>> he's spoken various times about this. he's saying -- [inaudible] it's really important in a world where there's a kind of cult -- [inaudible] for youth where. here in the church we say, no, there is a mission which god gives you which is for life. >> reporter: doctors say the pope's prognosis is still guarded, that that he is till not out of danger. shannon? shannon: lauren, thank you very much for the update. my new episode of living the bream drops today, i talk with joel rosenberg about a his latest book. check it out wherever you like to get your podcasts, and don't forget, potential coverage of the president's joint address to congress on tuesday. have a wonderful week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ ♪

trey: good evening and thank you for joining us. i'm trey gowdy and it's sunday night in america. america is a country of second chances and alice plea johnson is prove of that. she captured our attention when president trump first commuted her sentence and then later issued her a pardon in his first term. >> she has been just so outstanding and i'm so proud of you, and we're giving alice a full pardon, and that means you can do whatever you want in life and just keep doing the great job you're doing. trey: how do we balance redemption and mercy and johnson is now the pardon czar. what is she looking for as she searches for others that might be worthy of a second chance? welcome to you, ms. johnson. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me on tonight. taylor: yes, ma'am, all right. tell me what you'd be looking

for and determining whether or not someone would be worthy of a pardon or commutation of their sentence? >> first thing is do they pose a safety risk to the community? i look at the sentence length to see if they really have paid enough retribution. i look at how they rehabilitate it and one of the very important things that i look for, is there a plan for when they come out and they can be gainfully employeed and allowing myself to make sure they're set up for success so those are the things that i really look for rehabilitation. that's key. trey: i think you put your finger on really the most important factors including is there plan in assistance when that person transitions from a really different life.

if someone has not been inside of a prison, it's a very different life and them to be expected to get a job and transportation, there has to be help. a commutation gets you out of prison. a pardon wipes the slate clean like it never happened. so how do you weigh and ball languages which is appropriate? so the president has commuted some sentences and he has issued pardons. how would you recommend distinguishing between the two? >> if someone is in prison, i would distinguish that person is more than likely going to receive a commutation and the sentence has been reduced from president trump. he's made sure that those sentences are reduced don't mean that you go from life to 30 years. unlike some of the sentences that president biden received a lot of credit for is that he commuted all these sentences, but most of those people are still in prison.

he reduced them but didn't really restore any families. president trump commuted sentences and families were restored so i got to look for those who are still in prison and nose cases are ab chutely terrible those are not fed anymore and those individuals worthy of a pardon and people that have made good use of their going for them in the communities and look at them with some 5, 10, 20 years and they still don't have their life restored and we're going to be those that are receiving pardons and we'll look at what they've done for the line. trey: you tell me, i don't think

mandatory minimum prison sentences make any sense for nonviolent crimes and don't make sense in drug cases. i think they make sense when it comes to violent crime and i draw a distinction between drug cases or other nonviolent crimes and going to seriously hurt or sexual assault or kill others and in my mind i draw distinction for this too. >> we're on the same page and there is a distinction and you don't want to be going for them and someone gaining their freedom and many are going to be set free from the prison system anyway. i will only be looking at those who pose no risk and mandatory minimums is one of the worst things that could have happened in the nation and caused mass incarceration and the united states only accounts for about six% of the world population and we incarcerate 25% of the

world. something about that, trey, is wrong. others look to that and you would know a country as a famous leader said how they treat the least and those who are in prison or in their jails and we are just going to put a rubber stamp on people like mandatory minimum sentencing and as you know, that happened to me. i spent right at 22 years in prison as a first time nonviolent offender, i was a contributor to our community and had a good job and to my life flipped upside down, but i never had a criminal mind. when i went to prison, i was a benefit to those who were in prison. i was a mentor, i put together -- i'm going to say creteed plays to get women involved and applause and sat with women on suicide watch and hospice volunteer and hours in prison serve ago life sentence

and executed sentence of death because that's what a life sentence s. i still found a way to continue to live life and contribute to the prison community and i've been home and advocate and fight for those who deserve a sec chance and called up -- caught up in our criminal justice system and don't call it justice because there's too much injustice right now. there's also those that have been politically targeted and reason they're there is because for reasons that don't even make any sense to normal person, i would find those cases and the president entrusted me with this task and i ensure i'll not let him down. trey: i was not known there's -- i will let it known i was a very liked prosecutor back in the day

