griff: ukrainian president zelenskyy is in london at this moment meeting with u.k. prime

minister if keir starmer, this after zelenskyy spoke exclusively with fox the news friday following an unprecedented dispute with president trump and vice president vance in the oval office. welcome to" fox news live," i'm griff jenkins. let's go right to to west palm beach, florida, lucas tomlinson has the very latest on where things stand at in this hour. lucas, we've now seen zelenskyy at 10 downing street what's happening down there near if mar-a-lago? >> reporter: good afternoon a, griff. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is in london, president trump has returned to the winter white house here in palm beach. he's sticking a tee in the ground, playing some golf. he was asked before leaving the white house just last night -- last night, just what it'll take to make up with the ukrainian president. >> reporter: how long do you think it will take -- [inaudible] >> well, he says he wants it

now, he wants to come back right now, but i can't do that. >> reporter: zelenskyy hastily left the white house after that contentious meeting in the oval office on trump's orders. the mineral rights deal, not signed. later on "special report" with bret baier, some in the trump administration were expecting an apology, zelenskyy refused to offer one. >> i'm not hearing from you, mr. president, the thought that you owe the president an apology. >> no p i respect president and i respect american people. and if, i don't know if -- i think that we have to be very open and very honest. and i'm not sure that we did something bad. >> reporter: most democrats think zelenskyy was set up in that a exchange in the oval office a yesterday. >> president trump has become the lap dog for a brutal dictator in moscow. it's got to be hard for americans to understand how the

white house has just become an outlet for kremlin propaganda. >> reporter: while zelenskyy's in london today meeting with britain's prime minister, he received a phone call from the if secretary-general of nato who implored zelenskyy to make up with president trump and the administration. also said a few weeks ago in brussels that today russia's making more ammunition in three months than the entire nato alliance makes in a year. and, griff everything one more. -- griff, one more. each year the americans make ooh 50,000 rounds, the russians, 250,000 rounds. griff: lucas tomlinson live in west palm beach, thank you. ♪ griff: in a a more than 3-hour sit-down with joe rogan, elon musk touted doge's push to the cut government spending which he says will save the country tens of billions of dollars a year.

madeleinely very or rah is here live with more on set. maddie, it was a marathon podcast. >> reporter: yeah, this was rate wide-ranging, and they talked about a bunch of topics, but we'll be talking about what doge has been doing. in his conversation, elon musk defended the work of doge saying inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. while he says some projects appear to be legitimate and have to be funded, he took aim at usaid and nonif governmental organizations, calling the latter a scam. this week more usaid workers cleared their desks as the trump administration moves to dismantle the agency. >> the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy. the empathy exploit. they're -- they're exploiting a bug in western civilization. >> reporter: doge is the subject of a number of lawsuits, some concerning its access, authority and transpart city. --

transparency. a federal judge is ordering officials connected to doge to testify in court over its efforts to rehappy the federal government. musk says they provide recommendations to different departments. >> cuts that doge recommends to the department, and usually these recommendations are followed. but these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department. >> reporter: musk says doge has saved taxpayers billions of dollars, but some of the biggest items in the federal budget include federal programs like medicare and social security which musk has slam haved. he called social security the social safety net, a ponzi scheme saying that it is i unsustainable in the future. president trump, though, maintains he won't touch social security is, medicare and medicaid, an issue that remains at the forefront in congress as republicans work on a bill that they hope will cut spending and enact the president's prior priorities and agenda. griff: we shall see where it goes, and there's a lot of discussion amongst even republicans on things like

medicare. we're about to dive into that. madeleine rivera, thank you very much. >> reporter: you got it, griff. griff: all right. ♪ griff: well, for more on this and gop moves to turn musk's overhaul into law, let's bring in texas congresswoman beth van duyne. you just heard madeleine's report, where are you on doge and how do you pretty much take over the congressional part of the? you guys have the power of the purse. why isn't the cutting coming from you? >> yeah. well, i think all those are fair questions. i actually introduced three times now a bill that would require third-party audits. i think that's what you are seeing elon and and his group do. they are to providing advice to a dually- duly-elected presidene have cuts. i think congress has to work just as fast as the president in

