i apologize. but the content was extremely important at least for this program. so i'm here. i think donald trump has the right plan for peace. mineral's deal i feel will get done. will get down. zelenskyy needs to step up and i think donald trump will respond when he does. the democrats are saboteur tores and puts party first and country second and they're at it again. the pro putin cheerleaders in the country are a disgrace and the cheer leereds in the 1930s and 40s in this country. dismiss them but trump's got the plan and that's a good plan. we'll see you next week on life, liberty, and levin. ♪ shannon: i am a shannon bream. follow-up from tensions when boil over between trump and

zelenskyy. zelensky. the path is unclear. corrects you are gambling with the lives of millions of people. you are gambling with world war iii. you are gambling with world war iii. quote securities can we have? i am not pushing we are not fresh and we're just asking, we're just sharing. clicks the oval office class reverberating across europe but well received in russia. we'll talk exclusively with the director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard in her first a sunday show sit down. and that senate foreign relations committee chris van hollen about the stunning sequence of events. and mexico sues u.s. gun makers all the way to the u.s. supreme court. >> the mexican government should be bringing mexican criminals to mexican justice and mexican courtrooms. shannon: alright now on "fox news sunday." ♪ hello from fox news in

washington we began with the look at the top headlines. israel has stopped all aid supply from entering the gaza strip. citing hamas' refusal to accept an outline for continued peace talks and the failure to release the remaining israeli hostages but hamas has released its own statement condemning the move. high wind and dry conditions are fueling a wildfires in the carolinas leading to evacuations in several communities. firefighters to get some help overnight as the winds died down. ukrainian president zelenskyy's meeting with european leaders in the uk today. britain, france and ukraine have agreed to work on a cease-fire plan they will then present to the united states. at a moment we'll talk with the director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard. first we turned it lucas turn tn is covering the president in florida he is at mar-a-lago this morning good morning. clark shannon after the contentious meeting in the oval office ukrainian president

volodymyr zelenskyy received a warmer welcome in then he did it washington. got shuffled back across the united kingdom. zelensky received a warm welcome and aligning for arriving at 10 a10downing street facility showd appreciation for united states posting on next we are very grateful to the united states for all the support for and thankful for president trump, congress for their bipartisan support and american people. gratitude the trump administration thought was lacking in washington. zelensky arrived at the white house to sign a middle right deal, for treatment into an oval office meeting with president trump, it went off the rails. vice president jd banta jumped in >> mr. president, mr. president with respect it is disrespectfully for coming to the oval office try to litigate this in front of the american media. >> a fire exchange in the oval office unlike any in history caught on camera. still as he left the white house a short time later after trump asked him to leave.

the plan a press conference and lunch canceled the middle rights deal unsigned. before leaving for palm beach trump was asked when zelensky will return to the white house? >> he says he wants it now wants to come back right now. and i cannot do that. >> hours lady zelensky appeared on special report with bret baier. many in the trump administration wanted an apology. zelensky did not offer 1. >> i'm not hearing from you, mrf the president an apology. >> no i respect president. and i respect american people. and f, i don't know, i think we have to be very open and very honest. i am not sure we did something bad. >> a follow-up split along party lines even among ukraine's biggest supporters. >> complete and utter disaster. he either needs to resign or he needs to change it. >> is a planned ambush designed to embarrass president zelenskyy

in order to benefit vladimir putin. >> this weekend president trump will be working on his speech to congress tuesday night. shannon: will have full coverage lucas thank you very much joining us now the director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good morning, shannon. shannon: what is the intelligence committee's commits assessment of vladimir putin and is future ambitions? >> what i want to focus for simon president trump's goal and the reality that is on the ground. that is the thing that seems to be getting lost in what we are seeing and president zelenskyy's statements in the white house. and the european leaders response of this. president trump recognizes the urgent need to end this war after 3 long bloodied years and has proven he is the only person that can do this. president zelenskyy has different aims in mind.

he has said he wants to end this war. but he will only accept an end apparently that leads to it he views as ukraine's victory. even if it comes in incredibly high cost of potentially world war iii or even a nuclear war. president trump is committed to peace into freedom. we are seeing a big divergence between his position and his commitment to these values and the interest of the american people. and the interest of a president apresidentzelenskyy and these en leaders. this is an issue that has to be resolved. you know president trump is committed to doing this and that's really where the next step needs to lead. shannon: what is the next step? one of the criticisms of the biden administration is that not talk to putin for years. president trump is doing that. he is having that conversation. but now it seems like the relationship with zelensky is broken, at least temporarily. how does that get back on track because he's got report of the conversation as well.