and mandatory minimum drug cases and just dent make any sense to me. violent crime that makes sense, nonviolent does not. the best of luck to you as you seek to see who is worthy of a second chance and congratulations on making such incredible use of the second chance that president trump gave you. >> thank you, trey. i really appreciate you for having me on tonight. trey: san francisco radio station revealed information about undercover ice agents including vehicle descriptions. that's how officers get killed. that's how officers get shot. that's why we have no knock warrants so there's not a gun on the other side of a search warrant. who owns these radio stations? who thought it was a good idea to out undercover cops? attention is focussed on george soros and involved in the focus of 200 radio stations and 40 markets towards the biden administration and that move caught the attention of the

incoming fec chair and con drum commissional tour going for them to mas kansas city chiefs raid his prosecutor and going to ensure no one is even arrested and endangers cops in the process. the chair of the republican study and committee congressman pfluger. welcome, mr. chairman. tell us what you learned about soros and the mentors of the radio stations? >> trey, thanks for having me. at the end of the day it's about making sure we don't have suppression and censorship of media that we act in a fair way and in is why congress is interested in september of last year and going to see soros purchase 200 radio stations and going for them and fast tracked by the biden administration with

the fair trade issues and this flies in the face of that and and going for the republican study and the largest and oldest and most influential policy organization going on capitol hill and he explained to us why he was doing what he was doing and there's a long record throughout the last election season whether it was 60 minutes or saturday night live and doctor that shows you there was not fairness and the purchase of these 200 stations needs to be investigated and i'm so proud he's been standing in the gap for the last couple of years as loan conservative view and voice and we can get to the truth and get to the bottom of what happened. >> in general going for considerable control and going for them and advocate and trying to get a read or listen to show

and should there be a limit on what i can say >> with the rules in place now and there's limits and caps and fec acted with that mindset for decades. but what we saw in the face of that and not fair for 200 radio stations and purchases agreed to just 60 days prior to the election and i think we can have that discussion and is the structure good or not good and going to meet the needs of the media for the approval of fec and during the election season and i think it's what everyone was worried about. trey: i was talking to speaker mccarthy the other day and he was bragging on you and telling me what a smart colleague you were to him and said go ahead

and ask him this question, because it might be a tough one. with every freedom to me come as responsibility and it's unconscionable and going for them and in my lifetime and radio stations warn their listeners about speed check points that are out there or dui check points that are out there and i'm trying to find a moral line. it risked their lives going for them with a speed trap, dui check point and reasonable difference and it's going for them. >> absolutely absurd and that's right. and that's the right word and this radio station in san francisco that was live broadcasting the location of ice agents going for them and illegal immigrants many of whom that were associated and affiliated with gang gangs and cartels and other bad actors and

going for them and absolutely no room for any sort of media outlet to give away undercover agents and geographic location and putting them further at risk and putting them in danger. i applaud chairman carr for taking the action and aggressive action getting to the bottom of this matter. trey: sr. rows never too -- soros never too terribly concerned about pub lib safety and doesn't appear like it. august pfluger from the great state of texas, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you, trey. trey: still ahead, what's going on between u.s. and ukraine after animated meeting between president trump and president zelenskyy. fox news contributor kim strassel joining us on if there's been a shift in american foreign policy and whether this is all to get russia back to the bargaining table next on sunday

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>> this war would have been over in three weeks. >> in three days. from putin. in two weeks of course he has. >> it'll be a very hard thing to do business like this. >> just say thank you. accept there's disagreements and let's litigate the disagreements rather than try to fight it out in front of the american media when you're wrong. trey: welcome back to sunday night in america and the relationship between u.s. and ukraine has been shall we say chilly. they've voted against a resolution blaming russia for the war and rare the u.s. votes with north korea, russia, sudan

and belarus and they offered a resolution calling for end of fighting but without a signing can yo can ysign culpability to who started the war. are they trying to end a war that started on biden's watch. >> he's a very smart guy, he's a very cunning person, but i dealt with some people that i've dealt with some really bad people. he had no intention in my opinion of settling this war. evidence of infection think he wanted the whole thing. when i got elected, we spoke and i think we're going to have a deal. trey: coming down is the union and russia is a shell of what it used to be and will it stay that way? going for them to start with the basics and starting with north korea and against nato ally on