making sure that type of legislation is actually codified is that a when he leaves office in four years, we don't have another president who can just flip that over. we in congress have to be doing our job. i think doge has done a wonderful job at actually look at the line items and saying this is where their taxpayer dollars are going, these are the agencies that are wasting it and when you've got an agency like u usaid that, let's face it, in some instances does good work, but i think tightening the belts and doing it, i think, is a positive thing. people are complaining about the speed if because they're used to the federal government going slow as molasses is. i would say get used to things being turned upside down. that's what the president's delivering on. friday friday congresswoman, before i move to the zelenskyy-trump oval office incident, where do you come down when it comes to these concerns and debate amongst republicans

about things to like med care -- medicare, social security? >> i think all of us are on the same page p we want to make sure that went we need them, they are there. and looking at the unsustainability of how much waste is in these programs and how we're not going the to have the money when people need it the most, i think that is what we're trying to do. we don't want to decrease any of the benefits that people are getting out of medicare, out of social security, out of medicaid. but we do want the make sure there's not waste. we want to make sure that the programs are running efficiently, and i think that's what doge is doing. and i think the president and vice president vance have been very clear, we don't want to decrease the benefits, but we want to get rid of the waste, fraud and abuse where we see it. in medicare especially, we have seen a lot of that. griff: let's turn to the oval office, quite a moment between president zelenskyy, president trump and vice president vance. many democrat lawmakers already just blasting it. we put a small snippet if

together, a montage of some of the democrat members reacting to what they saw, how they interpreted what happened. watch here. >> what a complete and utter mess. and this is a gift to putin. >> this last day of february is a great victory for authoritarians, it is a great victory for russian interests. >> we'll need to see some mature leadership from the trump administration. griff if griff how do you see it? what's your response? >> well, i would hope that democrats would actually support a president who's supporting the country and has america's best interests at a heart. i think those were conversations yesterday in the oval office that would better have been done many private between the two, but it's my understanding that an agreement had been made. -basically an opportunity for the u.s. and for ukraine to come together and say we're going to have mutual interests in this region, you know? america is going to be able to actually benefit from its

defense of ukraine, and it could have been a positive moment. i think what you saw was the nastiness between the two was unfortunate, but zelenskyy has done a good job of unifying his country. and i want the make sure i have a shout-out to those proud and very, very forceful ukrainians who have fought back a horrible regime with russia. they have done a phenomenal job. but at this point in teem, you need leader who is recognizing you have to get to peace through not extending the war. what does peace look like, how soon can we get there. and i think zelenskyy had an opportunity to do that the oval office, and i think that opportunity is going to be delayed if not missed. griff: and just quickly, congresswoman, one more topic, and that is where are we as far as you see it in this budget process? you passed a bill in the house this week. take me to where we actually get the end result. >> i think president trump has

been very clear he wants one big, beautiful bill. he wants a bill that's looking at the economy that extends the tax cuts and jobs act, we have to have a bill that provides for the resources that tom homan and kristi noem have identified to secure our border. we also have to look at a energy independence because that has affected inflation a tremendous amount. so we need a budget to keep the offices open, the government open and all those other things. this puts us on a past to do that. in addition, we have been very clear that we want to include the doge efforts and have, you know, publicly identify moving forward with cutting $2 trillion worth of spending. we've got over $36 trillion worth of death -- debt right now, it is not sustainable. so whole bill puts all of those in play. but i'm especially pleased at looking at stopping the overspend of government resources and looking at where we're going if to be able to cut over $2 trillion. griff: we shall see where it

goes. congresswoman beth van duyne, thank you for your time. if. >> great. thank you very much, griff. have a great weekend. griff: all right, you too. now from the other side of the aisle, let's bring in california democratic congressman robert garcia. congressman, thank you for being here. you heard what your colleague, beth van duyne, had to say there. but let's start in our conversation here because so many democrats are criticizing what happened between president zelenskyy and president trump and vice president vance yesterday. i want to just go right to your reaction to what happened and what it all means. >> well, first, it was, in my opinion, just a very shameful display for all that to happen in the oval office many front of the world and all of our allies who we need to stop russia. and i think what, honestly, is most disgraceful is that throughout that conversation that the president could not be clear that putin is a danger to europe, to ukraine and to the

