who cared primarily first and foremost about americans and american interests, and so he was completely blown off, and i think that one of the things that is kind of interesting about -- and obviously, exactly

right, the moment that set him off, that set trump off was when zelenskyy dialed in to j.d. vance -- which by the way is a very weak move, you go for the vice president? >> jessica: but he is the one who set it to him. >> charlie: okay, but that is what you start your fight with. and then, and this is a thing, trump knows a lot of people who are not good dealmakers. he can deal with them. he can work with them. the idea that you would have a guy who is not only not a good dealmaker, he has no idea how the cards he has when he walks into this room. he has no idea how few options -- zero options he has -- and he walks in here and he is arrogant and he is pushy and he is demanding and, you know, you pile all of that outcome and you are going to piss off trump and what we saw was a pissed off trump. you have this person who is milking the american taxpayers

for hundreds of billions of dollars, and most americans can't really tell you what our interest is over there. >> jessica: can i just add to that about the money at all of this? obviously we have given them a ton of money but 70% of the aid we have sent to ukraine has then been spent back in america so when he "went and campaigned for the democrats," he was visiting a munitions factory that was producing weapons they could then use, and europe has been, as a share of gb, gdp, almost doubling our investment. >> charlie: i'm not an economist but the idea that you are going to take hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars and light them on fire in europe -- >> jessica: light -- they are not being lit on fire. >> sandra: the next block, we have more on this coming up. president trump right now is talking to reporters. it's happening as we speak, after his dustup with zelenskyy, so we are going to have that for you next. ♪ ♪ you might know harbor freight for affordability. you might not know performance and durability

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♪ ♪ >> charlie: we have a fox news alert. president trump speaking to reporters right now, saying zelenskyy overplayed his hand and the ukrainian president wants to fight, fight, fight. we will bring you that video when we have it. meanwhile, the media had a field day today. watch this. >> never in the history of modern diplomacy, war, peace, whatever, have i ever, ever, ever seen anything like it. >> this was a tragedy. this doesn't make the american people better off tomorrow. >> this is a catastrophe. >> the president of the united states is a coward who is vladimir putin's puppet. >> it seemed as though, you

know, vladimir putin's work was being done for him. >> trump become a lapdog for a brutal dictator in moscow. >> the propaganda is what is coming out of j.d. vance's mouth, and it is russian propaganda. >> which side of this war is donald trump on? >> putin and his cronies are probably popping champagne bottles right now. >> charlie: so, sandra, you know, it is kind of odd considering what we have been through the last couple of years, but given what we saw today, do you think it is the best strategy for democrats to go back to the playbook of old trump is a putin stooge. >> sandra: i don't get will work and the fact the american public was able to see every bit of this happening in the oval office, they will be able to decide for themselves and it will behoove the press to cover this fairly and from all sides. just looking at what we are hearing from president trump as he is departing, and remember we will hear from zelenskyy a short time from now in that sit down with bret, it sounds like trump

is making sure that his intentions are known. some of what we are hearing is what you would expect. we are looking for peace, not a 10-year war. he says zelenskyy wants to fight, fight, fight. i think that's what people saw him doing in the oval office. trump says the u.s. is not looking to play games. clearly when you see that exchange with the president of the united states, he sat down for a deal. he did not come to play games. so the fact that this so publicly played out on the global stage, there are going to be strong opinions on what this means for world leaders, to have seen this play out, but certainly for the american public to see this play out and then see the reaction from the media, what if this meeting had taken place in simply a statement came out and we learned that zelinski got kicked out. you can only imagine the speculation but people saw exact they were happened there and they can decide for themselves. >> charlie: i think the diplomatic words are frank, they had a frank discussion, that is

all we would have gotten out of it. jesse, one thing i love about this is before hand team met with a number of measures of congress. what you think the phone calls were like when they walked out, so how did i do? >> jesse: he used to have to get prepped by biden officials before getting on the phone with joe. because he would get on the phone with joe and make endless demands and never say thank you. and it drove joe crazy. and the same thing is happening here. i have a lot of respect for zelenskyy. he is a great guy. his people are brave. but he's gonna leverage anymore. the only leverage he has our minerals, and he doesn't even know how to use that leverage. he will never be a nato member. it is not in our interest to be a nato member. and the fact that he was arguing with the president of the united states and the vice president in front of cameras in the oval office showed so much disrespect, and he's like a freshman out there, when you think about it. he doesn't really know what is happening. this were just hit him in the

face and he is trying to survive. the things that democrat are staying, putin puppet, these things are just slogans. what is the democrat strategy to win the war? or end the war? they don't have one. because the democrat strategy is to make this an endless proxy war. that goes on forever. and unwinnable proxy war, world war i, trench warfare style, where the russians gain a half a mile a week, and they just run out of ammunition. that's unsustainable. what is the national interest infighting and unwinnable endless proxy war, which is the democrat strategy? no one has ever explained it. i can see the u.s. interest in ending the war. we get mineral rights. energy and commodity prices go down. we could maybe add to our munitions, which have been spent over the last three years. you peel russia away from china it little bit. i could go on and on.