one hand and u.s. and ukraine trying to negotiate a deal and may provide ukraine the protection it needs. >> well, this is how donald trump does business, trey. and great to be here by the way. one thing i think it's a disgrace that this was how we voted in the un. and t not a shining moment in north korean history and going to do that as well and it wasn't really their desire to do so and it's enormous pressure for them and it's on the line and going for them with assistant to the u.s. is giving israel and i can see them succumbing to pressure and the problem here is that it's going to be offending russia and going to not choose a side here and he is on the side of the world peace and he talks

about ronald reagan and you could and absolutely assign blame and culpability going for them to blame here sad herrera putin and -- vladamir putin and aggression going on for the decade and you can still talk and reagan went out and talked about it and along the times america maintained diplomatic relationship with russia and managing them to do things and ultimately won the overall victory and i don't though that's possible in this environment as well too. trey: holding this back and zelenskyy not saying thank you enough and putin poisoning enemies and taking u.s. citizens hostage and going to mislead american voters and not going to apologize for that and >> clear

expectation from the white house and going to bend the knee and kiss the ring and going to have zelenskyy going for anytime roush times and going for them and congress has continually done it and going to play here and it's much deeper issues and not really going to just have gratitude and that's going to become a bit of a an excuse and there's a deep reluctance and i get it among ukraine going to accept a deal in which there's no assurances that russia isn't going to do this and russia repeatedly done and repeatedly broken its prosperities and i appreciate donald trump's point that well, they don't want to

mess with him and respect him and won't make a move when he's in office, true. maybe, maybe that is actually true but donald trump is not going to be in office forever. three years from now, four years from now. what is ukraine left with to help make sure that russia doesn't come and take yet more of it. trey: is there any chance, kim, at all that the u.s. says good luck and let europe defend ukraine and does the same thing go for taiwan and china? >> i worry about this because, look, when we talk about russia's aggression and it's territorial conquest and taking of ukraine, that is just the beginning of its desire. vladamir putin always wanted to reassemble that former evil empire and, you know, other european countries are very aware of that situation and we do see positive movement in europe of attempting or at least discussing seriously for the

first time in a long time about rearming and being more prepared. but i do not see them necessarily being capable of stopping that threat without the united states engagement and that's been the case and the united states has a role in this. trey: yeah, when you're the most powerful country in the world you have a responsibility to stick up for those that can't stick up for themselves. kim strassel, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you. trey: still ahead, house threaded the needle and passed a budget resolution. ways and means member nicole malliotakis tells us how they

back to sunday night in america. trey: the house passed 117-215 and last minute for president trump skin creasing funding for the border and national defense in tax cuts and aiming to cut $2 trillion in spending and it's a big win for speaker mike johnson and gop conference and they've navigated a narrow majority and different opinions

and now the house and senate will work out their differences and and two bills versus one and how will they reconcile so they can proceed with reconciliation. let's find out? . nicole malliotakis joining us now. congresswoman, first, how did you get this done and margin is so thin and the conference is not a monolith and how did you pull it off? >> well, hats off to speaker johnson and the leadership team as well as chairman guthrie who is the chairman of the energy and commerce committee and did an amazing job working with all of us and working through some of our concerns and making sure that we received assurances particularly related to savings and medicaid space and not affecting our seniors and disabled and children with disabilities and hospitals and lowering floor on the map which

for example new york state gets reimbursed 50% currentsly and so these were all real concerns that we've had and they worked through it and we were able to come up with a product that is a frame work, of course. there's no specific details in there, but it is a frame work and a blueprint that allows us to move this process forward to implement president trump's agenda that includes not only a savings that will put our country back on a responsible, fiscal track and start paying down that $37 trillion in debt. that implements some of the tax cuts and savings going to the middle class families we represent. they'll be priors in mind and taxes on tipped workers and taxes on senior citizens and repatriates manufacturing here in the united states and particularly for supply chains like pharmaceuticals.