united states. putin is an authoritarian dictator, and we need to call it like it is and to embarrass zelenskyy who is taking putin on right now, to belittle him, an ally -- griff: but, congressman, met me -- >> i think it's a big mistake. griff: if we're being fair here, you're saying it was shameful in that zelenskyy was the one who was attacked. but let's be honest, we all know when you're in that oval office setting, and this is a deal that's already done. this is the finish line and a photo op. president zelenskyy, who i've interviewed twice -- once in kyiv months after the war began, once last summer right after he was very savvy diplomatically coming off the heels of the u.n. general assembly. and then yesterday he allowed himself to be drawn into a fight and then was, you know, using the vice president's first name, j.d., pushing back. and i understand what he was saying, but wasn't this perhaps

an opportunity that zelenskyy's advisers should have told him, look, don't pick this fight and this is a very important moment, just get the deal done? >> look, it's very clear that the vice president and the president were teaming up to take on zelenskyy in front of the world press. and let's be really clear, putin is murdering, murdering brutally zelenskyy's own people. so he, of course, is going to stand up for his country and his people. and certificate eleven is sky did come to the white house -- zelenskyy did come to the white house the try to put a deal together with the president. but to belittle him, ukraine and our country, and most importantly, to not call out putin who's an authoritarian dictator and an enemy of the united states is what i think is the most shameful thing that happened in that -- griff: but, but -- >> -- terrible for the united states. griff griff president trump said yesterday, as he pointed out in that meeting which was going well for 30 or so minutes before it fell apart at the end that he

wants to be more neutral to try and change what has become a 3-year stalemate. president biden's administration did little to any that this i'm aware of in terms of trying to bring putin in for a ceasefire. so that was the argument being made there about not calling out putin as president trump laid out. at the end of the day -- >> vladimir putin neutral? griff: not neutral a, president trump simply said if he just starts to bad mouth if him, that he would not be able to bring him into a ceasefire deal. at the end of the day, what matters, congressman, is what happens next? can this deal be salvaged? can this relationship be repaired, and how important is that from your perspective? >> i think it's very important. and i'm hope, i hope so. look, i think at this very moment this is a very dangerous time not just for ukraine, but for all of europe. and i think that putin is very clear that he, it is beyond just

ukraine. he wants to reestablish and grow his territory and power. so us being able to work out some type of agreement with ukraine in support of zelenskyy and the ukrainian people, i support. and i think most democrats, republicans, everyone across this country wants, of course, for this war to end. but we also want to make sure that ukraine maintains its sovereignty ask and that we do not just allow putin to roll over and get what he wants. that's what we're all a hopeful for, both republicans and democrats. griff: congressman -- almost out of of town, but quickly on doge, you -- out of time, you heard my conversation with with beth van duyne, and i want to get your input. so doge is cutting this waste, and i know that you based on other interviews you've done are very critical of musk, critical of doge. but do democrats support cutting some of the obvious identified waste in some of these agencies? >> of course. i mean, look at -- the department of defense is the largest part of the federal

budget. they can't even pass an audit, yet they're cutting departments -- that are actually delivering to real people. why are we cutting 4-ooh -- 4-500 faa workers that are in charge of keeping our airlines and air space safe? is we're in a crisis as it relates to the faa, and elon musk is9 out there cutting away without any rhyme or reason. there is no major ceo in america that would be cutting the way elon musk is cutting our federal agencies, let's be really clear about that. yes, there's always going to be waste in government. yes, we're always going to be able to be more efficient, but throwing people off their jobs who have been working hard across this country, 80 percent of which, by the way, of the federal work force work outside of washington, d.c., how we're treating them is horrific, and we're losing real problems that are going to impact health care, education and air safety. this has got to stop, evaluation has got to happen. griff: we shall see where it

goes. congressman garcia, thank you for being with us. we will have you back on and, you know, this musk thing seems to be something that isn't is slowing down, so thank you for your input. have a great weekend. >> thank you. griff: all right. meanwhile, the vatican moments ago giving an update on the position of -- the condition of pope francis.ur we'll give you m the latest nex. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪) mirajoy: the overwhelming relief after miralax® helps you “go” miralax® works naturally with the water in your body. putting you in a supernaturally good mood. miralax®: free your gut to free your mood. you might know harbor freight for affordability. what you might not know is performance and durability goes right along with it. you see, we test. and then we test again.