>> of course. president trump is made very clear that in his previous conversations with both putin and zelensky that he wants to engage with both but he was to engage in honest and real negotiations. and unfortunately, what happened in the white house after close to an hour of conversation when president zelenskyy directly challenge president trump and vice president vance in front of the media and the american people he really showed his lack of interest in any real good faith negotiations. i can tell you, there were a lot of conversations happening through different emissaries for zelensky and for president trump leading up to his vit there to the oval office. president zelenskyy's immediate escalation there was frankly quite a surprise. this has created a huge rift in the relationship. president zelensky as you pointed out in the clips that you have played does not believe he did anything wrong and that there was no issue with what he

brought up in the oval office with president trump. there is going to have to be a rebuilding of any kind of interest in good faith negotiations i think before president trump is going to be willing to reengage on this. shannon: 1 of the things that might've gotten lost in the shuffle as people were trying to elicit and now talking over each other, we have all seen the clips from the oval office. zelensky was saying we did have cease-fires i have signed on to other agreements and yet pooch and cross those lines. he said he blew up the cease-fire he killed my people. does he not have a valid point that there should be a real understanding his frustration and skepticism that putin is actually going to be a reliable partner in whatever deal comes together. >> really, there are 2 viable paths here. one is this work continues on as it has for over 3 years more and more ukrainians will lose their lives. more and more of the country of ukraine will be decimated and

destroyed. this will continue to be essentially a war of attrition and to what end? what outcome? president trump sees a reality. the alternative to does what she is so intent on that he said drop the campaign and the american people voted for is a commitment to ending this war and bringing peace. that requires bringing interested parties to the table to conduct these negotiations. of course of both sides will have their arguments and their interest they are fighting for this is the reality of how these negotiations always occur during times of war. neither side is going to be happy very likely with the outcome. but ultimately needs to lead to peace and that is what president trump is so committed too because he recognizes that the longer this goes on. not only are more ukrainians losing their lives but increases the potential of this escalation toward world war iii that he warned against as he sat there with zelensky sync your gambling

with world war iii that is not a cost president trump is willing to ups accept. before a recent poll days ago, this was before the incident in the oval office if that's what we want to call it. it asks the american people do you think that u.s. should trust russian president vladimir putin? 81% said no. you know it hard to get 81% of americans to agree on anything but they are united on that. so why does this administration trust putin? >> i think president trump was on the cynical eye as he does i imagine with any deal he has made. it's not about blind trust at all. it's looking at the factors that are on the table. negotiating with all interested parties and then for president trump ultimately is going to look out for what's in the best interests of the american people. our ability to live in a peaceful and prosperous way in our country and uphold the values of freedom that we hold dear. so again, president trump has a very realist view of the picture

and what is at stake. which is why he is so committed to working to bring about an end to this war. and frankly why he has proven as this war has been a wage of the last 3 years he is the only 1 that has the ability to do that. so if our next guest democratic punishment excuse me now senator was a congressman, chris van hollen said is very worried about what he saw on friday but what it communicates. he said the people celebrating our russian, boudin, president xi and people who do not have america's best interest at heart we do have over the weekend i've gotten russian foreign minister saying president trump is someone using common sense and we like the way he is acting. you got the kremlin spokesperson dimitri saying what the u.s. is doing is changing the game largely coincides with our vision. what do you make of russia celebrating with the u.s. is doing it lin lines up with their vision? >> they are going to say with their position is good but we

should pay attention to here in the united states of america is the american people. so many people across the country celebrating the strong leadership president trump and vice president vance demonstrated in the oval office. something we have not seen over the last 4 years the biden administration. we finally have a president who is going to stand up strongly and fiercely and unwaveringly for the cause of peace and freedom for the american people. i note that a soup president trump has on his heart at on his mind as he is working towards bringing about a negotiated end to this war. those who are criticizing his efforts in this way, are showing they are not committed to peace in the case of many of those european countries, that they are not committed to the cause and values of freedom. even though they speak of this we heard very clearly during vice president vance speech in munich, different examples of how these european partners and longtime allies in many cases are actually implementing

policies that undermine democracy. this shows they do not believe the voice of the people being heard. implementing and antifreedom policies. we are seeing this in the united kingdom. we are seeing this in germany. we saw with the tossing out of elections in romania. there is something fundamentally deep in her that she was a huge divergence between the values of ice president trump and vice president vance are fighting for. they are enshrined in our constitution interest of the american people our peace and freedom and national security versus those of many of the european countries who are coming to zelensky's aside as he walked out of the white house saying basically they are going to support him in continuing this war if they do not stand with us for fundamental values. >> they are in more alignment they should beat with t be with. when it comes to the freedoms what they talk about certainly does or not things you would say it russia or putin celebrates or bestows upon his own people.