helping middle class families stay in their homes. trey: what do you think will be the hardest part of working this out with the senate? >> failure is not an option and got to be worked out. going for the sticking point and what that might be. >> going to be here speaking to some of last minute members that are holding back their votes and that's going to be senate returning a bill to us and ogoing for them and sticking with them in the house and senate and they'll probably be around with various tax cuts and the senate would be liking to see that tax cuts and going for them to made perp nathanial hackette and going for them and it's like myself and we didn't have enough instruction and top line for the economy committee to make the tax cuts herman

nathanial hackette and step up and sign the priorities that are critically important for the middle class families we expect and we'll have to see how that all comes together and going to see some other things that will be difference in them and the first product and the senate is less concerned about making big cuts and some of the house members are and we have some members who really wanted to make broad cuts, which concerned some of us because we didn't know where the cuts were going to come from. we have to make sure that we're not throwing out the baby with the bath water and we want to cut down on fraud and going to see them with their medicaid system run efficiently and it's not helping the people that deserve and are eligible for it, they're senior citizens and people with disabilities and most vulnerable citizens and going for them to preserve that and going for a large part of

the broad commitments and we don't want to see these unintended consequences and we have to do this in a very thoughtful deliberate american and i like to say with a scalpel and going for a side hammer and we'll come together and going for them and solution moving into the details and legislative writing that will spell out where everything is coming from and benefits of the american people will be and it's an agreement in line for them coming to energy policy, jump starting our domestic energy production once again and when it cops to securing our borders and i don't imagine those two pieces giving anybody a heart ache. trey: it was nonnegotiable and nicole malliotakis, thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you. trey: doge is forging ahead with

cuts to spending and work force. cutting is never easy. spending is more popular than slashing and some gop lawmakers are hearing from constituents even as some trump voters faced the knife. here's the president with elon musk. >> going for them and the deficit and can't sustain the country and going for $2 trillion and this going to continue thanksgiving the reason i'm here. going for them and created that next to impossible to even pair it done. that's why you're seeing so many court challenges but it's also how you got $36 trillion in

debt. taylor riggs co-host of the big money show joining us now. welcome, taylor. cutting is hard and not without pain. even trump voters that may be losing their jobs. >> you voted for this and remember, he is right. trey, republicans have been screaming about them with the debt and deficit for 20 years and it's never come to true wigs and going to think we're -- fruition and i would say it's a $36 trillion in debt and no longer crying wolf much the issue is that i love that you played elon musk clip and it is now or never. paying interest on the debt and it's $1 trillion in more of the defense budget every year and you have to do something that . is the beginning of the end of the empire.

it is a career killer and going for them and money and we're drinking the punch and going for them and now they want to take that punch bowl away and going to have the district in your red neighborhood and i'm helpful that she's going for republicans in this still understanding the urgency going for them and it's in the worried about them saying never mind, it's full-timely heading home and never mind just keep the party going and getting reelected and i'm hopeful but cautious at the same time. trey: hearing from the employee and asking you about it on the

other side. >> those are not real jobs going for federal employees not deserving their job or jobs. trey: members of congress or federal employees and i know their staffs are and committee staffs are and going for ice agents and military is everything on the table including member salaries and staff? that might be a place that elon musk decides to cut. >> i know, you know, one thing i love about elon musk is he came into x and quite literally posted himself throwing out the kitchen sink. that's more of a reality than doge and they're going to make

mistakes and going to try and also be heading going for them to make mistakes. trey: members of congresses are federal employees and i understand the whole federal employees don't work thing and thank you for helping me and joining me on a sunday night. >> my pleasure. trey: take care. up next, so called san antonio care city mayors hauled to the principal's office to explain why they prioritize unlawful immigrants over american citizens. james comer will chair that

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>> police commissioner of boston, you said you'd double down on not helping law enforcement office of ice. i'm coming to boston and bringing hell with me. you're not a police commissioner. take that badge off and put it in the desk drawer because you became a politician and forgot what it's like to be a cop. trey: welcome back to sunday night in america. tom homan quoting wyatt earpp and blue cities and states going to follow the law and the people's republic of boston has not figured out the supremacy

clause. >> i will say it's pretty clueless for someone to insalt the police commissioner and going for them and going for them on the role and going for them which is amazing for the police department and speaking for themselves. trey: innocent people being killed, raped, robbed and assaulted by people entering the country illegally and committed additional crimes often violent. what possible justification exists for that and going for them and one of the blue city mayors going to be talking about the colors at end of their incarceration for murder and rape. going for them to be raped or robbed or murdered before these blue city mayors are okay with deportation. the house oversight committee will be asking those questions and more this week. chairman james comer joins us