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griff: the vatican says pope francis remains in stable condition today after a suffering a respiratory crisis friday. jeff paul is in rome following the very latest. jeff, what can you tell us in. >> reporter: well, yeah. the vatican just gave us an update saying pope francis is stable a day after experiencing that isolated breathing crisis. he's still using hamas paing from time to time to help with his recover, but he was well enough to continue on with therapy. the area that connects your windpipe to your lungs tightened. that led to some vomiting with inhalation. pope francis received non-invasive ventilation at the time, basically a mask that covered his pose and mouth to help with his breathing. the vatican says the pope doesn't have a fever, and his white blood cell count isn't elevated, his blood flow is

normal, he is eating, and will there haven't been any further spasms. he'll be with spending his 16th night if at gemelli hospital in rome, and it is a where the faithful have continued to gather. >> we want to pray for pope because with we know pope now is sick. so is only the prayer, we hope that he is healed. we need pope. >> reporter: now, yesterday that was the second medical crisis that pope francis is has experienced within just a week's time. and just given his age and his past respiratory issues, he's clearly not out of danger just yet. griff? griff: keeping our prayers up for pope francis is. jeff paul live for us in rome, thank you. ♪ ♪ griff: hamas if rejecting israel's formulation of extending the first phase of the ceasefire in gaza on the day the first stage of the deal was set to expire. currently, there are no talks for a second ceasefire phase.

stephanie if bennett is tracking that that story for us. hi, stephanie. >> reporter: hey, griff. under the deal's terms, fighting shuled not resume while negotiations are underway for phase two two. of course, during the initial 6-week phase one hamas released 25 living hostages and returned the bodies of 8 others to israel in exchange for nearly 2,000 palestinian prisoners. thousands returned to northern gaza, aid increased and some israeli forces withdrew. now, phase two is supposed to create a more permanent end to the war, see all israeli troops withdrawn and the reare mains hostages returned. israel, egypt and the united states have been involved in those negotiations, israel proposed extending the first phase by 42 days to get more hostages back without withdrawing troops. but hamas sources have is accused israel of delaying the second phase. other challenges, of course, israel has said hamas cannot be

involved in governing after the war while hamas has anticipated it could be willing the hand over power. israeli officials say they will do whatever it takes to free the hostages. >> if there will be no understanding and no clear path to move forward and to build a new vision for the region without hamas, we will keep the option for resuming our military operation. >> reporter: meanwhile, manial palestinians marked the first day of ramadan with fasting and more worries. the third and final phase of this ceasefire agreement would include reconstruction of gaza is. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: god willing, we are hoping that in the coming years, the coming ramadans would be better and better for the circumstances to improve and that the suffering caused by a prolonged war would end. >> reporter: the u.n. secretary-general will head the cairo next week to discuss the reconstruction of gaza is. griff? griff: stephanie bennet covering the latest developments in the middle east, thank you. coming up, what the new

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you were made to chase your passions. we were made to put them in a package. griff: a fedex cargo plane was forced the make an emergency landing in newark, new jersey, this morning after its engine burst into flames. officials believe the dramatic scene was caused when a bird flew into that engine. no one was hurt, and air a travel in and out of knew work was back to normal within an -- knew work was back to normal within an hour of the incident. the mystery surrounding gene hackman's death deepens. the santa the fay county sheriff says the actor may have died nine days before his body was found as they try to piece together the timeline. matt finn is live with more in santa fe. hi, matt. >> reporter: hi, griff. behind me is the of affluent gated community where gene hack