>> it is correct i would not make that claim it is clear that is not the case. nor does it president trump but that is not what we are talking about here. many of these european countries and zelensky himself who claim to be standing and fighting for the cause of freedom and democracy we look at what is happening in reality in these countries as well as with zelensky's and government in ukraine is the exact opposite. the canceling of elections in ukraine. being silenced or criminalized or thrown in prison. the freedom of religion. churches being shut down. you have political opposition being silenced. total government control of the media. we could go down a whole laundry list of issues that are against the values of democracy and freedom. so, it really begs the question is vice president vance said in munich it's clear they are standing against putin. that's obviously clear but what are they actually really

fighting for? and are they aligned with the values they claim to hold in agreement with us the values it president trump and vice president vance are standing for and those are the values of freedom, of peace and true security. shannon: the way you describe ukraine and most americans and most of the world understand russia, are you saying is essentially choosing between the lesser of 2 evils? >> what i am focused on is what president trump is focused on which is peace. seeing the world through a very clear picture and making sure the president is having on us in good faith negotiations with both of these countries to bring about an end to this war. that is what it is about that lives are at stake. the potential of world war iii if this work continues to go on and escalate as what is at stake. again it president trump will make his decisions and will stay very focused on what is of the best interest of the american people and ensuring that future of peace and freedom.

shannon: will see where the reset is on the ukrainian side. director thank you for stopping in. >> thank you, shannon. shannon: up next we'll get it reaction from the senate foreign relations committee democrat chris van hollen is live next. join thousands of advertisers who have built their businesses, reaching america's most influential audience. need creative? we can help. fox news media impact starts here. advertise with us today.

zelensky's got a chip on his shoulder. every year being a leader applauds and for standing up to trial. all i can say is a missed opportunity does not even begin to explain it. shannon: senator lindsey graham clearly frustrated and the wake of the chaotic oval office may between president trump and zelenskyy. leaving the future of u.s. ukraine relations more uncertain than ever joining is now chris

van hoehn who sits on the foreign relations committee good to have a picnic shannon, good to be with you. shannon: this is not happen so then friday we know that for this been growing tensions. it is but a number of trump administration officials who sat down an to me and met with in tr circle. very heated meetings attempts to come to some kind of agreement on a number of things. they feel sometimes they come out of these means have been misrepresented or misconstrued what was just us there went to plays havoc from secretary rubio he said about all of this. >> and uc efforts to impede it, when you tell someone don't cite let's not talk about these things. let's not go in this direction because it makes it harder for us to engage they insist on doing anyway. you start to and i do not impugn people's motives may start to wonder what's behind it. proxy voting for secretary rubio you have confidence in him and the way he's trying to manage this? >> i did vote for senator rubio to be secretary of state. i regret that vote because as a

member of the senate, secretary rubio was somebody who stood up for american values and american principles. he acknowledged russia was the aggressor against ukraine. he realized it was not zelensky who was the dictator. and now he is simply taking his directions to the state department from elon musk. essentially parroting the president's position. which i understand but it's very different than what senator rubio used to talk about pickwick secretary besson, described that meeting with president zelensky. he said they wanted to get the deal done on the rare earth minerals wanted to show a bond and come out of the meeting united against russia and says very tough a 45 minute meeting very loud decibel level. he wanted no daylight between the 2 but he said zelensky refused to sign it. take her on friday which we thousand mu celebrations on the deal. secretary besson said is with

biggest on goals in history too. >> us of the meeting as a despicable plate display of bullying by the president of the united states and the vice president of the united states tagainst somebody whose country is at war for putin, a brutal assault by putin. who has lost thousands and thousands of ukrainians who wants peace more than anybody but also want to make sure it is a door a durable, sustainable peace. you mention this mineral deal. the deal that was on the table at the white house, just to be clear was a very different than what secretary besson at first t on the table. both in ukraine and in munich. >> was that because zelensky and his team had input where they wanted changes to the deal. >> what happened in munich the secretaries of people tried to extort zelensky and the ukrainian people to give up half of their mineral supplies in order for past u.s. support and continue ongoing u.s. support it