now. welcome, chairman. i assume the mayors would be okay with deporting people after they serve sentiments for rape or robbery or murder and why not be okay for deporting them before americans are victimized? jowski trey, this will be a opportunity for the national audience and mayors in defiance of federal law and been in defiance of president trump and tom homan's orders going for them and going to file the law and going for the questions going for them and it's about to comply for federal law going to harbor and going for them and going to continue to operate and

sanctuary cities and going for them and going for them coming to enforcing federal laws. trey: tom homan does not need to ask permission to enforce federal laws and he doesn't need to get them for what they're asking for. >> now, unfortunately he probably will need cooperation from local law enforcement at times and i think they've had a couple of bad experiences already and some of these blue cities where you've got if not the mayors at least their senior staff that are card carrying liberals that are wanting to defy federal law and want to continue to harbor the most criminal illegals that are over here and it's not going to stand. we have a lot of questions in addition to whether or not these mayors will continue to break the law and we've got questions

going to communicate with mayorkas and former biden administration and are they knowledgeable about the ngos and how they're funding many of those housing complexes and paying for the expensive hotel stays and signing these people up for medicaid and these are all significant questions that as we struggle to get a budget with a president who is serious about cutting spending, what we're trying to get ahold of this out of control medicaid spending and we just have so many questions for these mayors and arrogant and three of the four mayors going to be proclaiming their defiance of federal law. trey: it's always been a bit rambunctious and remind members there's going to be them recently and things got a little bit animated and they forgot who

held the gavel going for you to expect the other side disobeying federal detainers and immigration laws and protecting violent criminals and i can't wait to hear the explanation for that. the two tier system of justice and going for the retches and that's going for -- republicans and democrats are excluded from crimes like tax evasion going for the past four years to have a president going for the open border that welcomed illegal criminals into the united states in the cities and paying for their transportation and paid for their housing and paying for their free healthcare in the

form of medicaid and now the people have spoken and the people have said we want a secure boarder and thankfully now because of president trump we have a secure border. the next step is deporting the most criminal illegals who are over here and that's where these mayors thus far have been obstructionist and been very vocal about the fact that they're not going to comply with tom homan and new laws of the country. trey: you get to rest and get your gavel hand ready to go because it is going to be quite a hearing and i'll be watching and i'm sure lots of other people will too. best of luck to you and we'll have you back on real soon. thank you for joining us. take care. and you call the shots next on sunday night i introducing new eroxon gel, the first fda-cleared ed treatment available without a prescription.

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trey: welcome back to sunday night in america. this week we have first up cinderella from ohio and she ps to know why recent lawsuits against doge have -- and the president are heard immediately in court when lawsuits in the private sector are not heard for years sometimes and i want you to imagine the high school championship basketball game set for tomorrow night and the one championship game and you miss it and it's gone forever and

imagine an inmate for the execute for them and going for last minnesota apeel to circuit court and you can't hear that case tomorrow and inmate will be dead and cases with circumstances where a party is seek ago temporary restraining order and they have strict requirements that must be met and going for them and immediate harm and no other avenue for redress and victim not made whole with money and temporary straining order is just that, temporary. full adjudication based on merits and a tro is issued and doesn't mean the party prevails in the end. make the inmate is put to death after all and maybe the player is found eligible and it's just a pause. there can then be a full trial. next they want to know where cases take so long to go to trial. could be a number of reasons and let's start with the most common, the distance between proxima probable cause, can

you need for arrest and beyond a reasonable doubt which is needed for a conviction. prosecutedders need to review the evidence and if you witness this, ask for more testing to be done and one of the great myths is that prosecutors show up on trial date going for them on day one and that takes time and the other reason is the defense benefits from time. gnome reigns leadings fade and cases fall from the public eye and witnesses move and victims lose hope. sometimes the delay is warranted and if it's a case with thousands of documents or hundreds of witnesses, it takes time to get up to speed. lastly sarah from georgia wants to know how you keep up with all the news from today? i read everything i can get my

ands on and cross exam what i can read and bias is not only what's written but written about. the media chooses which stories to cover and then decides which spin to put on them and it's reading it all and while you're reading and asking questions about the sources and incredit card and will corroboration and going for them to be skeptical what i read and cross examine in my own mind and e-mail us if you have a question and thank you for spend part of your sunday with us. hope you have a great week ahead. till next week, find us on the trey gowdy podcast. good night from sout