amanif his wife betsy lived -- hack aman. thbt about 0-15 minutes outside downtown santa fe. and once you get to the gates here, you have another short drive until you get to gene's actual home. so so it is clear that a gene and his wife wanted privacy, they wanted peace. and it seems like that's what they had out here, because authorities are you say -- now saying the couple was likely dead for nine or ten days before they were discovered on wednesday. the running theory this week was perhaps they died from carbon monoxide, especially after one of eurozone's daughters said she suspected toxic fumes. but yesterday the sheriff shot it down saying there was no carbon monoxide detected in the home, and the pathologist says both bodies tested negative for carbon monoxide. evidenceover is pointing to february 17th being gene's last day of life. his pacemaker registered an event on that day. investigators and doctors will

likely be able to pull more data from that pace ifmaker. gene was found on the floor in his mud room, sunglasses and his cane nearby. it seemed like he had suddenly father-in-law, but the pathologist say gene and his wife did not have external injuries. authorities saying gene's wife betsy was found on the floor in the bathroom. the pills taken from the home were tylenol, thyroid and high blood pressure medicines which are not usually associated with any type of overdose. so as the mystery deepens, law enforcement is naturally turning to electronics. >> we will look and try to gain access to the cell phones, we'll be analyzing cell phone day data. phone call, text messages, photos to try and piece a timeline together. >> reporter: and that sheriff said gene and his wife did not have any cameras inside or outside of their home here in

this rural locationing which certain isly likely would have helped the investigation. and in one interview years ago a, gene said he had a stress test done, and his heart was not doing well. and he intentionally decided to leave hollywood, top acting and come here to this quiet, remote area in the mountains. and it ultimately seemed like he and his wife lived a life of peace until their final moments. griff: matt finn live in santa santa fe, thank you. for more let's bring in former fbi agent of 25 years, maureen o'connell. maureen, this case has so many questions. the officials calling it suspicious but then saying no expectation of foul play. you heard the details we learned from matt finn's great report. but if i can, i want to put the map up and show our viewers the map that you can see of the hackman home along this old sunset trail. and we can see kind of, maureen,

the houses around it. and and as a matt pointed out, there was no cameras inside the hackman home. but you wonder around that home where you see even toe it's rural, other -- even though it's rural, other homes, might there be another camera or other neighbors around that mightbe able to tell us more about the timeline, and is that of interest to you as a former fbi agent? >> yes, absolutely are. they're going to be looking, as the sheriff's deputy said, they're going if to be looking at the phones, be looking at their devices and whether or not the phones had been used, when was the last time. and with regard to the cameras, i agree with you, they are going to be looking at the entrance cameras, the entrance cameras to the gated community, any of their neighbors' they were on a 6-acre lot, is that's a huge piece of land, and when you're in a rural area like that a, these external cameras in these

neighbors' homes could prove beneficial if nothing else the rule out the notion or idea that someone wells may have been on their property on the date they last stopped living. griff: and, maureen, what are the questions as someone who has been for decades a law enforcement investigator with the fbi, what would you be doing right now if you were on the ground? what are the questions you think need to be answered right now? >> well, i would be doing exactly what tear doing right now -- they're doing right now. i would look at all their devices. you know, right now they're narrowing things down, and that's exactly what you want to do. initially when the first responders showed up at location, they thought it probably was an event, you know, like a carbon monoxide or something because that's often times what happens. however, in this instance once today ruled that out, you start going down other pathses. you -- the hallmark of a great investigator or really good investigation is the follow the facts as they unfold and stick with them. and that appears to be exactly

what they're they're doing right now, particularly with the phones. i think if they can get into those phones, they may be able to determine who died first, was that seems to be what everyone's asking right now. and although it's extraordinarily rare for two people, healthy -- or two people to die of natural causes on the same day, there is a chance that it might have happened. and for all we know, she could have been the one that a had the initial heart attack, and he was running to help her and fell, but with we don't know that yet. are. griff: well, that is such a remarkable consideration, that these two individuals 30 years apart die of natural a causes. because as we know, the officials, when they told us there was mummyification, that was, like, wait a minute, what's that? if so my question to you is how important is, obviously, carbon monoxide poisoning has been ruled out, but how important is what the medical examiner can tell us play a role in determining what happened? >> well, the medical examiner is