but sometimes, as you all know, you have to break up to makeup. and these things happen, deals get blown up and they get cobbled back together, i'm sure next week they will sign something. >> charlie: jesse has a point, what is the democrat strategy for just ending the war? >> jessica: well, you've heard from a lot more democrats recently that they understand that there could be some concessions, that we are not going to get back to the pre-2014 lines. even zelenskyy has talked about him understanding that that might happen, and again, i repeat that he said i will step down, being the leader of this country, 57% approval rating, people are pretty fond of him. we know that wartime presidents don't have elections. just putting it out there. he said i will do what i can to make a peace deal. but what they are signaling in this and what zelenskyy is signaling with his attitude is something that the leader of the cdu, won the german elections, who will become the next chancellor was talking about, europe is on its own with

ukraine now, that they do not feel they have a partner in the u.s. who is going to be protecting and supporting ukraine. order them going forward. and that donald trump has aligned himself, we are with vladimir putin, then with the traditional western world or order. that the alliances in the post-world war ii world are over, and that he likes latimer put in better. i don't know -- i understand you want to make a deal -- and by the way, this deal didn't seem like it had a lot for the ukrainians, what he wants is security. >> jesse: germany is russia's biggest customer, all they do is buy energy from russia, and they did not give a lot of weaponry to the ukraine's. not nearly as much as we did, the germans that this one out, same with the french, the british and the americans did have a lifting. >> jessica: as a percentage of gdp, we rank 17th in terms of how much we have given them. >> jesse: percentage -- >> jessica: of course it's a lot of money. >> jesse: we are richer, it doesn't matter. we armed them to the teeth and they did a hell of a job

stopping the russia war machine, but now it is time to end the war. >> jessica: it is not just democrats that are critical of this. noted democrat karl rove was on earlier talking about it. john bolton, i get he doesn't like trump anymore, but this guy is a traditional, conservative person, who is saying that this is a huge nightmare -- >> jesse: kick them out. lindsey graham, we all know, never saw a war he didn't want to fight, said said zelenskyy get out of town, you screwed the pooch. >> charlie: the problem here is, this idea that somehow trump likes putin more than zelenskyy is absurd to me. the idea of this minerals deal hooks the united states deeply into the interests of ukraine. emily? in terms of the democrat strategy, for messaging this, are they winning, are they losing? >> emily: i personally think they are not winning and that they never are. i will say this.

the end of the day, what we are looking at his peace through strength. earlier in the meeting president trump said he is continuing to send arms, but as he quoted, he said but not too much more aid would be forthcoming. we are not looking forward to it, we're looking forward to getting the war finished so we can do other things. people like christiane amanpour who says she has never seen anything like this, it's because she has never had the honor of being in the room behind closed doors without the press there when this is what diplomacy looks like. taking out root canals and coming to agreements with different alignments and different values is not always pretty, and that is confirmed by secretary pompeo who early on our network share he has seen this all the time, just never seen it before in front of the cameras, and for pundits who come on air and say they called president trump a coward and a puppet, well, is that what biden was in october of 2022, who on his call with zelenskyy, as "the wall street journal" and cnn reported, yelled at him, told him he wasn't thanking him enough, he didn't feel gratitude, he was civilly wanted to take more, is that what they

called biden back then? at the end of the day what we are seeing is a second term president, president trump, who is in "the art of the deal" negotiating what that looks like which is not a world war ii access-ally nations, it is far more complicated than that. and it involves acquiescing, in part, to achieve mutually beneficial agreements, that means we don't simply ice out russia and china's because obviously that is not doable anymore. the embeddedness of all of these countries, economically, intellectually, so many different ways, you cannot simply excise a tumor and think it's the end of the day, so my opinion for those in the democrat party who are crowing about what do they want a long-term, endless war? to we want another afghanistan? we left our blood and treasure on the field. there are still french cranes in iraq. for me, this is the goal for peace. this is the objective and the end result of peace. as president trump said, i don't want an advantage, i want peace, and i wish the democrat party would listen to our commander in chief and know that this is what that looks like peered.