was extortionate pure and simple it would be like the middle of world war ii fdr sank to churchill we are not going to help you against the nazis and hitler unless you give up half of your mineral resources and half of your coal. that didn't change about to suggest zelensky was wrong to be rejecting what was essentially extortion is a warped version of what actually happened. shannon: do you think the u.s. should get some return on investments that europ your past structuring these as loans? >> europe has provided a lot of grants they provided some and concessionary loans. i am fine if the united states want to include some of it support in the form of concessionary loans prime sure zelensky would support that part is zones gives idea originally to include some kind of deal on minerals to provide for reconstruction. but, what happened is that idea got transformed originally into an idea where it was really

extortion give us half of this stuff or what we've already done. and then to see what happened at the white house i will say was embarrassing. zelensky has talked about the sacrifice of his people he has also been grateful to the united states. whenever i meet with him and i met with him with others before his meeting at the white house he always expresses gratitude. but, donald trump does not recognize sacrifice for this greater principal. after all it was donald trump who said of american combat troops who died for our country they were suckers and losers. shannon: units that point there are 17 people have been on the record from in those meetings on that trip and said those words were never said. that 17 people saying it did not happen. it is 8 popular line to use. you can understand though that may be this administration's real levels of frustration with this in the way things have gone down is that not just them you're part of this meeting said bipartisan senders and meeting

with mr. zelenskyy before he went to the white house but lindsey graham was also 1 of them. he seems super frustrated after this meeting the weight he had talked with mr. zelenskyy how to approach mr. trump had maybe ite gone in 1 ear and out the other here's a bit of his reaction. >> i've busted to try to help ukraine comment to make sure we help them win a war that would get this war over in a way that we do not have further aggression. donald trump is the man to do it but i told him this morning, i told him do not take debate. do not let the media or anybody else get you into an argument with president trump. what he is doing today is resetting the relationship. you should be grateful. shannon: a lot of folks in washington thing if you've lost lindsey graham has been incredibly supportive of zelensky and aid to ukraine you might be in trouble. >> first, shannon, it was general kelly a marine corps general who made that statement about what trump said about u.s.

service people. i choose to believe general kelly. look, senator graham has been a big supporter of the ukrainian people. this was clearly an example where he decided to preserve his relationship with president trump. shannon: you think he is not generally frustrate you part of that meeting this morning sunk'k is trying to prep them for success. i was part of that meeting and in that meeting was president zelensky again expressed gratitude to the american people he was sitting through this meeting, president zelensky for a long time. and faced a barrage of misrepresentation, misstatements. i thought he handled himself very well under the circumstances. i do not think we should expect foreign leaders to have to come into the oval office and plate dear leader like the president's cabinet officials and others may be doing. i don't think that is what we should expect of them. he had to listen to a litany of lies and misinformation.

i thought he did it with incredible column and then of course you saw the president and vice president just turn on him and bully him. and that spectacle is you played earlier today is being warmly received and embraced by our adversaries by putin and the russians. you can be assured president xi is keeping 1 eye on what's happening integrators he keeps another eye on taiwan. this was a total disaster for those of us who believe in american foreign policy will re- respect our allies and our friends and we stand up for democracy and freedom around the world. shannon: is deafly a change in time for the last administration will see how plays out as we hope these conversations come back to the table. senator, always good to see you thank you for coming in. we appreciate your time. outraged after the department of justice releases documents from the jeffrey epstein case. but maybe not for the reasons you might imagine% a panel on that and the possibility of a government shutdown. just day so if the federal

government running out of money. they are next.