going to do a whole series of the tests as they often and always a do, and those tests pay be able to tell us whether or not a cardiac event happened. with mr. hackman's pacemaker going off, it's probably going to be him that suffered the cardiac event initially, but we don't know that. we're going to be also able to look at her, if they're going to to run the same tests on her. they're going to have to run a whole battery of tests, and i can tell you for a fact that the toxicology tests take weeks and weeks to be completed. so we're closer to the end but we're not at the end of the investigation just yet. griff: and final thoughts as you look at where this leads us and the questions about a, you know, was anyone else there. you think it's going to be, what, weeks before we get the next set of details, or could we get something from the santa fe sheriff's and the officials there that would really bring us to close your here? -- closure

here in. >> we may be able to get it sooner than the average age a because everyone is so interested in this and pressuring the m.e.'s office, etc. but it usually does take quite a bit of time to get toxicology results back. griff: if maureen o'connell, great insight. thank you for your time and have a great weekend. >> thank you, griff. griff: all right. meanwhile, a notorious mexican drug lord is arraigned in brooklyn after a surprise extradition to the united states. that's next. ♪ ♪ living with diabetes? progress is having your coffee like you like it. the freestyle libre 3 plus sensor is covered by medicare for more people managing diabetes with insulin. this is progress. ask your doctor today. ♪ an msc cruise isn't just a vacation, it's a holiday.

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take a listen. >> we're here at target in alhambra. we have confirmed i.c.e. agent sightings. how many families do you plan to destroy today? >> reporter: so this is video of a member of a group called the community self-defense coalition. she says they do patrols to alert folks if they see i.c.e. around. she says the can bigs is working with dozens of organizations across the los angeles area. >> we're not here to protect, you know, criminals or whatever. the narrative is that's out there. this is reallying, really, really about these beautiful people who are very scared right now. we make noise, expect noise just alerts, like, people in the area that there's something going on outside. this is our megaphone right now provide ising noise the alert the community. >> reporter: she is just one of a number of activists nationwide alerting locals when

i.c.e. agents are around as the trump administration continues its deportation efforts as a part of its major crackdown on migrant crime. illegal immigration, drug smuggling and cartel violence. former acting dhs secretary chad wolf says anyone disrupting i.c.e. raids or leaking information about them putting lives in danger. >> when law enforcement goes out to do an operation, today largely depend on that element of surprise so that the, you know, the targets of that operation don't cause them harm. and so when you leak that information in any number of ways, you're putting law enforcement officers, you're putting members of that community in harm's way. >> reporter: and it could get them into big legal trouble. a spokesperson for the fbi says while the agency safeguards any constitutionally protected rights including freedom of speech and and assembly, those who impede law enforcement operations and potentially threaten the safety of law enforcement agents are subject to to investigation and

potential prosecution by the doj. griff? are. griff: christina coleman live in los angeles, thank you,. meanwhile, nearly 30 cartel members and leaders were extradited to the u.s. this week as the tariff deadline is fast approaching this coming tuesday. trump demanded mexico to crack down on cartels and the production and flow of fentanyl. c.b. cotton is here now with more on that. >> reporter: hi, griff. well, this surprise extradition leading to some justice here on u.s. soil because 40 years ago a dea agent was murdered in mexico by the sinaloa cartel. the mastermind is now behind bars here in the u.s. he was among the 29 cartel members extradited to the 8 different u.s. cities the pace u.s. charges. to face u.s. charges. this after the president threatened those stiff tariffs against our southern neighbor, and the administration weighed possible military action against

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dinner table, the birthdays and holidays that passed without him, the life that was stolen not just from kiki, but from all of those who loved him. >> reporter: she also told fox her husband would be so proud of our country for getting quintero. he did plead not guilty yesterday in court. he and the cartel members face life in prison and in some cases the death penalty if convicted. griff. griff: c.b. cotton, thank you very much. a somber day at arlington national cemetery as the beloved wife of retired that lean lieutenant colonel if oliver north and mother of four was laid to rest friday in the nation's most hallowed grounds. hone the to family and friends as a betsy, colonel north met betsy when he was a mid shipman at the naval academy in 1968. married for 56 years, theirs was truly a love story that stood the test of time.