>> charlie: it is truly extraordinary to think about a recent advancement putin has made has been made under democrat leadership, and now they are accusing trump of being in bed with trump. okay, at any moment will have brand-new video president trump talking to reporters on his blow up with zelenskyy. but coming up, the d.o.g.e. captain speaks. elon musk tells all to joe rogan. ♪ ♪

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$500 billion. we have many other companies have just announced they are coming in. a lot of it is because of how we are doing. we've got a great turnaround in a little more than 30 days, but the country is really doing well, really doing well. we are respected again all over the world. we have the japanese prime minister. we had the prime minister yesterday of u.k., as you know. if the minister of india. we have another, plenty of prime ministers and presidents wanting to come. very good. i think our country is really turned around peered we had a meeting, you know, today with president-elect's key and i would say it didn't work out exactly great from his standpoint. i thank you very much overplayed his hand. we are looking for peace, we are not looking for somebody that is going to sign up a strong power and then not make peace because they feel emboldened and that is what i saw happening, i'm looking for peace, we are not looking to go into a 10-year

war. and play games. we want peace. and it was just my impression that if we do that, if we sign up, he is looking for something that i am not looking for. he is looking to go on and fight, fight, fight. we are looking to end the death. 2,000 people died this week. soldiers. more than that. but 2,000 approximately people died this week. young ukrainians and russians. and somebody would say why do you care about ukraine and russian soldiers? i care about them. i care about everybody. and we are not doing that. now if we don't do anything, he is going to have to make peace, but he's dealing with a very weak set of cards. if we sign, he is dealing with a very strong set of cards, and he doesn't want to make peace. that is where we are. it's very simple. i'm not looking to get into anything protracted. i want immediate peace. president putin is going to want to make, and he wants to make,

he wants to end it. you saw what i saw today. this is a man that wants to get us signed up and keep fighting. and we are not doing that. not for this country. so we are setting a lot of records. economically we are setting records. i think every way we are second records. one of the best is the right track, wrong track, you saw that, we are on the right track for the first time in over 27 years. people are impressed with that. the other thing is the feeling about our country. the feeling is great. it is up 48% toward feeling and business. that is the record we never had -- we have never had a record where we have gone up that much in such a short period of time. so we are doing really well. and i guess some of you are coming with us, and if you are, i hope you have a good flight.

[overlapping questions] what? >> reporter: in. [indistinct question] >> president trump: he has to say i want to make peace. putin this, putin that, he's got to say i want to make peace. i don't want to fight a war any longer. people are dying. he doesn't have a cards, just so you understand. [overlapping questions] >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: i don't have to tell you that. go ahead. i think you know the answer. [overlapping questions] >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: i don't trust or just trust anybody, i just want to get a deal done and if it does, good peered but you can't embolden somebody that does not have a cards and all of a sudden that person says, now i can keep fighting. we are not going to keep fighting. you are going to get the work done or let them go and see what

happens, let them fight it out. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: i want anyone capable of making peace. if he is capable of making peace which he may or may not be but i want somebody that is going to make peace. again he doesn't have a cards. when we sign up, he's got all of the cards. that doesn't mean he can fight. he's got to stop the fighting, stop the death. he's losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers. it is time to stop the death. [overlapping questions] >> reporter: [indistinct quest ion] >> president trump: well he says he wants -- he wants to come back right now, but i can do that. [overlapping questions] >> president trump: they should have an immediate cease-fire. that was the other thing, he didn't want to do a cease-fire, a cease-fire could take place immediately. a contract if you want to end

the war, you sign-up an agreement, it is went to take a period of time, it takes time, i wanted to end immediately, and i think if you had a cease-fire, it would be a cease-fire, a real one, that would end it. he doesn't want to do that, that's fine. i want it to end immediately. i want a cease-fire now. he said oh, i don't want a cease-fire. all of a sudden he is a big shot because he has the u.s. on his side. either we are going to end it or let him fight it out, and if he fights it out, it's not going to be pretty, because without us, he doesn't win. [overlapping questions] it doesn't matter, i'm just telling you peered you saw what i saw today. that was not a man who wanted to make peace. and i only address it if he wants to end the bloodshed. thank you. >> sandra: he was wheels up moments later, but jesse, very

much giving us his thoughts on that meeting today, saying that zelenskyy he believes very much overplayed his hand. he just wants to fight, fight, fight, we want to end the death, said the president. >> jesse: i like how we start off with that you hear apple is investing half a trillion? oh, you want to talk about zelenskyy? but first, it's half a trillion, guys. you know, i think there has been some confusion around the table about where everybody stands here. europeans want to settle this. the americans want to settle this. the russians were just at the negotiating table with the americans in saudi arabia. zelenskyy has said he wants to stop this. so there is no disagreement around everybody around the table that this war has to stop. it's just about the terms of the deal. i was shocked to hear that zelenskyy didn't even want a cease-fire. this is a guy who cannot read the room.