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support. shannon: future of u.s. support in ukraine after question and extraordinary oval office dustup between president trump and his ukrainian counterpart zelensky. time to discuss wit the sunday p usa today washington bureau chief susan page. richard and valerie fox news content forbes contributing writer. former rnc communications director doug hank and ask you a political reporter. we are all in agreement with never seen anything like we saw friday in the oval. but now we're onto the aftermath we know zelensky is meeting with a number of european leaders today. "washington post" says is your t european diplomats have acknowledged while could try to match funding if needed, they would have a harder time substituting the full range of weapons had been provided to kyiv specially key capabilities they are lacking such as air defense system and of course epic the whole question cap this move forward a resolution to the conflict without active u.s. involvement? >> it won't be the same. europe was not able to make the up the whole world and it's a

displaying they have to make a decision how far they go along with the u.s. peace that is acceptable to united states in that way it also does not just leave ukraine we have been at many of those oval office meetings between present and foreign leader nothing like this is ever happened before. the world changed this week coupled with the un both the united states cast with russian against european allies on ukraine. the alignment of the united states to change this week the u.s. role in the world has changed were going to look back at this week as epic. support is a third world leader in the office this week it's been a week but hans, how much of this administration sang about putin, about russia, about zelensky's posturing for the sake of negotiating, keeping putin at the table and moving him toward a resolution? >> and diplomacy there is a public part of the private part. what was remarkable about this

week is the private part was public. so yes, with never seen anything like that happen but that's not saying nothing like this ever happen behind closed doors you look to the core of your question is where is he trump administration on finding a final piece still? we know where they want to end up is to have some sort of end of fighting and not security guarantees and access to the minerals. but the details of how they get there is very messy. you can say a lot about donald trump but he always is not very clear on how he wants to go from path a2 path b. where he wants to get, how he wants to do it but he's been almost intentionally ambiguous about his path because that is how he negotiates. i am not in a position to adjudicate on how good of a negotiator donald trump is. a lot of his staff and a lot of his allies that he's the best in the business. shannon: he loves to get a deal done with that in mind while to journal editorial board says this, their headline putin wins the trump/zelensky over off a spectacle but mr. trump does not

want to be the president o'bannon ukraine to vladimir putin with all the bloodshed and damage to u.s. interests that would result. mr. vance will not like to run for president such a world either. they're asking why the vice president jumped in the way he did? obviously that there is a measure of disrespect. cocksure. this is a situation where everyone did not adjudicate themselves the best way possible bibut zelensky should've known e was walking into this i don't think he was ambitious and were saying. but ultimately the conversation that european leaders were have been having over the past couple of weeks haven't focused on what the question is an obviously i saw you this week of the british embassy, click before i was in london. every conversation i had was someone from labor, what is the posture of the united states moving forward? i go back to when keir starmer was in the oval office when the first things he pointed out we have a bust of winston churchill and the oval office space that will fight on the beaches, will fight on the fields we will never surrender. that is not the kind of a

language that we should expect from donald trump and ultimately zelensky has 1 apart that he could play that's a visual of donald trump if he goes ukraine. we saw how that played very, very well for boris johnson the times that he went donald trump understands visual very well some type of reaganesque moment if that's possible in kyiv would be a real strong signal from trump into putin. shannon: i think it would take a lot to get there. i am not sure they are even communicating at this point. but to president trump's point he is having conversation with putin. that was not happened during the biden administration how do you resolve it if you're not at the table with the key players? >> i agreed the sitting president we do need to be talking to everybody at the table with that being said the ideal of donald trump going to kyiv is highly unlikely. i do not played on susan's point the idea of this meeting being historic and unprecedented is actually very important in this moment. what we heard from the european union foreign minister talking

about we need a new world order. we need a new world leader that moment to meet was very, very slick caused paws but is very telling europe is saying if the u.s. is not going to lead this moment somebody we can all agree is our adversary russian putin under russia's control then what other proms are at stake had a illegally do joint military how do we do joint intelligence of the world which unites it it is walking away from alliances i've had from the beginning of their founding franc friends and euros actually telling moment the united states and a shift in the world order a lot of countries are longtime allies think how do we navigate? also with that being said many of our foes including times they had a wheat navigate where the united states is walking back and attempt to say america first as is also america last? because the world is shifting. shannon: is deafly upended the world order but that's his strength these leaders do not know exactly what to expect from president trump and that's part of his negotiation style. it's in the works we talk to

people at the taliban and others who are concerned about what he might actually do. i want to make sure we touch on this though a couple of things for their other things going on here domestically that we are going to run out of money apparently in a couple weeks. there's a massive budget deal on a collision course. hans, where to go on this question at the 2 from 300 are both republican-led. they have serious differences president trump's going to have to get involved it would seem at some point in trying to negotiate this. >> is the level trump had to get involved just to get the first incremental house deal across the line, which is a lot of phone calls and a lot of leverage if there is going to be any big tax and spending a package of the scope the president and their public and allies are going to talk about, the president is going to get much more involved. he wants it. it is central to his agenda pretty wants to deliver tax cuts and where ther there's a sense e the white house the need to have an economic boost and have american starting to feel better about it. so, that is the strategy. how they get there is going to be difficult. the change in the last 48 or 72