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griff: a grassroots organization was canning people not to spend any money as a part of a protest resisting against billionaires, big corporations and both

political parties. the economic blackout was set to run all day friday. one chief retail adviser says it didn't look like anyone was pulling back from shopping. the people's union usa is planning another no-spend day at the end of march. ♪ >> we're fighting every day to get the prices down. the inflation is stopping showily. part of the reason it's -- slowly. part of the reason is because of high interest rates and other problems that we inherited. but we have to get the prices down. not the inflation down. the prices of eggs and various other things. eggs are a disaster. griff: while the white house is unveiling a plan to get the price of eggs down and combat the bird flu, we are bringing in unleash prosperity executive director and former bush administration official tim doescher. tim, an excellent guest to have.

you follow this stuff. what is going on? and you saw there, obviously, president trump saying, you know, it's a disaster. i don't know what it's like anywhere else, but here in washington where i live the egg aisle is empty usually or at minimum sparse. but yet we do see the prices rising. >> i mean, when you kill 166 million chickens, egg-laying chickens as well, you're going to see a shortage in eggs coming. that's a huge problem. and the thing is this wasn't really a trump problem, this was actually a biden problem. this happened three years ago, so it's been compounding for about three years of basically inaction ask feckless -- griff: that's interesting you say that, because it caught our eye when brand new ag secretary brooke rollins was on fox and and friends and had in this to say. >> under biden and obama a lot of rules and regulations were put on these chicken farmers,

and it just takes a lot longer than it should to get hens back into the henhouse and laying eggs again. there is no short-term fix. griff: he's taking it all the a way back to the obama. is that accurate in. >> well, the h5n1 -- yes, it is accurate because those regulations have been on. if a farm gets sick chickens, you've got to shut it down. and that takes the farm off. you cannot produce if eggs. and so when you have those regulations and you have an h5n1 strain which we discovered in january of 2022, that's going to to be a big burden on farmers to get themselves back on. she's talking regulations as a well. rook at some of these states, what they're doing. they're forcing hair farmers to have cage-free environments for their chickens which, of course, as you know, that takes up a lot of land and cuts production as well because it takes time for farmers to do that. these regs are devastating. griff: and people may not know, much of poultry across the country comes from fear here.

you can just go out. on the eastern sore of maryland, delaware. -- shore. these communities obviously affected by it. does this continue to dog the trump administration and become a problem for them even if it started earlier? >> i think like many things, when we say feckless leadership, that means you're not communicating, here's what what we're going to do to fix this problem. and i think what brooke rollins was saying, secretary rollins and president trump are saying, this is the plan now. we're going to to get on the same page through messaging. vaccinations, we're going to make trade deals to find eggs, bring them in from other places that meet our standards, and we're going to tackle regulations. griff: going to do trade deals, could tariffs complicate that a? [laughter] >> well, that is definitelying? we're talking about. when you put tariffs on things if there's mutual tariffs, you get less of things. we know that. so if that is actually going to happen, it could present some tough circumstances. but i do think though that our

administration will be able to make those deals. griff: and in the 30 seconds i've got left, tim, what advice to get this under control, to deal with the egg crisis, what's your advice to the trump administration? >> what i would say is continue with the consistent messaging and don't leave a leadership vacuum. which the biden administration can did for all four years of this. i mean, what were you doing for three years? what was going on those three years that would cause egg prices to -- people to pay $5, $10 for a dozen of eggs when they're already experiencing inflation? when they're already high? you know, this is the kind of leadership, i think, that president trump was elected for. give i didn't have and in ten seconds -- griff: and in ten seconds, when we hear mostly democratic critics saying eggs are outrageous, inflation's back, is inflation back or is this an egg thing in. >> the most recent numbers are from january, and we know

president trump took office a january 20th. so we had a 13% rise in egg prices in january a alone. so i think that answers the question. griff: we've got to leave it there, tim doescher, to pay some bills. thank you for being here. that's all for this hour of "fox news live." journal editorial report is coming up next. i'll be back here tomorrow.ut ♪ t ♪ in every gmc sierra. what we choose to know, we know completely. we are professional grade. ♪ taxes was paying the price... .. ...beating your last pro's price, when you switch to an expert. now this is taxes. intuit turbotax. you might know harbor freight for affordability. what you might not know is performance and durability goes right along with it. you see, we test. and then we test again.

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