that man is not joe biden. that's president donald trump. we are not going to fight this endless war. it's over. we are going to negotiate a peace, and if you don't want to negotiate it the way the americans want to negotiate, that is on you. can you imagine flying home to ukraine, expecting to have a peace deal signed or a mineral deal, and you've got nothing to show for this? and you kind of been humiliated? this is not statesmanship. they are losing already 100,000 soldiers. the russians have lost 150,000 because it doesn't matter because russian can lose 100s of thousands, they will throw bodies at it forever it doesn't matter. this has to end for the good of the countries in europe and for the good of this country because i am sick of this war. >> sandra: trump said zelenskyy wants to come back right now, perhaps we will hear from zelenskyy when he talks to bret a short time from now. >> charlie: i have been so eager all day to watch this

interview at 6:00 today, anyway, and now it is on steroids. i am very eager, even more eager. exactly. no, i think it's really amazing, just listening to trump right there talk about how you can't embolden somebody who does not have the cards. and that really is sort of the perfect description of not only this war, but kind of american governments involvement in a lot of thing. the american government is in the business of emboldening people to do things that they couldn't otherwise do. because it's like part of this whole forced charity thing that we do, and by the way, this is not the first cease-fire deal that zelenskyy has come close to. there were discussions during the biden administration with zelenskyy but he is sitting there at the table and meanwhile you've gotdreds of millions of dollars coming from the united states, emboldening him to pretend like he has a better hand than he does. does that clear the effort for

him to sit down and try to strike a deal? i don't know, but that would be a pretty big incentive not to reach a deal, and donald trump is the first guy to come along who seems to recognize that and realizes that actually, you know what, we are not a blank check book anymore. we believe in democracy, which i'm still sort of up in the air, zelenskyy is still president because -- under martial law because he suspended elections which is kind of not really very democratic. he may be popular according to some polls, but that is not the same as an election. trump is the first person to come along and recognize that as long as you are bankrolling half of this effort to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars with other people's tax dollars, you are probably not going to get an honest settlement. >> sandra: quickly, jessica, president trump just said they can reach a peace deal immediately. >> jessica: yeah. >> sandra: does zelenskyy want

that to happen? >> jessica: of course he wants a peace deal to happen. it's just not the peace deal that is on the russians terms, which is what he feels like is being put forward, and jesse says everyone wants the same thing, they went to saudi to talk about it, why did they not invite zelenskyy to come sit down with them? if you're trying to hash out a deal, if you are trying to have a great press conference like they did here, don't you invite the guy -- you think it's going to really -- that's my favorite peered don't treat him like a little girl and say he's highly emotional. yes, it is sexist. >> charlie: you, not me, i was just saying -- >> jessica: somebody says to you -- and this relates back to the comment about a cease-fire deal -- j.d. vance citing it, saying a partner, cease-fire, zelenskyy reminds him up past history, bottom or is the one who has violated the deals, we talk about all the time with gaza and hamas, they violate the

cease-fire deal. >> jesse: that's what trump said. he is not going to violate them under my presidency. and, jessica, how do you force them not to violate? do you put american soldiers there? to bring them into nato? no and no. that's the point of the mineral deal. >> emily: i think the reality is any peace deal between any of these warring countries is not going to be unilateral and there is going to be an entity, both of whom which will be disappointed because you cannoty completely. that would be unacceptable to the other side. and i point out that as president trump said he is entertaining 20 plus prime ministers and presidents and everyone is calling him and note that right now as rwandan-backed armed forces have invaded congo, and the president of the democratic republic of congo is saying hey, america, please join in one of our -- by the way, one of the wealthiest natural resource countries in the world says please, take a share of our minerals, join on in, dominated by china, what is my point, a, i don't he repeat from democrats about that issue, that terrible

humanitarian crisis. isn't africa just as important as europe? secondly, what i don't hear because it is always siloed thinking and amnesiac thinking, is the ramifications of this is very important, as are those in the congo. so with president trump having a larger, broader view, and saying this is important for what it means to putin, it is important for what it demonstrates to china, israel, hamas, everything, all of this is interconnected. the peace through strength and the focus on the completion of the deal, as he says, to finalize ending the bloodshed is what is important peered. >> sandra: all right, get ready for it, guys. coming up, the d.o.g.e. captain speaks. elon musk goes on joe rogan all she talks about since we saved hundreds by bundling our home and auto insurance. baby: liberty! biberty: hey kid, it's pronounced "biberty." baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: biberty! baby: liberty! biberty: bi-be-rty! baby: biberty! biberty: and now she's mocking me. very mature. mom: hey, that's enough you two! biberty: hey, i'm not the one acting like a total baby.