hours is there's less talk about a budget reconciliation deal. more talk about a potential government shutdown which i will leave for the rest the table to solve. shannon: doug, you have a resolution? i sent with thas i flip throught shutdowns. they are not fun pop. by the way congress is working throughout them they're not all on vacation or anything. this it comes down to ultimately donald trump's leadership we have very small majority in the house but so small that she cannot have a confirmation vote because they need her vote in the house. obviously small and in the said as well. donald trump is going to have to get the house republicans and senate republicans in line together to move forward. ultimately regardless of a party we know the house and the senate do not agree on things in any normal circumstance this is not a normal circumstance. at least 2 questions what with the doge effort be if we are operating in a shut down? shannon: another thing that made headlines for not the reasons we thought it was going to make headlines potentially is the epstein revelations this week but which were not revelations.

foxnews.com has this headline. conservatives explode a botched epstein document roll out complete disappointment. >> is an utter complete disappointment. i'm not really sure what they were expecting. don't think we will see the epstein files come out for all the reasons even though we should. i do think it's important to top of the government shut down pretty think that's a real thing of god to take it outside the beltway for just a second period when i say that i think about someone like maria alvarez she works in virginia she's working for 10 years helping the american people navigator complicated federal housing system. she is worried about her job right now like mineral many federal employees are but you think about a government shutdown which can make many of them not have money, but to there were about massive firings that could come this week because of elon musk and donald trump were basically pushing the line on federa federal executivr while congress sort of sits and applauds this. this is a real, real concern for a lot of the american people. think there's a lot of blame going on but at this moment i also blame american congress when are you going to say this is our job to allocate?

this is our job for the statutes and determine how they are operated we're going to hold that job where there were democrats or republicans or constitutions given this to us at. shannon: is in, what about this questionable hear more of these personal people who are on the other end of the decisions the republicans risk pushing this too far? >> the problem for president trump is that this is beyond the power of executive order to fund the government. and so the issue with a shutdown maybe not whether it happens i think is more likely than not now. butts, who gets blamed what happens question if republicans control the white house, the house in the senate how do they avoid holding responsibility for the government running out of money? shannon: i think they are blamed even when they're not running the house come the senate and the white house democrats are really good at messaging on the shutdowns. so we will see but hopefully the nexnext and will see a show thae will not be sitting in the midst of a shutdown for thank you very much will see you next week. courtroom drama trump administration facing nearly 100 lawsuits as it aims to impose

sweeping changes to the federal government. as we right now awaits action from the supreme court our legal panel is going to join us to break down the most critical cases, next.

♪ ♪. shannon: since he president began his second term with a flurry of executive action and sweeping cuts of the federal budget and or force that legal challenges against him have been piling up. check it out. a couple of these have already reached to the supreme court and we are waiting on action there. it has not been all defense paid the administration is on offense 2 as it warns is going to take action against states and localities that did not or will not comply with the president's directives legal panel is here

to break down the merits of some of the most critical cases. tom diprete fo former principal deputy assistant u.s. attorney general and manhattan institute senior fellow ilya shapiro. great to hav have both of you w. the d.o.j. on offense. the going after states and localities that are not complying with some of the executive orders weathered sanctuary cities, whether it's something like the president's statement executive order on women's sports. there is outgoing not just incoming in the legal fight. >> they are lawyered up or they are aggressively as he transitioned well. i look states, if you take federal funds are strings attached including civil rights protections, including enforcing federal law. if you do not like it, don't take the money. shannon: was how this play out the president and the governor of maine she said we will see you incorporate looks absolutely and look the trump administration is much more comfortable playing offense and trying to enforce their policy agenda through litigation and having to defend other actions of the federal court. but we sell at the main governor is the first and what's going to

be a long series of blue state governors pushing back against the trump administration agenda. saying we will see it in court and you know the trump team is ready for a legal battle >> have been gearing up a righ at next r countdown, arguments about doge and elon musk whether or not they have the authority to do what they are doing. wall street journal had an opinion piece and said listen congress could solve this they could put a line into the debt reconciliation package of the budget conferring this authority over onto the administration. the piece says the plaintiff claimed mr. trump is violating statutes or exercising authority congress has not granted him. such claims would be made moot if congress gave the president expressed power to take these actions. would it work? >> i think it would work if congress took those actions. but that is a very, very longshot. that congress is going to legislate a lot of these areas. the administration is made clear they are going to move as fast as they can calm as hard as they can on his many fronts as they can. the courts may push back. they may put in guard rails slow

down the administration by think at the end of that it's going to be largely speed bumps the courts are not going to prevent the trump administration from trying to dramatically reduce the size of the federal workforce. shannon: is that mix of wins and loses it. >> there may be some great areas apart most of what doge is doing has authority in the sense there's actually an obama era u.s. digital service that trump remained the u.s. doge service for elon musk in the musketeers are special government employees pursuant to statute they are not just floating out there on some women. they are look at waste, fraud, abuse they cannot shut down the entire department of education out take legislation but they can certainly cancel certain contracts, reevaluate certain things they should not be standing to challenge because the president has until the end the fiscal year to spend the money. shannon: it next on the list that works him at this the firing of federal employees in doing this and a mass e-mail or whatever it is. the office of personnel management here in d.c. has sent out some these e-mails for the

identifying of thousands of probationary employees. a judge has ruled on this. judge william said this on friday no statute anywhere ever has granted opm the office of personnel management the authority to direct the termination and other agencies. he was on trait statutory scheme grants to each agency had the authority to manage their own affairs including the hiring and firing of employees. does that suggest at these agencies it did this on a more individual basis, at least within their silo, could it work? >> i think so. you've not cross the t's comment out of, there could be a bigger challenge her as a proactive trump administration litigation and get some of the civil service rules tying the president's hands. union contracts in the public sector might violate executive control over the executive branch. shannon: it went to get to number 2 an hour it was because tom, this is something you flagged. he did not get a lot of attention but the idea of the

justice department now under attorney general bonnie has said a number of local fire and police departments that were being sued because they were using standardized tests, there's an art when they're having discriminatory results. they were facing legal trouble over that. now come onto the buy demonstration assistant ag kristen clark at the time said discriminatory barriers that did not deny qualified black and female applicants the opportunity to police officers violate civil rights. and undermines public safety efforts these are standardized tests. we are not going to see you over that when the results don't go according to a certain plan. >> looked at some of the clearest possible signals there is a new sheriff in town at the justice department paid civil rights division is walking back a lot of the lawsuits that were filed under biting. to your point they are saying is affect the police department and fire departments are using standardized tests that may result in disparate outcomes did not achieve the diversity results there hoping for. that is not amounted to intentional discrimination for their walk in these lawsuits back throug for their close ther and litigations and let the

police and fire departments make their hiring decisions. were going to focus on different prior to such enforcement of i'm assuming religious civil rights other civil liberties may not has been in force enforced as d by demonstration. so for every demonstration is going to have his own priorities they are going to want there to do list when they get a new ag. >> police department's, fire department and the supreme court or any rule on this like 15 years ago? shannon: i covered i remember very well. >> universities as well if they are engaged in massive resistance or just shuffling around the same as your craft rather than shutting down the civil rights by letting programs, there is going to be [bleeped] to pay. c6 was good to the supreme court number in case we are watching this could literally come at any time for lower court judges or to the trump administration to pay out a lot of money and federal foreign aid. they do not want to do with the administration says give us time we are reviewing a lot of these decisions. chief justice john roberts got appealed all the way to the super important for the pause was and it is a midnight

deadline he said let us look at this before you make a decision. so, we are waiting for that would trump administration file with the supreme court to get the lower court order thrown out they set with the government cannot do is pay arbitrarily determined demands on an arbitrary timeline of the district court's choosing or according to extracontractual rules that the court has devised they are saying this lower court judge cannot force us to pay the money too. >> her trump administration think this lower court judge overstepped his bounds. and look i think the supreme court there's a very good chance are going to come to the rest of their ministration on this. for 2 reasons 1 they may say the district judge infringe on the president's power to conduct foreign affairs the other thing they may do when we saw in the quote is they may say look, it's an arbitrary time of the district judge basically said pay within 72 hours direct the money to go out the u.s. came to the court and said we cannot do it that fast it's a physical impossibility. my sense is the supreme court may be receptive to that and may say even if you have to pay some of these were going to let you do it on the schedule you the ministration are requesting out