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about what elon musk has said recently. one is that the whole thing, i'm just tech-support. he really is just tech support, trying to explain everything is a people actually see what the size of this leviathan is an were all of the rats are, i just love that. second thing i love that he talks about is if elected officials can't get a hold of this thing, then you no longer live in a democracy, you live in a bureaucracy. and it just goes to understand that this guy understands the predicament we are in, and our government, better than like anybody that's like in congress right now. >> jesse: and we are learning what he is doing in real-time, which is different than we usually see in government. >> sandra: and i think he is saying a lot of things out loud that a lot of people haven't had the nerve to say, things that need to be done, and i think he is doing it really easy to understand style, which is why the american people are on board with d.o.g.e. and tearing it on. >> jesse: jessica, how enamored are you of elon? >> jessica: i can't take it, never been so attracted to someone. i just want to break up and make up and do it all.

listen. yeah, sure, this idea of cutting waste, fraud, and abuse, it's very popular. they did it in the 1990s, like civilized human beings, not like what's going on here. the american public is seeing seems like a fire usaid worker who was given 15 minutes to clear out his desk today and he is standing outside the building that he worked in and they said they wouldn't even let him go and take a picture of his wife who was a foreign service officer who was killed on the memorial wall. he wouldn't let them go back to take the picture. that's with going on. you have judges saying they don't have any authority whatsoever under any statute in the history of the universe to hire and fire employees at another agency. so you are hearing stuff like that, too. but sexy beast, get it peered. >> emily: respectfully to the civilized nature of the past, i saw as an attorney to anyway stuart tax dollars was thrown back in my face as everyone was reinstated, reinstalled, and put back. so when we talk about accountability, come for my salary, rightly so, as we account for our dollars, for

example, to the irs, rightly so, why can't we demand the same in reverse? our tax dollars pay the salaries of these individuals, who i'm not quite sure why the specificity required by employees, by employers, cannot be in reverse. why the outrage against auditing and against ensuring that people are actually earning the salaries that we pay, just because it has been doesn't mean that it should be moving forward. and i personally feel that this entire dismantling was the only way to do it because i tried for so long, so hard, to empty out the ocean with a bucket, but i saw it did nothing, so there is nothing in the past that came close to the efficacy that we are seeing now peered. >> jesse: you don't need a bucket, you just need a cha chainsaw. "one more thing" is up next. ♪ ♪ total beets, america's best-selling beets brand,

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>> before we get to one more thing be sure to tune in to "special report." zelenskyy is set to be interviewed by bret baier after

that huge blow up with president trump. stay tuned for that first up, jesse. >> jesse: i wonder what bret is going to ask zelenskyy? >> jessica: about his outfit. >> jesse: pickleball season is upon us. spring has sprung. go to the fox shop, foxnews.com, shop to purchase your grand new fox news pickleball set, two paddles, one ball. it's only $70. you can afford it. it is the golden age. [laughter] >> jesse: tonight, "jesse watters primetime," the art of no deal tonight at 8:00. >> shannon: all right, jessica? >> jessica: okay. so there is a great organization called cinderella affair holding 24th annual draft give away. prom goers. all sizes available for everybody. the event is entirely run by volunteers and the event dixon flannel company. >> shannon: love that. >> jesse: totally love that. >> emily: two book signings, all the people who live near vero

beach, florida, i will be there april 5th at 11:00 a.m. vero beach book center and anybody near columbus, ohio. saturday march 29th, 10:00 a.m. national veterans memorial museum. see where to get tickets on your screen or instagram for all the details. congratulations. >> charlie: in case we didn't love cali firefighters. rescuing this owl trapped from a fireplace. and managed to get it outside and that right there is a barn owl, in case you were wondering. let it go free. >> shannon: beautiful. bon i havage. i'm going to say it's been great to be with you all. >> jesse: happy friday. >> shannon: that's it for us. have a great night. >> bret: good evening, welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. breaking tonight, what was supposed to be a major