the district court had ordered. >> the groups that are sitting on the other side say forcing thousands of american businesses and nonprofits to suspend their work halting disbursements for work already done, work that is been reviewed is the government plunging respondents into financial turmoil they say the monies gotta go out. >> the question isn't whether businesses or anybody else for an organization, ngos are effect to the question is where the president has authority and discretion to review the contracts it is pretty clear that he does. most of what doge is doing has not seen, she spent this, we are not going to do it. they are seeing this particular thing we do not like. ultimately the supreme court for john roberts to jump in alone is a big deal. shannon: it is will stand by and let you know he makes a decision. thank you so much for letting us your expertise. okay this make a novel case lands at the supreme court. mexico is suing several us-based gun manufacturers think they are to blame for rolling violence south of the border paid the

company say they produce a lawful product they are not responsible for mexico's crime crisis. smith & wesson, beretta, occult, block, all among the defendants in a 10 billion-dollar lawsuit filed by mexico. alleging these u.s. companies and knowingly allowed guns to end up in the hands of dangerous cartel members in mexico who then use them to terrorize and kill. larry keenan senior vice president and general counsel for the national shooting sports foundation. >> you know what mexico says sad there were notifications there were they have some form of notice. >> generalized is not proximate cause. there's no legal duty. baseball bat manufacturers know some of their products will be misused, misused in assaults. knife manufacturers some of

their products will be misused to stab people. that is not give rise to liability. shannon: what happens at the u.s. supreme court after hearing arguments next week allows mexico to pursue a legal remedy in the u.s. court system? gun rights advocates are worried. >> of mean the destruction of the second amendment in the united states. it would bankrupt the industry projects congress passed a protection of lawful commerce and arms act in 2005 to prevent gun companies are being held liable for misuse of their products. but, mexico argue the law provides no protection for businesses engaged in unlawful commerce and arms and alleges that is what that manufacturers have been doing by selling to dealers mexico claims the manufacturers knew were preferred by the cartels. a group of blue state attorneys general is backing mexico saying the law is meant only to shield blameless manufacturers and sellers it does not equate to a

blanket absolute immunity against any and all liability. another coalition led by republican attorney austin knutson argues it's not the manufacturers fault that gun crime is raging out of control in mexico it points the finger elsewhere. >> is happening primarily because we provide a lot of firearms to the mexican government. the mexican army a lot of those guns go missing and end up in the cartels hands. this is a mexico problem not an american problem. specifics of the justices think that case is scheduled for an hour-long argument on tuesday with a decision due by the end of june. cap next will take you live to rome for an update on pope francis as he struggles to overcome a life-threatening health crisis. that is next

♪ shannon: pope francis is restinged the as he undergoes recent for double pneumonia. keefe religion correspondent lauren green is in rome with more p. sounds like he's tweeting or, lauren. >> reporter: he's tweeting a little wit. a lot of it is a renext of his angeles prayer that he released earlier today, but pope francis is slowly improving. friday's rests pa story crisis appears to be an isolated event about from which he recovered rather quickly. the the vatican, the latest is that he had a good night, he woke up. he had breakfast and continued to read newspapers as always.

doctors at gemelli hospital continue to treat the 88-year-old pope for double pneumonia, alternating between two types of oxygen therapy, air through a nose tube and a more intense mechanic mechanic almas ifing. the vat khan says the pope is able to walk with some assistance. today marks the third sunday the pope has not delivered his angeles prayer in person. he released it in writing earlier today where, he thanked doctors and staff for their attentive prayer and the faithful for their prayers saying it is precisely in these moments that we learn even more to trust in the lord. last night the continuing rosary vigil, this time inside if st. peter's basilica because of the rain. while the pope continues to conduct vatican business from the hospital, it hasn't stopped the rumor mill from speculating he could resign sign if his april health becomes an obstacle.

one papal historian rejects that e a narrow. >> he's spoken various times about this. he's saying -- [inaudible] it's really important in a world where there's a kind of cult -- [inaudible] for youth where. here in the church we say, no, there is a mission which god gives you which is for life. >> reporter: doctors say the pope's prognosis is still guarded, that that he is till not out of danger. shannon? shannon: lauren, thank you very much for the update. my new episode of living the bream drops today, i talk with joel rosenberg about a his latest book. check it out wherever you like to get your podcasts, and don't forget, potential coverage of the president's joint address to congress on tuesday. have a wonderful week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